and leadership. it's my honor to bring up the colonel of the state police colonel christopher paris. >> thank you, governor. i would like to make a few brief comments and dedicate those comments to the victims of cavalcante and their families. at the end of the day, all of the people behind me here worked for justice and for the victims. a close second to the people of chester county, we appreciate your support and we appreciate the dedication that you have shown us and the generosity that you have shown us. we're in your debt. this was a major operation. we know that it has affected your lives and we are very much appreciative of that support. i would like to thank the governor and his support of us not only with his physical presence but his work in harrisburg on a daily basis.

i would like to thank the border patrol, customs, the f.b.i., the marshals, the atf, our federal partners. the chester county district attorney, ryan and her detectives. our municipal partners too numerous to mention in chester, montgomery, delaware and bucks county. we could not have done this without everyone. i would like to thank from the bottom of our hearts the members of the fire company. the media has been in and out of here. the hospitality they've shown us. logistics you need to bring to bear in on operation like this. we would have been hard pressed to do it without them being good hosts. lastly but not least to the men and women of the pennsylvania state police, thank you. thank you for your hard work and your diligence.

this is my third manhunt with lieutenant colonel bevins. it's not lost on me it was nine years to the day yesterday for an ambush. in all of those operational cycles, there is no person who enjoys more of my trust and confidence. he was tasked with standing this operation up. my confidence in him is marrow deep. he is the consummate professional and i would like to turn it over to lieutenant colonel bevins to give you the rundown of cavalcante. >> thank you, governor and thank you, colonel. it is a true pleasure to stand here this morning and talk to all of you about bringing this manhunt to successful conclusion and without getting anyone else

hurt most importantly. none of this would be possible without the support of this team represented by members of various agencies standing with us up here, by others standing throughout this fire hall, and by still more who are out there in the field. solet me give you a few details how this unfolded. as you know, we have been working most recently in a perimeter established in northern chester county. last night shortly after midnight, a series of events started to unfold. first we had a burglar alarm at a residence near priser road within the perimeter. our people investigated that. did not find cavalcante there or anyone else.

but it brought -- started to bring some of our people into that area. we had been searching an area not far from there with tactical teams that night. there was an aircraft overhead utilizing fleer technology. close to 1:00 a.m. picked up a heat signal that they began to track west of pa, 100 north of priser road. tactical teams began to converge on that location where the heat source was moving. unfortunately, we had a weather system that also came in and we had lightning that was flashing all around and it caused the aircraft to have to depart the area. tactical teams made a decision to secure that area, that smaller area as best they could

and hold ute through the storms and until we could bring additional resources in and bring aircraft back overhead to insure we did not have an issue with an escape. that resumed early this morning. shortly after 8:00 a.m., tactical teams converged on the area where the heat source was. they were able to move in very quietly. they had the element of surprise. cavalcante did not realize he was surrounded until that had occurred. that did not stop him from trying to escape. he began to crawl through thick underbrush taking his rifle with him as he went. one of the customs and border patrol teams had a dog with them. they released the dog. some of our psp members were also there and had him surrounded. the dog subdued him and team members from both of those teams immediately moved in. he continued to resist but was

forcibly taken into custody. no one was injured as a result of that. he did sustain a minor bite wound. we had medical personnel at the scene and they took a look at that. cavalcante was, as i said, taken into custody and transported to the avondale station for further processing and interview and will ultimately be transferred to a state correctional institute where he will be housed and begin to serve his life sentence. in just a few minutes i will open this up to some questions but i -- before i do that i want to turn this over to one of our close partners, district attorney deb ryan. she would like to say a few words and we'll be happy to take your questions following that. >> thank you. today is a great day here in

chester county. our nightmare is finally over and the good guys won. we owe a debt of gratitude to all of the first responders for their tireless and dedicated efforts in bringing this fugitive to justice. they worked around the clock and we are deeply grateful to all of them. our community can finally regain its normalcy and breathe a collective sigh of relief. this would not have happened without the collaboration and efforts on behalf of a multitude of agencies. i need to thank the governor, colonel paris, lieutenant colonel bevins for his dedicated leadership. f.b.i., u.s. customs and border patrol. department of emergency services, sheriff's department and every single person who went out into the field in the most

horrendous conditions. we had weather problems, we had terrain problems and a ton of obstacles that prevented our capture from occurring as expediently as we wanted. we have the best people in the business and we never lost faith that this capture would occur. we knew it was just a matter of time. the scope of this manhunt was extremely impressive. the brave men and women who went out there every single day are our heroes and i am proud to be a part of this collective team of people who worked around the clock to bring this man to justice during this monumental challenge. they utilized every piece of advance technology, dogs, drones, helicopters, every asset available was put out for this capture. i can't express our gratitude deep enough to all of them and to the community for their support. we received dozens and dozens of

donations, well wishes, and kind support there everyone in the community and we thank this firehouse for housing us. we know we disrupted their lives for a while. one of the first calls we made upon learning about this capture was to the bran dow family. they had been living in a complete nightmare. they are so grateful for the men and women who helped with his capture. they can now finally sleep again. i can't thank law enforcement enough for their efforts. thank you. >> with that we are happy to take your questions. >> we saw the arrest taking place. there was some criticism about the photo op taken with the fugitive. can you explain how that is standard procedure or what is behind that? >> i'm aware there was a photo op that was taken out there. those men and women worked

amazingly hard through some very trying circumstances. they are proud of their work. i'm not bothered by the fact they took a photograph with him in custody and proud of their work and kept the community safe. i say thanks to them and good job. >> did he say anything the moment he was captured? and release the names of the officers who were with him during the capture? >> we won't be releasing the name. in terms of anything that he said, we need to use an interpreter and he has been taken back to the station and at that point we will attempt to hear from him at the avondale station. i'm not aware of it. if he did, i don't have that information. >> you are officers were authorized to use lethal force. >> that's always our first choice and preference to -- that

option is to prevent the escape of a dangerous individual. had they not been able to contain him, that would have -- >> it was a combined group of the border patrol and psp. >> [inaudible] is that normal procedure? >> yes. >> was he in the same location >> [inaudible] >> he was proneed out. i'm told he was proneed out trying to hide and began to crawl away. >> [inaudible] >> it was in that close proximity to that, yes. >> [inaudible] >> no one was assisting him at that point. >> [inaudible] >> that was the dea.

it was a fixed wing aircraft. >> were you worried that law enforcement that there could be another chance for escape? the plane had to land. what kind -- >> as i've told you throughout this investigation, there are always things we have to contend with. everything isn't scripted and doesn't go perfectly. so it is another challenge. worried isn't the word i would use. we simply had to adapt and so we secured that inner perimeter while always keeping our outer perimeter secure so if he managed to get out of the inner we would box him in yet again. >> what kind of adversary was he? >> i don't know he was particularly skilled. he was desperate. i have said that all along. you have an individual whose choice is go back to prison and spend the rest of your life in a place you don't want to be or continue to try and evade

capture. he chose the evade capture. he was in good shape, obviously able to climb as you saw to get out of prison. but ultimately as i said all along, we had an amazing team assembled here. capabilities that are just very formidable. i was confident he would be captured and ultimately this team. i credit all of them for bringing together their experience, resources and being able to apply that and capture him. it is never easy to find someone who doesn't want to be found in a very large area. >> previously you said you would reserve comment on anybody helping him throughout the search. no one helped him this morning. did he receive -- >> there were people who were intent and intended to assist him. we have been successful to the best of my knowledge, we have been successful in preventing

that assistance from reaching him. >> was that his sister? >> yes. >> there was some criticism from the public it was stretching on. do you consider this anything other than a success? >> absolutely a success. i have to tell you, by and large the public stayed amazingly supportive. i had some third grade students stop by yesterday and drop off letters and notes of support for all of these responders. we put them out for them to see at briefing time and things. that's the kind of support we saw from this community. there will always be criticism and people who think they can do the job better. they are entitled to that opinion. what i would tell you i put my faith in this group of experts, this group of seasoned law enforcement professionals that dedicated men and women not only of the pennsylvania state police but of all the other partner agencies who went out there every day. i put my money on them any day of the week and i believe the

community supported them and continues to. >> we'll be discussing with the district attorney what if any charges will be filed. for right now again there is commitment and he is going to begin serving his life sentence at a state correctional institution. she is in the deportation proceedings. that will proceed as had been initiated. >> [inaudible]. >> just the clothing and things he was wearing. he have did not have an opportunity to. >> how many officers were on the ground. >> i don't have an exact number. looking at the teams we were sending in the immediate vicinity was probably 20 to 25. >> tell us more about the 20 to

25 looked like. >> they were a tactical team. customs and border patrol out of el paso and pennsylvania state police special emergency response team. >> [inaudible]. they are on the ground and quietly moving into place. >> from that point probably five minutes it played out fairly quickly once they had identified him and moved in. he detected them at that point once they were already in position and he started to crawl away. it played out quickly then. >> what is the greatest lesson from that 14-day manhunt? >> i don't know there is any single lesson. i will tell you i learned something from all of these and as i told you before i bring that experience to the next one.

so i just go back to it's all about the team. it is about assembling the right group of people, the right technology. people with can do attitudes who stick with you through the investigation. that's what we did and it worked well for us in the past and i'm sure will work well for us in the future. >> [inaudible] >> the reason i'm not going to talk about that as i mentioned, we'll be discussing with the district attorney whether there will be any additional charges. i don't expect there will be. in that aspect. we want to have that discussion before we disclose anything else. >> [inaudible] >> no, i think he stopped because his normal pattern was to travel in the late evening,

early or overnight hours. whether he got tired or whatever normally if he typically didn't travel then later at night and typically did not travel during the day unless we pushed him. we had several instances of that where he was pushed and had to move but he doesn't have night vision or anything like that. type of tech noll gill our operators had out there. traversing rugged terrain is difficult to do. i believe it was just easier for him to do in the late evening hours and late afternoon. i believe that's what -- it was a scalp wound. i'm told there was not any significant injury. >> [inaudible] . >> no, all along we asked people

to secure as best they could. unfortunately, he was still able to acquire some of those things. again, those are just some of the challenges we deal with in an investigation like this. our people rise to the challenges and ultimately again he was captured. >> i know you led the effort also in july earlier this year when that person escaped. it was a chocolate lab that led to his arrest and you are talking about a canine moving in and disabling cavalcante. can you just talk about the -- having canines and their use and how much of an asset they are when you are trying to navigate tough terrain and track down dangerous people? >> in the case of tucker he was a civilian. we deputized and brought him in. he is now an honorary member of psp. a lab.

he was not involved in this. >> what kind of dog was this? >> i believe it was a shepherd or belgian. in any event, canines play a very important role not only for tracking but also for just in a circumstance like this, safely capturing someone far better than we're able to release a patrol dog like this and have them subdue the individual than have to use lethal force. so again our preference is always to use other means, canines play a very important role. >> for those of us who watched -- tell us more about where he was, in front of a commercial building. >> he was in a wooded area west of pa100.

>> do you know how he was getting nourishment >> that will be part of the interview we'll attempt to do. whether he talks to us or not is entirely up to him. it will be something that we'll be asking. >> at this juncture -- [inaudible] >> i don't have that list of those locations. i know he did a variety of jobs installing flooring but i don't have the specific list of work locations. >> how long will he be at the avondale barracks? zblo for us to process him and how long an interview lasts with him. i don't expect it to be a very extended period of time. at that point he will be transported to an sci. >> any concern he would team up with another small man? >> no. >> the actual encounter with the dog. did the dog tackle him, bite

him? >> again, i didn't see the specific capture. what i would tell you the way the dogs are trained is to simply go to the person, they will grab whatever is closest for them to grab and then they are trained to detain that individual. they don't just keep biting and releasing or trying to cause additional injury. they simply grab onto and try and hold that person in place until officers can get there. so that's why they are never released. at some great distance or unsupervised. there are officers close by rah can move in and the handler pull the dog back off. and then officers take over from there. >> what was the dog's name? >> i don't have the name. >> [inaudible] >> not that i'm aware of. >> border patrol, are they here?

talk about the expertise of border patrol being here to make that arrest? what is your experience and how that made -- if you could step up? >> sure. border patrol is trained in tracking and pursuing. from the time an agent comes on duty assigned to this southwest border they get lots of experience tracking and trailing people. and then with our technology and other resources that just aids in the searches like this one. border patrol is assigned to the northern border and southwest border. we have training and experience in all types of terrain. >> what did you do here? >> we assisted the state and federal and local partners with our resources, whether

performing observation at night, searches during the day, searches during the night and obviously we had our tactical teams here. >> [inaudible]. the obvious pressures from outside. >> we had a job to do and that was to capture cavalcante. i had the absolute best teamworking on this. i'm proud to be associated with the pennsylvania state police and all the law enforcement leaders who were behind me, federal, state and local. we knew we had the best and knew as colonel bevins said multiple times he was desperate and just a matter of time. i couldn't be more proud of them and i want to come back to two questions over here that are related to mr. holden's

question. one was about the assets we deployed beyond the people. i hope that the public takes great pride in the technology and the canines and in all of the assets that were brought to bear here. we ask a lot of the public through their tax dollars to support the police, to support law enforcement at every level. and they got a front row seat here in chester county and across pennsylvania to see the extraordinary work not only these individuals do but the great technology we're able to bring to bear to ultimately capture dangerous suspects like this. the public should take great pride in that. then to the gentleman's question in the suit, whoever had their eagles hoodie stolen if you could less us know i will get you a new kelly green one. >> two different individuals from the same prison in the same year. what do you say to people who live in this area? what is happening at the chester county prison and what are you guys going to do moving forward

to try and prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again? >> here in pennsylvania our system may be different from other states. we have state correctional institutions and then we have county jails. in this case the chester county jail is run by chester county officials. they'll answer those questions as to what occurred and what changes will ultimately be made. certainly the state department of corrections will be here to assist in any reviews or in any other work that they need done to make sure that that facility is secured. they obviously have a lot of work to do there. i am confident with the leadership of chairwoman moskowitz and district attorney and other leaders in the county they'll get that done. >> it is estimated the cost of the manhunt is a million a day? >> i can't put a price tag on it. we'll do our best to make sure that whatever can be tallied up is and shared with the public at the state level. i can't speak for local and

federal partners. >> you mentioned the pattern of what time of day he would travel. any other patterns you picked up on that were key in tracking him? >> there were a number of things that we picked up on and he didn't follow the same pattern every single time. he seemed to like to travel via creek beds. he liked other paths of less resistance, wood lines, power lines, gas lines, that type of thing. and that's actually fairly normal. nobody wants to have to force their way through very heavy underbrush and things. and again i mentioned the time of day. but all of that combined with some outstanding work and technology is really what brought this to a successful conclusion. >> grateful for your efforts.

i know you mentioned on friday he were asked about detainment and captured. it was successful. anyone you want to thank at this time. any small businesses you would like to thank and people of chester county? >> i will tell you we have been compiling a list. i don't want to stand here right now. i will absolutely miss many. some of those that you mentioned have been outstanding supporters of us and i thank them. we will publish a list of all who helped us out because we are very, very appreciative. that level of support is really one of the things that allows our people to focus on the task at hand and to, you know, try to be successful even quicker than we might otherwise have to be. when i gave you a tour of the facility in here, i talked a lot about logistics and the support required to field a team of 300

to 500 law enforcement officers out there takes a lot to put it out there. and so the help of all of those folks, the help of the average person who stopped by and dropped off a case of water. it was very much appreciated. not only for the case of water, but also just for the kind thoughts and words of support that they always included when they dropped that off. >> detained and captured -- >> as i said, we always take a multi-faceted approach and depending on the circumstances, there is always a contingency and prepared to move in whatever direction we need to. >> were officers wearing body cameras? >> i don't believe any officers on the tactical teams had them on. >> [inaudible].

>> it was a dea fixed wing aircraft. we were operating in several townships there. it was north of priser and west of pa100. >> where were you when it happened and do you have a personal feeling of satisfaction for 14 days of very long, hard work. how does it feel for you this morning? >> i was here in the command post when the capture occurred and yes, i'm very happy that this occurred and that no one was injured. it brought a new level of danger for our people in the field when we knew that he obtained a firearm. so for me, the biggest sense of relief is that no one in the community was harmed and no law enforcement officer was harmed, either. that's really the win. >> [inaudible] >> i believe he was more mobile the entire time. >> [inaudible].

>> bill: we aren't releasing that. it will be a state correctional facility and once he is secure there, i believe they will release where he is being housed. >> you said that multiple people attempted to help them. did they have a means of -- >> he did not at the time we captured him. >> [inaudible]. >> well, as i addressed a few minutes ago, yes, he had the firearm with him. yes, he was a threat. he did not have an opportunity, i believe he was taken by surprise. and i believe the canine played a large role in him not being able to utilize that firearm. what i will tell you is again that it is our last choice, our last preference to use lethal force. and so while there were other

options, the team did the responsible thing, did what they are trained and what we expect and they used other options and again lethal force is always the last option. >> what kinds of information are you trying to get from him while you question him? >> we have the criminal investigators that have been involved in this. everything from the escape up through the time that he has been on the run. i'm sure all of that will be included in their list of questions. whether he will choose to talk i have no idea and that will be his choice. >> can you guarantee the public this man will not escape again? he has the ability to do that. can you say that now? >> i can assure you he will not escape while in our custody. he will be turned over to a state correctional institution and every confidence they will safely and securely house him as well. >> was he in the perimeter you outlined yesterday? >> he was.

>> it was within the perimeter and a few hundred yards of the eastern edge of the perimeter. >> the public being involved. video surfacing on vigilantes trying to get involved. if something like this happens again what would you tell the public in regards to getting involved in a case like this? >> i would ask them the same thing as this time. don't get out and try to become involved like that. you take away resources that would otherwise be spent on the search trying to deal with those individuals and we don't want one of them to get hurt unintentionally. >> how far was the capture from where the burglary happened last night? >> within a quarter mile. it wasn't a burglary. it was an alarm, by the way. >> any idea, ballpark -- >> it depends on whether he is cooperative or interviewed.

it could take minutes or hours. i don't have the answer yet. >> does he have a lawyer? >> i'm not aware of that. >> do we know if his sister and mother entered through puerto rico as well? >> i don't believe his mother is here. i don't have that information immediately available here about where they entered. as i said, his sister is in the process of being deported now. >> do you have more questions? >> everything that you've been through with cavalcante, once the interpreter is there do you ask him anything about in? >> no, the investigators are quite confident they will gather the information that we believe is important if they are able to and i'm confident that everything we need will be gathered in that way. there is no reason for me to have a personal discussion with him. it's a bad idea, obviously and we will be here should something

like this occur again. we'll put the team back together and we'll be right back out after them. okay, thank you all. >> thank you, everybody. [applause] >> bill: what a morning this has been already and huge relief for those who live in southeastern pennsylvania. here is what we just learned, dana. no shots fired. they described him as desperate. choosing to evade capture. that was obvious. around midnight last night a thermal imaging plane from the department of -- drug enforcement agency picked up his heat signal on the ground and then bad weather rolled in including lightning. planes can't fly then. had to peel out and get away. but between the border patrol out of el paso, texas, and the pennsylvania state police, they were able to find him, dogs subdued him, he resisted and five minutes later they described the wool thing as

being over quote, there were people intent on helping him and we prevented that. but this whole idea about this border tactical unit out of el paso, texas, a very intriguing piece to this puzzle in pennsylvania. >> dana: a huge number of resources. the asked the governor there was about a million dollars a day? he didn't want to get into that for understandable reasons. that could be a wrong number. it was probably around there at least. so you had everybody there today thanking each other and congratulating each other. a long two weeks. >> a long two weeks and a lot of questions. he is in a holding facility now and transported at some point today and the interview will happen. how much he will say as the gentleman there just described, we don't know. back with us still nichole parker, former f.b.i., chad

airs, ted williams and joe and paul mauro. paul, to you first. they got their guy. took 14 days but it is over. >> they did. just so people realize what goes on behind the scenes a little bit. there is an etiquette to press conferences. these people have been living together living and dying with everything that happens. a round robin that happens. why was the d.a. at the lectern, why did she get remarks? remember something. the possibility of other crimes. also you may need the d.a. at some point to get an emergency search warrant, things like that. the other thing i would point out there will be an investigation here. that investigation as we heard, people tried to help him. it was blocked. those people going to be charged? even in the prison there is a possibility of an investigation. we saw as he frog walks up the wall there is another prisoner in the lower right in that video

that he might be a lookout. will he be charged with abetting the escape. they'll look at all the stuff. that's stuff on the back end. main thing is get your guy and they did. >> dana: ted williams. one of the things they said they utilized a canine unit they brought him down without a shot being fired. >> yeah, dana, i have to tell you and bill this was an all hands on deck operation here. you had the dea in that aircraft that was able to use the thermal heat seeking equipment. had the border patrol there, you had the local and state police and you had a canine dog that helped to bring this killer to justice. i am elated. and this is something that the public needs to see how law enforcement work together as they did in this instance here,

to bring this killer to justice. and they used patience and put the pressure that they needed on in that area to bring this killer to justice this morning. i'm happy. i'm elated as to what we have seen here with law enforcement and this is the reason, that when our public see law enforcement out there, they need to take their hat off and thank these men and women who put their lives on the line each and every day for all of us. >> bill: thank you, ted. stand by. joe joins our conversation as well. i guess the stunning thing to me, joe, is using this border patrol special unit out of el paso, texas. that shows you maybe not a sign of desperation, but how difficult the job was. and if you listen to colonel

bevins, he was relieved and very tired. some of the answers are largely satisfactory. there are still questions out there. are we going to need to call on border tactical units for situations like this? >> i have think the fact that they are available and their expertise can be used is an asset to anybody. i don't care where i had to bring somebody in from if they had the expertise to get this dangerous criminal in custody, so be it. you know, all fairness to the colonel there. he is steadfast this whole time. he let out the information that needed to be let out to keep the safety of the public was paramount to him and safety of his officers and he let out just the information needed to get this information into custody while not giving away their tactical advantage. the fact they had dea up in the air and able to use the thermal

imaging. you had heat, which hot days you couldn't use it. now you had a cooling down period to use it. it came into play when they needed it and stayed in position ready to use the assets. the canine is a key component in this. canines are only as effective as their handlers are and as the environment allows. this canine officer sent him in. one bite is tremendous. take him into custody. so many components. as paul said now it will take -- settle down and they will go back into who helped him, who abetted him in the prison or outside the prison if anybody. the d.a. can start giving the warrants to do the job to stop it from happening in the few you are. will he be labeled high risk they will have to watch him and who he associates with in the prisons. >> dana: one of the questions was what lesson did the colonel

take away? he wasn't sure yet. there were many. if you had a chance to look at this from what we know now, what would you say a good answer to that is? >> i think the lesson is something we all know. it takes time and perseverance. i cannot praise this border patrol unit enough from el paso. i'm not sure if it was the same team in uvalde. i'm assuming it is the same team that assisted in the uvalde school shooting. they talked about the team from the pennsylvania police. the highest trained tactical units. everyone saw them in camouflage. they have everything, haar more and the highest trained in all of law enforcement. i think our country has seen such disdain for law enforcement over the few years.

this is the time to back law enforcement. it is only as effective as the elected officials. you had a governor there that had full support for law enforcement. the question how much they've spent. i can tell you based on my personal opinion it is millions spent for this takedown. and in the canine, i've been in take downs where the canine is the one that comes in using less than lethal force is always the first option. i have accompanied criminals to hospitals where they have the handcuffs strapped to the hospital bed because a canine chewed their leg. if you don't want to cooperate with law enforcement, less than lethal force is the way to go. we are in awe that there was no shooting. the canine is the hero of this operation. and we cannot underestimate the training of those canines. the effectiveness of the handler of the canine. that is a team effort.

that canine, they are the hero. >> bill: kudos to the democratic governor for tipping his hat to law enforcement. that was a stand-up move there. the border patrol tactical unit. viewers will hear a lot about it. was first founded back in 1984 and doing terrific work at the southern border and they patrol the northern border as well. they are exposed to every measure of terrain you can imagine here in the u.s. to chad, former assistant swat team leader, your $0.02 as we take in the news and the relief that southwestern pennsylvania can go back to living again and kids in school can go back to the classroom. >> obviously there is so much involved here. like the governor said and colonel said, what i love is outside agencies, internal state agencies working together for the same cause.

this disrupt community, schooling, businesses and the mental strain on law enforcement there as well. they came together, they used all these resources that they had. with different technology. i know we talk about the canine but we also need to keep in mind the outside assets as well that were used. the community giving tips, things like that. but again i know i keep harping on this but the toll this takes on those tactical units. these officers are wearing 60 pounds of gear, helmets, gear and their minds are focused the entire time on staying safe and apprehending this person. there is a mental and physical toll taken on these swat operators. >> dana: paul, one of the things that we know about him is he came into the united states illegally through puerto rico. we have a very serious border crisis on our hands, the biden border policies have left things pretty wide open. we know there have been several

known people captured who were on the terrorism watch list. that doesn't include the people who got away. >> bill: 146 last count. >> dana: that we know of. that doesn't include convicted criminals and people who are fleeing justice in their own countries coming across our border and melting into society here. i'm not sure there is a good question that i have or a good answer. just an observation here look at the resources that this took and solving this problem at its source before he or someone like him gets here seems like a better place to put our resources. >> you make an excellent point. consider something. they look for this guy. they need help. we saw this after 9/11. we had agencies from all over. we got through 9/11 anniversary. we had cops coming from indian reservations. what people don't realize is when you have a special event like something like this and you

have to put your resources into that, all the stuff that the police departments normally do has to go by the wayside a little bit and you need help. at some point during this thing a phone call was made to any assistance they could get. somebody up the chain in the feds say i will release this money and get the guys up there and dea and respective agencies. they had to okay it. think about the cost of having these folks in the field. where do they sleep? who is going to feed them? you have these very concerns and you have to account for all those. it becomes very expensive. you are right, we should be able to handle this thing in a way that it never gets to that point. here is one of the reasons. when you have an illegal person like this guy come into the country, even though he has been here for a bit. no footprint. we're dealing with it here in new york city. we have a migrant crisis going on. if you were born and raised here and naturalized or whatever,

there will be a paper trail regarding you. we'll know stuff about you. on the other hand, you get arrested in times square tomorrow and you got arrested last week we don't know anything about you. are you part of a gang, running something for the cartel? you are a complete clean skin. it makes things very hard for law enforcement. a lot of what you do is retrospective what you have on your hands here. that's one of the reasons ex aly what you are talking about. i'm not migrants commit any more crimes than average but it makes it tougher. >> bill: remarkable thing over the past 24 hours. new york city mayor is going after the white house without mentioning the president by name. his criticism is out there. yesterday the white house returned fire saying the people in new york are doing a bad job and dispatched dozens of people to give them advice. extraordinary thing. back to nate foye. where are you and what have you heard from the locals with this

now concluding? >> the locals are thrilled. they keep walking by. they are very excited. we see a lot of people honk their car horns, cheering law enforcement as they pull out of the search perimeter. definitely a sigh of relief. the manhunt is a story of attrition and a lot of luck on cavalcante's part that ran out. you think back to the original crab walk prison escape where the tower officer has been fired for failing to see or report that escape. keep in mind that happened on labor day weekend. a lot of people weren't in their homes and we know the pennsylvania state police are investigating at least two burglaries and know he has broken into homes. so perhaps that helped him get his supplies. then breaching that search perimeter south of here he finds the keys in the van at the dairy farm. that's a big break. he comes to where we are right

now, a bit farther north about 20 miles and it was super hot. every single day temperatures in the mid 90s and you mentioned earlier how that possibly impacted the thermal imaging. then last night the alarm goes off, state troopers already have a lot of -- a big presence there. they bring in the helicopters with the thermal imaging and see him an hour later at 1:00 a.m. and then he gets another fortunate break with the bad weather that forces the aviation units to pull out. but he ran out of luck ultimately as they were able to continue tracking him and then bring in those ground teams just after 8:00 a.m. this morning and able to bring him in alive. i think a lot of people here are surprised by that considering the past day everyone has been on edge knowing that he broke into that garage and stole that rifle. just yesterday when we were reporting, we heard three loud

bangs. a neighbor came running out and yelled to the state trooper that she heard shots fired. troopers investigating that and trying to determine the source of those noises. and they haven't connected that to cavalcante. but that just -- i tell you that to express how on edge everyre every little noise you heard once you knew he was armed, but even before knowing he was in this area. this community is so relieved that this is finally over. you mentioned kids can go back to school and the impacts of this two week manhunt are finally over. >> bill: nate. thanks. good work. you've been there from the beginning. nate foye watching every twist and turn. >> dana: there is a reporter who will be glad to be in his own bed tonight. >> bill: back to nichole parker for what we've witnessed over the past two hours and 20

minutes. nichole, you don't want to have a breakdown in a prison like this. you don't want to have a breakdown in a prison twice. but it happened. so you go back and you do your assessments and you conclude what to make sure something like this does not happen again? >> well, i think the first thing we understand is that the corrections officer on duty has been fired. that's the obvious first solution. but again it's entirely inexcusable. two escapes within a three-month period is not okay. they made the differentiation. this is more of like a holding area before he was entered into state prison. we have to remember that he had just been sentenced that morning, okay? he had just been told that morning that he escaped that he was going to be if jail for the rest of his life with no parole and extremely desperate and he had no regard for human life to

stay put. we just cannot have errors in the jail systems. look how much time, money, resources, fear, ptsd of the community now. that family where he was flickering the light and now scared to go to sleep. the damage it's done cannot be reversed. we're just grateful there was a safe apprehension. but again they have to go in and do a full investigation. anyone that was conspiring to help this individual to escape. but again the corrections officers in that facility itself, that's too much of a risk to know look, we're waiting to put him into the state prison system but while you're waiting you may escape. inexcusable and every county jail needs to check their protocols today and make sure you don't have those errors in your system. this should never happen anywhere in the united states. >> bill: were you finished? >> yeah, just one other thing,

too. on paul's note about how he was from brazil. this is why it is so important that we close our southern border. you have an open border right now on the south region of the united states. there are probably individuals like cavalcante passing through that border every single hour. we cannot have this open border in our country. we have got to stop that. they are very difficult to track and we don't know who we are letting into our country and that is dangerous. extremely dangerous. >> bill: for two years we were the only network reporting on that story. >> dana: still are. >> bill: joe, same question to you. >> well, you know, what nichole and paul said is so important because until we have any information about the ones that are crossing the border, the unknown factor will haunt us for a long time. it will be years to come. they are just settling down. look at the one we had in new york city who committed five

crimes, right? finally they realizing there are amongst us now. the finger pointing will continue back and forth. but as nichole said i think a revamp of these criminal justice systems across the board will have to come into play right now especially with the county jails. this guy should have been put into an area where he didn't have any access until he was moved. he was a dangerous individual. the fact that brazil had him on the radar and didn't let us know they have to be held accountable for that as well. once again, bill, we're only as effective as the tools that are given to us in law enforcement. it seems a lot of people are still hell bent on taking the tools away from law enforcement instead of increasing the tools that we need to do the job. and the right personnel in the right positions is key, politics, law enforcement and it goes across the board. i think people will look at this and say wait a minute, you know, maybe we should take a back step and stop this nonsense of

fighting with the police and assist the police. they worked out textbook in this case where the public came across and said this guy is doing this and that and that's the help you need from the public. >> bill: your point on brazil, he was a wanted man in that country going back to 2017. apparently it was easy as getting a fake passport to come through puerto rico and get here. should it be that simple? >> it is that simple. that's the problem. it's that simple that they can cross our border and just get into this country and once they're here, finding them is a whole new animal in law enforcement. it just makes the challenges that much harder for us. but the fact that they are able to get into this country and this is just one. how many more cavalcantes are out there that we don't know about? are we going to find out about them when incidents like this happen or start finding out about other home invasions where the prints are starting to tie

into other cases? that's the only way we know. they are here and nobody knows about them. it is a big challenge and a big challenge in the years to come. >> dana: paul, as we are almost at the end of the show i'm wondering we started the show talking about how you have had experience of having somebody that is convicted of a crime here but is also an illegal alien and could be deported. knowing what you know now over the course of the couple of hours as that sinks through should america keep him or send him back to brazil? >> if you could be assured back in brazil he will go to jail, you know, obviously let them take care of his care and feeding, right? i had a couple of cases. one the guy was getting deported to algeria. i have no way of knowing if the algerians will keep him in jail for the 20 year sentence. that decision is actually made by the bureau of prisons. the prison folks who give that the green light and say we can

get this guy. especially if he is trouble they'll say we don't want to deal with this guy. let him be somebody else's problem. to joe's point. we will see more and more of these. so that question that you asked, dana, very perceptive. we'll ask ourselves this going forward regularly. where is this guy from? he has a passport from paraguay. we have him in jail now. can you be assured he will face justice? where do we deport him to? >> calling them a clean skin, somebody you don't know anything about their background. prints don't come back to anything. not in our system. you don't know what you have. these days, these organizations trans national. just with a cell phone you can call the other side of the world. it is very -- all law enforcement now is global. >> bill: how about a simple

fingerprint to prevent him? >> 90 seconds left. want to get a final comment from chad and ted. >> bill, i think what we'll have to do here and i think citizens are going to of to learn and adapt. any time one of these escapes take place they can learn from what took place here. now as it pertains to deporting this guy. i don't believe we should deport him. we should leave him in jail here. he goes back to brazil and he may be if jail for 5, 6 years or maybe no time at all or a few months. the thing about it is, i think what we need to do is keep him here. he has a life sentence without the possibility of parole. i think that is good. but we need to learn and adapt. >> bill: chad. you have 20 seconds, my friend. >> well again we've said it over and over this morning. a serious issue with the southern border.

we have to keep the american people safe. the only way we do that is locking down this border and having great law enforcement there to enforce that law. >> bill: thank you, chad. former assistant swat team leader. >> dana: a wonderful panel of guests today. thank you all. thank you, everybody. the coverage continues on "the faulkner focus." here she is. >> harris: breaking news, that escaped killer captured after evading police for 14 days. we're learning so much more about the story particularly the part that includes deportation. is that even on the table? if it is not, why isn't it on the table? i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus." cavalcante fled prison back on august