rachel: all right, we're back. if you want to hear more about e grade midwest man debate, go to my podcast -- [laughter] from the kitchen table. neil: so many storms, so little time. a rare, monstrous one hitting canada and slamming the new england coast. lee unleashing hurricane-force-like winds even though it ain't a hurricane now. heavy rains and rough surf, we're on it, all over it. and we're on the migrant crisis storming not at the border, try the big apple. new york city protesters shouting down democratic lawmakers at a hotel turned shelter for asylum seekers. why even in the bluest of cities in this bluest of states residents are seeing red. and a big labor storm brewing

even with talks back on, thousands of workers have already walked off the job sparking worries that thousands more could follow them and possibly sending our economy off a cliff. and the twin legal and and political storms swirling around family biden. and not just hunter, talk of additional charges, but his dad too and talk of a much more far-reaching impeachment probe even as the president faces a global storm over releasing $6 billion in frozen funds to iran in that prisoner swap deal. why former u.n. ambassador and presidential candidate nick key haley -- nikki haley feels the deal doesn't solve a hostage problem, it just created a bigger one. she's here and "cavuto live" is now. ♪ ♪ neil: welcome back, everybody. i'm very happy to be back, and my thanks to david asman for all

his hard work in my absence last saturday. now to all those storm the -- storms swirling this saturday. we go to robert ray in yarmouth, nova scotia, with more. how's it looking there there, my friend? >> reporter: yeah, neil, here in yarmouth right now we're approaching high tide, 11:15 a.m. is when that is making its way, and is we're an hour ahead of new york, we're atlantic time. and you can see the yarmouth sound here and the atlantic ocean in the distance, jason jones, my photographer, is going to push in in these very difficult conditions here. and you see the swells, the ebb and flow. sometimes these swells when they're coming in are just amazing, 10, 15, 20 feet high, out mt. atlantic the, 20 the-40 feet high. post-topical storm lee -- tropical storm lee is making it way in here, expecting landfall at some point this afternoon, neil. we don't know when, it could hit

car -- yarmouth, it could hit to the southeast of yarmouth as it makes its way in. as the wind that startses to come in, up to 50 mile-an-hour gusts have been occurring, as you see these breakers moving on the rocky shores of nova scotia right now. we are told that about 100,000 people, maybe even more, are out of power right now. nova scotia power will get out and rye to restore the power when these winds and the rains ooh i do down. but, or neil, essentially the way we have to think about this is, this is like a nor'easter except for without the snow because it's now a post-tropical cyclone. what that means essentially is these gusty winds for hours upon end -- whoa. and here comes the waves. we're going to move soon, and we're being safe. photographer is right up there, about a 15-foot elevation, and i can pop out of here if i have to, no doubt. but this is a scenario where, you know, this lawyer is expecting to lose power, they do

during nor'easters. they say that it gets resolved fairly quickly when the power company can get back out. but isn't it amazing, nearly two weeks we've been discussing this hurricane which at one point was a category five, days upon end, and it's finally going to have a resting place so to speak here in mauve scoch at -- navy nova scotia at some point this afternoon and it's going to the make landfall. not a traditional landfall. it's not like there's an eye wall that we can actually see, but there will be some sort of eye on the radar when it does come in whether it happens here in yarmouth or it happens somewhere else on the southern end of nova scotia. regardless, up to 50 mile-an-hour wind gusts, they could go up. high tide in a few minutes and you can see here waves rushing in. neil? neil: be safe, my friend. robert ray in car mouth, nova scotia. now to rick reichmuth and what we can look at, what's left of lee and what may be coming down the pipe. rick, what are yes -- we looking

at? rick: we have a lot of hurricane season ahead of us, some stuff looking active maybe, potentially towards the coastline. center of the storm, as ray was just saying -- robert was just saying, it's going to stay well offshore. the one piece of good news is we've kind of had a can cold front move through, there's dry canner air in the atmosphere, is so this rain is a lot of it evaporating, and it's not that deep, heavy, tropical moisture. so rainfall totals from eastern massachusetts and much of new england will be held down because the moisture isn't as rich than a typical tropical system. we still have the very strong winds with it, hurricane force winds where you see that red and where you see the yellow, tropical storm force winds. that's our story over about the next 6 hours. it's it's moving really fast at this point, about 25 miles an hour in its forward movement, that means we'll see landfall here pretty quickly and then we'll start to make things -- things will get better. in fact, eastern massachusetts by this afternoon, you're going to see the sun come out, it

won't be that bad at least in the late afternoon. however, if you are going to the beaches anywhere up and down the eastern seaboard, we have a really significant threat for rip currents. you notice this across the beaches of florida, mid-atlantic towards the northeast, down towards the southeast is where people will be in the water more. be really careful. we've got lee, we've got margo which was a hurricane, not worried about it now. this is the next one that will develop, probably is going to become nigel. i don't think we have any concerns to the u.s. from this, but bermuda needs to be watching this one, probably becomes a major hurricane. we have that next one, that wave that came off of africa, not worried about that one, but behind that our models are picking up another one potentially developing. and the other place i think we're going to watch over about the next week and a half is right along the southeastern coastline, an area that we could potentially see some adopt of something and i think, for sure, we're going to see coastal storms develop over the next couple days that'll probably have bigger impacts to the nice

even than lee did. here's where we are in hurricane season, about 46% of our activity remains. and as i was just talking about the southeast, take a look at moisture through tuesday. south florida, a lot of rain coming and right along the coast is where are we're seeing development of this coastal storm right now. and that's going to bring really rough seas across parts of the southeast. neil? neil: thank you for that, rick. rick reichmuth. and now this strike going into with its second day, they are at least planning talks today. want to update you on where things stand. we're hearing the gm says it's going to idle a plant in kansas because of a resulting parts shortage which would put 2,000 employees out of work. separately, ford or is laying off 600 at an an affected plant in michigan, so this is escalating just by the extension of this. we don't know how long it could go on, but grady trim the bl in wayne, michigan -- grady trimble in wayne, michigan, with the latest. >> reporter: neil, this is that ford plant where 600 workers have been laid off because of the striking workers. they're not able to do their

jobs. you mentioned the uaw president tells us he is back at the bargaining table today trying to work out a deal. also in michigan today the are members of the biden administration that the president sent here to try to help with negotiations. but id asked the uaw president, shawn fein, if he wants their help, and he kind of brushed it off. he wouldn't even say he'd let them into the building to help negotiate. some people are supporting the union, and the union is welcoming them with open arms. had be senator bernie sanders and other progressive lawmakers who were in detroit yesterday for a uaw rally. take a listen. are you worried at all about the economy? >> yeah. i am worried about an economy where workers are making starvation wages and we have massive income and wealth inequality. that's the economy i'm worried about. >> reporter: jim gutierrez, one of the striking workers, the automakers say they've put forward historically generous

proposals, 20% pay raises for workers, cost of living increases. why do you say that's not enough? >> why that's not enough is because of the fact we're looking out for the average worker. we're the blue collar workers here and stuff like that, and that's what our union wants, and that's what we're going to require. >> reporter: you've been at ford for 29 the years. how long are you willing to stand on the picket linesesome. >> as long as a it takes. as long as the union wants us to be here. we're standing for the american worker right now, so -- >> reporter: the way the union is striking is different from previous strikes. instead of hitting every single factory at once, they're target thing one at each of the big three automakers. what do you think of this approach? why is the union doing it this way? >> i think it's a novel approach, try something different, what the heck? the time they tried to do it for just gm -- that's right. anyways, let's do something different. let's see what happens. >> reporter: and, neil, you mentioned the ripple effects of that. those 6000 workers here aren't -- 6000 workers here

aren't able to do their jobs because of these striking workers. gm says they might have to idle a plant in kansas because workers are walking off the job at a plant in missouri, so that just shows you how interconnected the auto industry is. not to mention all of the suppliers who feed into these plants. if this is a protracted strike, it could have a huge economic impact not just here in michigan, but across the country, neil. neil: oh, you're quite right about that, my friend. grady trimble, great reporting, as usual. in the meantime, just letting you know, we're keeping track of those so-called ripple events including word from the major auto e companies that they have about a month if's worth of stock in popular models but only about a month's worth depending on potentially less than that when it comes to the jeep wrangler, the chevy colorado, the gmc canyon among the vehicles that could run out sooner rath rather than later. charlie gasparino, the star of fox business and and what he

makes of how this is going to impact us. charlie, what are you hearing? >> neil, what it really comes down to, you've got to look at what this strike is about and put yourself in the shoes of an automaker. and i say that as a proud son of a union iron worker, okay? so i get what on you yoon gross -- what unions are all about. if you're ford, gm or any of these companies, you're urn tremendous pressure by regulators, by the biden administration or by certain blue states like california to produce electronic vehicles. those vehicles really don't make that much money for the big three auto makers. as a matter of fact, they're a loss leader at this point. in order to subsidize that, you know, it costs money to subsidize that loss. on top of that, you have -- let's be real clear here, it takes less manpower to produce an ev than a regular gas engine vehicle. put all that together, and this

is why the strike makes no sense. it's the really coming from the biden administration. if these union -- if the big three automakerser were not under so much pressure to put out evs, we would not be having this because, essentially, you would not, you wouldn't have to lay people off because workers will get laid off as the country moves to an ev future. it just costs, it's just a lot less manpower to put together electronic vehicle than a gas guzzler. so, you know, this, when it really comes down to it, it's funny, bernie sanders says slave wages and i'm worried about the union. first off, we're not talking slave wages here. unions pay, you know, autoworkers make a decent salary. but let's be real clear here, the reason why they're in trouble, unions are in trouble, is because of bernie sanders and the left's sort of fascination and obsession with electronic vehicles which, by the way, have their own costs, their own

environmental costs to just create a battery, electronic batteries. it's very environmentally problematic. so this comes back to the left, and, you know, someone should really write that, like me, i guess, this week -- [laughter] because it's really, it's really sort of the, you know, the chicken and the egg thing, you know? what's really the problem here? is it really the auto makers making so much money, or is it the fact that the automakers have to produce if electronic vehicles which don't make a lot of money and plus they have to lay people off because, guess what? it doesn't take a lot of workers to produce if electronic vehicles, neil. that's kind of where this is right now. neil: got it, my friend. thank you very much. to charlie's point, ford has said they lose about $60,000 on each electric vehicle, so that is a loss leader. it is the direction the country's going, and i believe even the the automakers have acknowledged that much. right now it's being borne on and paid for the traditional fossil fuel-powered vehicles

that are so loathed by so many in the environmental community. having said all of that, no indication as to when this strike could get solved or settled, but the strategy of picking different facilities and different plants at different automakers at different times is a way to keep the auto industry guessing and getting more nervous with each and every passing hour and day. we're on top of that. also on top of talk in washington right now that those gun charges against hunter biden might not be it, that there could be more to follow. and there could be more to this impeachment probe of hunter's dad than was earlier thought. what republicans want and how quickly they want it after this. charlotte! charl! every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, delicious fage total yogurt.

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and taken into custody. reports are saying he had a fake badge, two loaded weapons in shoulder holsters and spare ammunition magazines. kennedy posting his thanks to his private security team. remember, he was denied secret service at least three times. they were apparently very quick in spotting and detaining this guy as he tried to the approach rfk jr. luckily, no one hurt. police have not released man's name or any other details, why he was there and apparently loaded for bear. we'll continue to follow up on this and bring you updates as they become available. all right or, on to some other news right now. you've heard about these indictments existence hunter biden on gun charges -- against hunter biden that could land him in the slammer at the most extreme up to 25 the years, unlikely as it is. now a move afoot to see if they can expand charges against the president's son. at the same time, republicans are moving very quickly expanding an impeachment probe of their own. john yoo is with using, former

deputy assistant attorney general, former yous us disthomas law clerk -- justice thomas law clerk and here in the flesh. and and i can tell you, he has an upper and a lower torso sew. >> i'll go anywhere for a real italian piece of pizza. [laughter] neil: what do you make, first off, of the timing this past week of the gun charges on hunter biden? many people said david can weiss a little late, but now you got to keep expanding this. >> seems the me he's doing it to show that he's independent. he was just appointed special counsel a few weeks ago. a lot of people have been saying he's the wrong guy for the job because he's responsible for how long and slow the investigation was and that sweetheart plea deal that eventually got thrown out. neil: a lot of people say, well, better late than never. >> he wants to show some progress. look, the investigation's going somewhere. but it's important to realize the handgun charges is have nothing to do with all the other things that are really in the public interest like getting to the bottom of was there any kind

of bribery, why are foreign governments and companies giving so much money to hunter biden, did that money come in to hunter and then get spread i out even to the point where it got to joe biden, what did joe biden do and what was he involved -- neil: will we ever know -- we certainly know republicans who have been pushing this impeachment probe are looking into bank records and stuff like that. ooh i'm just wondering where you think david weiss is on this case or, you know, if he was late getting to this, could he be on top of this because now he's independent and he's got to hook like he's doing something? >> yeah. the way to think of it is they're now in a race. the house is kind of in a foot race with the special counsel. the special counsel has a lot more at least at the beginning more information and has a lot more prosecutors on the job. but the house is where we've seen all this new information from hunter biden's business associates -- neil: how do we know weiss doesn't have that? >> he might have it, but it doesn't seem like he does.

neil: then who gets first dibs on getting all this? >> this is really complicated and, actually, the congress and special counsel really have to fight over it. you would, you could see, for example, witnesses say i'm not cooperating with congress because i'm under subpoena from the special counsel, i don't want to -- this happened many times in the past with the reagan investigationings, iran contra, where witnesses would come up to congress and say i won't testify because i might get indicted for the things i say by the special counsel. you're going to see the special counsel and the house in this kind of race to try to get the information first, to get to the witnesses first. now, one thing that congress has, people haven't noticed this yet, that the special counsel will really not like is that the house could grant immunity to witnesses. they could say, archer, you come tell the whole story in public, or we'll give you immunity, and you can never be prosecuted. this could be an important tool that the house could use to really get to the bottom of what's been going on with hunter biden and joe biden especially as we move towards an impeachment investigation not just oversight into whether the

justice department's been doing its job properly. neil: dumb question on my part, but there's millions of dollars in financial traction actions -- transactions involving hunter which i assume are rah rather easy to trace. we're talking about foreign governments, i get that. it getses to be a little murkier trying to tie them to dad, right? i mean, so how and what do they go about doing right now looking at all the financial transactions? we're talking millions of dollars, in this case up to $20 the million over the years. i don't know what the accurate figure is. explain that. >> this is the really hard part of the investigation. it involves pain stake thing research because you've got to dig behind each account and find out who owned it. and then it sounds like from the whistleblower testimonies there's, like, lay ier with after layer, layer of these kind of dummy corporations we call them which are only created to pass the money along. neil: but the enchilada for republicans is trying to to link

that to joe biden. they haven't done that yet. >> yeah. no, they haven't done that yet. you could say that's the whole purpose of the impeachment investigation in the first place. what they've got to do is take in data about all these currency movements. it's almost like what we do with drug cartels and organized crime and to see a pattern. do we see money going into hunter biden's accounts and then going into these weird numbered accounts, any of them owned by joe biden? are they a paying for joe biden's expenses? did they pay for that corvette or that mansion? neil: right. john, so good seeing you. we always enjoy having you. john yoo on that. speaking of legal issues and now the lawyers and politicians are debating, talking about that iran deal, the hostage swap, the $6 billion payment. right now it's causing quite a firestorm. we're going to be talking to nikki haley about that later in the show is. first up though will be the former defense secretary of the united states, mark's -- markad esper.. stay with us, you are watching fox news. there are bemente

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it's not just possible. it's happening. neil: all right, they're actually beginning to call it the swamp swap, that hostage joint release that was orchestrated with iran and the $6 billion, that's where it gets to the swap part of it, because we're told right now that not everything is going according to plan and maybe that was the problem to begin with. lucas tomlinson following it very closely in wilmington, delaware. lucas. >> reporter: well, neil, this is a highly controversial prisoner swap. secretary of state antony blinken defending the decision to unfreeze $6 billion to give to iran in exchange for those american prisoners. this is what what he said yesterday. he says the money's only going to be for humanitarian purposes, neil. >> i view that as a sensible arrangement, and if it's facilitated the return home of americans unjustly detained, i think that's a good deal for the people many question and good

deal for the people of the united states. >> reporter: now, in the white house briefing this week our own jacqui heinrich asked this key question during the briefing: >> reporter: didn't they also get five iranians? >> they will get five iranians as well well, yeah. >> reporter: why did we need to add $6 billion on top of that? >> this is the deal that we were able to strike to secure the the release of five americans. if until be great, wonderful if we could just pick up the phone and call the mullahs and say, hey, we want our americans back, send them back on the next plane. but you and i both know that's not going to happen. >> reporter: now iran's president insists he can spend that $6 billion any way he wants, neil. >> translator: this money belongs to the islamic rewill public of iran, and naturally we will decide, the islamic republic of iran will decide to

spend it wherever we need it. >> reporter: some lawmakers wondering why iran's president's being allowed to come to new york for the u.n. general assembly when former top trump aides like your next are still under arm ad diplomatic protection after killing iran's most powerful general, neil. neil: thank you very much for that, lucas tomlinson. mark esper, the former u.s. defense secretary, kind enough to join us. secretary, he does raise a good point there, the hypocrisy in terms of who we allow and don't allow into that body. but on this deal, you're worried about what it could spark, that it might solve one hostage set of swaps but encourage, right? >> well, good morning, neil, first of all. but, look, you're right. it is a, it is not just a swap, it is a ransom payment. if you look up the definition of a ransom payment, it's demand

for compensation or payment in exchange for release of a person. so that is exactly what this is. and you've got to get out of the mess, if you want, of trying to discuss the definition of what this is. but any reasonable person would conclude that tehran is going to learn from this lesson that there's incentive to taking more americans wrongfully and using that to get payments, to get relief from sanctions, to get people who were legally charged here in the united states returned to iran. so in a sense, all the a wrong hinges and that's why it's the bad -- things and that's why it's bad policy. neil: you know, secretary, i can't imagine that we offered a deal like this to the iranians and saying, all right, this $6 billion better be for humanitarian purposes and only humanitarian purposes, it would be like me telling my son when he's in college this money is not to go to any bars -- [laughter] it is not to go to, uni, any social life fund. -- you know,

any social life fund. get serious, right in. >> i hope your son is listening to you, but who knows? [laughter] but you're right, money is fungibling. the iranians know that, we know it, everybody knows that. that's why the iranian president said is, look, it's their money, and they're going to do -- neil: i'm sorry, sir, but to clarify, what do you think they'll do with this money? >> oh, well, i think they'll pump it into their arms programs, right? into the irgc, the iranian revolutionary guards, to either arm themselves or carry out their malign activities throughout the the middle east or elsewhere, they could pump it into their nuclear program. it comes back as a means to fund illicit and dangerous activities that we are trying to safeguard ourselves and our allies against in the renal. neil: looking at this now, there are the other hostages in other countries, in other dangerous parts of the world. we always run into this, nothing is for free. are you saying that if a republican is elected president no matter who it is, that he or

she should never entertain a financial deal to hostage as out? -- to get hostages out? >> generally, no. there are always exceptions. you never want to take that off the a table. but, look, i think we've come to accept uncomfortably, if you will, prisoner swaps. typically, they're lopsided. you look at the brittney griner swap, this one, others, typically they release people who were wrongfully detain or charged on minor things, and is we release people who are, you know, international criminals or in the case of these iranians, were taking american technology back to iran to put, in one case at least, into their technology. so, look, i think swaps are one thing. they're uncomfortable, but we've tolerated. but when you're talking about payments, what we're seeing now and what we saw during the obamaed a mrgses where, you know -- obama administration where palettes of -- pallets of cash were given to the iranians,

that incents iran, incents russia, north korea and others to take americans hostage. neil: secretary the, thank you very much. very good seeing you again. it is the worrisome, to put it mildly. nikki haley leaderboard talking about that and a lot more -- will be talking about that, the presidential candidate who's jumping in the polls pretty dramatically. her take on this and so many other alarming issues over just the last week, that a that's coming up. you're watching fox news. ♪

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>> in order to make sure that we are dc the r -- [background sounds] neil: all right, i don't think alexandria ocasio-cortez expected the reaction she was getting speaking in front of a hotel outside of which there are hundreds of migrants being housed. housed is probably not the operative word here, but it led e to a very, very nasty exchange in this bluest of cities, and as i said at the temperature of the show, bluest of statement ises where the rage is palpable now. inconvenienced and outraged new yorkers who are saying enough is enough. it kind of echoes the theme from

gerry baker who's got a great book out, "american breakdown." 9 there is the lead for your book, this disgust with our leaders and how just this migrant problem alone illustrates it. it's out of control. >> yeah. thanks, neil. thanks again for talking to me, it's very k50u7b of you. thanks for mentioning the book. yeah, i do talk about immigration as one of those areas which has caused people to lose trust in their leadership. i mean, or we'ved had, you know, an immigration problem in this country for, i suppose, from day one. but particularly intense and deepening immigration problem over the last 10 years or so with huge numbers of migrants crossing the border illegally, without any formal process for them being let in, you know, essentially, you know, after the briefest of processing, allowing them to then be in the country at will. and that's, you know, that isn't how things work. you don't have to be, like, you can have a lot of sympathy with people who want to come to this country. i'm an a immigrant to this

country. this country's the greatest country in the world, but they have to go through a legal process. and we've seen here in the united states, you know, failures, failures by congress to pass laws and failures by administrations to enforces the law as it exists, and we have a broken system. so, yeah, it's no wonder people don't trust. i think immigration has been a key factor in the rising levels of distrust that we see in american institutions and particularly the american government. and, i should say, much of the american media which, of course, just sort of glosses over this and somehow even suggests it's kind of somehow racist or xenophobic to enforce immigration laws. neil: many in the media were knot covering it, and to your point, that trust in the media is nothing like it was. a gallup survey, i think back in 1976, showed almost 3 out of 4 americans trusted the media it's not 3 out of 40 today. [laughter] -- 3 out of 4 today. you talk about how americans

intrinsically just don't trust politicians of any party, that they lie, that it's almost in their dna to lie. so politicians trying to assure them particularly with this migrant problem that it's under control, and yet there were a lot of new yorkers there who were saying, wait a minute, this isn't what you said it was. and it's out of control. and they're pissed. >> yeah, they are. and it's -- again, it is very striking. i mean, these are, again, i'm sorry to keep harping on the media, but the media and the biden add administration and democrats generally who when these migrants were coming across the border creating tremendous havoc in place, particularly in places like texas and other places along the border, the enormous inflow of migrants there, somehow they tried to ig ignore the problem, they downplayed the problem, said it was no big deal. now when you have a city like new york where i am too, neil, like you, and we've had this inflow of thousands, maybe tens of thousands of migrants -- by

the way, this is a city of 8.5 million people. much, much smaller cities in texas have been overrun by illegal immigrants for a soar long time, now suddenly democrats are saying, my god, this is terrible. we can't cope with this, this is impossible. so so finally, finally immigration is starting to get some of the attention it deserves from the media because they're seeing this problem hit democratic citieses. when you have a democratic mayor like eric adams here in new york city saying this pop is going to destroy new york city, i think that's a bug -- new york city's survived a lot worse over the last 250 years or so, but when you have a democratic mayor saying to the a democratic administration if do something about this or the city's going to be destroyed, you realize how chronic and deep the problem is and, again, how -- bring it back to my point about trust -- why it is that people don't trust political leaders, was they -- because they just brushed it aside for so long, toll them it's not happening, it's not real, or told them it's not a

problem, and they know it's a problem. and they're seeing it in their own cities. neil: very quickly, the one thing that we get into and a lot of politicians are talking about, we've always loved our immigrants, and we do. this country brings in this more than a million new ones legally each year, year in, year out. democrat, are republican administrations alike. these are illegal immigrants, and we're not making that distinction the, and americans know it. so it's not a left or right thing, it's just be accurate, be truthful. >> yeah. exactly, neil. and, look, if you -- when this administration came in, january 20th, 0 the 21 -- 2021, one of the first things it did was basically resined all of the things donald trump has done. we can discuss donald trump's qualities and virtues and lack of virtues in some respects, but he did try to great a grip on the immigration problem. the remain in mexico approach, the special measures that were put in place, you know, that were dealt with under the can covid, under rules of public health emergencies. they really try to get to grips

with the problem and to some extent had some success. wilding came in and basically sented the message to the world saying our doors are open. you can come in, we're not going to enforce laws and, by the way, attacking law enforcement officers who were trying to enforces the law. you remember that terrible incident where, you know, there was a photograph taken of a guy on horseback and, you know, he was apparently being condemned. all he was trying to do was do his job. he was condemned for brutality. this is what they did, they opened the doors to this country and said come on in. and of course people are going to respond to that. and now we're all reaping the consequences. neil: indeed. in spades. gerard baker, editor at large at "the wall street journal," excellent host on this network as a well. thank you, gerry, always good seeing you. as he was speaking, we're getting some news from chrysler parent stellantis, remember, it's owned by this foreign company, said it's kind of befuddled what union employees are complaining about, that they've offered nearly 21%

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neil: no cage match, but they did get together. elon musk and mark zuckerberg did meet on capitol hill this week along with a number of other rich tech titans. aishah hasnie has more. >> reporter: good with morning, neil. the host of this forum say it was a great success, is and we may actually see a public or forum see. more on that in just a second. but first, those big tech titans, elon musk, bill gates, mark subisser berg, sundar pichai and sam altman all huddled with senators this week to talk about regulating a.i. and while we don't know if congress will create a

regulatory agency or just try to do it all themselves, we're told that that everyone in the room wants congress to act. >>st it's important for us to have a referee just as you have a referee in a sports game or all sports games and the games are better for it. senator schumer did a great service to humanity here along with the rest of the senate, and i think we'll, i think something good will come of this. i think this meeting may go down in history as being very important for the future of civilization. >> reporter: as you know, neil, there's always criticism that congress won't be able the move fast enough on this, and when i asked leader schumer if he would be setting any deadlines for legislation, he said, no. but he did say committees are working on legislation right now and protecting election integrity will be the priority here. but behind the scenes there was a whole lot of drama over how this event was carried out. senators elizabeth warren and josh hawley disagreed that congress was huddling with billionaires behind closed

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neil: all right, aaron rodgers says he thinks he can come back. joe theismann says, well, good luck with that. joe theismann, of course, one of the best players i ever saw, i

was a big fan the of his in washington d.c. he was the quarterback on november 18, 1985, suffering one of the most gruesome injuries i've witnessed, and millions of other americans did, on live tv. that was back with november 18, 1985. joe is with us now. joseph, great to have you. thanks for taking the time. >> thanks for having me, neil. it's always great to catch up with you. neil: same here. night and day. mom i don't mean to min minimize what aaron rodgers is going through with all of this, and you hope he does come back, but what you had to deal with was a lot more gruesome, and that made it impossible to come back. what do you think? >> well, you know, it was a time in football when if you were 35 years old, they really wanted you out of the game. you didn't see 35, 38, 40-year-old quarterbacks when i played back in the early '80s, in 1985. i think in aaron's case, first of all, his mental toughness is going to get him through

everything. that's just the way aaron is. i don't believe he wants to go out of the game this way. at first i thought, well, you know, he's 40 years old, but, hey, today's 40 is like 33 back years ago. so in my mind, you know, i first thought, well, at 40 it's going to be tough, but then it's aaron rodgers. and he feels like he has unfinished business in new york, i guarantee you. from what i understand, the surgery went very well. he's optimistic, and mental tate of mind is so vitally important, neil. neil: you might be right about that, and at least you didn't say 80 is the new 40. [laughter] i'll leave that alone. let me ask you a little bit -- you were, i think, 36 when this happened? >> 35. yeah. neil: okay. so you were already behind the 8-ball, and did people look at you differently or even your attempt at trying to come back? did that look differently just because of your age? if forget your talent, because you had that in droves. >> there were people who discouragedded me from trying to come back. hey, joey, you've accomplished

so much in the game, why do you want to do this? move on to the next phase of your life. but i've said this time and time again, neil, people don't understand who we are. the internal mechanisms of a quarterback, of a competitor just don't allow you to say, okay, i'm done. you just want to keep on going until you finally have exhausted all possibilities i don't have -- of how you to be able to do the things you wanted to accomplish in your life. for me, i still threw the ball with around til i was 50. when i was in broadcasting, i used to go to different camps and throw defensive drills. it never really left me until finally i wasn't able to be able to compete and do the things that i felt like i could do before, and that's going to be very important to aaron. when he starts working out and he starts playing again or throwing the ball around or moving around, going through rehabilitation, will he feel like he's able to do the same things that he did? and now the one other aspect is this was his left achilles. a lot of guys, we've seen dak prescott with the right

achilles, i had mine -- right broken leg. i had mine. that's your power leg. i think in aaron's case because it was the left, it could well be something that cannot be as difficult to overcome. but like i said for him, it's all about mental toughness and, certainly, he's one of the toughest guys i've ever known. neil: but they build a whole team around guys like you, the quarterback and the whole offensive unit. in this case, aaron rodgers, the same deal. that's difficult for the gents now, isn't it? -- for the jets now, isn't it? >> it is. but, hopefully, zack wilson has learned a lot. he's been sat down twice before. this is the opportunity of a lifetime for him. it's terrible for aaron. the jet fans had so much expectations. you talk about air coming out of a balloon for the jet fans, when aaron went down, you could almost hear that gasp in the stadium. my gosh, what happened to him. but there is optimism. i think the balloon's starting to get a little air back, but this is zack wilson's opportunity. we're a next man up business,

neil, that's who we are. you have to be able to do it. and as a team, you have to say to yourself, hey, we feel terrible for aaron, but we have a game. we have a game against the cowboys tomorrow, so that's the important thing. neil: move on. joseph, thank you very much. very good seeing you. thank you for the phenomenal memories, my friend. joe theismann, one of greatest quarterbacks of all a time. we'll have more after this. abou. jack, are you listening to a podcast? yeah, but it's about multitasking, which i'm trying to do. i got you in one ear and... maybe i should do a podcast. those are the people who know you're in good hands with allstate. ♪ ♪ ... every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, delicious fage total yogurt.

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