i've spoken to people, and i know everyone else has, who has sat at thanksgiving dinner or a birthday party and can't have a conversation anymore if they disagree with donald trump. he needs to be voted off the island and taken out of this process. >> dana: can we give vivek 15 seconds. vivek >> stuart: you have 15 seconds vivek. >> i have a different view on this. i think trump was an excellent president. but the america-first agenda does not belong to one man. it does not belong to donald trump, it doesn't belong to me. it belongs to you. the people of this country. and the question is, who's going to unite this country and take the america-first agenda to the next level. when we rallied behind the cry to make america great again, we did not just hunger for a single man. we hungered for the unapologetic pursuit of excellence. so i will respect donald trump and his legacy because it's the right thing to do but we will unite this country to take the

america-first agenda to next level and a different generation to do it >> stuart: that does it. i repeat, that does it. for the second republican primary debate live from the ronald reagan presidential library. >> dana: thank you to all the candidates we loved having you here tonight and we will see you out on the campaign trail. >> ilia: have a great evening everyone, good night. ♪ >> sean: welcome to hannity, the second republican debate is now in the books and we are live from the spin room at the ronald reagan presidential library in beautiful simi valley california. coming up in just moments governor ron desantis, nikki haley, vivek ramaswamy, mike pence senator tim scott will join us right here on set. by the way someone you might not expect to see at a republican debate, california governor gavin newsom will join us. i have to ask him, i came to the state first thing i see is $7 a

gallon for gasoline. we have a question, too, though to ask him but they do have in and out burger. at first sparks were flying at tonight's debate as all seven candidates easily demonstrated the ability to run circles around joe biden, we can start with that point. we'll get laura ingraham's take in just a minute. but first here with reaction in the spin room fox news contributor kellyanne conway and fox business host larry kudlow. good to see you both. headlines you run away with. >> anybody on that stage do a better job than joe biden and kamala harris, i think donald trump is a little bit of a winner tonight because when his name was invoked he kept saying he should be here to defend his record and debate and face the people. why would you want him there when he's going to eat into your time and i think eat into some of their sound bites. i thought it was a little flat today. i thought everybody had a good moment, but moments, sean, will not overtake a front runner leading by 40 points. moments won't tell the american people what you would do differently. >> sean: it has to be a big

moment. >> we're in the reagan library so we can say this remember there were a lot of questions about reagan going into the second debate with mondale and he turns to him and goes i will not allow my opponents youth and inexperience become in this campaign. even mondale laughed. >> there was nothing like that. everyone did enough to make it to the next debate in miami which is the goal. what are you doing between the debates, you have to get out there and mix it up with the people. i thought the moderators were very well prepared. you get extra credit if you actually answer questions, they came to play but had something to get out. they took to china which was great, taking on bidenomics and inflation, young people can't afford a house, people in debt, 40 year high interest rates and inflation, people are suffering every day. i think there was enough connective tissue from these candidates tonight that they can

make a case. i know a little bit more about your struggles than maybe joe biden, but i don't -- i think the polls aren't going to move much. >> sean: yeah. larry. >> yeah, there were a lot of little moments, no big moments. it's hard to get a big moment. remember reagan said to carter, there he goes again. >> sean: there he goes again. >> oh, god, for 40 years people have been using that line. so it's hard to get a big moment, i agree with kellyanne. i wanted somebody to say, as per reagan, like i worked for reagan a long time ago, i come into the reagan library, we played all these reagan clips on my show tonight, i wanted someone to say, as per reagan, that government is the problem not the solution. >> sean: yeah. actually played that clip of reagan when he said it, nine words, i believe, in the english language. >> yeah, i'm here from the government and i'm here to help you. >> sean: here to help you.

>> that's right. i also wanted someone to say that we need to get four or 5% economic growth not 1% so we should be slashing taxes across the board, we should be lowering marginal tax rates the way john fkennedy ronald reagan and donald trump did. i want someone to say that tough stuff to get the economy moving. there are a lot of good points on the economy. they acted more like republicans this week than they did the last debate. did they make the sale on the economy? i'm not entirely sure. but they punched away at it to some extent. i still don't think bidenomics was buried today on that stage. i just don't think so. i don't think they were direct hits and i was disappointed. >> sean: would you both agree with me? i felt there were a couple of people, and i'm not going to sit here and be insulting and name nays that just didn't have much business being on that stage, we all know they don't have a chance and for them this is their moment. maybe the criteria needs to be a

little tighter going into any future debate? >> well, there's going to come a time sean and larry where you have to justify being on the debate stage if you're mired in single digits. if you truly want to get rid of joe biden and kamala harris, they talk about yawn at this time, they say the democrats have unity, every single democrat was the same way, inflation reduction act, not for the jobs act, amy coney barrett, they all voted for hakeem jeffries, every one of them. we can have unity to defeat joe biden. it's early in the process but if you're mired in the single digits in the early states and nationwide, you have to ask yourself how much can isaac fuse on behalf of the team to get rid of joe biden? we'll see what gavin newsom has to say, he'll probably bring a message tonight that's a little bit better than maga maga maga republican demurable irredeemable but if you're a democrat tonight you have to be very worried that joe biden and

kamala harris are not even being asked what they have to say about it. >> sean: right, let me ask you this. >> sean can i ask a question. >> sean: this is a exit question we have the governor coming on on in a minute. here's my exit question did any one distinguish themselves as a clear person with donald trump having such a dominate lead in the polls as the one person that could give him any run for his money? >> i don't think there was a breakout breakout if that's what you're asking, no. i don't think so. >> sean: kellyanne. >> no, not enough to overcome him in the polls. enough to survive. so i think their best argument, war of attrition slow and steady wins the race. but, no, nobody there made the case as to what they would do differently or better than he did. they want to build a wall, they want to secure the border, they sounded a lot like him. and, look, i give them credit for taking on the big issues, but i don't think that there was enough clarity. and, sean, i said to larry earlier in the day, i want to come out tonight feeling like i didn't feel in the first debate which each person has a two or

three point prescriptive plan to fix this issue or that issue. forget what we want to hear. this is what the american people want to hear and the debate moderators were asking questions on behalf of we the people that weren't being answered with we the people. >> tim scott i have to give him a lot of credit because he did this riff on blacks, african americans, somehow surviving through slavery and then went on to say that the great society of lbj and all the democratic presidents since then have made the black situation worse, not better. breaking up the black family. >> sean: that was a powerful moment. >> i thought so. >> sean: he faced discrimination but america's not a racist country. >> i have to give him credit for that whether he wins loses or draws that was something to behold. >> sean: he's an inspiring speaker. >> you have to be brave to say that kind of thing and the data shows that senator tim scott is absolutely right. the worst thing to happen to

minority groups and african-americans in particular in this country in the last hundred years was the great society. >> and they're leaving the democratic party hispanics particularly. >> sean: good to see you both. by the way great being on your show earlier, too. >> thank you appreciate it. >> sean: joining us now with more, i see ron desantis is pulling up, he'll be the first guest, is the host of the hit show the ingraham angle, the one and only laura ingraham. now, just a moment, if i may. the single most question i'm asked is, how come we don't have the handoffs anymore? how come laura doesn't, you know, poke at you every night. >> i know, my football, i left tonight the other room, darn it. i was going to throw it at the screen but they'd be matt at me if i break another camera. sean number one i miss you but you look great, doing a fantastic job. but let me tell you, do have tailing into your previous conversation with kellyanne and larry. i think after watching this tonight the debate i want to see before your debate that you're

going to host between, of course, desantis and newsom, is desantis and nikki haley. because for me, at least, tonight those two emerged as the strongest advocates for their brand of conservatism. nikki haley is a lot closer to the gop establishment, donor base, on issues regarding ukraine and, you know, the immigration system is broken, all that kind of lingo. and then you have desantis, who's much more in the pupulous strain of donald trump, and probably the person, if trump ends up being the nominee, the likely person to pick up the torch after trump. so a debate between those two, maybe without a moderator, unless it's you, i think would be fascinating for the american people. >> sean: you're saying you want to have governor desantis debate nikki haley on your show. i got it. >> a little bit. but, no, us what i'm saying. you see what i'm saying about this? >> sean: no, i understand. >> that's it. that's the struggle inside the party, the populous part of the

party is much bigger, 84% of the party versus, what, 26% of the party -- or 16% of the party depending on what polls you look at. so i think that would be interesting. but i agree, i don't think anyone had like a socko moment i know vivek's coming up he's a very bright guy but he seemed like he was on the defense they were coming on him. burgum seems like "nice guy but intoes move on down the road. chris christie and pence, god bless them i love both of them but. >> sean: that's not a platform people want to hear. >> no, desantis and nicky hailey is the debate we want to see if donald trump's not going to be on the stage at least. >> sean: i'm going to ask the governor right now, considering you pushed that. anyway, laura, we do miss you but we're happy you're doing great at 7:00 thanks so much for staying up and being with with

us we appreciate it. after another strong performance governor ron desantis. good to see you. >> tell you what i've been in california, got in sunday night. >> sean: good afternoon's in the room. >> i was going to say people are buzzing about the debate you're going to do. i think it's going to be incredible. but tonight there was a lot of bickering on the stage and my thing is look, we owe it to the american people to give our version about how we're going to verse this country's decline. i think i was able to do that. i think some of the cross talk, if i was at home watching that, i would turn the channel when i saw that. so i think we were able to rise above that and deliver our message. >> sean: in my view there were a couple people on that stage in my view that probably shouldn't have been there. >> right. >> sean: at that point it lends itself more to a conversation. it is interesting, i think this debate with you and the governor is going to be very interesting, so i'm looking forward to moderating that, and i think with 90 minutes, just plenty of breathing room, that will lend itself to more conversation.

>> and you know what? maybe we can say, since the former president couldn't come here maybe he would be willing to do one with you and i. i think he owes it to our voters to come and make the case. >> sean: so this is going to be hannity one on one debate central. >> let's do it. >> sean: i'll ask him. >> here's the thing you owe it to the voters to come and make the case. no one's entitled to anything. you can say some poll months before. no, you have to make the case and you owe it to the voter. i'm going to show up everywhere, and i think there were some important issues that were discussed tonight, there's also others that i know you and i have talked about that weren't discussed, but at the end of the day i think the thing that was clear for this, there's a lot of talk, a lot of people had good things to say, i'm the guy that's done it. in florida i did everything i promised, we delivered and we're sick of the talk with republicans. they always promise all that. what are the two biggest issues right now? the debt and the border. you and i have been talking about this for as long as we've known each other.

isn't it time we get a person to come in and bring it to a conclusion and a landing. and i think if we can do that with the nomination and election we're going to get this done. >> sean: nobody brought up the point regarding the border and i thought you had a strong position regarding what you would do to close the border and, you know, no nonsense, get this thing closed. it's now become to me, more than anything else, a national security issue. >> yes. >> sean: we are catching people that are on the terror watch list. we're not vetting anybody. we have no idea what their background is. >> people are coming from china, russia, iran. all of our enemy countries, they're coming across the border. i hope i'm wrong but if i had to bet my life savings i will bet that there will be a terrorist attack that happens in the future of this country that's going to be --. >> sean: i pray we're wrong. >> here's the thing, these guys in dc they don't care. there's no urgency, some of our guys in the house care but the elites in dc they don't care, biden doesn't care. he's missing in action on this as the carnage mounts.

i agree. i think that this is above all a national security issue. now, there's also nuts and bolts issues. i mean, the amount of illegals that are pouring in, medical care is being taxed, schools, it's overwhelming communities far away from the border. you see it in new york city. >> sean: in new york city, they're paying on average $40,000 per illegal immigrant. >> and they're kicking out the veterans to make room for illegals. >> sean: the veterans never had the four star hotels. they're building all these facilities, they expect to spend $12 billion in the next 18 months and, you know, they're claiming this came from governor abbott. >> no. greg has sent some i think it's very good. >> sean: it's 13%. >> here's the problem with this government we have and people are frustrated. they can't tell us how many illegals are coming across the border or how many tanks we nest afghanistan. they can't tell where you the money in ukraine went. they can't tell you how cocaine went in the white house. but if you do $601 --.

>> sean: they spent ten long days investigating where the cocaine came from, and they concluded they'll never get a conclusion. but in the menendez case they found the fingerprints on the envelope so they claim who handed it to senator menendez. >> i can't believe he had all the gold bars, that's a real testament to bidenflation. >> sean: how much is a keel 0 of gold worth? you can't make this up. generally speaking, i guess the theme of the night, as i watched and listened to you tonight was, okay, these are the tough stances i took in florida. that's my proven track record, and that's what i want to bring to the white house. that's your -- >> yes, look, i think it's leadership and it's deliverables. so we can have great slogan earring we can have great debates but if we're not going to get this done then none of it matters. one of the things i'm thinking about lately preparing here i looked at reagan's farewell

address, in 2023 in january what would i say to the american people after serving two terms and that's really the vision of, you're going to be able to get ahead again in this country we're going to have an economy that works for people, our sovereignty restored and borders enforced. we're going to make sure we have education not indoctrination. we will be the world's leading super power and we will fend off the threat from china successfully. we're not going to have crime overrunning every city in america anymore and we're going to restore the constitution so we have a limited government that words beside us on our behalf not one that works over us. if we can do that we can restore the shining city on the hill reagan talks about and turn over america to our kids and grandkids better than we found it. >> sean: governor thank you for coming by. >> thank you. >> sean: good to see you. another candidate with a strong performance tonight gop outsider vivek ramaswamy. take a look. >> one is we do have to seal that southern border. building the wall is not enough. they're building cartel financed

tunnels underneath that wall, semi strucks can drive through them. we need to use our military to seal the swiss cheese of the boarder. we have to be honest. there's a demand side problem in this country, too, a mental health he can democratic. i met two parents in iowa, they lost their son sebastian. he bought percocet on snapchat and then he died. why did he die? it was laced with fentanyl. that is closer to bio terrorism not an overdose. that is poisoning. at our job to make sure that never happens but it's also our job to make sure that 17 year olds don't turn to percocet via snapchat. we have to bring back mental healthcare in this country. >> sean: all right, joining us now vivek ramaswamy. sir, how are you? >> good to see you, sean. >> sean: you just told me your favorite part of the debate was after the debate when your son came on stage. >> it was the last five minutes when he came on, i saw him sitting quietly in the front row, he's three years old and that's about as well behaved as i've seen him in a long time.

i'm proud of him. >> sean: he's at the reagan library i wouldn't expect anything less. one of the more contentious moments was nikki haley saying every time i hear you i feel dumber. >> feeling dumber that's the first time i've heard that i'll take that as a first. but my view tonight there were a lot of personal insults coming my way, that's okay. these are still good people. i respect the policy disagreements that we had but i'm not running against any of them. i'm running for this country. and i think part of what you saw is, i am the new guy and i do have to earn the trust of the voters at home. >> sean: i want you to slow down with that. >> and i respect that. >> sean: that moment struck me. you were sending a message, maybe i come off as a little -- >> know it ought at times. i understand that. >> sean: i'm a talk show host, every talk show host you'll ever meet comes off as a know it all so i identify. but what is it that you really want to tell people that don't

know you and see you and see you're outspoken what do you want to communicate. >> having ron convictions and being humble about your scope of knowledge those aren't incompatible they go together. the way i built my businesses is i surround myself with people who challenge me the best and brightish to push me to be the best version of myself. when i'm commander in chief i expect there will be several people on the stage who i would be relying on on that stage. >> sean: you sure you want chris christie. >> i didn't say all of them. but even people off that stage. but requiring taking america first movement to the next level but i'm going to do things differently, i'm going to reunite this party and this country. and i do think it is a going to take somebody of a new generation. somebody whose best days are still yet ahead in life to see a country whose best days are still yet ahead, too. i truly believe that. i'm not one of these it's morning in america people, it's not morning in america right now but it can be and it's going to

take a new generation. >> sean: i would say america has been in a precipitous decline. >> it has been but it doesn't have to stay that way. >> sean: here's the problem, everything we're dealing with that's gone wrong, our borders, all self-inflicted wounds. energy prices, have you seen the price of a gallon of gasoline out here. >> absolutely. >> sean: law and order, safety and security, our school system, all fixable. >> the good news is it's all fixable, drill frac embrace coal burn nuclear, stow paying people more to stay at home than go to work, stott leaping china untouched declare economic independence from our enemy communist china who we can't trust with the phones in our pockets to the pharmaceutical supply chain which i understand and know well. >> sean: trump put a tar he have on them. trump made them pay. >> i think we have to go further

than that. >> sean: what's further. >> total decoupling. won't let them buy land or turn companies into lobbying pawns, unleashing hell on the world with the covid-19 pandemic. we can't forget about that. that was catastrophe inflict order us and we if we don't hold them accountable we can expect worse in the future. in the reagan library tonight. >> sean: how cool was that with your jet over your head. >> it was a beautiful sight. it was inspiring to me. what did he say? his foreign policy strategy against the soviet union was we win they lose. now china's the threat, i say to communist china we win they lose, that's how i'm going to lead. >> sean: okay. there was a guy that wasn't on that stage tonight and he's got a massive lead against all of you on that stage tonight. >> yes. >> sean: okay. that's obstacle number one. >> well, look, the way i look at it is, i was a little different than everybody else on the stage. the reason donald trump's on the stage let's be honest is he was

an excellent president. i'm an american first conservative imnot a trump first conservative. we need to reunite the country to the neck generation to take it to next level. so i will honor the legacy more than anybody else but i think i'll take it further. >> sean: do you believe that these indictments are -- first of all. >> they're political shams. >> sean: they're all politically motivated. >> they're shams. >> sean: i think they are too. >> i will pardon him day one and i stand by it. >> sean: if he asked you to be vice-president what would you say. >> i would ask him to be my most important mentor and advisor the first year when i'm in office. >> sean: if you don't make it for some reason. >> so sean. >> sean: you don't want to answer this question. >> it's not about me or about trump. it's bigger than us. my belief is i will be best positioned to reunite this country as the next commander in chief but i'm humble now surround myself with the very best and trump is absolutely on

that list. that's how i see it >> sean: i thought your best moment was when you were just open, i may come off as a know it all this and that i have to introduce myself and prove myself i thought that was a good moment for you. >> i appreciate being honest and candid. >> sean: thank you. >> thank you sean. >> sean: more from the spin room when we come back nikki haley, former vice-president mike pence, tim scott and, yeah, we're in california, one great thing about california, in and out burger. one horrible thing i can tell you being out here, seven-plus dollars a gallon for gasoline. we'll ask the governor gavin newsom. he'll be with us on set straight ahead. ♪

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reagan presidential library. joining us now, former ambassador, former governor of the great state of south carolina, nikki haley is with us. governor good to see you. >> good to see you. >> sean: you prefer governor. >> it's nicky. >> sean: you're very nice to say that. interesting moment i just asked vivek about the moment you had with him, every time i hear you i feel dumber. we can't trust you vivek. wow, that was a pretty powerful shot. why. >> because you look at the fact that he was in business with a chinese company to make chinese medicines, not with an american company to make american medicines, a chinese company to make chinese medicines. then you go and look at the family he was doing business with and he turns around and is in business with the family that gave hunter biden $5 million. and then he wants to suddenly go and promote tik tok? i don't trust it. i don't trust it. >> sean: i agree with you on tik tok, i don't trust it either. >> no, but everything -- all of this was chinese communist party related. how do we trust it? then he suddenly decides not to

be in business the second he decides not to run for president. it smells bad i don't appreciate it. and we have a country to save, i don't trust it. >> sean: i cannot understand about this president, they lie to us and say the border's closed, the border's secure. our eyes do not deceive us but they continue to lie. >> but i trust the american people. >> sean: how does china get away with, let's see, a spy balloon flying all across the continental us over a military operation, why did we let them buy thousands and thousands of farm and ranch land, why are they our air force in international airwaves in our navy in international waterways and there are no consequences? why? >> i mean, look, i mean, this was the whole issue that i had with president trump. he was great on trade. he never held them accountable for covid. he never did anything about the fentanyl coming across. he didn't stop them buying our land. there was a chinese spy base in cuba he didn't do anything about that. this is our number one national

security threat. >> sean: he did get for the first time that i think i know of in history, he certainly had them pay their fair share when it came to trade. >> he did trade. >> sean: untrade factors. >> but he didn't do national security and our farmers are paying for it and we're seeing it with all the intrusion we're seeing in america, that should have been stopped years ago and he didn't do it. and on top of that, he congratulated the chinese communist party on their 70th anniversary. you can't be nice to people like that. these guys want to destroy america. they are planning war with america. we have to start being strong and tough with them and let them know they can't kill americans anymore. >> sean: governor they're telling me, we appreciate you being with us. great job tonight. hope you had fun. >> thanks it's always fun. >> sean: beautiful place to have a debate i'll say that. >> go to nikkihaley.com and join us. >> sean: appreciate it. earlier tonight vice-president mike pence slammed biden's disastrous economy.

>> i bass governor of the state of indiana we brought ten thousand jobs back to our state in manufacturing, i know something about manufacturing. and i have to tell you while the union bosses are talking about class warfare and disparity in wages, i have to tell you, i really believe what's driving that is bidenomics has failed. wages are not keeping up with inflation. auto workers and all american workers are feeling it and families are struggling in this economy. and joe biden's green new deal agenda is good for beijing and bad for detroit. we ought to repeal the green new deal, get rid of the mandates and subsidies that are driving american gasoline, automotive manufacturing into the grave yard. >> sean: form vice-president mike pence joins us. mr. vice-president, good to see you sir. >> good to see you, sean. >> sean: okay. one of the things i thought you did tonight, certainly resonated, is the issue of policies that we know work.

>> right. >> sean: so much of what we -- americans are experiencing so much of it, unfortunately, is due to the fact that we have open borders, we've unilaterally disarmed on the issue of energy independence and energy dominance. we have a president with a very pathetically weak foreign policy. these are scary times. this is a country in decline as far as i see. >> all the more reason why we ought to go with what we know has always made america strong and prosperous and free. we're here at the reagan library. you and i both love ronald ray gag. >> sean: absolutely. >> ronald reagan came to power when there was a failed democratic administration. prices through the roof and america failed on the world stage and he stood forward and said we can actually make america great again. >> sean: he said those words. >> he said those words and couple decades later another man

came down the escalator and made the very same promise and donald trump and i governed as conservatives on the very same record of a strong america at home and strong leadership in the world, limited federal government pro growth the right to life traditional values. but what i try to insert in that lively debate tonight was that i think republicans are facing a time for choosing. that we have to say, whether or not we're going to stay on the path of that has defined our movement since the days of ronald reagan and through the trump pens years, or whether we're going to follow the siren song of populism on more of the conservative principals. that means walking away from american leadership and the world. frankly the former president's actually advocating, sean, a 10% tariff on all imported goods into the united states. the tax foundation said that would cost 500,000 jobs. so higher taxeses, walking away from leadership and the world

and, of course, marginalizing the right to life as many on that stage of sought to do. people need to know i'm the most consistent tested the conservative president and if i'm president we're going to bring america back on that solid foundation. >> sean: do you believe that the country, politically-speaking, you know i'm pro life. i have an advertiser on my radio show pre burnings i donate for the you will ultrasound machines, they use science convincing women hey there's something magical growing inside them and they find more women choosing life than ever before. however, the dobbs decision was 15 weeks. and where i think politically this issue is, because i believe it played a big role in what happened with mastriano and frankly the whole ticket in pennsylvania, no exceptions rape incest mother's life. he lost by a bigger margin to a non-incumbent cube nahtorial candidate since the 1940s.

i think that played a part. am i wrong? >> well, i don't think you're entirely -- it wasn't that it wasn't a factor i just don't think it was the dominating factor. when i looked at the midterm elections sean i saw candidates that were focused on the future, focused on the challenges that every american family is facing under the failed administration of joe biden, our candidates did well. but largely where candidates were focused on the past, particularly re-litigating the past, they did not fair as well. but, look, at the end of the day i so admire your pro life stand over so many years, you know, millions of americans who prayed and supported leaders, and champion the pro life cause brought us to this moment. but the dobbs decision didn't just return to question of abortion to the states and that was a real difference on that stage tonight. i don't think we got quite enough opportunity to break it down. but the truth is that, whether it's the former president or ron desantis or nikki haley, they

believe that this should just be relegated to the states. i'm pro life, i don't apologize foyer. i believe that the dobbs decision returned the question of abortion to the states and the american people, american people elect presidents and congresses, i think it's time to come for a minimal national standard. i'm going to support sprong pro life measures in every state of the country to go as far as we can to protect the unborn but i don't want to leave kids, unborn children in california illinois and new york the devices of liberal governors who promote late term abortion. >> sean: never get between a patient in any way, that means no exceptions up to the moment of birth or in the case of that lunatic, first we'll deliver the baby -- >> well, the democrats are are the radical position on this. >> sean: big time. >> taxpayer money for abortion. >> sean: late term abortion. >> if i'm president of the united states i'm going to take the case for life with

compassion and principle to the american people. 70% of americans would support a minimal national standard that says when a child can experience bane in the womb we ban abortions after that. >> sean: mr. vice-president good to see you. >> thank you sean. >> sean: coming up, tim scott and he's the gore of the great state of california. ♪

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♪ >> sean: all right, welcome back to hannity. we are live. we're in beautiful simi valley california at the reagan library. joining us now, south carolina senator tim scott. senator how are you? good to see you. thank you for joining us. you had a lot of really interesting moments tonight. i actually wrote them down. i love when you called out vivek saying, excuse me you said we're bought and paid for. >> absolutely. >> sean: you said at another point which i thought was from the heart, passionate monologue almost, you know, america is not

a racist nation. >> absolutely not. >> sean: you talked about your background. and then the other thing, and it's maybe not as popular with conservatives right now, you made a strong powerful defense about the need to degrade russia's military. take any one of those three. >> think about the fact we live in the greatest country on earth but we don't celebrate it. we have people who say america is in decline. actually we are in the middle of a joe biden retreat. we've seen this movie before. >> sean: a joe biden decline, are we parsing words? >> maybe. i don't think so. the difference between a decline, i've lived in devastated neighborhoods that felt like a decline. the 20% of americans who are living in the most devastated areas of our country need to understand that this is just a retreat. you can turn it around with the next leader of this country. by doing so, you restore hope, you create opportunities and, frankly, you stop the devastation in these big liberal cities that are marching towards

socialism in the same fashion as the great society. >> sean: do you think that it's so divided, is that why -- we have governor newsom on. lot of people leaving california. you see the gas prices here. >> $6. >> sean: no, seven. >> absolutely terrible. >> sean: okay. so you have a migration out of new york, california, new jersey, illinois. they're going to your state. >> yes. >> sean: going to north carolina, going to tennessee, going to texas and florida. >> yep, yep. >> sean: and why are they doing that? >> because the red states have proven that america is still the land of opportunity. we prove that free markets and capitalism worked effectively. what we need in these big blue cities. think about chicago as a classic example. $30,000 per student for education. and yet the vast majority of minority kids are below grade level. in detroit --. >> sean: you see the 13 high schools in baltimore? >> zero. >> sean: zero. >> zero. >> sean: zero proficiency.

>> you talk about the greatest absolute disgusting form of discrimination is brought to us by the teachers unions who are standing in the door house of schools today saying to poor kids, you're trapped in, you're never getting out. and what does that lead to? it leads to hopelessness, it leads to high unemployment and it leads to crime. we've lost control of these cities because the liberals with their super majority have done nothing. >> sean: you said, and you talked about your background. you did a good job in your book about this, but you talked about america not being a racist nation. there are racists in this country. >> absolutely. >> sean: and to me that's evil. >> yes. >> sean: i believe we're all children of god, that's my firm bee leaf. >> i agree with you. >> sean: not a doubt in my mind. >> yep. >> sean: okay. so how is it that you have historically minorities in the largest numbers voting for

democrats, okay, how are they doing with your school system and how do they treat you, they protecting yourself, is there law and order safety security so you can pursue your god given happy sneeze? >> we need to go where we're not invited. we need an uninvited tore where we go to cities like chicago, detroit, minneapolis, los angeles and do one thing. what we do is we sell the gop. we sell the principles that under gird success and human flush i shalling, those principles are very simple. we need a free market system that actually says there's room at the top for anybody who works hard, gets a good education and has grit. >> sean: by the way, behind the scenes secret, your pastor, who i know well. >> yes. >> sean: says you're not a preacher. he goes you're a much better politician. senator good to see you. >> thank you. >> sean: all right. appreciate it. coming up, california govern gavin newsom live on set when we return. straight ahead.

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♪ >> sean: all right welcome back to hannity. we are live from the spin room. we are at the reagan library in beautiful simi valley california and, well, the governor of this great state, gavin newsom is with us. how are you governor? >> good to be back with you sean. >> sean: now that you went on your media for with your liberal sick fans, you come to reality and you love doing my show better. you just told me off air. i love doing your show the most. >> it's unbelievable that you can publicly say something like that. amazing. by the way favored nation status for me the reagan library at a republican debate. where else would i want to be? this is home court. >> sean: so now i want to ask you, honest question. so you see the atmosphere, you feel the electricity, you feel the room. >> i know where you're going. >> sean: you know where i'm

going. >> i know where you're going. >> sean: and you just finished a presidential debate and now you're promoting a presidential candidate against the governor. >> sean: i know the truth. in your heart, in your mind, you want this. but you have basically gone on a me media tour succeeding up to joe biden and you know it. >> sean: >> i know he has an extraordinary record to run on. objectively he was a winner tonight. >> sean: objectively. >> these guys identified problems and biden has not actually only identified solutions he's gotten bipartisan deals to implement them. >> sean: look into that camera right there and you tell the people watching, do you think this border is secure? because they keep telling us it's closed and secure. do you believe the southern border's secure. do you believe with all the fentanyl deaths and opioid deaths, is this border secure. >> i believe ronald reagan was

right in 1996 when he supported dprens i have immigration. >> sean: he also said it was the worst decision he ever made. >> i believe he did the right thing for the right reasons because he recognized it's not just a border issue the entire system needs to be reformed we haven't reformed since 1986. >> sean: you're not answering the kwechlt you just said joe's successful. >> i think he's been unbelievable successful. >> sean: is this border secure. >> we all agree we have a border challenge and we agree we need to change the asylum system. we need to secure the border. >> sean: not successful in securing the border. >> it's factual. >> sean: the border was secure under donald trump. >> overstated but i get your point. by the way i don't need to be educated on this, i have the largest land port in the western hems fear here in the state of california. i don't disagree. >> sean: but you're a sanctuary

state. >> and it's the largest economy in the world 7.8% gdp growth in 2021 and we dominate on innovation. >> sean: and who pays for housing, food, clothing, education, healthcare, who pays for that? >> well, $177.7 billion operating surplus in two fiscal years and $1.85 billion tax rebate the largest in american history as we expanded universal healthcare and providing more services including by the way health insurance which ron desantis apparently wasn't even up for the question. >> sean: save that for the debate with ron. next thing, i come to your state first thing i love to do is bring money to your economy. >> i appreciate it. >> sean: i go straight to in and out burger. >> hard to argue. >> sean: one of the best things in your state. >> yes. >> sean: including the weather. >> you can keep going, but yes. >> sean: all phenomenal. however then i'm passing gas station after gas station after gas station. >> oh, you're right.

gouging companies are screwing us. >> sean: $4 a gallon in every other state $7 i saw here. why is your state as much. >> $2 as of today, i monitor this very closely, i just did a special session. we became the first state in the country to do price gouging legislation with a new monitor just went into effect. these oil companies are ripping us off. >> sean: they're only ripping off california though? >> $2.06, this mystery so charge they've been advancing for years and years. >> sean: but the average around the country is four. >> $2.06 higher. >> sean: anywhere between 6.5 and $7. >> $2.06 higher. >> sean: your state is more than every other state. >> exactly $2 higher. >> sean: why? >> because they're screwing us. >> sean: it's not regulation taxing. >> bs. $0.85 low carbon fuel standard. >> sean: how much does california get per gallon for gasoline tax. >> when you add the gas tax you add cap and trade and the low

carbon fuel standards and periodically add, i'm being transparent, and our unique blend you get a differential around $0.85. that you can justify not $2.06. that's why the oil companies are squeezing. >> sean: you should be a dollar more a gallon. >> if you want to trust the oil companies i can assure you they don't have your back. >> sean: let me tell you something, when donald trump was president, gasoline prices nationwide never averaged $3 a gallon, never once averaged mosh $3. >> we didn't have giving back a million barrels, we didn't have opec+ screwing us, we didn't have a war in ukraine. we weren't going through this covid supply chain reality so there were a lot of competing factors that led to some of this. >> sean: but you also -- wait a minute. he made the credit energy independent for the first time in 75 years. >> we are more energy dependent today look that up it's a fact. >> sean: false. joe biden has yawn lattary. >> i encourage the people

watching, 5.94 quads. >> sean: look at all the restriction joe biden has put on oil and gas companies. >> we are more independent today under biden. pence doesn't know that, your audience doesn't know that. more domestic oil production than any time in history on pace this year. that's a fact. you guys keep making it up. >> sean: we don't make it up. we were energy independent and now we're not. >> we are energy independent. we're ingraham angle exporters. >> sean: we're not. >> this is going to be so much fun. >> sean: anwar look at all the other restrictions. >> the highest margin of energy sport in american history under the biden administration. >> sean: i did have fun and for once you finally get back to me. >> i can't wait for polliti fact. >> sean: why don't you go to the washington post. >> four pinocchios. >> sean: you get four pinocchios. i come to your state, love in and out burger, the high price of gasoline not your fault

although you admit $0.85 of it is. here's the other thing, so i have a guy driving me, loves california, hates your taxes. >> yeah. >> sean: okay? and this is what we see. he points out to me a bridge being built for the people, imagine this, they're building the bridge for mountain lions. it cost a hundred million dollars, some of it private money, some of it government money. >> a lot of private money. >> sean: some of it government money. >> yes. >> sean: so you're building bridges for mountain lions and rattle snakes. >> among other things. it's a wildlife crossing. >> sean: a wildlife crossing. >> because we've seen so many accidents we want to protect people's health and safety impacting the economy and insurance and traffic in the region because of wildlife crossings, and we want to address a vision for this state as it relates to setting aside 30% of our land to be protected for future generations. vast majority comes from the

wallen berg foundation private sector and inspired a generation of kids and we want to inspire others across the country. >> sean: so you have this debate with governor ron desantis. >> yes. >> sean: are you excited about it. >> more so tonight, he lied about fracking, nikki haley laid him out. he lied about fracking. he lied to the american people tonight. he did an executive order. >> sean: by the way there's only going to be two of you. you don't like him. >> no, well i don't like people who demonize other people or go after vulnerable communities. but i also don't like liars. in icky haley laid him out tonight. he signed a 2019 executive order, i'm a governor, i know what an executive order is. why would you sign an executive order saying you will not do offshore oil rigs in your backyard and then blame biden for not doing more across the country. that hypocrisy is remarkable and haley laid him out. >> sean: save that for the debate. >> it happened tonight. >> sean: here's my question. under any circumstances at all, yes or no, will you ever, ever

accept the democratic nomination to run for president in 2024 under any circumstances at all? that's a yes or no. >> i'm looking forward, i was just in chicago with the dnc. >> sean: i don't need the long answer i want the yes or no answer. >> to president biden's inauguration of the second term. >> sean: will you accept it. >> of course not. it's a hypothetical. >> sean: yes or no. >> no. >> sean: you should any circumstance. >> it's ridiculous. joe biden is our president. >> sean: are you calling me ridiculous. i'm going to in and out burger. >> joe biden won tonight appear you are right about in and out burger and that's the great way to end. >> sean: the last thing, all those stupid interviews made you prefer to do our show. >> love talking about gas prices and wildlife. >> sean: that's all the time we have governor >> thank you sean, good evening i'm trace gallagher and this is