chambers. one, nonrepetition of mistakes and the other one nonperfection. the second one i met every day, but the nonreputation of mistakes is important. i don't like this at all for many reasons, least of which is -- i learned more from my failures instead of successes, a good butt kicking is a way. >> harris: more trigger than feedback. "america reports" now. >> today i am directing our house committee to open a formal impeachment inquiry into president joe biden. i would encourage the president and his team to fully cooperate. we will go wherever the evidence takes us. >> john: house speaker kevin mccarthy making it official that he has green-lit an impeachment inquiry into president biden. historic announcement could see the president's finances put front and center during the 2024 campaign. hello, i'm john roberts in

washington. welcome to tuesday. >> sandra: here we go, john. sandra smith in new york. this is "america reports." earliered to, mccarthy said republicans have exposed a culture of corruption in the biden family and impeachment inquiry will allow the investigators to uncover bank records and potentially charge the president with wrongdoing. >> john: the white house maintains the probe is political and that republicans have failed to show the president personally benefitted from his son hunter's foreign business deals or abused his power to influence them. >> sandra: complete coverage begins now. former secretary of state mike pompeo is standing by. first, senior congressional correspondent chad pergram is live on capitol hill. you gave us the head's up on this even happening, it's happened now, heard from mccarthy earlier, where does this inquiry go from here, chad. >> good afternoon. the question is what is different now from what the house had been doing. house speaker kevin mccarthy lacks the votes to start an official impeachment inquiry so three house committees are

probing impeachment without a vote. >> it appears that the president's family has been offered special treatment by biden's own administration. these are allegations of abuse of power, obstruction, and corruption. and they warrant further investigation by the house of representatives. >> gop georgia representative marjorie taylor green said she would not vote to fund the government unless the house started an impeachment investigation. 18 house republicans represent districts carried by president biden. and some republicans are not willing to go down that impeachment road. green disagrees. >> it's simple. it doesn't hurt them at all. they are doing a great job for their districts, it's not a political impeachment inquiry, so they have nothing to be concerned about. it's the right thing for us to do to go after corruption. >> white house spokesman ian sams says no evidence of

wrongdoing by the president, calls it red meat for the wing. they think it will backfire on the gop. >> chaos caucus, crazy maga republicans in the chaos caucus. we have things to do, we have a government to run, and here they go down a rabbit hole once again. it is just extreme chaos in the chaos caucus. >> republicans are divided on impeachment, warren davidson of ohio believes there's lots to explore with biden family shell companies. presidential candidate chris christie says there is not enough evidence to start an impeachment investigation. back to you. >> sandra: chad pergram live on the hill, thank you. john. >> john: let's bring in former secretary of state mike pompeo, also a fox news contributor. mr. secretary, a lot to talk about, particularly with this iran deal announced yesterday, but first of all, your take on the opening of these three impeachment inquiries in these

committees. >> well, john, sandra, great to be with you. it makes perfect sense as the next reasonable step to begin the inquiry to find the facts to find out what happened, where the resources went, why there were shell company, why the then vice president was on the phone with his son just talking about the weather. john, i chuckle, we know that's not the case. the vice president surely knew that wasn't the case. he knew why he was getting on the phone and to answer the questions, i think the inquiry makes perfect sense for the house of representatives, hope they take it seriously, get to the bottom of it and report out the findings so the american people can see what vice president biden did on behalf of hunter. >> john: james comer has filed an inquiry letter with antony blinken, the secretary of state, requesting some information about u.s. policy on ukraine while joe biden was vice president. he wrote in part, the committee seeks information from the u.s. department of state to provide

context for certain sudden foreign policy changes that occurred while joe biden was vice president, particularly regarding ukraine while then vice president biden's son served on the board of directors of a company investigated for corruption. the committee requests information from the state department regarding then the vice president's actions and decisions relating to ukraine. this is all about the firing of viktor shokin, the prosecutor general in ukraine. you ever pick up anything on this? >> well, we know what the vice president said, john. the vice president has claimed credit for the firing of this special prosecutor. we also know, i was the secretary of state when we had the so-called perfect phone call that the democrats impeached over president trump over. let's get to the bottom, find the facts out, the state department will provide the information that representative comer is requesting. i think those are very reasonable requests and the state department ought to be able to accommodate them

readily. >> john: move on to the iran deal announced yesterday. american hostages swapped for iranian prisoners, $6 billion in iranian funds held up by south korea released back to iran. not like in 2013 when the obama administration gave american taxpayer money to iran. this is their money. but critics still say this is rewarding iran for bad behavior. might just encourage them to keep doing this. what do you say? >> john, this is far worse than what happened in 2013, the amount of money exchanged is even greater, $6 billion -- that's a billion plus per hostage. we want every one of these families home. any american held anywhere, we want them back. i worked my tail off when i was the secretary of state to bring americans home but we did it differently. you have set the price for taking the next american hostage, write it down, it will happen again. not only the iranians, but the north koreans, russians, they

will pay to get people back and they are broke nations and it's a bad business model, bad for america and doing it at a time the iranians are underwriting the russian effort to kill ukrainian kids, civilians, to give them $6 billion, the aring laest state sponsor of terror as ransom is horrible policy. this is the wrong way to go about it because it will only incentivize further taking of americans. >> john: and under the terms of the deal, the funds are supposed to be administered qatar and only used for humanitarian purposes. but the iranian president seemed to suggest it's our money, we'll do what we want. the money belongs to the iranian people, the government, so the islamic republic of iran will decide what to do with this money. we have a big suspicion what they did with the american money they got in 2013, a lot of it went to the malign influence in the region and elsewhere around the world.

what do you think they will do with this money, it's $6 billion. >> john, we know exactly what they'll do. they'll do what he said, what they damn well pleased with it. funding, building out the nuclear program this administration has allowed to continue to be built out in a way they are on the cusp of being a nuclear capable state. use it to put our friend and ally israel at risk. we know where it's going to go, it's -- to the extent they spent a dollar on healthcare or the needs of their own people, this dollar will go to that and another dollar to fund terror around the world. i don't understand it for the life of me, john. >> john: mike pompeo, former secretary of state, always good for your take on things. no shortage of controversy surrounding this deal, very much like the last one, sandra. >> sandra: no kidding, and a lot more coming up on that when

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>> sandra: fda panel making a stunning finding that a key ingredient in many over-the-counter cold and allergy medications does not work. unanimous vote among the panel may force companies to pull their drugs from the shelves and reformulate their products. drugs that contain the ingredient generated almost $1.8 billion in sales last year alone. we called dr. nesheiwat, she jumped on the phone with us. joining us now. this seems like a very big deal. this is medicines that we all know and so many of our loved ones may take on a regular basis, including advil sinus, benadryl, robitussin, will the medicines disappear from the store shelves? >> yes, so, the concern is that it may lose the listing of safe and effective, and if it does lose that, it can be removed

from the shelves. this decongestant, alpha constrictor medicine, it can constrict your blood vessels, therefore supposedly helping with the symptoms of congestion and sinus pain and pressure and that sort of thing, it's been around for many years, we use it a lot especially during the viral season, a runny nose and cough and congestion, but concern it's not as effective and it has side effects like increased blood pressure, increased risk of seizures, palpations of the heart and dangerous if you mix it with other medication. but, don't worry, sandra, there are other alternatives to this medicine. we do need to pay attention to the potential side effects and if it's not as effective, let's make changes. >> john: this is phenalefferine,

i have long found it did not have any effect for me and what really worked was what we around our house called the walter wh white, it's on the market for decades. how did they suddenly find out it probably doesn't work? >> exactly. there are other more medications out there on the market with black box warnings. so you know, it's just one of those things that when they look, sometimes they reevaluate the medications and look at the potential side effects of palpations and seizures, increased risk of blood pressure which leads to stroke, that rings a bell and say ok, we need to make changes. so they are now, you know, questioning is this going to be effective. the studies they found was very little of the chemical actually makes it to the sinuses. but you can use other things, you know, like nasal mist

sprays, other safer types of sprays you can use. >> sandra: and dr. nesheiwat, you are always good about that, offering alternatives to people. we have been showing the sudafed, and vicks, and tylenol sinus, half the pharmacy shelves would be affected by this. seems like a big development, we'll see where it all goes. thanks for jumping on the phone with us. >> my pleasure, have a good one, guys. >> we do feel like we have the suspect contained in an area. we are putting all of our resources on it, all of our assets are being deployed and i know this is a moment of deep worry and anxiety all across pennsylvania, here in chester

county, particularly in this neighborhood. >> john: pennsylvania police say they widened the search area for the escaped murderer on the run nearly two weeks. they warn danelo cavalcante is extremely dangerous and now is armed with a rifle. nate foy live in east nantmeal with the latest. how close are police to catching this fugitive? they didn't seem close at all yesterday. >> it's a very hard question to answer, john. good news and bad news. today is a defined search perimeter, yesterday there was no defined perimeter. that's the good. the bad is he's now armed with a rifle after breaking into a garage within the search perimeter and stealing a ..22 caliber rifle with a flashlight and scope attached to it. the homeowner shot at cavalcante multiple times but authorities have no reason to believe he's injured. take a look at the video from over the search perimeter right

now, as over 500 law enforcement officers are searchingp the surrounding rural area. pennsylvania state police are joined by multiple federal agencies, including the fbi, border patrol, u.s. marshals and the atf. using helicopters, dogs and ground personnel. the search area is roughly three square miles. but remember, cavalcante breached two search perimeter south of here but this time, john, he has a gun. >> we consider him desperate, we consider him dangerous, all this does is confirm for us that he has a weapon. he's killed two people previously, i would suspect he's desperate enough to use that weapon. >> john, near the home where cavalcante stole the rifle, troopers found the shirt and sweatshirt he's seen wearing here. he was last seen shirtless with blue pants and carrying that .22 caliber rifle. authorities are urging all people in or near the search zone to lock all homes, all

garages and car doors. cavalcante is desperate. he stole a pair of boots from a porch, so whether it be something as small as that or a hiding spot, a car or food, authorities do not want to give him anymore opportunities. where cavalcante dumped the stolen van that helped him breach the previous search perimeter is about 300 yards down this way, so troopers now believe since he dumped that van in this neighborhood, that he has been close to where we are right now throughout the past few days. back to you. >> john: baffling where he might be hiding. nate foy on the story for us, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: ok. let's bring in former fbi special agent nicole parker. thank you so much for joining us. it is amazing when you look at that search area and the number of sightings since his escape, we added one to this map that we can put up on the screen, since we showed it to our viewers yesterday, obviously there was a sighting last night. but this was a bit of the newser this morning on cavalcante being

armed. i want to get your reaction here. >> i think he is just trying to survive and avoid being captured right now. we have considered him dangerous from the very start. it changes nothing. we have always considered him to be a risk. we just now absolutely know he has a weapon. >> sandra: that would tell you he's going to get pretty desperate, and that means very dangerous, nicole. how do you think this is going so far? >> cavalcante is extremely brazen, defiant, and he is desperate. he is aggressive. he has taken very risky steps as a fugitive. he talked through the ring door bells, the transportation mode, stole a fan, risky. burglarized homes, now stolen a rifle. what this indicates to investigators, he has no limits. >> sandra: nicole, if you could stand by quickly, we are getting an update from the state department on the iran prisoner swap deal.

let's listen here. >> the $6 billion -- >> i am aware of it, i know the answer. fact of the matter is no one in the administration has spoken on the record on this. >> exactly, why i want to explain it. >> i want to get into the nsc comments last night. >> $6 billion held in these funds, the previous administration set up these accounts or allowed the accounts to be set up so countries could purchase iranian oil. the money would then go into the accounts. iran has always been able under the regime set up by the previous administration to access the funds in the accounts and other places saw them spend down the funds in these accounts, funds -- accounts set up for purchases of oil, for example, from -- in india or brazil. and under the briefs administration were spent down with no restrictions at all. when this administration took office we put restrictions on these accounts to ensure that they could only be used for humanitarian purposes. however, a number of banks,

despite the assurances we had given, did not want to a -- did not want to participate in transactions related to the accounts so it was necessary to, for the secretary to make these waivers to allow the transfer of money from these accounts through a bank account in europe, ultimately to qatar. >> why did it take so long for you guys to come around deciding ok, this is not going to happen, unless we actually do the waivers. >> i would say it's been a complicated process from the beginning. as you can imagine, dealing with all the moving pieces and dealing with moving this money from accounts in korea, where it had to be converted into euros, ultimately to a supervised account in qatar. >> right. but if, as you say, under the previous administration, i'm going to take a little bit of issue with that momentarily, but if as you say iran was able to spend down money in similar accounts that have been set up

in brazil and india, why were there not the same concerns by -- from banks? >> in the previous administration -- i'm not going to speak to why banks were willing to participate. we did make a change where we made clear, the funds in the account could only be used for humanitarian purposes. >> are you suggesting the previous administration allowed iran to spend down money in the restricted accounts for nefarious purposes or for purposes other than humanitarian assistance? >> i will say we don't know what they were used for, we can find no record of how these funds were spent down. certainly not that they were required to be -- what we can say is that they were not required to be spent only for humanitarian purposes and can't tell what they were used for. >> and once this money gets to the bank in qatar, even though you say that it's restricted for use for humanitarian goods,

items only, does that not allow, does that not free up $6 billion from iran's treasury, from -- from its internal accounts that they might otherwise have to spend on these same humanitarian items and now they can spend it on, you know, i don't know, army -- supplying assad with stuff or even with, you know, sending drones to russia. >> no, and here's why. i think it's important to remember that our sanctions regimes, not with respect to iran, with respect to the country, all the countries where we impose sanctions have always contained exceptions for food, for medicine, for other humanitarian purposes. that has always been the case, that was the case with these accounts. it was difficult to transfer these accounts for the reasons, the money from the accounts for the reasons we just went into. but it has always been iranian money in accounts that was available to them for

humanitarian purposes. one other thing, i do recognize that there are tough choices involved here, and the secretary has been forthright about this, upfront about this, the president has been upfront. always tough choices involved in bringing home american citizens. but the president and the secretary have decided that their first priority is to bring these american citizens home and that's why we agreed to this arrangement to do that. >> you are not suggesting somehow these restrictions impact fungibility of the funds. >> say that again. >> so if i -- >> if we -- >> if i have $1 and -- and that means that you have -- that -- a dollar that you have in your wallet you can use to spend on anything you want and you don't have to worry about the dollar that i gave you, right? >> where that analogy breaks down, no one has given iran a dollar here. this is iranian money. you just said if i give you a

dollar. >> i mean, if i give you a dollar out of -- account i have stashed aside someplace, then they are able to spend the dollar on something else, other than humanitarian funds, correct? the other thing that i would take issue with, and the white house talking points, disin -- for people who did not follow the negotiation -- if you give -- let me start again. there is no suggestion by anyone, even the critics, unless they are completely uninformed critics that this is u.s. taxpayer money. no one has said that, that i'm aware of, and if they have, then it's wrong, no one is saying that. so, that is like a straw man argument that you guys knock down all the time saying it's

not u.s. taxpayer money, not coming out of the account. but the other thing is that -- when you say -- when you say that -- >> can i interrupt, i hesitate to ask to interrupt because you interrupt me all the time. it's not a straw man argument, if you peruse twitter last night, elected officials talk about how the united states is giving iran money, we are not doing. it is iran's money. so, there are people who claim we are giving money and we cannot give something that is not ours. >> yeah, but you are making it easier for them to get it. >> i'm taking issue with the specific words. you referred tos a the straw man, people have made that -- >> anyway, neither here nor there. and when you say that the previous administration allowed iran to spend down the accounts, you don't know what it was spent on and you can't account for any of it. how do you know that they did? >> we can see that the accounts have been spent down, other, not the south korean accounts but

other countries spent down. they were spent down without restrictions requiring them to only be used for humanitarian purposes and we cannot see what they were spent for. >> how much was that? >> i don't know off the top of my head. we may have that number, i would be happy to look into it. >> in an interview this morning, suggested that these are iran's funds, that they can decide how the money is spent, whether it be on humanitarian goods or whatever it is the iranian people need. why do you think he's under that impression? >> well, follow up what i said to matt, that may have been the policy under the previous administration, where these accounts were allowed to be spent for purposes that we cannot track. it is not the policy of this administration and it is not the arrangement that will be in place here. i understand why the foreign minister may need to say, may need to make those remarks but the facts of this arrangement are, when this money arrives in these accounts in qatar, it will

be held there under strict oversight by the united states treasury department and the money can only be used for humanitarian purposes, and we will remain vigilant in watching the spending of those funds and have the ability to freeze them again if we need to. >> what do you say to critics looking at this and saying it's a clear direct payment for the release of hostages, you know. is there any change in policy as far as willing to pay a ransom? >> so, i will say two things about that. number one, again, when you refer to it as a payment, again, this was iran's money in the accounts in south korea that has always been, they have always been legally allowed to use for humanitarian purposes. so the united states is not giving iran anything or is not paying iran any amount of money. but the second thing i will say is i see a lot of what i will call kind of false choices and maybe wishful thinking, probably

wishful thinking is probably too benevolent of a way to describe it by some critics of our work to bring american citizens home. i see people all the time that will say of course i want to bring these american citizens home, but i don't think that the united states should allow this transaction to go forward. iran is not going to release these american citizens out of the goodness of their heart. that is not real life, not how this works, that was never going to happen. we have to make tough choices and engage in tough negotiations to bring these american citizens home. there were five american citizens jailed under brutal conditions, one of them more than eight years and the secretary and president decided we need do everything we can to bring them home and that's what we are doing. >> appreciating all of that, does it remain u.s. policy you will not pay ransom for hostages? >> it does. >> thank you, matt. just want to ask an update on where we are on the unfreezing

of the funds, i mean -- 80% complete, almost complete, trying to get a sense of the timeline. >> i'm not going to get into specific details other than to say the funds are in the process of being transferred to their ultimate destination, which is, are these accounts in qatar. they are not there yet, but we are in the process of transferring them there. >> and based on that -- you are right. thank you for the correction. they are in the process of being transferred there. >> and they, on that, when would you expect the swap, the actual swap to take place? >> i don't have any announcements to make when that will occur. >> i just want to sort of follow up on something that you just said. you said u.s. will have the ability to freeze iranian funds transferred to qatar if necessary. >> correct. >> is there going to be some sort of a criteria for that, and you are going to be monitoring it throughout what period. >> criteria is that these funds,

when they are deposited in these accounts, only spent for humanitarian purposes. purchase of food, medicine, other humanitarian products. the treasury department has strict oversight over the use of the funds, we have visibility how they are used and the ability to police their use. >> and one more thing, i know you guys have kept saying these are two separate tracks, like we are not in a place to revive jcpoa and all that, but if this goes just fine, what is next for u.s.? are you thinking about trying to revive the nuclear talks one way or the other? >> i think what's next ultimately depends on iran, and what it's willing to do. these are separate matters. this has been a policy we have pursued, or action we have pursued to free these five wrongfully imprisoned american citizens separately, we do remain focused on constraining

iran's nuclear program, constraining destabilizing behavior, committed to ensuring it never obtains a nuclear weapon. and the reason i said it's up to some extent to the actions by the iranian, you just saw the remarks from the director general yesterday who said iran is not cooperating with the iea in a satisfactory way. so, if iran wants to -- we have always said we welcome diplomacy and open to diplomacy to seek a resolution to iran's nuclear program. but if you just look at their actions and the fact they are not fully cooperating with the iea, that's a sign they are not taking the steps they need to at this point. >> how many nuclear weapons -- follow up on that. would that explain why the, apparently the u.s. would not support a resolution in front of the iea condemning noncooperation of iran? >> i think i say -- we don't have any specific action to preview today about what the iea

may do, but you should expect us to coordinate with other members of the board of like-minded nations who share our concern with iran's nuclear program to once again call on iran to cooperate fully with the iea. >> it's our understanding you would support some sort of common declaration or what have you, but not a resolution per se. >> i don't want to speak to what exact form iea may take, other than just what i said, you should expect to see us working with other members who share our priorities to clearly express that iran should cooperate fully with the iea. >> the question -- he said spending of $6 billion, whatever we need it. answer correctly that he was lying, somebody is lying? >> i'm not going to characterize his remarks that way, other than

what i said before, the funds in the accounts in qatar can only be spent with strict oversight by the treasury department and only for humanitarian purposes. >> what if we find out they did sponsor, talking about how iran is destructive in the region, sponsoring russian war in ukraine. if you find out they continue by using $6 billion that you said is not yours but is iranian peoples' money, not the government's money, what are you going to do? >> i don't want to try to get into hypotheticals. again, i don't think you should take this action as anything other than the united states doing everything it can to bring home five wrongfully imprisoned americans. we will continue to take all the steps that we have taken, that we continue to take to constrain iran's destabilizing action in the region. we have hundreds, if not

thousands of existing -- >> sandra: so quite an interesting briefing there from the state department and matt miller responding to republican criticism that the biden administration with this prisoner swap deal with iran is paying ransom, they are making the case, to iran to secure the release of those american prisoners. miller at the state department saying it's a complicated process, it involves tough choices but this is iran's money they are insisting. those iran funds are housed in south korea en route to qatar. he says we are not giving them any money, and this is not ransom for hostages. so, still a pretty defensive posture from the state department. >> john: then he seemed to try to have it both ways, questioned about the money, he said look, iran was not going to do it out of the goodness of their heart, the only way to do it to free up the funds in south korea and transfer them to qatar.

so maybe it's iran's money but they didn't have access to it and now they will. >> sandra: and pressed on the idea it can only be used for humanitarian purpose, promising there will be u.s. oversight of the use of those funds. it's a big belief those will be accounted for every dollar of them, john. >> john: pretty opaque society. i don't know how you make sure they spend it on what you want them to. breaking news now, nate foy is in pennsylvania covering the manhunt for danelo cavalcante, you heard shots fired, a helicopter overhead, what do you know. >> don't know for sure it was gunshots, but take a look, i'll ask my photographer to pan out in this general vicinity right before we just spoke, i heard three loud bangs, again, i'm not positive that they were gunshots, a neighbor came running up and told the state trooper at the search perimeter there that she thought that she

heard gunshots so pretty much as soon as we were done talking last time, a bunch of state trooper vehicles came rushing up here to this house. it was in this general vicinity. there's a big hill here and i just walked up and spoke with a trooper and he asked me how far into the woods i believed that those shots came from, if they were shots. i told him that they weren't right here, they were a little ways up towards the top of the hill, and they told us to stay farther away and we don't want to interfere with this investigation. you can see they are looking in that area right now, and of course this is a particular area of concern, john, because this is outside the search perimeter which again is about three square miles, and authorities as i just told you are really concerned because cavalcante broke into that garage and stole a .22 rifle with a scope and flashlight attached to it. multiple reported sightings of him.

we have not confirmed that he's been seen today, there has not been a timeline given on the most recent sighting, so this could possibly be the next development in the manhunt and we'll let you know as soon as we get answers. >> sandra: checking to see if there are updates from the police, but as one could imagine, if there was an engagement with this convict that they would be pretty tied up at the moment. so you are saying that there's an obvious pick-up in police activity over the past few minutes since we last spoke to you, nate. >> absolutely. and this is outside the search perimeter. i didn't want to go live with the information, i was not sure if it was just a car backfiring, it happened just moments before i last spoke with you guys but right after the report was done multiple state troopers came flying by and speaking with the homeowner up there, and that homeowner told them and me he heard two loud bangs, i heard three loud bangs. so right now they are trying to figure out exactly what the

source of that noise was and if cavalcante was behind it. >> john: we'll see, nate. we'll let you get back to your fine reporting. if you hear something else, appreciate it. >> sandra: jump back on with my breaking news. former fbi special agent nicole parker, thanks for hanging on with us. what do you make of these latest developments? >> i mean, this is real-time information and law enforcement is acting on it. in my experience, the longer it takes to apprehend this individual the higher the chance there is of violence. if you are in the area, you need to, you know, not be out and about, in that vicinity, be wise, safe, alert, be vigilant. this man, cavalcante, he has no limits. he is not going to jail. i can tell you, you get inside the mind of a criminal when you do these investigations. he has proven over and over he is willing to do whatever he has

to do. he knows he's going away for life. he has nothing to lose, absolutely nothing to lose, everything to gain, and frankly, if he has to lose his life i think he's willing to do that. it is important for those in the area to remain vigilant, secure, lock your windows, lock your car doors, lock your -- everything you have, your vehicles, your sheds, garages. if there is truly gunfire right now as is being possibly reported, this -- this guy has no limits. i would not be surprised if there ends up being a hostage situation. if he's in an area not as rural and there are individuals in the vicinity, be careful. he has proven he is willing to burglarize home, he'll break into homes for food and water, and break in to get guns. he has no limits and so we don't want to live in fear, everyone needs to remain calm, and just be aware and be alert and let law enforcement do their job. if you see something, call 911 or the tip line immediately.

>> john: and proven last night from the resident that took some shots at a person he believed was cavalcante, a lot of the residents in the rural area he's in now are armed themselves. so, this could escalate quite quickly if cavalcante were to try to take over a home where the owner has -- is exercising their second amendment rights. let me ask you this question. the last time we had an escaped inmate in pennsylvania, western pennsylvania earlier this summer, over probably 7 or 8 days. this now is the 13th day. he has been operating in what appears to be a fairly finite area. are you surprised that his ability to evade police? >> you know, as a former agent you want to think we are going to get him, get him right now, get him today. i've had instances i thought i was going to be on operations for days and we end up getting them within minutes and then sometimes it's the opposite. it's hard to know.

as we have discussed many, many times, this is a difficult terrain, it's heavily wooded, hilly. right now he's in a rural area, not in an urban area where he's walking the streets of a city. and i think that's the only important part. he now has a rifle. it's very difficult to conceal a rifle. if it was a handgun, a pistol, a glock, it's easier to conceal. he's not going to give up the weapon, it's his and he's prepared to use it. so a little more difficult with a rifle, anyone that sees that will know it's him. he's changed his appearance many times. the fact he's clean shaven, he had the ability to shave. it's important to know cavalcante has no limits, killed at least two known people we are aware of, one in the united states, his girlfriend, he stabbed 38 times in front of her two young children, this man has no soul. he's very, very evil and it's important to stay alert and aware. and rural areas, people, you know, they don't lock their doors, thinking no one is going

to come to my house, i don't live in the city. now is the time you lock your doors, your windows, your cars, your sheds, and if you have weapons, make sure they are secure. if you have clothing on the porch, make sure it's secure. do not give any reason to help this individual. and the only thing he really needs to survive is water and he's going to keep going as long as he can. so, everyone needs to be aware and be careful. >> sandra: and you were noting also to make sure that anybody living in that area is well aware of his new clean shaven look, familiarize yourself with the way he would currently look and not some of those past pictures. all really important, good information. nicole parker, as always, thank you so much. and we'll let you know if we get more breaking details and get back to you. >> john: thanks, nicole. president joe biden facing impeachment inquiries, as kevin mccarthy says they have

uncovered credible allegations into the president's conduct into the biden family investigations. bring in jonathan turley, george washington university law professor and fox news contributor. so, part of what mccarthy said earlier today when announcing this trio of impeachment at the committee level. >> i don't know what he was doing. i did not know he was on the board of that company. i've never discussed my business or their business, my sons', daughter's. >> i've never spoken to him about his business dealings. >> john: that was not kevin mccarthy, he said i do not make this decision lightly regardless of your party and who you voted for, these facts should concern all americans. did you have any doubt, jonathan, that this was going to happen? >> no, i didn't. i've spoken with republican members over the months about how to proceed with impeachment

if that is what they have to do in the end. there was a degree of inevitable once the evidence began to mount, and how it was held by the bidens and federal agencies. keep in mind, the narrative has changed. many democrats are saying all right, hunter biden was engaged in influence peddling, he was selling access to his father but it was all an illusion, and so the argument now is that these very corrupt figures basically were ripped off by the bidens, that they gave millions of dollars on an illusion that wasn't real. well, first of all, these are people who don't usually buy illusions, that's why they are renowned for their corruption, but the question is how do you know that? i mean, if you accept that there was an influence peddling scheme, which is itself a form of corruption, how do you know that it was purely an illusion? we have this complex series of accounts and shell companies

being used to transfer these funds to various biden family members. there's obviously a need to investigate. by turning this towards an impeachment inquiry doesn't mean you are going to have impeachment, but it makes it more likely you are going to get these answers. >> john: here is what the white house said in response, ian sams, spokesman for the white house counsel's office, opening impeachment by 0 evidence of wrongdoing by potus is red meat for the extreme right wing so they can keep baselessly attacking him. this is the narrative obviously that the white house has been pursuing that there's nothing to see here, and that this is simply a political exercise. that would seem to belie all of the evidence, or be belied by the evidence that these house committees have come up with. >> well, the white house staff has to be careful. they are becoming part of this narrative. they are making denials of facts that frankly are well-known.

the president has engaged in wrongdoing because he's lied to the american public. i mean, i don't know anyone that seriously questions now that the president has lied for years. we have witnesses, like tony, saying not only did the president discuss business dealings, he sat down with the president to brief him on these dealings. you have devon archer who said outright the president's denials were patently false. that's evidence. those are witnesses who had direct contact with the president. and so denying the reality is not going to help. and polls indicate the public is not buying it. the vast majority believes the president was involved in these dealings. and so we have to put an end to this nonsense because it treats the american people like morons. they want to see answers as to how far this corruption went. that's not asking much. and the impeachment inquiry will get those answers, i think, in

quick order, and i think that the white house knows that. l>> john: we will see. james comer has already sent a letter to antony blinken over at the state department saying in part the committee seeks to understand the state department sudden change in disposition towards the ukrainian office of prosecutor general in late 2015. so, they are on track, they were just waiting for the official green light from mccarthy, but it's full steam ahead. jonathan, great to see you. good to get your take on things. appreciate it. >> thanks, john. >> sandra: more concerning news on the economy. brand-new numbers out revealing americans' household income has now fallen for a third straight year. is president biden's handling of the economy solely to blame? we will ask our econ panel here to debate that. plus this. >> unfortunately a history of banning books we consider classic works of literature. >> john: democrats attacking

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>> hits him on the return, near side. i don't see any flags, gibson inside the 30, it's the jets and it's gonna go! touchdown gibson, game over. >> john: new york jets pulling off a big win against the buffalo bills in overtime, but it came at a huge price. the jets' worst fears are now confirmed after starting quarterback aaron rodgers was carted off the field in the game's opening moments, in the tackle here, didn't seem like a hard tackle, tore his achilles tendon and will be out for the rest of the season. he joined the jets in a huge trade with the green bay packers in the off season. jets 20-21 first round draft pick zach wilson into the starting role. it's like he gently pum

down. didn't hit him hard. >> sandra: sometimes that's all it takes. >> john: you have to flex the foot the wrong way and you know, when you are 40 years old, the body does not react when you are 21. >> sandra: brutal for him and for the fans. just brutal. bummer. >> john: apparently he'll still get paid for the entire season. >> sandra: brutal for him, ok, ok, so he'll be ok. >> john: bad for the team. >> sandra: now this. >> i don't see anything -- other than the spirits. times are tough with the gas prices going up and every item when i go food shopping is 20% more post covid. so, it's tough out there for everybody. >> sandra: you hear it everywhere. so, what does it all mean? we have brand-new numbers on the economy that are adding to the growing concerns for this white house, especially with the president's re-election bid. household income is the new number that is out. median household income, it has

fallen for a third straight year as american families have taken a 5% pay cut since 2019. the report highlighting the toll rampant inflation president biden's policies are having coast to coast. robert wolf, former obama adviser and steve moore, former trump economic adviser. so, steve, is this solely the result of biden's economic policies or more to it? >> well, you might say that biden is america's, you know, torn achilles heel because we have just seen disastrous results. these are really bad numbers that came out this morning, so you mentioned the fact that the incomes fell very significantly, you know, we were proud under trump, the average family income, sandra, went up by $6,500, that's a huge increase, and under biden now looks like from the new numbers the average family income has gone down about $2,000. adjusted for inflation. the other report, part of this

report that we have not even commented on is what happened to the poverty rate in the united states, and we were proud of the fact poverty fell to the lowest level ever under trump. >> sandra: it's soaring. >> and now we have seen a big jump, 5% jump in poverty for all americans, and for the child poverty rate you saw on the jean now, the child poverty rate doubled, doubled. >> sandra: more than doubled. >> and that's because inflation is so high, it's hard for people's incomes to keep up with high prices. >> sandra: so robert, let's bring you in here. all this is happening, so median household income is down now 5% since 2019, child poverty rates are soaring, now 12.5%, it was 5% in 2021. that's a pretty quick time frame to see that big of a jump. as all of this is happening, people are grappling with the sky high inflation. we are taking on more and more credit card debt. we just got the latest numbers from a new study out that says that americans took on

$43 billion in additional credit card debt during the second quarter of this year. that's more than triple the average amount of new debt households have taken on in that period since the great recession of 2008 -- 2007-2008. what does all this tell you, robert? >> yeah, i think, let me just take on what steve's comments were. that was 2022, we had a four decade high of inflation, if you look at actually the last seven months of data, wages have outperformed inflation, and actually, i would bet, steve, he owes me $5 from this program when i beat him on the last bet but i will bet 2023 inflation income will actually outperform in 2023, and it will be actually a few months before the 2024 election. it is clear that the trajectories in the right way, it's equally clear, sandra, to

your point, that 2022 was a brutal year. you can't have inflation in double digits. >> sandra: it can be very misleading. hold on. >> facts on 2022. >> sandra: wages, real wages, are they up or down? >> yeah. well, at what -- what point are you talking about real wages since, if you look at the fed data, since december of 2022, real wages since december of 2022 are up versus inflation. inflation, 2.5, 3%, real wages are 4%. slightly up. >> sandra: this is really important, what people are talking about. real wages, to be clear, are down, and this is the u.s. bureau of labor statistics in front of me. they are down two. -- it's a two-year change, this is since the beginning of the biden presidency, down 2.63%. >> i'm talking about since december of 22, and talking about since december o