administration reengage, if it would be possible with the jcpoa. >> well, we wanted it to be possible. i mean, my goodness. the first couple years of this ade worked hard to get us back into the jcpoa and iran keep larding up the negotiations with things that had nothing to do with their nuclear program and we realized the futility of the effort. so we stopped putting energy and effort into it. all around the time that they were whipping and beating female protestors so we held them accountable for that, that was a significant moment as well. look, the president has been very consistent that we want to make sure they never achieve a nuclear weapons capability. he would prefer, vastly prefer to do that through diplomacy, not a viable option. >> what is the administration's goal, is it to defeat russia, or is it ultimately to seek some sort of negotiations settlement? >> man, i don't know how many times i've answered this question in the last year and a

half and we have been very consistent. we want to see ukraine succeed on the battlefield, get all their territory back, sovereignty respected, no russian troops inside ukraine, we want to see the war end. and it could end today, obviously if mr. putin would do the right thing and get the hell out. that's clearly not going to happen right now, so we will provide ukraine with the capabilities to be successful. >> hold-up of military appointments, what is the tangible damage done to the military by a hold-up on appointments of military officers. >> i can't say it any better than the leaders of dod, you have more than 300 generals and admirals who are frozen, can't move, which means that in many cases, literally hundreds of cases you have officers that are doing two jobs, two big jobs while they are still trying to maintain readiness and readiness

is starting to get affected by this. >> cnn is reporting elizabeth whelan, the sister of paul arrested in russia in 2018, is in washington and wants to meet with the president. >> she is in town and is going to be meeting with white house officials. it will be a good opportunity for us to update her on our efforts to get paul back and those efforts are very active and very ongoing. >> thank you, karine. thanks, everybody. >> darlene, good to see you. feel like it's been a while, maybe. >> maybe. >> will the president cooperate fully now that speaker mccarthy has pulled the trigger on an impeachment inquiry? >> so, i'm going to refer you to my colleagues over at the counsel's office on any specifics to the inquiry.

certainly not going to speculate on what has been baseless inquiry that the house republicans can't even really defend themselves and many house republicans have said they could not support their own votes. so again, i'm going to refer you to my white house counsel on specifics. >> sorry, and the speech tomorrow he's going to maryland. why is he going to maryland, blue state instead of maybe a red state to talk about his economic policies? >> so, not going to get -- you heard jared, the chair of cea talk specifically about the economy, speak specifically about a major speech, a major speech the president is going to do tomorrow on bidenomics, you have heard us talk about bidenomics and we believe has turned the economy around not just from us, but the data we have seen and a president who has been very clear. he wants to see an economy that is built from the bottom up, middle out, and not the trickle down economy that congressional

republicans want to continue to do. not going to get into -- i'll say this. the president, it does not matter where the president decides to give a speech. for him, it is an opportunity to speak directly to the american people and that's what you are going to see him do. and you know, whether it's in maryland, in a red state, the president always takes those opportunities incredibly important, not just to speak in front of all of you who report on what he's doing to say and how he's engaging with the american people, but directly to them as well, and so in this case location is not -- doesn't matter. he wants to give a really important speech, a major speech as you heard us coin us on bidenomics and i think it's important, what's important is that the american people are going to hear from the president about an issue that matters to them which is the economy and how he continues to make sure he's doing everything he can to lower costs for the american people and to continue to build an economy that leaves no one behind and i think that's what

matters for tomorrow. >> on impeachment, you just mentioned house republicans baseless claims. how confident are you that there will be no evidence that incriminates president biden in hunter's business dealings as it goes forward. >> a bit of a laydown, i think it's important. any specifics to the inquiry, i want to say at the top as i said to darlene, refer you to my colleagues at the counsel's office. but i want to be clear about a couple of things. i just talked about bidenomics, just talked about what the president is going to do tomorrow really deliver a major speech, something that the american people want to hear about. what are we doing to improve their lives, work on the economy. and these are real, real issues, real priorities for americans. and like i said, like lowering costs. what you see republicans in congress, right, they have spent all year investigating the president. that's what they have spent all year doing. and have turned up with no evidence, none, that he did anything wrong.

i mean that, is what we have heard over and over again from their almost year-long investigation. and that's because the president didn't do anything wrong. even house -- even house republicans have said, have said the evidence does not exist. house republicans have said that to my friend in the back who just yelled out, incredibly inappropriate, but house republicans have said there doesn't -- it doesn't exist. their own investigation have actually debunked their ridiculous attacks, and the only reason speaker mccarthy is doing this is doing this political stunt and we have seen it, you all have reported, is because marjorie taylor green threatened to shut down the government, can you imagine shutting down the government over a political stunt and talking about vital programs that american families need, and she said that because she wanted him to actually do this and if he didn't, she would

shut down the government. and matt gaetz as well threatened to oust him as speaker. he did not put it up for a vote, because he knows even his own members are not going to support this. why we call it baseless, i called it baseless, because they have said themselves that there is no evidence. there -- the evidence does not exist, and this is a political stunt. but here's the thing, i say this all the time. we look forward to working with republicans in a bipartisan way to actually deal with issues that matter to americans, real issues that matter to americans, not baseless effort that they have continuing to do, that shows no evidence. >> given that, will the president still be able to work with house republicans, including speaker mccarthy to avert a shutdown? >> look, the shutdown should not happen, that is congress's job to avoid a shutdown. i have said over and over again here at this podium for the past

couple of minutes. their basic duty is to keep the government open. we have already agreed, we have agreed there was a bipartisan agreement on how to move forward with the budget that they voted on. and so look, they should, a deal is a deal, they should keep their word and keep the government open. >> you just brought up the lack of a vote. does the white house view this impeachment inquiry as legitment, given there has not been a vote to open it? >> so, nancy, i appreciate the question. i actually -- from what i just laid out, republicans have made it clear just how illegitimate this is. they have made that very clear. this is an entire exercise of how to do this in an illegitimate way. and again, it's a political stunt and it is going after the

president politically, not about the truth, there is no truth here, and so we think they should work with us on legitimate issues, things that actually matter to the american people, and that's what they want to see. that's what the american people want to see. we are going to talk about bidenomics, you will hear from the president speak to that directly in a few minutes, the president is convening his cabinet to talk about an issue that matters to the american people, about saving lives, what else we can do to deal with cancer across the country. and you know, that's what we believe. >> if you don't view it as legitimate, does that mean the white house does not believe it needs to comply with requests that come as a result of this inquiry? >> i'm going to let the counsel's office, my colleagues there speak to this directly as to when it comes to cooperating. i'm going to let them speak to that, i've been very clear. we believe certainly not going to speculate on any base, on

baseless accusations, right, as we have seen from the republicans in the house. and so again, they could not even support their own votes. they couldn't. speaker mccarthy could not even get support for this vote. and so i'm going to leave it there. >> has the president had a chance to speak with speaker mccarthy about the looming shutdown and potential ways out of -- >> i don't have any conversations the president has had with the speaker. i can say definitely our omb director here and also the leg affairs office have been in direct communications for the past several weeks, even months, with members in congress. that's going to continue. the president is, you know, continues to have conversations with members in the house and the senate regularly. i just don't have a specific conversation to read out. >> would the white house consider renegotiating the agreement it struck with speaker

mccarthy earlier this year? >> here is the thing. a deal is a deal. like, they voted on this. they voted on this. it was a bipartisan deal and you know, they should move forward with what they agreed on. it was voted in the house, in the senate, and republicans voted for this, democrats voted for this, so i don't see the issue here. they should move forward with this. >> karine, can you describe how president biden reacted to the impeachment decision by the speaker? >> i don't have anything to share about the president's reaction to this. all i can tell you, the president's focus on the american people, hard working american people, you'll see him in a few minutes when he speaks to his cancer cabinet and then you'll certainly hear from him tomorrow with the bidenomics. >> a couple things, the deal the republicans are now not supporting, obviously impeachment, you say you look forward, or the white house looks forward to working with the republicans. how do you see that happening,

how does president biden plan to work with speaker mccarthy? >> so look, for the past two years we have gotten -- this president has gotten a lot of criticism in not being able to work in a bipartisan way with republicans on the other side of pennsylvania. i mean, we have heard that over and over and over again and he has been able to do that. and as you know, the political climate is tough. we are in a different political climate, probably one that we have not seen in this -- in this fashion for some time. and the president has been able to do that. he's been able to push incredibly key historic pieces of legislation that's going to change the lives of americans. when you think about the bipartisan infrastructure law, chips and science act, you think about the pact act, all important pieces of legislation, and that's just a few. there's been hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pieces of legislation that have been done in a bipartisan way that the president has signed this past two years. it can still be done, really

truly can. we are talking about this moment in time, right, that we are seeing from congress, of course we are going to call it out, of course we are going to ask as it relates to certainly the budget, they need to do their jobs and so we have seen it over and over again this president has been able to do things in a bipartisan way and let's not forget, one of the things that we saw from the midterm results in 2022 is that americans want to see us do this, working in a bipartisan way so we deal with their -- with their key issues that they are having. bidenomics is so important tomorrow, the president will speak certainly fully about that, and lay out what his administration has done and going to continue to do, and that's what we are going to focus on. >> briefly on another topic, i saw the president statement about libya expressing condolences. does the united states have plans to send more money, more help to the people there? >> a couple of things i want to share, as you mentioned, a tweet

that went out, so deepest condolences to all the families who have lost loved ones in the devastating floods in libya, and certainly the earthquake in morocco, these are difficult times and the united states sent emergency funds to relief organizations in libya and we will also send disaster assistance response to the region, initial $1 million to support libyan efforts. in the hours following the earthquake, we deployed a small assessment team to morocco and we are making available up to $1 million in initial humanitarian assistance to support people in the areas most affected by the earthquake and its aftershocks. obviously and certainly the united states stands by the libyan and moroccan people and wishing them a speedy refer to those injured and certainly sending our hope to all those who are missing loved ones. it is certainly a difficult time in that region and we are here to help.

>> on impeachment, does the president or the white house more broadly plan to comply with requests for information from house republicans as part of the impeachment inquiry? >> i have stated inquiries something the counsel, my -- my colleagues at the white house counsel certainly will deal with and any specifics i would refer you to them. >> suggested that there's no evidence to back up republicans -- >> which is true. not suggesting it, it's actually a fact. >> if they are seeking information. >> that is something the white house counsel will deal with and it's not a suggestion, it's an actual fact. when you have republicans saying there is no -- no evidence, it doesn't exist. they have said that. i mean, again, they couldn't even put it up for a vote because they didn't have the vote. so it's not a suggestion, it's the fact. that's their own words i'm repeating back. just going to try -- go ahead.

>> l.a. times reported the biden administration is considering forcing some migrant families who enter the country without authorization to remain near the border in texas while awaiting asylum screening. governor abbott has threatened to sue if the administration goes through with this. can you confirm whether this is under consideration? >> go back to the team, i want to get the right information to you, let me talk to the team about that specific reporting and then we are certainly, we'll have in an information for you. as you know, the president has done everything he can to work on the issue at the border that has existed for decades, worked to improve the immigration system, he's done that alone without the help of republicans, and certainly you see the governor constantly doing political stunts and the president will do everything that he can. one more, try -- i have not called on you. >> on the memo that was sent out to news organizations about covering this impeachment, can you give us background into the

decision-making why you thought the email was necessary? >> i'll leave it to the white house counsel who sent the memo, laid out really kind of specifically as to how we see this process has moved forward, how there is no evidence, it's not even coming from us, it's coming from republicans in congress. we have been very clear about that. i actually think that memo lays out pretty, in pretty good detail of why we felt it was important to put that out. i'm not going to get beyond what my colleague has shared with all of you, and with that, folks. >> can you explain why the son interated with so many of his son's business associates? more than half of voters told cnn the president was involved and he lied. you can't have a response to that, karine? >> john: clearly she does not have a response, sandra, to that last question, as she wraps up the briefing for this wednesday

afternoon. that was a lot in one white house briefing today. >> sandra: considering we had john kirby and jared bernstein from the council -- one of the chief economic advisers to the president. she said she was not going to comment specifically on mccarthy's impeachment inquiry, although she did call it baseless and said republicans have "no evidence, none that biden did anything wrong." and john, there was quite a moment there when a reporter asked how confident are you that there will be no evidence that incriminates president biden in hunter's business dealings, she did a very sort of awkward pivot to bidenomics and the economic speech the president is going to deliver tomorrow, she didn't answer the question. >> john: gee, i'm shocked. that's never happened before. yeah, well, we'll see where this goes. clearly the who us is concerned about this. they have a war room up and running on impeachment. meantime, they have three congressional committees that

are looking into all of this, and republicans believe they have compelling evidence that something is up. so we'll see where this all goes in the days and weeks ahead. >> sandra: we will indeed. inflation for the brand-new report this morning is up. and it is rising faster than americans' take home pay. top line from the august labor report but the white house is still as we just heard spinning the news. >> this president has a lot to be proud of and to run on.d som consequential achievements in generations. >> u.s. economy is in solid shape, real gdp growth supported by strong consumer spending by a strong labor market delivering wage gains. >> sandra: but prices are still going up. inflation rate as reported this morning did rise more than expected, 3.7%, even as the white house continues to tout the bidenomics is working for

the american people. real wages, this is fact, are down 3% since this president took office and 61% of americans say they are currently living paycheck to paycheck. so, we'll see how the president handles all of this in his major speech as karine jean-pierre detailed it, that will be given tomorrow. it will be a tough sell as we see real wages coming down and prices going up. americans cannot keep up above water as we mentioned so many still living paycheck to paycheck. our next guest is declaring a state of emergency over rising prices. he said the policies out of washington are hurting the peach state. bring in georgia republican governor brian kemp. thanks for coming on. we saw this news hit during this program yesterday that you are declaring a state of emergency for georgia because of these rising prices. what does that allow you to do for the residents of your state? >> well, we suspended the collection of the motor fuel or gasoline or diesel fuel tax

yesterday to help hard working georgia fight through bidenomics. i've heard about bidenomics the last five minutes waiting in the chair, and bidenomics is responsible for taking $709 a month out of people's wallet, now than from two years ago, because their cost of living is so high. and we are trying to keep a few dollars more in people's pocket by allowing them not to pay the $0.31 a gallon for gasoline or $0.35 for diesel fuel in the great state of georgia. >> sandra: why do you fathom the white house thinks they can sell an economic situation that people are not living through. i mean, i had to zoom in sort of when jared bernstein was highlighting that chart he kept looking at the at the white house, and twitter feed, the reason he keeps saying wages are outpacing inflation is because they are comparing it to core

cpi, which strips out gas prices, food prices, grocery store prices, the everyday things that people are experiencing. so, can they continue to sell this, or even try to sell this to the american people? >> yeah, i wonder if you just had, you know, a family being interviewed or talking to them at the white house about gdp, they don't care about those things, they care about what they are paying when they go to the grocery store and when they go to the gas pump because of bad domestic energy policy and them getting squeezed and biden is taking credit for driving inflation down, he created the inflation to start with, so he's -- he's fixing, or trying to fix a problem that he created but the bottom line is prices continue to remain high and hard working georgians and hard working americans know that and that's why people are not

giving president biden credit for this economy, why they know that bidenomics and picking winners and losers in washington, d.c. is not working. >> sandra: it seems this has happened from the beginning of time, economists can cherry pick data to make it look better and make the case that's what bernstein was doing, he's welcome to come on the program to clarify what the actual economic picture is in the country. appears what they are touting a drop in a dollar over gas prices, that is fact, but you are looking at gas prices under this presidency 60%. in your state, slightly below that, up 49%. he said he wakes up every day and checks aaa. consumer prices up 16%.

what he said on the briefing lowering energy costs for the american people. >> the president and congressional democrats are cutting energy costs by investing in clean energy and reducing dependence on foreign countries that often don't share our values. >> sandra: aren't we growing that dependence on foreign nations as we cut back our ability to produce oil here at home? how do you see it? >> number one, i think the biden administration is still living off of sugar high from giving out and spending too much government money for way too long and not getting people back into the workforce and obviously the fed moving too slow on interest rates and all those things have created, you know, 20-year high mortgage rates. look, i look at prices every day, too. look at the price of oil and where it is now compared to weeks ago. one of the issues with gas prices is they are holding their own in some way, even though they are higher because demand is down. why is demand down? because the economy is not doing

as good as biden is saying it is, and i think the american people and certain people in georgia know that. our economy is doing great things, despite the policies in washington, d.c., we have been able to fight through those things but also budgeted conservatively, we have not spent too much money, allowing us to suspend the gas tax. we did it last year, saved georgia families and small business owners $1.7 billion, and so that really helps them fight through the 40-year high bidenflation we have been doing with. >> sandra: i checked quick and today's market, you have oil almost back to $90 a barrel in this country right now. real quick, here is an economist boasting about the biden economy and calling the criticism of it largely partisan. >> economic data have been surreally good.

even op miss -- optimists are stunned how quickly inflation has come down. >> do you think it's narrative and politics or certain parts of the population feel economically deprived rather than others? >> very large part is partisanship. >> sandra: governor, considering you just declared a state of emergency over the economy in your state, i wanted to get your response to that. >> yeah, i would think it's politics. i mean, look, you can go back and look at the policies when we came out of covid, what the republican governors were doing, how quickly the economy recovered. in georgia, for instance, our unemployment rate got back to post covid normals nine months before the national average because we were open, we fought through that, you saw a lot of the other republican-led states doing the same thing, and that's what really has propped up this economy in a lot of ways even before some of this other stuff that's been going on.

so i'm very confident the business-friendly policies you are seeing. gdp in the south is outpacing the northeast now. i think that really shows that this is not partisan, this is business-friendly governments, this is laws on the books, conservative budgeting and other things that have given us a competitive advantage in states like georgia, a lot of my neighbors and places like florida, south carolina, tennessee and others, certainly texas and many others outpacing the northeast because we have free markets and we are allowing people to get after it and not picking winners and losers like they are doing in other states and certainly in washington, d.c. under this president. >> sandra: governor, good to have you on, we'll keep watching those prices and hoping and praying they eventually come down and we have policies that lead to that. thank you so much. >> have a one, thank you. >> didn't they also get five iranians? >> they will get five iranians

as well, yeah, jacqui. >> why did we add $6 billion on top of that. >> this is the deal that we were able to strike to secure the release of five americans. it would be great, wonderful, if we could just pick up the phone and call them and say we want our americans back, send them back on the next plane. you and i both know it's got to happen, specifically with iran. >> john: $6 billion in money, critics call it a ransom payment. tom cotton, and also on the select committee on intelligence. so the question to you, senator, was this a ransom payment or was it not? >> well, john, it was absolutely a ransom payment and while i'm grateful that we are going to have those americans back home with their families, i feel very badly for the americans in the

future who are going to be taken hostage by countries like iran, they understand that hostage taking pays, and the price is going up. this is several orders of magnitude more than barack obama's ransom payment for american hostages. ayatollahs learn if they take americans hostage as they did shortly after barack obama paid ransom, and then get even more money. this time to the tune of $6 billion to fund their campaign of terrorism against americans and our troops and our friends like israel in the region. and i just want to say what john kirby said earlier today is a disgraceful expression of pathetic weakness by the united states of america, that all we might be able to do is call up iran and say we would like our hostages back. america is a great and strong nation. iran is a third rate nation. how about calling them and saying we would like the hostages back in six hours or else. is that something the biden administration has done, willing to do, i don't think so.

>> john: it's interesting to me kirby made the same argument matthew miller made yesterday at the state department, to insist over and over again this was not a ransom payment, this was iranian money, they had access to it and then in response to jacqui's question, in response to a question from matt lee of the a.p. yesterday, both of them saying well, we had to do it this way because iran was not going to do it out of the goodness of their heart, which basically says yeah, we gave them money which was a ransom payment. >> john, of course it's a ransom payment. any normal person can see you give $6 billion to iran they don't have, in return, you get american hostages that are detained, and we are turning over iranians. they were not unjustly detained, they were convicted in a court

of law under due process. even a simple prisoner swap would still be grossly unjust because the americans in iran have done nothing wrong. it's doubly dangerous because of the precedent it sets, not just iran but other rogue nations to take more american hostages in the future. >> john: the point the white house is making, the money which was frozen in south korean bank accounts is going to be transferred to qatar, and we are going to have strict controls over how it's used. which the iranian president said this about to nbc. listen here. >> this money belongs to the islamic republic of iran and naturally we will decide, the islamic republic of iran will decide to spend it wherever we need it. >> john: we are going to spends it wherever we need it. john kirby says oh, no, the iranian president is wrong.

is the iranian president wrong? >> no, unfortunately he's right about that, john kirby, and other administration officials are simply misleading the american people. look, it's silly to think iran will not be able to access this money and use it as they see fit. let's suppose that it does happen. let's suppose this money does sit in an offshore account. united states can exert that control to ensure it's only spent on, say, children's hospitals and feeding orphans and widows. iran had money it was using to fulfill those needs. what's going to happen to that money. that money will then be freed up to support terrorist groups like hamas and hezbollah or militias in iraq and syria attacking our troops or taking ships on the high seas. of course the $6 billion is going to fund iran's campaign of terror. >> john: what the former secretary of state mike pompeo said, this is the worst deal ever, paying for americans wrongly detained by iran will

only make americans less safe in the long run and provides more funding for the brutal iranian regime. these were legions we learned long ago but the joe biden refuses to learn. whether it's the biden administration or the obama administration, why do democrats continue to allow iran to dictate terms? is this a deal former president trump would have made, either bush administration or reagan? >> they were not afraid of jimmy carter and the day reagan took office the day the iranian hostage crisis ended, why, they were afraid of an america led by a strong and resolute president like ronald reagan. joe biden has made the deal with iran because he's desperate to do anything to get back into iran's good graces because he does not want iran to go for a

nuclear breakout before the election next year, or take more hostages, which the deal will encourage, and lower the temperature on the attacks in of on americans in the middle east, but it's going to encourage more aggression from iran when you appease dictators. >> john: senator tom cotton from the great state of arkansas, appreciate it. >> sandra: outrage over the new mexico governor's order to temporarily suspend the right to carry firearms but there are some -- is some action brewing in the courts right now. we'll have the brand-new details next. plus this. >> i think these culture wars have gone too far. at the same time, i don't criticize those poor parents out there that have been ginned up. >> john: california lawmakers sending a bill to ban book bans to governor gavin newsom's desk. will he sign it?

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>> sandra: breaking news on the captured prisoner who terrorized philadelphia suburbs for two weeks, was caught this morning, right now police are transferring that convicted killer, danelo cavalcante, screen left, that is the armored police vehicle that he is being transported to the state prison in where he is set to remain behind bars for life. nate foy is live in chester county. that's a live image. he's making his way now, where, to the state prison, nate. >> as we understand it, sandra, that's right. he was loaded up into the bear cat after being questioned at the avondale facility, south of where he was captured. but he is going to serve his

life sentence in a state prison facility, so that's where we believe he's going. we will find out when we track this bear cat video. as we look back on this manhunt, i'm struck by the luck that was involved in cavalcante making it as far as he did. you think back to the original escape, the tower officer has been fired for failing to see or report that escape, it happened on labor day weekend, and police have investigated multiple break-ins after his escape. people on vacation, they were not home, that helped him. and then his luck started to run out after he found the keys inside that van that helped him breach one of the search perimeters and then come here farther north in chester county and people sort of in this community have wondered how much of this had to do with skill, his mother told the "new york times" that his suffering in his upbringing in brazil played a role and prepared him for this, of course he's only five feet

tall, 120 pounds, does not take much to sustain him. but today troopers said that maybe skill did not play as big a role as some assumed. listen here. >> i don't know that he was particularly skilled. he was desperate and i've said that all along. you have an individual whose choice is go back to prison and spend the rest of your life in a place you don't want to be, or continue to try and evade capture. he chose the evade capture. he was in good shape, obviously able to climb as you saw to get out of prison. >> sandra, troopers said there were people intent on helping cavalcante. his sister is facing deportation after she did not cooperate with authorities, but we will keep tracking this bear cat to see the final destination. back to you. >> sandra: we continue to look live at the pictures of him transported in the police vehicle off to the state prison. we'll be tracking this, nate foy on that for us, thank you. >> john: hopefully the walls

will be further apart in the state prison. both republicans and democrats lashing out at the new mexico governor's temporary ban against carrying a weapon. emergency health order facing mounting court challenges. william live in los angeles, william, a federal judge hearing arguments today? >> yeah, about 20 minutes away, john. the lawsuits asked the judge to block this order, but big picture, legally, politically it has backfired on the governor, and anti-gun democrats thought they found a back door to outlaw guns for the public health emergency to justify, instead she was sued six times, abandoned by every police agency in the state, the d.a., and her own attorney general refused to defend the governor saying i do not believe the emergency order will have any meaningful impact on public safety but more importantly, i do not believe it

passes constitutional muster. it says no one can carry a weapon in albuquerque, despite being 1 of 31 states that allow it. >> she can't just suspend the parts of the constitution that she doesn't like and say it doesn't apply. >> now today, police have not fined, cited or arrested anyone violated the order, even she admitted the action may be illegal and widely ignored. >> there would be a legal challenge and i can't tell you that we win it. >> you really think criminals are going to hear this message and not carry a gun in albuquerque on the streets for 30 days? >> no. >> so the question, john, who is going to defend the governor, now we expect outside counsel, it's not unusual. as of this morning, no attorney had been listed on the documents.

back to you. >> john: it has become a bipartisan issue in opposition to what she's doing. thank you, william. sandra. >> sandra: governor gavin newsom taking aim at red state rivals for issues like parental rights. >> i think culture wars have gone too far. there is a lot of misrepresentation out there, people are weaponizing the grievances led by desantis, by sarah huckabee sanders, led by greg abbott, a zest -- >> sandra: and touting it as the freedom state, a new bill would probability school districts from banning books. there are parents in california fighting the state and courts for the right to know what is going on with their children in

the classrooms. let's bring in dave rubin, host of the rubin report. dave, explain that to me. the freedom state? >> the fact -- the fact this guy can even say the word freedom without bursting out into laughter in and of itself is hilarious. as you know, i left california very publicly during covid, i brought two companies and over a dozen employees here to the actually free state of florida. california has also purged about a million people in three years who have largely almost exclusively moved to red states because people want more freedom. they don't want to be locked down and injected with things, they want to know what the kids will be taught, they don't want state employees speaking to their children about gender transition or this other stuff, and gavin newsom, the idea somehow it's the red states and republicans, and desantis, his real opponent here, that they are the ones instigating the

culture wars, no, it's the blue states, leftist, liberals, teachers and pushing the hyper -- the absolutely that america is systemically racist, pushing it on everyone's children, pushing dei in the schools and institutions and he says oh, it's the mean republicans. i would say it's mostly disaffected liberals. glenn youngkin's election in virginia, it's not that they were all republicans voting for him, they were parents who were mugged by reality and thus voted republican. so the right leaning people, the same people are just pushing back on the extremism he puts a very slimey face to. >> sandra: this was from the governor's office there in california on the true freedom state. california is the true freedom state, it reads, a place where families, not political fanatics have the freedom to decide what

is right for them, with the passage of legislation to ban book bans, and ensure all students have textbooks, our state's family agenda is now even stronger. to your point, you have to explain if it's the freedom state why so many people are fleeing that state. here is parent, sonia shaw from last week on parental rights. listen. >> you know our kids can't even take a tylenol without our permission but yet he's picking and choosing what he wants us parents fo know. and i think that sends the message down that they have a clear agenda, they want control of our children. >> and she said she's hearing that frustration from parents from both sides of the aisle in that state, david. >> well, it's rather extraordinary what he's saying here, because you know that just yesterday the senate had a hearing on the supposed book bans and senator john kennedy from louisiana started reading from one of these books that are being read to third and fourth and 5th graders and it's so

pornographic that you guys can't show it on fox news. so it can't be read, even read, not even the images, the words would not be allowed to be said on cable news, but somehow gavin newsom thinks that elementary school kids should hear these things. i'm interviewing miss shaw later today, but these are not radicals or extremists or maga republicans, these are parents who just wasn't to revert to an education we got for generations in america and somehow in the last 20 or 30 years we have completely let go of. >> sandra: and world where parents have the ultimate say in their child's life and what is happening in the classroom. we look forward to your interview with miss shaw as well. >> my pleasure. >> john: u.s. ambassador to the united nations and the family of wall street journal reporter e e evan, calling for his immediate

release where he's been imprisoned since march. >> his parents say evan gershkovich is holding up despite being in prison in russia since march. family is asking them to come together, take a stance and demand his release. >> if it can happen to my brother, it can happen to any journalist trying to report the news. >> we have been able to send letters back and forth and gives me comfort to see how strong he is. >> u.s. ambassador to the united nations would not comment on any prisoner swap negotiations, but she said the journalist detention is a violation of international law. >> russia actions are beyond cruel. united states will not rest until evan and paul and wrongfully detained americans are home safe and sound. >> this comes as gershkovich's attorneys allege vladimir putin

is holding him hostage for political gain and writing putin has used gershkovich's detention to send a message, censor yourself unless you too end up in prison on baseless charges. requested a united nations group declared gershkovich detained, but he has been accused of espionage denied by the wall journal. they will hear appeal to the detention extended to september 30th. >> john: highlighting the president's stamina and vigor, growing concerns over his ability to lead the country, sinking polling numbers show voters, a majority of democrats think the president is unfit for a second term. washington post with this headline, president biden should not run again in 2024.

bret baier, special report, and fox news political anchor, congratulations on reupping the contract. >> bret: i'll be here a while, can't get rid of me. >> john: glad to read that this morning. a new quinnipiac poll, shows former president trump and the republican field with a whopping 62% support, increase of five points from the last time they polled. desantis, down 6 to 12, vivek ramaswamy at 6, and democratic side, rfk, jr., and williamson. >> bret: massive numbers for the former president. not like it's minuscule, it's up five points there and the others are going down. he's not, you know, campaigning a ton but getting to some of the

swing states, and clearly people are rallying around him after these indictments. each indictment it's gone up. this one is going up even further, and it's hard to see how the dynamic changes right now, but we'll see. >> john: so biden, $25 million ad buy over 16 weeks, put that up on the screen, so you can get a sense of those numbers. one of the ads is really designed to highlight his stamina, by going back to the trip that he made to ukraine to visit zelenskyy. a little bit of the ad. >> president biden left washington, d.c. at 4:00 a.m. on sunday, landed in eastern poland, and nine and a half hour train ride to kyiv. >> in the morning, joe biden walked shoulder to shoulder with our allies in the war torn streets. >> john: based around u.s. president for the first time going to a war torn country not in control of the u.s. military, but also saying hey, he stayed up all night, took a train ride,

forget this talk about his age and whether or not he's up for the job. he's up for it. >> bret: it's a cool ad, however, it is an ad that is dealing with numbers that they are seeing. and it's to have this kind of buy in early swing states, this early, for an incumbent president, what is he leading? 73% to 11, that is telling in and of itself. they have to reset the table because the numbers are overwhelming that people have concerns about his age, his ability, his vitality, into a second term and it's not just republicans, it's independents and democrats as well. >> john: david ignatius in the "washington post" wrote an op-ed in which he said it's time for biden to step down, he said biden has got another chance to say no to himself this time by withdrawing from the 2024 race. might not be in character for biden but a wise choice for the

country. ian sams dismissing it a as malarky. how vulnerable is the support or how uncertainly is the support in the democratic side, if somebody were to step forward like gavin newsom or somebody else, look, we have to change leadership, we have to go with a younger generation. >> bret: this op-ed in the "washington post" in the words of vice president biden after obamacare is a big blanking deal in washington circles, it really is. because this is the heart of inner washington democratic circles saying guess what, you should get off the stage. we like what you've done, we liked what you passed, we like what you did, but it's time to move on. and those messages being that loud in a paper like the "washington post" is again a really big deal here.

>> john: the scary thing for supporters of president biden. quinnipiac poll found in a head to head match-up, president trump against -- against president trump, 47 for biden, 46 for trump. it's a dead heat and looking at biden saying he's our strongest horse to go against trump. but that poll would suggest it's a toss-up. >> bret: the biden campaign says they have a lot of things to talk about, they are going to talk about the economy, although there's -- as you guys have been talking about, there's some questions ahead and some bumpy roads to come. i think that the former president looked stronger than he has looked in many months, and these polls are heading his direction. we don't know what happens ahead, but the crystal ball says it's going to be a very interesting race. >> john: when you take a look at that -- facing indictments four times over, 62% now support among republicans up from 57.

that's going to be hard for anybody. >> bret: and quinnipiac is usual will i not an outlier. >> john: no, pretty accurate. >> sandra: all right, thanks to bret. john, we are tracking the escaped pennsylvania prisoner, danelo cavalcante, these are live pictures now of that convicted killer being transferred to a state prison after his capture earlier, after a nearly two-week search for him. tactical teams were ultimately able to use heat-seeking technology to find him and surround him, a police dog ultimately subdued him when he tried to flee authorities during his capture. thankfully no police officers were injured during that capture operation. that was according to law enforcement. live pictures of cavalcante after a two-week search including the feds and local resources on the ground,

two-week search finally turned up with his capture earlier today. so we could see him actually transported out of the armored vehicle shortly, john. >> john: i think it was the dea helicopter that spotted him with that technology, we see it all the time used in the border where they can spot illegal migrants or drug smugglers in the brush, they knew there was nobody else out there in the area because -- >> sandra: just a little something happened with your microphone, there, john, i'm sure we will get it fixed in a second. but we could be actually seeing him transported out of the vehicle, don't know the process -- ok, they are going to drive him in there and probably put the garage down, so perhaps we will not see him exit the vehicle. that is a police armored vehicle transporting him now to that state prison, john. >> john: right. it's interesting they're taking no chances driving him in

through the sally port as opposed to taking him out of the vehicle, where we could get a good look at him going in. this guy has proven himself adept at escaping after he crab-walked up between the two walls, they want to make sure that they have got him inside, closing down that sally port before they get him out of the bear cat. but i was saying we see the technology that the dea used to spot him in use along the border and so much of the footage from the border patrol and from texas dps. they knew there was nobody out there, all the residents in the area after the encounter that resident had with cavalcante when he stole the gun out of his garage, he fired several shots at him with a handgun, everybody was -- who lives in the area was told stay inside. and that's when they had the helicopter up searching the area. went into deep cover in some underbrush and that's when they released the trained dog to go

get him. the dog gave him a bit of a bite and we saw how bloody he was, and maybe some of that too was from scrambling through the underbrush but came down to the highly-trained k-9 who got him at custody after he was at large for a grand total of almost 14 days. >> sandra: we believe it's a state prison facility in montgomery county he is being transferred to. 34 years old, this -- he brazenly escaped, john, i remember the day it happened, you and i watched that video footage together of him scaling up the wall and escaping through what was supposed to be a maximum security area of a more local jail there that he was in. he seemed to escape almost with ease, john, two weeks later he's being transferred to this -- this state prison. let's hope a little bit more secure than his last home. >> john: yeah, and we saw in the

video that was up just a moment ago a rifle with a scope on it, that probably is the .22 caliber rifle, you can see the agent holding it in his right hand. it says the police did a great job, nobody was hurt considering he was armed. >> sandra: amen. our coverage will continue. thanks for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. >> martha: thanks. good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. the latest call for president biden to step aside in 2024 comes from a somewhat unlikely place this time around. influential "washington post" reporter and writer david ignacious printed this bomb shell. "president biden should not run again in 202