us the four-wheeler. i will send it back to you guys in new york. >> great. thank you. >> brian: if you work at twitter now at x, you suspended my account because you said it was suspicious. it was me. i changed my password. >> ainsley: if you are watching. >> brian: if the janitor has the keys to the twitter box, it is x, twitter. >> ainsley: you will get unlocked. twitter misses you. >> steve: lawrence, we'll see you back on the couch next week. >> ainsley: great job. >> see you monday. >> steve: that's it in studio m. now we go to the radio. >> bill: good morning, everybody. the border is boiling over. monthly apprehensions hit an

all-time high. the white house does not want to hear about it apparently as you are about to see. it's friday. you have almost made it, america. i'm bill hemmer live in new york city. good morning. >> dana: i'm dana perino and this is "america's newsroom." this has been a news-filled week and gone by so fast. chaos coming to a head in eagle pass, texas. adults and small children crawling through wire yesterday to enter the u.s. illegally. >> bill: wave after wave of asylum seekers overwhelming that small border town. they're some of the 3.8 million who have arrived under president biden. nearly half of them are considered to be gotaways. >> dana: the administration is refusing to except a portion of the blame. here is karine jean-pierre yesterday and we'll show you what was happening at the border at the exact moment she was talking. >> we have worked very hard, the president has worked very hard to implement a strategy when it comes to the border that is

humane, safe and orderly enforcement. something that we've tried to do and worked hard to do the last two years. i want to add a couple of things that we also announced yesterday, as you just to note i'm sure you know, escalating the fight against smuggling and trafficking by prosecuting smugers and non-citizens violating our laws and deploying 800 new active duty military personnel to support border effort and get cbp agents and officers out in the field. >> dana: former dea special agents how smuggler and cartels are exploiting this. chicago alderman how his city is struggling to house thousands of new arrivals. griff jenkins is live from eagle pass, texas. good morning. >> good morning. this won't come as welcome news to the white house, but cbp sources confirmed moments ago the total number of migrant

encounters this fiscal year, 2023 has sur practicesed last year's record breaking numbers. you see so far this fiscal year, eight days left, 2,388,350 plus compared to that 2,378,000 from last year that shattered the records. more than ten those and upwards of 9,000 a day. look at the video what we saw yesterday at ground 0 yesterday. sources telling fox news there are more than 9900 encounters yesterday, just part of why agents here are telling us off camera it is showing no signs of slowing down. now, we also got news late last night out in the el paso sector, also one of the ground 0s for the migrant encounters. three confirmed cases of tuberculosis. how difficult it makes to

mitigate these numbers when you have three cases of tuberculosis among the migrants. you have the space, capacity for migrants overflowing and they have to bus them to other sectors but you can't when you have to isolate and contact trace migrants with tuberculosis. this is all part of the picture why the el paso mayor yesterday on another network on cnn blaming directly president biden and the administration saying he feels abandoned. listen here. >> the president hasn't put out a statement, the vice president. i haven't heard from anybody. nobody has bothered to call me any one of the city staff saying this is the federal government. we know what you're going through and worried about you. this is our plan of action, nothing, we're here abandoned. >> and you mentioned that razor wire put up by operation lone star. texas governor abbott and texas dps. yesterday the texas border czar

posted video of texas dps putting up more razor wire trying to stop the flow. back out here in eagle pass, so far it's been a bit of a slow morning but yesterday around 10:00 a.m. we started to see the large numbers. most coming from venezuela. many believe sources telling fox news that it is drawing more of them knowing that a half a million just got that temporary protective status. they are protected for 18 months from being deported. >> dana: griff jenkins, thank you. >> bill: let's bring him in now. special dea special agent in charge. i want to show you a couple numbers on fentanyl at the border. this week alone now, 110 pounds seized in the rio grande valley. there are 400 milligrams were pound of fentanyl. only two milligrams of fentanyl is required to kill a human being. you were in jamaica and a con fence on fentanyl.

the one country that didn't show was mexico. what was their excuse? >> well look, actions speak louder than words. we had the largest i deck in the history of dea. the number one important partner we need to save american lives failed to show up. if that's not a kick in the butt to american families, who are burying their kids. tomorrow i go to washington, d.c. for the third annual rally, families are crying out around the country. we have almost every state represented because they want to know where is the sense of urgency? why are we not educating these kids? look what happened in the bronx. they found another 8 to 10 kilograms of fentanyl in the day-care center. look at pierce county out of washington state. another 2-year-old daughter of a

guy sleeping and the medical examiner said they've never seen a child with this much fentanyl pills in their stomach. because production in mexico is off the charts and the border is wide open and they are taking total advantage. they're making billions of dollars. this is insanity. american families deserve better from the white house. >> dana: biden administration outlined a plan for the border crisis. one of the things karine jean-pierre was talking about. fast track processing at the u.s. border, expand legal pathways for citizenship. increase refugees. send money to help sanctuary cities and speed up work permits for illegals. nothing about what you are talking about. it is true that a lot of americans are bringing the fentanyl across, maybe working with the cartels. they have 175,000 employees. so how do you think about that when you have americans who are trafficking some of this very

deadly drug? >> well number one, it comes to mind the economy is so broken people can't feed their families or get gas in their car so they'll get any type of job they can get. social media, the cartels are using social media to recruit americans to go down and deliver drugs. but dana, the government right now, which i don't understand, why would you change policies that are working under the last administration, we had one of the safest borders in american history. now, we need to end catch and release and stop releasing hundreds of thousands, millions of these people into the country. they have to stay in mexico. especially when the remain -- the asylum claims are fraudulent. look at all the military age men from china coming into the country. dana and bill, i have a question for the american public. i'm pissed off. why aren't we getting the

gotaway numbers from official statistics by dhs? that's really annoying. that's the most important number. we see all these people from south america, central america and they portray them they are poor people trying to get a better job. what about the 1.6, 1.7 million gotaways that are known? dhs isn't publishing the stats. what's the reasons for that. they leave that one out. it's called deception. >> bill: we can hear your frustration loud and clear. the number we stated is worse than what we mentioned on screen. 400,000 milligrams per pound of which only two milligrams can kill a human being. derreck, sir, thank you for your time. >> one kilogram can fill 500,000 americans. >> bill: it is nuts. good luck on your effort today, sir. thank you for your time. >> dana: it's not just here in new york city.

cities afar away as chicago are suffering from the crisis, too. the mayor agreeing to spend $30 million on migrant camps despite fierce opposition from residents. what are they to do? chicago alderman lopez is here. describe the scene in chicago in terms of migrants. >> chicago, dana, continues to be a city in crisis as we are struggling to find ways to house the thousands of migrants asylum seekers that arrive every week. two days ago another five bus loads arrived here in the windy city and our mayor recently assigned a $29 million contract with the same company responsible for bringing these individuals here to now provide them shelter, daycare and transportation in the city of chicago. using outdoor tents in an arctic city, which i don't know if we're prepared for. >> bill: the migrant surge expected to cost $3 hundred million by the end of this year. the problem for chicago is that new york has already set the

example. that dollar amount is only going to go higher and perhaps exponentially, sir. >> what we've seen, too, bill. the fact our governor signed a declaration of emergency which allows the mayor to reorganize our budget in the hopes of addressing the crisis before us without any kind of oversight or city council involvement or public conversation. that is really angering many of our residents who are learning about the specifics of these contracts that guarantee the asylum seekers free daycare and transportation seven days a week. things we don't offer our own chicago residents but willing to provide for these individuals that are here in this country now. >> dana: raymond, lopez. thank you, we'll stay in touch with you as the crisis shows no sign of abating any time soon. two teens connection to the hit and run death of a retired police chief made court

appearances yesterday. the driver just turned 18. passenger is 14. both being charged as adults after graphic video showed them laughing before intentionally ramming their car into the man riding his bike down the street. it killed him and they sped off. all while they filmed it. the driver telling las vegas police he would be back on the streets in less than a month. his mother telling reporters she doesn't know if god can forgive this. >> bill: tough story. >> i'm on tiktok now. i want to tell you that because we're in this to reach young people, to energize young people and to do that we can't just hide. >> bill: there is a gentleman who called not too long ago tiktok digital fentanyl. why the change of heart for vivek ramaswamy? we'll ask him about that coming up live as we continue next. >> dana: the so-called fetterman rule dividing democrats. the top lawmaker coming out against a change in dress code. plus this. >> it is amazing to be above

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>> bill: the u.n. still goes here in new york and here is the israeli prime minister netanyahu addressing the u.n. now. >> not just for the people of

israel but for all humanity. we face such a choice today. it will determine whether we enjoy the blessings of a historic peace, of boundless prosperity and hope, or suffer the curse of a horrific war of terrorism and despair. when i last spoke at this podium five years ago, i warned about the tyrants of tehran. they have been nothing but a curse. a curse to the entire world. but at that time, i also spoke about a great blessing that i could see on the horizon. here is what i said, quote. the common thread of iran has brought israel and many arab states closer than ever before in a friendship that i have not

seen in my lifetime. i said the day would soon arrive when israel would be able to expand peace beyond egypt and jordan to other arab neighbors, end quote. now in countless meetings with world leaders, i made the case that israel and the arab states shared many common interests and that i believed that these many common interests could facilitate a breakthrough for a broader peace in our region. [applause] thank you. you applaud now, but at the time, many dismissed my optimism as wishful thinking. their pessimism was based on a quarter century of good intentions and failed

peacemaking. and why was this -- why were these good intentions -- why did they always meet failure? because they were based on one false idea, that unless we first concluded a peace agreement with the palestinians -- >> bill: there we go, netanyahu, this whole idea about a peace agreement in the middle east is gaming steam. remember bret's interview with mbs earlier in the week. there could be a deal there between israel and saudi arabia. >> dana: this is wrapping up. the ung week. see you later, guys. >> bill: not too soon. presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy unveiling a four-point plan on trade centering on u.s. economic independence away from beijing while boosting relations with other countries such as india and brazil and israel.

the 2024 hopeful is with me now. good morning, sir. nice to see you. a headline from the "wall street journal" says why aren't the presidential candidates debating china? you are taking that on right now. it could come up next wednesday night with dana and stuart varney in california. not going to give anything away from my partner right here. how do you plan to do this when you know so many american businesses are dependent on chinese production? >> part of the problem we can't depend on our enemy for our modern way of life from the shoes on our feet and phones in our pocket to even our defense industrial base. the fighter jets we make in this country depend on parts and minerals coming from china. that's a mistake. our pharmaceutical supply chain at risk of being poisoned in wartime. i have outlined a practical plan that combines on shoring to the

united states. the first best option. but realistically we'll have to combine that with expanded relationships with the likes of japan, south korea, india, australia, and other countries. what i laid out in my speech was actually how practical that really is. so historically in the gop we've had the debate between ultra free trade including china, or being against trade only in favor of on shoring. there is a better third way if we're serious about cutting the cord from china. as i am. i think we need to be. then we need to also be prepared to at once on shore and expand the trade relationships exactly how i will lead as commander-in-chief. >> bill: easier said than done. vietnam in the conversation as well. the ccp sees everything the chinese people do on their phone and on their computer. and you have said that tiktok, the chinese product, is digital fentanyl. now you are on tiktok. what explains that reversal?

>> what explains it is i have a radical vision for the republican party that we should win elections and one of the areas where we're failing is reaching young people. we have to meet young voters where they are. the gop has talked a big game about reaching young voters. nobody in the gop is doing it save for one person and with all due respect that's me. we have over 100,000 small dollar donors to this campaign. 40% of them are first-time ever donors to the gop compared to 2% for a normal republican candidate. i stand by my policy position that people under the age of 16, kids, should not be using addictive social media apps. i stand by my position of taking a hard line with china with no forced data or technology transfers to the ccp. but we're only going to accomplish that if we win the election. that's what i am competing to do and believe we'll be successful in doing it and bringing young people along in droves is one of

the tickets to get there. >> bill: you have been up in some polling we've seen. the pew research center shows this. 63% of americans right now said they are dissatisfied with the e stage. that would include you. 26% rate the quality as very or somewhat good. hum. that first one right there doesn't sound so good. does it? >> look, i do think that it is a good thing when the people of this country push all of us, me or any of the other candidates, to be the best version of ourselves. that's one of the things that i take inspiration from as i travel this country. voters across this country are hungry for leadership, hungry for direction. one of the things i think we all hahave to do a better job of is not just criticizing the radical biden agenda or the other side. we have to offer an affirmative inspiring vision of our own. not just what are we running from, what are we running to?

what does it mean to be an american? so one of the things i'm pushing myself to do in this campaign and every candidate i would encourage to do the same thing is let's level up. let's not just complain about biden. let's not just complain about the radical woke left. let's talk about what we stand for in the united states. free speech, open debate, the rule of law that we need to restore in the united states. these are things we stand for and i think, bill, the real divide is not between even republicans and democrats. we spend too much time on that at times. it is between the 80% of people in this country who believe in those founding ideals and a fringe 20% in this country that does not. that wishes to apologize for a nation founded on those ideals. if we view it that way, i think we'll win in a landslide and inspire people across this country and that's what i will be doing in the latter part of this race. >> bill: it's a positive note for you. we're watching this now and call for number four, guys, this is

the ramaswamy rise some are calling it with the desantis decline there and show this from new hampshire now. trump is well ahead of you and anybody else. at that state 39% according to the primary voters there. you check in at 13%, a point above nikki haley. you are doing something right. debate number one in milwaukee some people looked at you and thought the debate hurt you. others thought it helped you because it brought attention to you. what is your plan for wednesday night in california on fox business? >> my plan is to continue to speak the truth. the fact of the matter is i'm not running against any of the other candidates on that stage or off that stage for that matter. i'm running for this country. i think that's what we have to keep our eye on the ball of. what is our vision for the united states of america? my agenda is clear. shut down the administrative state. declare independence from china. grow our economy. keep us out of world war iii.

most importantly revive national pride in this country. by the time i leave office in january 2033 after two terms, i want to revive the national character that we are missing and make sure my two sons and their generation, that they are once again proud to be citizens of this nation and it is up to me as a candidate to set that example to rise to the occasion to be the leader of this country that they need and i think it's tea ultimately going to take a different of a generation that has a positive vision for where we're going. we'll put that on display. >> bill: get ready. wednesday night perino is coming with the fastballs, all right? >> thank you. look forward to it. >> bill: thank you for your time. we're five days away from that debate. dana moderates along with stuart varney and ilia calderon presented by fox business and simulcast on fox news channel. debate two is fast approaching.

>> dana: the daughter of musician david foster taking aim at gavin newsom and pinning the blame on him for the state's troubles and where she plans to move. port notify exposing the "washington post" over what he calls a hit piece. >> anybody listening to think you would give me a fair chance when you are leading to our sponsors before you talk to me is crazy. >> dana: how he is fighting back up next. ♪ ♪ i'd like to take a moment to

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>> i didn't say i didn't do that. that was the one that was the most -- >> dana: dave portnoy calling out a "washington post" reporter planning to publish a hit piece. that video has gone viral with nearly 40 million views which is a lot more than would have read the story about the pizza festival. let's bring in host. he said this last night. call for number two. >> journalism has become activism really. they are not looking for the truth. the ironic thing that you alluded to for this pizza festival. the very people trying to threaten these pizza rheas and be you'll write a hit piece and associate you with this bad person. they have become activists. not an ounce of journalism.

>> dana: we have reached out to the "washington post" and she locked down her tweets and said no more. what do you think? >> he was supposed to have a phone call with the "washington post" following when he confronted this reporter. they had it set up. never followed through with the call which doesn't surprise you. it was clearly a hit piece. i think all of it is so egregious. the fact he admitted to her as the phone call was starting this is being recorded and she still said this is a reporting tactic we use. we use alleged damaging information about you to try to bait the sponsors in getting a response. it is unbelievable. i went to journalism school. i never learned that. it's the opposite of what the journal code of ethics stands for. i don't see any way the "washington post", if they want to maintain any credibility that they have left, keep her on board as a reporter. she is just a scam artist. >> bill: she said to paraphrase this is how journalism works. >> yeah. >> bill: so apparently the interview never happened. it was for 10:00 a.m. on

thursday. moved it to 5:00. called off. portnoy will sell a lot of pizza this weekend and raise more money than ever before. that's right. want to talk about another topic here. the question on capitol hill is what do you wear? the u.s. senate they dialed back the rules on behalf of senator fetterman from pennsylvania. peggy noonan is all over this. the senator's shorts and america's decline. we don't think we need to be respectable. it shows finally that you understand that as a highly elected official of the u.s. you owe the country and the world the outward signs of maturity, judgment, and earnestness. that isn't asking too much. it's a baseline minimum, end quote. >> i feel like we've already seen by the actions of the democrats in our government what they stand for. now their attire further reinforces that. fetterman the perfect example. the reason the senate decided to

drop the dress code. the way he dresses is disgusting. a complete slob, represents who he is as a person and politician. he does not respect decorum. our country no longer respects decorum and willing to deg -- it is despicable. >> dana: it has gotten a lot more attention that senator schumer thought it would. i imagine that senator dick durbin had a lot of calls to his office and personally feels this way. listen to what he said, a democrat from illinois. >> i think we need to have standards when it comes to what we are wearing on the floor of the senate. i can't understand exactly what he was thinking at that point. >> dana: this is one of those cultural flash points. do you think if i'm complaining about it do i sound old? >> no, what are you talking about? >> dana: i am wondering that. >> imagine we were sitting here in our sweats. would people take us seriously?

they went to baseball games full suits in the stands in the 1930s. then our senators can't put on a suit. >> bill: you have dick durbin and joe manchin both pushing back on this. i think it will be overturned. maybe within a week. >> dana: that is fearless. i will follow you into the breach. >> fetterman had the other senator's face attached to his clothing. what is going on here? >> dana: great to have you. >> bill: we have breaking news right now here on the computer what we're hearing. the u.s. attorney for the southern district out of new york set to announce the unsealing of an indictment in the charging of u.s. senator robert menendez, the senior senator from the state of new jersey and his wife nadine with bribery offenses in connection with their corrupt relationship of three businessmen out of new jersey. that's about it now. it would be the second time menendez has been indicted.

he stood trial several years ago that ended in a mistrial. the new jersey democrat up for re-election next year that could be interesting. democratic states. you wonder it could change hands and parties in a re-election. right now menendez is facing a press conference, perhaps later today. on behalf of the feds that will give us a bit more information as to what's going down here. what have you got here? damian williams from the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and james smith. >> dana: six years ago he had a trial in a different corruption case that ended in a hung jury. he is no stranger to these allegations. he beat them one time. this one is a little different. it even involved gold bars, you know. a little bit brazen. of course, he will have his day in court. the southern district of new york said we're on our way to

charge bob menendez. >> bill: they also mention the three businessmen in this report. i don't know what the relationship is or what the extent of the business relationship is with them. in which they allegedly accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in exchange for using menendez as power and influence as a senator to protect and enrich those three men and benefit the government of egypt. so this gets deeper the more we read into it and momentarily we'll get jonathan turley and chad pergram to fill in the holes. >> dana: one other thing i mentioned six years ago he had similar charges that were basically resulted in a hung jury. those charges were dismissed. at that time in 2018 they said that that's when this one case ended but in the indictment

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>> bill: breaking news and we'll hear more in an hour and 15 minutes. bob menendez and his wife have been indicted on bribery charges charged with corruption-related offenses for the second time now in ten years. he has been down this road before. it ended in a mistrial.

got a lot of national attention. a 39 page indictment claiming starting in 2018, menendez and his wife accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in exchange for using his power to benefit the government of egypt. and they did it by way of cash and gold and payments toward a home mortgage. compensation for a low or no-show job, a luxury vehicle, and other things of value is what's in the charging document now. >> dana: what's incredible is this is the second time in a decade he has been charged with corruption. when those charges were dismissed after a hung jury in 2018, this indictment says that this corrupt relationship started the very same year. so we're just getting this news in. there will be a news conference by the southern district of new jersey -- of new york at 11:00 a.m. you will find more. he is up for re-election in

2024. yes, of course democrats often win the statewide seats but republicans came very close in that off year election, if you remember, for governor and republicans will be pressing ahead on this and you can imagine there are some in the democratic party right now, like senator chuck schumer thinking we have such razor thin margins they could lose another one. >> bill: election was the same day they had the virginia vote. you are right. it was the day youngkin did so well in virginia and republicans thought they could steal it from new jersey and failed in the end. they got close. chad pergram is on the hill. reaction from you and others. hello. >> good morning. there is no reaction from capitol hill just yet. nothing from the senators' office or the office of the senate majority leader chuck schumer. what probably will happen on the ground here, he is the chairman of the senate foreign relations

committee. what happened when he was indicted back about 2014, 2015 and faced trial, he had to step away from being the top democrat, leader of the foreign relations commitment. if you are under indictment. that will happen. the democrat from maryland who is retiring would probably take over that gavel. that's what happened last time. so right now things in washington, the reaction to this is rather muted because it is so new. and also keep in mind the house and senate are not here for yom kippur. they don't come back until tuesday. this could be a problem, you know, presenting a possible vulnerability, as you say. the senator had indicated he intended to run for re-election and the fact that he had this baggage before even exonerated in the 2015 problem this will be a problem potentially for the democrats. if he stepped aside the governor has the potential to reappoint somebody for that seat, bill.

>> bill: quick work for you on capitol hill. we'll cover the press conference at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. more to come on this certainly. thanks. >> your personality is loving, kind, you show respect to people. you show no kind of anger at all. >> trying to make sense of the things his son had done, he later recorded his conversations with jeffrey in prison. >> he is talking to the person he probably trusts more in the world than anyone. it may be the first real glimpse we get of jeffrey dahmer. >> bill: this is shocking stuff. our next guest talking there who was one of the first reporters on the scene the night that dahmer was arrested. never before heard taped conversations between the convicted serial killer dahmer and his father, lionel. fox nation streaming a new four-part documentary that

features the relationship with dahmer behind bars in wisconsin. want to bring in ann schwartz. want to play another clip that is quite revealing. again between dahmer behind bars and his father. listen to the end part of what dahmer says after the question is asked by his dad. >> has been puzzling me is how come i didn't know anything about this? >> i pretty much was doing things my own little world. all the time i should have been caught i wasn't. >> bill: what did you learn? >> what's incredible is that we're still talking about this case 32 years later, which is amazing. it is hard to think about the fact there is something brand-new. but what i heard when i heard the tapes is i heard a father trying to somehow let himself off the hook for not knowing that all of these things were happening with his son while

they were living under the same roof. >> dana: we could have a timeline here. great to meet you in person. your work is well-known and we've followed it for years. the timeline was in july 22, 1991, dahmer was arrested after a victim called police. all the way with him being sentenced to life in prison in wisconsin. in november of he was attacked in prison and killed. you have covered this case so closely and realize there were still some details you didn't have. now the fox nation documentary provides people a little bit more in this modern age where people are very interested in true crime. does that interest you? >> absolutely. there are a lot of us that have been very close to this case that had no idea that these tapes even existed.

it is incredible this many years later to find a new piece of information. i was most struck when i listened to the tapes that for the first time, you know, people are finally going to get a little bit of a feel about the person that is jeffrey dahmer by hearing him talk in his own words. even though he is speaking in his own words, remember he is aware his father is recording him and there is a small piece in the recording that we cover in the series where lionel asked him a question, i can't remember about what, and jeffrey responds maybe we can talk about that when we're not doing this. and that was the tiny little insight into the serial killer who was maybe searching in some small way for a little bit of a connection with his father. >> bill: go back to a comment you made there a moment ago, ann. he was killed in prison 29 years ago. want to point that out in case

people forgot about that. you said his father, you seemed to indicate was there suspicion about the dad that he might have known something was up but didn't go to authorities? >> you know, bill, there is always that hindsight, right? i do a lot of work in law enforcement. people say how could you not have known? we know now because of the entirety of all of the information we have now, we have to look back then. ras the difference between, you know, little jeffrey dahmer who asks his dad, the chemist, can we skin these animals? would you show me how to do this? and the kid who becomes a taxidermist or veterinarian. the go-to suspicion was not my kid is a serial killer. >> dana: one last question from me for the victims' families. how do you think they take this

kind of news? >> these victims' families have been reliving this case for every minute of the 32 years since the discovery was made in jeffrey dahmer's milwaukee apartment. the families have not been happy with a lot of the coverage. my understanding is that they were -- i don't want to say pleased but they were not as offended by the fox nation piece as they have been about other pieces of coverage on this particular case. they really feel the victims have been lost in the coverage of this case. >> bill: ann, thank you, fascinating stuff streaming on fox nation. appreciate your input on this and even 32 years later it is fascinating to look back on a story that captured is attention of the country. >> it is. thank you for the conversation. >> dana: let's get you back to breaking news we just got this hour. democratic senator of new jersey, bob menendez, is going to be indicted by the southern

district of new york. a press conference in just about an hour and we have jonathan turley, constitutional law professor. this is just breaking news, professor, but your take after six years ago he beat similar charges in a hung jury but now this is happening again. the wife is charged as well. >> this is an extraordinary development for washington. i just arrived by train and the -- this is going to rock the city. menendez is obviously a fixture in this city. he has been accused of corruption before. ironically, he was in my jury during the last judicial impeachment trial of a judge accused of the same type of corrupt practices. and yet even though he had been previously alleged to have committed these acts he had no problem serving on that jury.

this has really come back with a vengeance for the senator. he was able to dodge that bullet six years ago. this thing is really a monster of an indictment. they are charging classic acts of bribery and the denial of honest services as a senator. it will create a serious problem for the democrats. it is a razor-thin senate. he will have to continue in his position. they can't afford to lose his vote. so in the middle of an impeachment inquiry into the president, you are going to have a sitting senator who is facing these colossal criminal charges coming out of the southern district of new york. >> bill: professor, when you look at the accusations, accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes, cash,

gold, payments toward a home mortgage, luxury vehicle, these are physical matters here that you can really point to and say here is the evidence. and in your experience, how do you defend yourself against a claim like that? >> well, bill, you put your finger on the shocking aspect of this. this town floats on a sea of corruption but tends to be more finesse than he see here. usually these are not direct payments, good or benefits. i call it a classic bribery allegation. it is rare that you see this type of series of gifts going to a major politician. what is reallycularly breathtaking is that menendez just barely dodged this bullet six years ago. you would think that he and his family would