bortac are the same that took out the shooter in uvalde. >> they are the best, i am glad they brought them in, they are used to finding people in tough terrain. >> ainsley: thank you for your service and for being with >> bill: good morning, everybody. breaking news. it's over. it took two full weeks but a convicted murderer is back in custody. good morning, i'm bill hemmer along with dana perino. you were watching coverage we rarely get the chance to see. an inmate who escaped from a chester county prison in pennsylvania has now been captured and the upper right-hand corner of your screen these are so rare that we're able to watch this live as we did over the past hour as he was taken into custody. a small guy, five feet tall.

authorities taking cavalcante into custody. ends the manhunt now. what a manhunt it was. all the resources that went out there into looking for him and this fellow who was on the air 20 minutes ago ryan drummond. the homeowner. the other night he heard something in his house. he turned on a light and cavalcante turned the life out. he was looking for provisions and the man said he grabbed the only thing he could to grab himself and a picture of his family and it might have been the ultimate tip for authorities to track him down. >> dana: he escaped from prison august 31st, a day after he had been sentenced to life in prison for the killing of his girlfriend back in 2021. he wanted to get out of the jail. a jail had a similar problem but

that person was caught. cavalcante was not. it took two weeks, schools had been closed, people told to stay indoors. lock their cars, make sure that they were keeping themselves safe. all for this guy. and the amount of resources that it took to bring him in is quite astounding. we'll hear more about that at 9:30 when there is a press conference. he is now in custody. >> he is wearing a philadelphia eagles long sleeve sweatshirt. we watched him turn his back to authorities as they cut the sweatshirt off and revealed markings on his skin, tattoos that were clear indicators of his identity. you mentioned the press conference coming up in moments. we've been watching the press conferences for two weeks and they have something to say. we did it, we got him. the schools that had been closed in the area can now reopen without fear. 9:30 eastern. we'll bring it to you live. nate foye has been in

southeastern pa for a couple of weeks now. what do you have? where are you? where are you seeing? >> bill, we're just outside what was the search perimeter a few minutes ago. we saw some vehicles, ground crews and aviation teams pull out to the applause of people here just outside a wawa. a lot of frustration. but now people are happy to see that cavalcante has been captured. most importantly, it doesn't appear anyone was injured in the process of doing it. i can tell you my source pennsylvania state police tells me that cavalcante was captured very close to that garage where he broke in monday night and stole the.22 caliber rifle with the scope and light attached to it. it was border patrol teams as well as pennsylvania state police that were able to initiate that capture and that he is now -- you saw the video of him being loaded into the bearcat as they took off that

sweatshirt that you mentioned as he is shirtless being loaded into the bearcat. he is being brought to the avondale facility. the state facility there right now. that's where cavalcante is going. you mentioned that we will learn a lot more from lieutenant colonel coming up at 9:30 and i'm sure federal assets will be there as well. this has been all hands on deck for the past 14 days. and just thinking back at all the different parts of this manhunt, cavalcante breaks out two weeks ago, he breaches the first perimeter. when the trail camera captured him at longwood gardens just south of the original perimeter. authorities moved south to encircle longwood gardens. that was the moment that everybody really felt that they were going to capture him but he was able to sneak past troopers and steal a van from a dairy

farm 3/4 of a mile away from the search perimeter. the keys were left inside that van. then he brought it here. that is why we're here, this is the last part of this search, the van was dumped two miles from where we are right now and the questions were at the time was he receiving help? did he get in another car? did he steal another car? or was he still in the area? turns out he was here ever since late saturday night, early sunday morning. and there is just a lot of relief from everybody here in the community and i'm sure everyone will be tuned in at 9:30 to see what pennsylvania state police share in terms of how exactly he was brought into custody. but we know that his sister, his family is being impacted by this. his sister did not cooperate with authorities. she is facing deportation. she was arrested by ice agents. cavalcante is an illegal immigrant himself after being accused of murder in brazil in

2017 and then coming here and murdering his girlfriend in pennsylvania in 2021 and prosecutors say he stabbed her 38 times in front of her two young children because she was threatening to tell police about the previous murder in brazil. a very dangerous man. he is not going back to the county prison. that was something that was just talked about on our air i believe during the "fox & friends" hours. that's not happening. he is being taken to the state facility in avondale and they are looking into that prison in chester county because there has been two prison escapes just in the past three months using the same exact tactic. they have a lot to look in there. what's most important, bill, is that cavalcante is captured. >> bill: he apparently had a 22 caliber rifle with him and ammunition. don't know if it was ever used. what's remarkable to me they took him alive and the amount of people who surround him, dana,

are these employed by the state of pennsylvania? did they bring feds into this operation? this looks like an army ranger unit surrounding him. >> dana: feds were definitely added. nate, do you know who is surrounding him there in the video we have of him when he was captured? >> so, i just briefly saw the video. i can tell you my source with pennsylvania state police says that it was border patrol and tactical teams from pennsylvania state police that initiated the capture and then in terms of actually him being loaded into the bearcat, the transport vehicle, i'm sure more resources were brought in for that. throughout this time it has been all hands on deck. local police, state troopers and multiple federal agencies. atf agents are scouring the corn fields. u.s. marshals have been involved from the beginning as well as border patrol. so over 500 law enforcement

officers as of yesterday were within the search perimeter. it has been just a full effort from both local, state, and federal resources. >> bill: stand by. back to you in moments. we have ted williams, paul mauro, joe carnelly and all kinds of questions momentarily. you are watching this, paul. what was your first observation when you saw him pop up on that helicopter shot. >> i think, like everybody else, i'm happy he has been taken without any other loss of life. this guy looked like he was all in. this thing was beginning to remind me, if any of you remember, of a guy named qanon who went on a cross-country spree with a weapon and carjacked his way across the country made his way to florida and what he did was assassinate the designer, a well-known story. what struck me is the most recent still shots that we saw of him on the ring cameras.

he is smiling. he doesn't look very concerned. at one point he looks like he is mugging for the camera and almost enjoying this. he was all in and maybe he felt like you know what? i have nothing to lose, i'm not going alive. if he won't be taken alive and now he has a.22 caliber rifle it bodes ill. we don't know if he has ammo. he can get a car, home invasion and gets rested, etc. it raised the stakes. the other key i would mention what his mindset might be. he gets out. they don't know he is gone for about an hour. this looks a little more planned than i initially thought. when you see him grab walk up that wall. if you look around his waist in the small of his back looks like he has something secreted. might be a towel or something to get over the razor wire. that was the other question i had. he might have had supplies he got ahold of in prison and kept

him going until he got to the longwood gardens. longwood gardens provided water. gave him top cover from helicopters, etc. he is very clever and he kind of looks like he knew what he was doing. think about this. he then reverses course and goes almost 40 miles north, which means he goes back the way he came. it took him past the prison. i don't know how close to the prison he went, but if you trace his steps he went back towards where he had been incarcerated. it speaks to a certain level of boldness, confidence, arrogance, whatever you want to call it. i have to be honest. i was beginning to get concerned it would end a lot less peaceably. >> dana: before we get to ted and joe i want to ask you one other thing. a striking image to see. what's the protocol about getting off the tee shirt. >> getting the tee shirt off would be a real pain for lack of a better term because he was

caught. no matter how much they searched him he wanted to make sure he didn't want something secreted. they impress this upon you in the academies. you won't be bashful about doing the search here. you will search everywhere you need to, okay? now he is going to be examined and may go to the hospital for a cavity search. guys like this who are so desperate and on the run, you have to really make sure that they don't have something, even i have had instances where the perp has a razor blade secreted in their mouths. they can do it. they have this little trick they do with their tongue and go like that and it comes out and they have access to a razor blade. you have to really be careful. they are clever, stakes are very high for them. i think they want to do a full search. they were taking photos as well. they want to get photos of his

tattoos. there is one other thing that occurs to me. i don't know which personnel were there. a lot of this personnel will no longer have access to him. if you are a fed, let's say and assisting in this case. now he will likely go to the local cops and be processed and reincarcerated and resentenced. this may be the last access they have to him. a bunch of people were taking photos and might want to document his tattoos. >> bill: we're waiting for answers on that. you will ride shotgun with us. ted williams. a lot of questions in 18 minutes. what is your first question? >> well, my first question that i want to know is how did they allow this guy to get out of that prison? now, we know how he crab walked up. but there had been a prisoner before this guy escaped made a similar escape. you would have thought that law

enforcement would have been on their ps and qs. i have to tell you, this is great news. this is what i defined yesterday as a game changer. yesterday my game changer was the fact that he had now gotten a weapon. but for the folk in that neighborhood, the pressure is off. i can tell you guys about three weeks ago, i was up at lincoln university there in chester county, pennsylvania. and i knew the topography and how it was in those woods and i knew what law enforcement was up against. but they did an excellent job. they have brought this guy to justice. this guy was a killer. killed his girlfriend in front of children. and also killed another man. what i was deeply concerned

about that at any time this guy could kill again, especially after he had gotten that gun out of that garage. so i'm happy the way that this ended, but there is definitely a need for an investigation to make sure this doesn't happen again. but let's salute state, local and federal law enforcement who went in those woods and stayed in those woods until they were able to bring this man to justice. i'm so happy that they were able to contain him in one of the two perimeters that they had set up. >> dana: thank you, ted. joe is joining us, too. the coordination amongst the state, local and federal forces here in order to bring him to justice was quite incredible. i know you have had experience with that, joe. >> yeah. the fact that they just let out

just enough to let the public know to protect the public safety and cops and everything. they had an idea. went around the perimeter. the dogs, those canines are only as effective as the handlers can let them be. it's a hot day. look at the size of the dog's tongue to make sure they aren't overheating. that happened a lot this summer with a lot of things. the nexus in jail with these prisoners is very much alive. he can go into that prison and get the information he needs and gets the help from within. when you talk about somebody -- some -- they have nothing to lose. they have absolutely nothing to lose. if you go back to 1981, a long time ago but a prime example of the mindset from then to now. we had a lieutenant killed off duty but one of the cuban flotilla up in the bronx. when they got them in custody they said what will you do to

us? put us in jail? feed us and put clothes on us? nothing compared to what castros does to us. they have no fear of our prison system. no fear of our criminal justice system and they come here and they're dangerous. how many more cavalcantes are out there right now? how many more that snuck across the border that we don't know anything about? that's the situation we have to address. and as ted said, which is correct, now the investigation -- an investigation has been going on. how to tighten up the security here. you have to break up the nexus within the jails, too, of how they coincide with one another over there and help each other out. he told somebody i got to get out of here. this is what this guy did and probably aided him. they will go into that part of the investigation as well. >> bill: he was reaching out to people he knows. the quote is that he was desperate reaching out to people with whom he hasn't spoken to in years. another person he reached out to was cavalcante's sister. she was not cooperating and now

she faces the strong possibility of deportation. paul had mentioned one case a moment ago. i think the one case, dana, that comes to mind about those who run off in the woods and hide for a long time is eric robert rudolph in the woods of north carolina. he did it for a long time. eventually was apprehended in the back of a strip shopping mall. >> dana: he had a lot of help. >> bill: he was going through a dumpster at night one time and spotted him. i don't know how much help he had in the mountains. joe, do we know how much help this guy had? based on the amount of resources they have and it is a wooded area but only 35 miles west of philadelphia. 14 days to some people might seem like a long time. what do you think about that observation? >> 14 days is a long time. the fact his sister wasn't cooperating deport her, good. one less problem in the future.

the fact that this man was out there. like i said, he is desperate and has nothing to lose. that's the most dangerous component of this case and he became armed and change his appearance, get transportation, whether by hijacking or stealing a car. he was setting himself up. changed his appearance, shaved, got clothes. he was comfortable and little by little going out there. the state police with the forces joining with them from the outside knew the area where they had to go and they started concentrating on that and started focusing on securing the public safety first and then moving in and letting him expire to the point they could make a move or that he was going to come out into custody. if you notice in the photo they recovered the 22 rifle. that was part of the pictures

they were taking. >> dana: paul mauro still with us. a statement from the chester county commissioner who says changes have already been made to prison security. i should hope so. the same escape happened before. that guy had been captured. this one didn't. the enormous cost of this in money, taxpayer dollars, plus the schools that had to close, people losing sleep. there is a lot of cost that goes into this and i would imagine that these security measures at the prison have to change. this is really outrageous. >> it was. think just the closing of the arboretum. people go there for recreation and yeah, i'm sure they're already doing a very heavy scrub. they already fired one corrections officer. they knew we have a problem here and we need to take swift action. there will be, i'm sure, a lot further adjustments.

two is inexcusable. it feels to me like we've seen a number of these. look at the epstein case. could anybody have been a more high profile prisoner. i didn't hear about anybody being fired or new protocols to make sure this doesn't happen. let me speak up for the corrections officers. that's a tough job. you are in those prisons night and day dealing with the prisoners. you know they hate you and have hostile intent and just like the police departments are shorthanded, corrections is extremely shorthanded. i know new york city is shorthanded in their corrections department. hundreds, if not thousands of uniformed officers. what you do have is people working extra hours, they are tired, they get sloppy, and you have to pay them overtime, which is also expensive. we just have a unformed recruitment problem in this nation. i know that's what this came down to, i don't know if that's

what this came down to. >> dana: we see this over and over again not just in pennsylvania but across the country. there was the defund police movement but also recruitment issue and we have to recognize these jobs are very difficult for people. but also then the jobs of trying to track somebody down in 100 degree heat, 90% humidity over a huge area that is heavily wooded and with a lot of the bugs, the water. just the amount of the cost of this is just enormous. a good result. they got him, nobody else was injured and i don't think he will ever see the light of day again. >> you would think one of the options on the table would be deportation. but i have no idea how this is going to go. very often what happens is that on the state level if a person is going to be in jail for a long time and deportation is on the table, especially in a case like here where brazil has an arrest warrant for him and go to

jail in brazil. the thinking domestically why should we feed and clothe this guy the rest of his life? we can send him someplace else. that very well may happen here. it will have to work its way through the system. i had a couple of cases where somebody went to jail here, you got a nice sentence, everybody was doing god's work, felt like a victory and then the person got deported and you had to say to yourself i hope he gets incarcerated back home. because i don't know -- at that point you go blind. at some point i would suspect that he will be going back to brazil to face the music there. he has plenty of music to face here as well. >> bill: let's bring ted williams into the conversation. the escape wasn't noticed for more than an hour. we have a statement from the chester county commissioner in pennsylvania talking about changes made. dana referred to it. here is the statement. chester county prison officials

made immediate changes to bolster security in the prison. security contractors to make permanent changes to the exercise yards and reviewing and where needed changing procedures for both security measures and communication of residents who live close to the prison. ted, your reaction on that. some of this is to be expected clearly. >> bill, i'm glad that they are making those changes. those changes are necessary and proper. i can tell you both joe and paul will tell you that some of the smartest people in the world are locked up in prison. so they are always trying to find ways to get out. now, you know, what this brings me to mind of is when griff jenkins and i were up in new york where they had two escaped prisoners and they were out in those woods forever. but the one thing that we have found in all of these cases, is

that law enforcement are not going to stop until they bring some kind of a prisoner like this to justice. i can tell you this past weekend i was on with neville and i said the two things necessary here were the two ps, patience and the ability to continue to put pressure in that area. this is what law enforcement did. they had to have been patient. this guy kept bobbing up every now and then. and he also was able to make phone calls, was able to get into homes, steal a weapon and to be out there. but they continued to put the pressure on this guy. and as a result of putting pressure on him, they were able to bring this guy to justice. i got to tell you guys, i did not think it was going to end this way. i thought that pretty much that this guy certainly could have

been killed as a result of having now found that gun in that garage. >> bill: the perimeter was significant. it was about two miles -- three miles east to west and two miles north to south. and there had been at least 500 law enforcement engaged in trying to secure that area. back to joe, what do you think we'll hear in a couple minutes when the briefing gets underway? >> i think you will hear how the efforts were coordinated. how everybody worked together and that they had an idea and that they executed that idea by putting the personnel in that area. i will tell you something else you have to wonder about is the jails. i know you brought up a great point about the personnel, about how they don't have enough personnel. when i had the brooklyn south gang unit we were in touch with the prisons especially where prisoners were going into a certain prison. we wanted to know the nexus in that prison. look at the tattoos, document

everything. we had a case with a latin king. the only result for him was to be totally out of contact with anybody. they put him out in the desert someplace in a little four by four square down under the ground and he had limited access to -- while he was in prison he was still making hits from prison. so when they go to -- as ted said when they go into these systems it's like a college for them. they actually go in and have the help they need and professors in college, learn more and they just expound on their criminal activity. that's the greatest place for them. when they put a mindset like this guy did i want to get out, they have all the help they need from within, you need more correction officers that work with law enforcement. you need to right personnel inside those prisons and in this day and age it is so hard to keep a cap on what we need for personnel especially in the

nypd. prisons the same thing. a round robin effect we have to address. but until that time comes, if and when it ever does come back to normal, they have to secure the prisons and move these prisoners away from that nexus of the people who help them within the prisons. >> bill: good luck. this man is 34 and he was a bad dude. he was in jail waiting transfer for a life sentence for fatally stabbing his ex-girlfriend going back two years to 2021. she was stabbed dozens of times. >> dana: his mother, paul, was utilized in the search. they had her record a message that they broadcast on -- through the helicopter as they went over the search area begging him to do the right thing, to turn himself in. sometimes maybe that could help. she was also quoted in the "new york times," she said that she

believed his training was his suffering and the way he grew up. it was going to sleep hungry and waking up as i wondered what to feed them. a lot of us wondered gosh, if you put yourself in his shoes could i have survived for two weeks there? it is pretty unbelievable what happens to the human condition when you get desperate like that and your ability to figure out a way to stay alive. >> apparently look, we all know he is no stranger to danger. he has been through this stuff in brazil, the homicide, etc. we know he is desperate as well. i think the interesting piece here is what you bring up, dana, which is deprivation. he is a guy who is not going the fall apart because he doesn't have his atm card, right? he apparently in brazil worked on farms, ranchs. he was a ranch hand and worked in pretty rough terrain and he got used to surviving and living in the bush as a matter of his daily life. that's the reporting we've seen.

at a point he goes on the run. first in brazil and then here, he is used to this kind of thing. used to going into figuring out in the woods how to survive and keep myself going the next couple of days. marry that with something that joe touched on, prison trade craft. there are -- some of the perps call it prison school. the term they use. you see that throughout history. in the old mafia cases, they would go to jail, in jail they would learn how to do bigger and better capers. so probably something similar here. it is no accident that he used a very similar method to get out of jail as the prior guy did. he learned that. this guy, as i mentioned earlier, probably did have -- usually with prisoners they think of terms i have to get out of here. once they get out, now what do i do? if you don't have a lot of support we get them in a day or two. this guy had a mindset and plan, had some skills and he led them

-- two weeks is a long time for this kind of thing. when you consider he had an hour head start. that means about what, a mile, mile and a half maybe two if you are running? and yet he has alluded them this far and got 40 miles north of where we had seen the photos. >> dana: at one point nate foye was in front of a railroad track crossing and there was real concern that cavalcante had figured out to way to get on the train. at that point then the search is nationwide. >> that's why i brought up qanon. in a case like this nobody is in the wind. a weapon, right? but also wheels of any sort because if he gets a car, a bicycle, he gets anything. i will tell you my concern as well turns out to be wrong but for full disclosure. when i saw him how tightly he had shaved and he is relatively small. i thought he would disguise himself as a woman.

i figured he had gotten into a couple of houses. if he could have figured out a way to do is that and access to a car the whole country becomes a canvas. that was the nightmare scenario of a guy desperate, nothing to lose. they can have his mother broadcasting to him turn yourself in for what, life in prison? >> dana: she says in the article to the times. she said it was better for him to die than to go back to prison. she says this, if it's to go to a place to suffer and die in that place it is better to die soon. you don't have to suffer so much, just to die later. that might have been his mindset, too. >> as i said at the top, that was my fear and you have one of those shots now on the screen of him smiling at the ring camera. he looks deranged. that felt to me like a guy who had made the decision that i'm going out in a blaze of glory. you will never take me alive. we may hear.

we saw the condition he was in when they got him. that was his attempt we may hear. the cops got him and now he has to face justice and we have to figure out what went wrong. >> dana: will he go to the hospital for care? >> of course he will. >> bill: 9:31 on the east coast and southeastern pennsylvania. we're told a press conference would begin around this time led by the pennsylvania state police. lieutenant colonel bevins. he will face a series of questions. whether or not he starts before the vehicle stops is another question. joining our conversation former f.b.i. nichole parker. nichole, welcome to our coverage as we wait and anticipate this news conference. you've been watching your tv for the past hour. what happens next with this wanted man, age 34 now back in custody? >> well, based on my experience

they will take him back to i understand the state system. and obviously he is not going to want to talk to them. law enforcement tries to get that interview but this is a victorious moment for law enforcement. i think as the public we watch it and why is it taking so long? it has been two weeks. behind the scenes, there is a lot of work going on and as time progressed they brought on more officers. it went from local to state to federal. and we cannot think enough -- thank the border patrol. the border patrol tactical unit. the same group that took down the individual in the uvalde school shooting was involved in the takedown with the pennsylvania state police. that's a huge -- we owe a huge debt of gratitude to them. in law enforcement you want to take them down immediately but

you get tired and you feel the strain. there is no one that wanted to take this individual down more than they did. and i think like many of your guests and especially ted has mentioned, i didn't think it would end with a safe apprehension. i truly believed there would be some form of bloodshed because he is desperate. he did have the rifle. he had no restraints. i commend law enforcement that he was taken in safely, alive and will now face his life sentence which he was doing everything to escape. he will have to sit in prison for the rest of his life. >> bill: they are only as good sometimes as the public has information that can help them. there are two bits of information the last couple of days that are absolutely critical. one is this resident ryan who spotted him inside his house. granted he stole the rifle and off he ran. but at 8:00 p.m. on monday night police say he was spotted when a motorist saw a man crouched

along a wood line in the same area of the township. so nichole, you've got eyes on the ground from people who live there, who in all likelihood helped police and this search continue to winnow down the area to make sure that they would get their guy and today they have. >> right. we owe our appreciation to the community. they were very vigilant. they were alert and they provided tips to law enforcement. law enforcement, we can't do our job without the human intelligence. it is so vital and important. they were relentless. everyone, it was all hands on deck. it was law enforcement, the community and everyone had to pull together. but these were very difficult situation. you have a hilly terrain, a heavy wooded area. this is not some urban city with video surveillance everywhere. this was tough. but they had the aviation and

the canines. over 500 law enforcement officers. like dana mentioned, this was very expensive. a very expensive operation. the correction officer who allowed this to occur again there has to be a full investigation in that jail. this is the second time this happened since may. completely inexcusable. i think also people look at this individual and think he is five feet tall, from brazil. doesn't seem threatening. he was extremely savvy and sophisticated. a lot of that came from his upbringing likely in brazil. he is used to going without. in a situation where a lot of people would crumble without food and without sanitation for two weeks, for him it was -- he was able to get by with the minimal amount necessary and he did. and i can tell you, you get in the mind of a criminal. they have nothing to lose. they don't care. they will die before they will

go to jail for the rest of their life. i have been in instances where it hasn't ended this way. the criminal has ended up dead because they have pulled weapons on law enforcement and refused to cooperate. i'm so grateful he did not take any civilians hostage. that was one of my biggest concerns. will he take a civilian hostage? will he burglarize a home and now he has a rifle. we don't know how many rounds, whether ammo or not. it is a perceived weapon. a weapon. will he hurt others? and i am so grateful there was a safe apprehension of this very, very dangerous individual. >> dana: let me ask you a quick question and like to get the question answered from all of you in a quick round if we could as we wait for the press conference. what question would you like to see them answer today? >> cavalcante? >> dana: there will be a press conference with state police. >> i would like to know, because

i would like to know what was the final moment where they knew where he was? what was it that led them exactly to him? was it a canine? i would like to know what led them to where he was arrested and what the final tip was. >> dana: ted williams. what question would you like to have answered there? >> you know, i unfortunately -- i am echoing what nichole said here. i want to know what in the last let's say hour before they were able to capture this guy, what was the activity that law enforcement was going through that led to this capture. and once they came upon him, what i want to know is were they able to find a weapon close to him and what was his, meaning the prisoner, the killer's reaction as he was being

captured? >> dana: joe, same question. >> you know, i want to know where he is going from here. what type of incarceration will he be in now? if he goes back to any incarceration where he has contact with the gp he will be a hero to them. he took law enforcement on a two-week spree and look like a hero to them. you need to isolate this guy. he needs to be put in isolation to every degree. >> dana: ask the control room to pull up the video of the escape from the prison. i want paul to point out to us what you were talking about in terms of here we have it, paul. maybe help people. >> look at the small of his back. do you see how there seems to be a bulge that doesn't comport with the way his shirt would normally hang? this is just an observation. i don't know this or have the source. if you think along the lines this guy apparently was.

he had to get over razor wire. that was the last hump he had to get over to get out of there. he has a towel or something wrapped around his waist because it looks like he didn't get all cut up getting out of the prison from the images we've seen. he had something wrapped around his waist to put it over the razor wire and catapult over for lack of a better term. the question i would like to ask, i think there are two. the first would be did he have any help once he got out? i think your prior guests covered the things that we're all wondering. did any of the folks he got in contact with affirmatively help him? then we might have a larger investigation. the other thing i would ask a slightly uncomfortable question, which would be initially you had a perimeter south of the prison. he was missing for an hour and most of us expected they will get this guy quickly as normally happens. all of a sudden they said we

have to include longwood gardens and extend the perimeter. been pictured there. that is only about an hour and change walk at a good pace from the prison. so to me the question becomes why did you assume he was so close? he had an hour head start. he is desperate. he will be moving quickly. it feels to me like they may have a comment where they clean that up a little bit. might be a misconception on my part. i was wondering why the perimeter was no narrow initially because that's when he got free to make other decisions. once you widen the perimeter his strategic options multiply and a problem for law enforcement. >> bill: nate, i don't know where you are in relation to where this press conference is going to take place or where you are in relation to this slow-moving vehicle. it's probably 44, 50

miles-per-hour. do you know where they're going first and what will happen next for him? >> well, bill, i can tell you he is going to the state facility in avondale which i don't have it off the top of my head. i believe it's within an hour drive of where i am right now. where the press conference is happening in kenette square is closer to the first and second search perimeters near longwood gardens where i am is where cavalcante dumped that stolen van that helped him breach that second search perimeter and he came out here. and again, border patrol, state police and i'm also told the special emergency response team helped bring him into custody within the past couple hours this morning and right now he is in that bearcat being taken to the state prison facility. and everyone has a lot of

questions, bill. we're hoping to learn more exactly about how he was taken into custody. we know it was near that home where he stole a rifle from a garage where a homeowner was inside that garage. cavalcante troopers believe was looking for a place to hide and he grabbed that rifle. the homeowner shot at cavalcante with a pistol and missed. and now they have taken him into custody and appears no one has been injured. the most important thing. but certainly more questions about how exactly they finally got over the hump on day 14 of this manhunt. >> bill: ryan drummond is the man who lives there with his family. if you don't have a connection with us we'll come back to you. just hang with me for a moment and we'll try to get the question out there. ryan drummond said he heard us whereling downstairs.

turned on the light and cavalcante turned the light off. >> dana: he wanted the person downstairs to know he knew he was there. he flicked the light switch three times and in a chilling thing to me cavalcante switched the light switch on three times as well to let him know i am down here. ryan said he and his daughters have had nightmares over the last several nights. >> bill: i'm sure. nate foye when we get that connection we'll bring you back. the pennsylvania state police have a lot of questions to answer, ted williams. and colonel bevins has been taking questions for the better part of two weeks. there will be some tough ones that come his way in a matter of minutes. we're ten minutes away, maybe less. there was some activity in that room. ted, perhaps we're getting closer to that press conference. >> dana: nate. you are back here. bill, your question to nate was

about ryan drummond. >> bill: i don't know how many correspondents have talked to him. what more do you know about his story? he talked about his family and his kids having nightmares. that's the kind of stuff you are haunted by especially as a little kid. >> bill, i haven't spoke with him directly but i can tell you that the entire community -- there has been a mixture quite honestly of people who are very scared, you know, we've seen pictures and i've spoken to people who say they aren't worried because they have guns and if cavalcante tries breaking into their home they will kill him. and then there is also people that are obviously very scared with the fact that a guy who has killed two people previously is on the loose and he has, we know, broken into homes since that escape. and his ability to evade

authorities gave people this idea of wonder of what this man is capable of and whether or not it was, you know, luck at times or skill or just his ability to endure hardship like his mother has talked about in his upbringing in rural brazil. all this sort of came together to create a level of intrigue and fear about what he was capable of. and then once he got that rifle, it riley changed things. prior to that, there wasn't a defined search perimeter, which sort of, you know, expanded the discomfort zone. we didn't know where he was. then once he got that gun, we knew he was here, which was good. it's uncomfortable to know this killer has a gun, but it allowed authorities to really 0 in on him and surround him and of course he breached two previous

search perimeters. there were concerns from residents here about that. but it was good that authorities knew where he was, they could surround him and then just methodically either wait for him to reveal himself or go and get him, which it appears that's what happened with state police as well as border patrol and the teams this morning. different people you hear different levels of fear. children this is something that is very difficult for them to understand. but again, bill, very thankful that nand was injured. >> bill: there are a bunch of things that happened in the last 60 seconds. a lot of images. that vehicle that he was in, this bearcat arrived at its destination. he was taken out the back of it wearing what you would see a marathon runner wear at the end of the race. silver lining to keep him warm, one would assume. they stripped off the

sweatshirt. the associated press is reporting, we have not confirmed this. associated press is saying that searchers used thermal imaging to direct police on the ground to find and arrest the fugitive cavalcante. i'm reading that here. joe, we haven't heard from you for a minute. maybe that was the tool they needed in the end to finally get the bull's-eye on this target. >> i think so. as nichole said earlier, the fact you have the public watching for him. it is such a dangerous situation. you expect the worst and hope for the best with this. i believe they had an idea of where he was. i know paul brought up a point why didn't they go in a different correction? i think the questions answered at the press conference will be the direction they took and why they took that direction. more importantly, bill, i really think they need to address the conditions inside all the prisons because it's such an

environment that we don't know much about once they get in there because like i said, the nexus that they all contribute to. i think we have to get a little more sophisticated where the placement of these prisoners. we might be putting them into the hornet's nest. if you isolate them and take them away which i think is what will have to happen with this individual. they have to keep him away. i really think the personnel issue has to be addressed. when you do start hiring, you have to know who you are hiring. some of them take the job at the direction of others, everybody understands what that means. they're inside for a reason and we've already seen, as ted stated, you know, somebody up in new york helping two prisoners escape. so i'm not blaming anybody in the prison system right now i'm saying we have to address the issues within the prison systems and let the correctional officers have the tools they need to do their job in

coordination with outside law enforcement and in touch with them on a daily basis if need be. >> dana: can i make a comment about that? we're about to witness something that i think, with all the video we're seeing and with the press conference we're about to have and they get ready and we bring it to you. they are setting up the microphones. paul, this is a great recruitment moment. if you want -- if you are thinking about a career where public service is on your mind, a good career working with great people doing very interesting things, helping protect the public, to me moments like this could be good recruiting for young people who are thinking what they want to do next. >> yeah. i've been accused of being an ambassador for law enforcement because i advocate that it's a great career. you can go to agencies where you can have multiple careers. nypd i had what felt to me like 5 or 6 different careers.

it is a large agency and you can transfer around. federal agencies the same thing. a smaller agency you become a generalist. even in a small department. at the end of the day what do we want? work that feels good to you. you want fun that matters, and you want something that pays dec decently. the benefits are usually good. etc. i think it is still a wonderful career, but -- a big but you know what's coming here. the key is that you have to have the backing of the people who control your fate. you have to have the backing of the polamalu -- politicians. it doesn't help the atmosphere within the police department. morale. one of the reasons the nypd was so successful in the broken era of policing and going forward post 9/11 is that they had

backing. >> bill: that's the image screen left him being taken out of the bearcat inside the building there. one point here to be made about cavalcante and his history, he was a fugitive in brazil. he was accused of shooting a man in a parking lot six times. and then fled into the nearby savannah and hid out for some time. but he came to the united states and he got in here into this country after he was considered a fugitive in his former country and had been for the past six years, 2017. and according to this report he used a false identity to get into america and i would ask you, paul, is it that easy when you've got fingerprints and possibly dna, when you are looking for a murderer back in the country of brazil? you are able to escape that country and come here.

how does that happen? >> he seems to have some idea of trade craft. he mentioned through puerto rico. i do know that there was a snafu on the brazilian side of things that is unexplainable to us here. he was wanted for upwards of six months before the bell was rung that he was a fugitive. as a result he wasn't stopped where he normally would have been stopped. actually if brazil. they should have look for him in brazil and going to the airport there they should have picked him up. that didn't happen. there is no explanation as to why. those are the stories that are coming out. >> bill: you aren't talking about a guy who stole a car. >> this was a bad dude who essentially was convicted -- had an arrest warrant for him. he hadn't been tried but arrest warrant for a homicide. that's as bad as it gets. reportedly they were looking for him. if you look in some of the newspapers online and use a translator you can see some of

the reporting that is originally in portuguese and there seems to have a bureaucratic breakdown that doesn't account for why a guy they were looking for for so long was able to hit the airport with a fake i.d. and get out of the country. a hard level passport is what it argues. that's very hard to get. i don't know how he got through and into our country with a passport with a fake i.d. that passed muster. generally bogus passports don't. they have all kinds of bio metrics embedded in them that are tough to beat. >> bill: what we've been watching for the past hour and a half has been extraordinary. this is the work of police and detectives that often goes not seen by a camera, but we have watched it all. >> dana: and it's very interesting the new technology to get there as well. you brought up the point how people with ring cameras were the ones that gave police a clue as to where he was last seen and

also that he had changed his appearance. that made a big difference. paul. >> in terms of the technology, what we're hearing now they may have been using a heat sensor from above the pick him out. one of the breaks they may have gotten -- the reporting is just coming out now. we're in realtime here. the cooling of the weather. we've had some very hot days up here and that would detect the heat center. the disparity in the body temperature was picked up by the presence in the sky. >> bill: chad, are you with us, former assistant swat team leader. chad, are you there? >> yes. i'm with you. >> bill: we may have to interrupt you. give us your top line observation over the past 90 minutes. >> well, great job, great work. as you can imagine, manhunts are

the most dangerous thing we go on. the suspect has the advantage. they're already in the woods and in that area. they can hear and see you coming and even set up an ambush, which makes it the most dangerous things we go to. i love the technology that was used to bring this violent offender into custody. the thermals, the drones, the helicopters, the canines. keep in mind you have a bunch of tactical units now who have been blood, sweat and tears for the last two weeks in there and away from their family. this is exhausting for them. but i am so glad this came to a peaceful ending the way it did. >> bill: are you surprised it took 14 days? >> well, you know, like someone earlier in the show was talking about. we're talking about an area with a lot of different terrain. ways to slip through a perimeter. people think we have a perimeter. just with a little bit of common sense and being situationally aware you can sneak out of a

perimeter fairly easily. >> bill: thank you for joining us. the press conference now begins at the fire company in kenette square, pennsylvania where 35 minutes of philly. >> shortly after 8:00 a.m. our suspect was captured. i want to say first and foremost, thank god there were no injuries to law enforcement or to the public. we became deeply concerned after the suspect was able to steal a weapon. he was apprehended this morning with no shots fired. i want to say thank you to the dedicated law enforcement professionals from every level who each and every day go out of their homes, leave their families, leave their loved ones, to keep us safe. the public over the last 13 days

has had a chance to see what excellence in law enforcement means. what true, dedicated professionalism is all about. i couldn't be more proud to be standing up here today with these professionals from every level. while they did extraordinary work, we had a tremendous assist from the public here in chester county. i want to say thank you to the public for their vigilance. thank you for the constructive tips that they shared. thank you for remaining on guard. we recognize this has been a concerning and trying time for each and every one of you in the region and want to thank you for your support of law enforcement and for your support of this effort that led to this capture today. i hope the good people of pennsylvania and the folks across this nation got a chance to see how government is

supposed to work. how law enforcement is supposed to work. where we all come together, where we focus on the mission. and while women and men behind me may wear different uniforms and badges we were here with common purpose and that was to apprehend this suspect and keep people safe. leading this effort has been the pennsylvania state police. i know i will get booed by some of the folks behind me for saying this. i believe they are the finest law enforcement agency in the united states of america. i could not be more proud to be the governor of this commonwealth and have the chance to serve in public service alongside these great leaders in the pennsylvania state police. leading the effort for us is colonel christopher paris who did yeoman's work overseeing this operation together with lieutenant colonel bevins. all people in pennsylvania are indebted to you for your bravery

and leadership. it's my honor to bring up the colonel of the state police colonel christopher paris. >> thank you, governor. i would like to make a few brief comments and dedicate those comments to the victims of cavalcante and their families. at the end of the day, all of the people behind me here worked for justice and for the victims. a close second to the people of chester county, we appreciate your support and we appreciate the dedication that you have shown us and the generosity that you have shown us. we're in your debt. this was a major operation. we know that it has affected your lives and we are very much appreciative of that support. i would like to thank the governor and his support of us not only with his physical presence but his work in harrisburg on a dail