to go after the mexican drug cartels. they are killing our people. in florida we had an infant 18 months, parents rented an arab b and b apparently the people renting it before used drugs did. toddler crawling on the carpet and ingested fentanyl residue and died. are we just going to sit here and let this happen this carnage happen in our country? e. who did you like. >> i have to say i didn't care for anyone last night. i think it was a clown show. burgum stood out to me though. as far as the border goes, it's very concerning to me the human trafficking that is coming across the border the children that are being trafficked that come across the border. i don't think that anyone is realizing that aside from

fentanyl building walls, the human trafficking is such horrific thing that is happening in our country right now. these are the smallest infants being trafficked over. >> ainsley: i know. >> and being lost in this country. that is the number one problem that we face right now. >> ainsley: yesterday we saw a 2-month-old baby that was found on the border. no mom, no dad. brought over by a smuggler. and we don't have any information on that child. >> no. we don't. and these so-called completions that want to run and be president, stop saying, you know, they need to really speak up and do something and stop bashing trump. trump did a good things. he started a good thing. he built the wall. at least he was trying to put wheels in motion. >> ainsley: much better than what is going on right now. >> it's terrible. >> ainsley: sergio and jared. >> we're going to get to you in the next hour. we will start the second hour of

"fox & friends." i will tell my co-anchors to start with you all when we come back. we will be chatting with you all morning. we will be chatting with you all morning. the second hour of "fox & friends" starts right now. capitalism is still the best system known to man and we should not apologize for it. >> biden's green new deal agenda is good for beijing and bad for detroit donald i know you are watching, you are ducking these things. you keep doing that no one up here is going to call you donald trump anymore. we are going to call you donald duck. >> if you want to restore hope you have to restore the family, america is not a racist country. >> people are striking in detroit is because joe biden's interference with capital markets we are subis i dieing electric vehicles. >> ron desantis against fracking and against drilling. he always talks about what happens on day one. what happens in day two is when you are in trouble. >> i am lucky to have been born in america. i'm the only one up here who has gotten in the big fights and has delivered big victories.

♪ [applause] [applause] >> lawrence: hey, good morning-good morning, family. we are in befferd, new hampshire. and the crowd is wild. it's so good to be here. [cheers] >> lawrence: we are going to go for a spin and give some folks some breakfast. how are you all doing? [applause] >> lawrence: there was a huge debate last night. candidates going after each other. we want to know what the people think in befferd, new hampshire because y'all are going to have the second primary. sir, you have some powerful words. what did you think about the debate last night? >> thank you, lawrence. it was just too chaotic. the folks on the stage really didn't get beyond themselves. they didn't reach out to us, okay, to find out who is really

electability coming in the election. what we need out here in the >> lawrence: what about you ma'am, what did you see there was there a moment that you thought that's my guy or gal? i thought all the candidates had suggestions and feelings for the country. they had great points for me not one in continuing, no. >> lawrence: sir, was there any ccandidate that dethroned donald trump? he is the big elephant in the room he just wasn't. >> there i still think he is the big elephant in the room. what i saw last night was really an audition to join the trump administration as a cabinet member or running mate. i still don't think anyone did enough to take him out of the top spot. >> lawrence: that's the thoughts that we have been hearing from folks all morning. they wanted to see more. they wanted to hear about the forgotten men and women. they wanted to hear about policy. it just doesn't seem like any

candidate rose to the occasion. they talked about what they would do. it wasn't that fiery moment, guys. i will send it to you in new york. >> brian: fire moments. a lot of people talking over each other all candidates knew this was their moment. they wanted to come the candidate everyone was talking about today. i don't think anyone lost. i think governor desantis is the only one who improved markedly from week one. although tim scott started off strong and then at the end he wasn't called on much. >> steve: ron desantis we really didn't see him much in the first hour but he made up for lost time in the second hour. you know, over the last week or two we have been talking about i wonder what those sound bites we're going to be talking about are? you know, those moments? i think one of them we just played in that montage at the top of the show it's when chris christie the former governor of

the great state of new jersey said donald was ducking and came up with a new nickname donald duck. and the other one was in this soundbite. and it's where nikki haley goes after -- and tim scott both go after vivek ramaswamy. it's been revealed this week that apparently vivek once upon a time, not that far ago, actually, did business in china and, in fact, was involved in the same family that paid hunter biden millions of dollars. anyway, haley and scott went after him on that and this is how that went. >> every time i hear you i feel a little bit dumber for what you say. because i can't believe. tiktok situation. what they're doing -- 150 million people are on tiktok. that means they can get your contacts, they can get your financial information. they can get your emails. they can get text messages. they can get all of these things. china knows exactly what they're doing. >> party and i'm going to say

it. >> made in china not america. >> excuse me. >> wanting kids to get on social media that's dangerous for all of us. in business with the chinese that gave hunter biden $5 million. we can't trust you. >> i can't imagine how you can say that knowing that you were just in business with the chinese communist party. [bell] and the same people that funded hunter biden millions of dollars was partner of yours as well. >> this is nonsense. >> it's not nonsense. >> brian: he did not let her finish. but the whole thing is on tiktok, so here's the thing, lawrence, everybody young is on tiktok. it's the number one app. right now in the country. now even the american base executives can't say for sure that china is not directly taking information and providing information on this app. so, to pee, if you want to reach people, this is a question. you can go on tiktok. if you want to care about american security, valuings and our long-term health as a

nation, you should ban it like we have on federal phones. that was a legitimate debate. >> lawrence: brian, you make such a powerful point because here's the deal vivek's entire campaign trying to get to the point where you communicate from a republican standpoint with young voters in a better way. and so a lot of young folks regardless of the threat on r. on tiktok regardless is it is a threat. the president of the united states will need to have a decision whether we need to ban tiktok and china and all of that the one frustrating thing for all the politicians on the stage is that vivek makes all the issues sound so simple that the issues have such a simple solution. they are so used to going on platitudes and talking in long form about policy. and so i think what nikki haley was saying is, you know, i feel like you dumb this stuff down

but it's actually a lot more complex than you make it out to be. we will see if it works with the american public. i think there is something authentic from the american people's standpoint about a politician that is quite direct. again, the voters are going to have to decide. i think there is going to be a lot to chew on with that exchange alone, steve. >> steve: yeah. well, you know, and a lot of people are talking about it. about how bad it is but here's the reality. because there are mrs. and millions of young americans, who politicians want to vote for them on tiktok. tiktok ain't going anywhere. next soundbite, ainsley, once again, involves vivek who had a new very tall hairstyle by the way last night. >> ainsley: the taller the hair the closer to god. [laughter] right? it's a texas phrase. >> steve: nikki haley who said just a moment ago every time i hear you i feel a little bit dumber, vivek. here is vivek. >> i think it was false and

unfair attack. thing i was actually going to retort with although i didn't want to get into mudslinging she is among many governors courted chinese investment into her own state. the fact of the matter is i have done something that very few american ceos have. i made a clear pledge not to do business in china when i started my second company stride. because i learned from the experience of the first. i talked about those experiences in my book ""woke inc."." and the reality every other american dro is beholden to the ccp. there is a reason if you look at this network the last couple years i have been the most vocal ceo who has been an opponent of businesses doing business in china because i understand that threat. from a reagan's perspective, right? talked about ronald reagan and his position against the soviet union. what did he say? we win, they lose. that's my position with respect to the communist party of china and that's how i'm going to lead us. >> steve: ainsley? >> ainsley: yeah. that was him explaining his side of the story. so it's nice to hear that side of the story. i noticed there were so many

people on stage saying well, you did this and you believe that. and then you can fact-check it to find out whether or not it's true or not. chris christie he did that he was talking about donald trump and the wall and he only built 52 miles of the wall. well then mike pence spoke up and said that's not true. we built hundreds of miles. you fact checked it was 458 # miles of the wall. mike pence said i negotiated the remain in mexico. then there was nikki haley accused of spending $50,000, more than $50,000 on the drapes when she was u.n. ambassador at an apartment on first avenue here. >> steve: curtains. >> ainsley: and she said, no, no, no, no, no. the "new york times" did have to retract a story they wrote about it she said no, those curtains were there when i moved it in. the obama administration did that. >> brian: tiktok really easy. are you pro-spy balloon? if you are not pro-chinese spy balloon you should not be pro-tiktok. even though young people were there, they are getting all their information and

intelligence and providing the news feed to shape the news the next generation is learning from. there is no question. it's like being pro-confucius institute or pro-letting chinese students become spys at universities. we should not be having tiktok. and the president knows that but he knows young voters on it so he is going to give up national security again don't worry about it. tiktoker nose ring sitting indian style white house with purple hair who is gender fluid who he is going to talk to and try to act cool to. good luck with that. >> ainsley: lawrence, i have a little one who doesn't have a phone yet. i would love for it to be banned not only for the security reasons but because i don't want her to have it. >> brian: take it off. >> ainsley: no, kids can't do this. then she is not competing with friends. >> brian: everybody knows. ask mike gallagher and marco rubio. all the people studying they are using it as a spying device.

the american headquarters can no longer say that the chinese communist government is not playing a role in it. >> steve: here's the other thing. the dirty little secret about the people in washington talking about tiktok. they say it's a terrible thing and can be used for spying pursuances and whatnot and algorithms to shape minds. but the staffs of pretty much every one of those politicians on their phone, not the government phone but on their personal phone they have got tiktok. i know 100 young people under 40, over 18, down in washington. i have asked them before do you have tiktok? they all have tiktok because they have funny cat videos. and a lot of other stuff. >> brian: pete hegseth does not have tiktok i guarantee you. >> lawrence: make that case. >> brian: is he live at the reagan library in simi valley, california. he was in the spin room and put together a lengthy package he loves to edit himself. >> pete: i stayed up all night doing it, guys. yes, i definitely do not have tiktok. >> brian: thank you.

>> pete: it's not that hard. delete. why would you let a spy balloon into your phone? but you are right. a lot of what you guys are discussing right now, is the attempts by candidates after the debate to clean up, correct, or verify things that maybe they didn't get. >> steve: steve it's called the spin room. >> pete: there was a lot of cross talk. it's called the spin room. we talked to them. we were there last night. here's a portion of what we talked about. >> if it's the spin room, you know "fox & friends" is going to be here. we're going to go talk to some of the candidates and some the spinsters. >> it was a good night. frankly, having an opportunity to run for president is something i can remind americans of how good we are that the city on the hill is real that we have been blessed with the greatest citizenship on all of the earth. >> we have come time for choosing the republican party again. whether or not we are going to continue on that agenda, that ronald reagan brought to the fore, that our administration

governed on. strong american leadership at home and abroad. a pro-growth policies. fiscal responsibility. the right to life. and traditional values. or whether we are going to follow the on the populism. >> saw doug burgum on the other side having to fight his way into every one is that your strategy? even if i'm not called on. >> i didn't come here to watch a debate i came to be part of a presidential debate. when we got topics where i know i have got more experience, more relevant experience, more current experience as a sitting governor than everybody else on the stage yeah, you have got to fight. i'm ready to fight for the american people. >> feel great. i think we are moving to a different phase of this campaign. i'm thinking about how we actually lead this country forward. a lot of personal attacks came my way. i'm not bothered by that. >> do you think you opened that box by saying everyone is bought and paid for and then today saying 11th commandment let's not talk about it but they are still ready to come after you? >> i don't think so. i think even if the first debate

you can watch the footage they came for me first. i'm not in this debate to play tit for tat like toddlers. we are adults and patriots. somebody is going to have to rise above that and step above as a leader. that's what i aim to do on that stage tonight. i want to level with people. i got to be frank about this. i am the new guy. it's okay for me to take some heat. i should it. should be a right of passage but i have to earn the trust of people across this country. i get that and i embrace it and accept it. >> what is it like to watch the debates from your vantage point? >> i am so proud of him. he showed who he really is he is a unifier. he is a leader. and i'm so grateful that the american people got to see that part of him. thankfully, that's the man i married. [laughter] >> pete: who is more nervous him or you when he is up on stage? >> probably neither. >> i don't think either of us are particularly nervous. i have entire faith in this man. >> i assume you are a big fan of "fox & friends." >> i am. i watch you guys all the time come on, it's fox. i'm here.

>> pete: who would you rather debate president trump or ron desantis after watching tonight? >> i think -- look, these guys didn't lay a glove on trump and nikki haley has a lot to say about ron desantis' line executive order and anti-fracking stance and anti-oil drilling stance but it was a nothing burger. objectively. i know i'm the spin guy and i know i'm a democrat. but biden -- i thought it was a good night for biden. >> pete: do you feel like biden is run holding you back from running? >> no. are you kidding? i'm enthusiastically into you that as stick about promoting agenda and it his second term character, decency and i'm an old fashioned guy and i believe in a little loyalty. >> pete: governor, thank you. come back to "fox & friends" any time. >> pete: you heard the governor there, guy. is he a big fan of "fox & friends." you guys should book him soon to come on the program. i know he is going to be on with sean that big debate coming up. is he welcome any time. you heard him he said i don't think they laid a glove on

trump. he was pretty candid in his assessment ultimately a lot of going back and forth at each other. donald trump, even though there were direct attacks rose above it and still be that guy oat 50 or 60%. brian gavin newsom. >> ainsley: that will be great that's november 30th. pete, lawrence was talking to people in the diner. and one guy said it just looked like a race for second place. >> pete: it feels -- it felt like it. you know, the moderators did everything they could to keep it as relevant as possible. but that was the sense in the spin room, too no doubt about it. although former president trump last night at an event said i don't think anybody on that stage is sort of looks like a v.p. so he teased that maybe they are not. but, certainly is a race for second place at this point. >> steve: the spin starts there. thank you very much, peter. >> brian: all right, lawrence. >> pete: you got it, guys. >> brian: we will be with you shortly. somebody who definitely will not

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>> carley: bee are back with headlines starting with the crimes caiaphas in philadelphia where looters ransacked businesses for a second straight night. police arrested 52 people including a social media influencer who goes by the name meatball. she is being charged with six felonies related to inciting a riot and encouraging people to steal. fox news has reached out to her lawyers for comment. have not yet heard back. this follows a mass group of looters ran being is aing multiple businesses on tuesday night as well. new jersey senator bob menendez will face a democratic caucus today for the very first time since pleading not guilty to federal bribery charges. more than half of senate democrats are calling for his resignation. majority leader chuck schumer has not done so but says today's meeting will decide how the party will proceed. menendez and his wife are accused of accepting gifts like gold bars and stacks of cash in exchange for u.s. secrets and favors for businessmen. those are your headlines, brian, over to you. >> brian: yeah, that seems like an interesting case.

thanks so much, carley. >> carley: you are welcome. >> brian: former president trump speaking to auto workers in michigan yesterday. and our next guest came out swinging against him for not being at the debate stage with other republican candidates. listen. >> donald trump hides behind the walls of his golf clubs and won't show up here to answer questions like all the list of us are up here to answer. donald, i know you are watching, you can't help yourself. you are not here tonight not because of polls and not because of your indictments, you are not here tonight because you're afraid of being on the stage and defending your record. you're ducking these things. and let me tell you what is going to happen. you keep doing that? no one up here is going to call you donald trump anymore. we're going to call you donald duck. >> brian: right. that's the moment everyone is playing back. i should have acknowledged you. i appreciate it. he put that on to fox news digital. anybody that could come up with that nickname shouldn't be running for president. your reaction to the reaction?

>> yeah, look. this guy talking about like bad nicknames. you know. look, i live in his head. he knows that what i said last night was true. that's why he spent most of his time last night in the debate reacting to the stuff i said and attacking me. what he should be doing is getting out on the debate stage and defending his record. and i was even encouraged last night see those six people who all raised their hands and said they defended -- they support convicted felon. even a couple of them started to criticize donald trump as well. we are moving the debate in that direction. he should be criticized. >> brian: so here's one of the moments for me that stood out. i firmly believe that ukraine is somebody that we should back as americans. we should not quit on another country. you went there. and you believe it. i thought you said it brilliantly. here it is. >> this is the person who is murdering people in his own

country and now not having enough blood. he is now going to ukraine to murder innocent civilians and kidnap 20,000 children. and let me tell you, if you think that's where it's going to stop? if we give him any of ukraine, next will be president obama administration. this is a guy who said. [bell] >> here is a guy in 1991 said that was the darkest moment in world history when the soviet union fell. listen, everybody, he wants to put the old band bag together bd only america can stop it and when i'm president we will. >> brian: that's the argument joe biden should be making. he won't do it. takes people like you and lindsey graham to make it. it's pathetic. >> it is pathetic. the reason why there is not more universal support among the american people is we have a pathetic president of the united states who will not make the case for ukraine because he can't. not because the facts aren't there. but because he is not mentally or physically up to making the case. look, brian, the last time we turned our back on a shooting

war in europe, we wound up going -- having to go in later and sacrifice tens of billions of dollars. but, more importantly, over half a million american lives. we need to arm the ukrainians, to degrade the russian army. this is a fight with china and russia and north korea. and iran. we need to send them all a message on this. and ukraine wants to help us do that. we should help them to help us. >> brian: governor, i think you know about half the republican house does not agree with you about ukraine. they just want to stop it including people on that stage last night. the one thing the "new york times" looked into this. and i have talked to other people, too. you say the president only built -- former president only built 53 miles of wall. they say he built 458 miles of wall because it includes secondary barriers and much of the replacement as really no comparison. it was actually rail ties and replaced by 30-foot bollards. so he did improve and add onto the wall. would you agree with that?

>> look, brian, he said he was going to build the wall across the entire border of the united states and mexico. and that mexico was going to pay for it. and when you go on -- when you go on the website and look it up it's 52 new miles of wall. that's what he built. he improved some other parts but it doesn't matter because in the end not only didn't he do what he promised to do, we paid for all of it. his promises in '15 and '16 were a lie. he didn't accomplish it. he didn't get it done. nor did he change our immigration laws one bit so that they could be sustained in a democratic presidency. all of them got reversed by joe biden. and he had a republican majority his first two years in the house and the senate to get it done. and he didn't get it done because he spent more time bickering with people like john mccain than he did actually getting something done. >> brian: but he did get -- i was down there. one was literally a split rail fence so it had to be replaced. is it true you will not be his running mate if he does get the

nomination? >> ha ha yeah, no, no chance. >> brian: okay. governor, you had a united states night last night. i also know, too. there's a couple of headlines that said you won the night. including "the national review" chris christie's night. "wall street journal" headline christie offers persuasion as a tactic. thanks so much. >> thank you, brian, for having me we will see you back in new york soon. >> brian: okay. i'm going to be here up. up next, we head back to new hampshire where lawrence is with governor sununu so stay with us. ♪ ♪ providing for your family is a top priority. but what happens when you need affordable health care? christian health care ministries could save you up to 40% today. as a member, you can choose your provider without network restrictions. sign up at your convenience with our anytime enrollment. join a christian community that supports each other's medical expenses, offering peace of mind as you prioritize what's most important.

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vivek just said we are all good people and i appreciate that because last debate he said we were all bought and paid for. the same people that funded hunter biden millions of dollars was a partner of yours as well. >> this is nonsense. >> it's not nonsense. [talking at the same time] >> i want to respond. these are good people who are tainted by a broken system. >> ron desantis is against fracking. he's against drilling. he always talks about what happens on day one. you better watch out because what happens on day two is when you're in trouble. >> ainsley: g.o.p. candidates facing off on the debate stage. >> steve: with pointed dialogue. donald trump skipped the poll again recent poll in new hampshire shows trump in the lead at 45%. that is 30 points ahead of nikki haley who is in second place. >> ainsley: let's head back out to bedford, new hampshire where lawrence jones is live with governor chris sununu. hey, lawrence. [applause] >> lawrence: let me tell you this is group number two. the first folks that were here for the first and a half hour, f

were determined to outcheer them. thank you for being here. four term governor chris is a su here. thanks so much for being here, governor. governor, have you made the argument that you supported donald trump both times. but don't feel like he can win. you got all these folks that were on the debate stage last night. did you see any candidate that dethroned him with their performance last night? >> no. but they don't have to dethrone him. not yet. even in the iowa and new hampshire primary, they don't have to win necessarily. if have you one or two candidates solid second place show they are the alternative to yesterday's news as i like to say it, that's really what they need to do it. those candidates don't have to win but donald trump can't lose. if donald trump loses iowa and new hampshire he is really toast. if any of those candidates can just differentiate from themselves which is why with trump not on the staining it doesn't matter right now. >> lawrence: who do you think had a moment there that the voters said, okay, this is a person i can support? >> i will say this, i think nikki haley showed that the first debate wasn't an an enter

recognition. wasn't a flash in the pan. she understands that elections are about choices and differentiation. and she knows -- she does her homework on all the other candidates. i think desantis did very well as well. vivek is still vivek. he is fiery, incredibly smart. comes well-prepared as well. i thought burgum and tim scott did not push themselves on the stage the first debate but they really kind of made sure they were part of that discussion this time around. >> lawrence: are you going to make an endorsement? >> absolutely. >> lawrence: the reason why i ask is folks are looking for that to be the game changer in new hampshire. maybe not in iowa but in new hampshire, you are very popular here. you made the decision that this is enough for me and my family. is there a candidate in the race. a lot of governors in the race that you are going to support? >> oh, look, when i decide who i'm going to vote for, i'm not very good about being coy. i'm i will let everybody know about it. i will get behind and candidate. >> lawrence: what is taking so long right now they haven't made the case just yet. >> they haven't made the case

just yet. they haven't made the case for most voters yet. most voters won't decide who they are voting for until after thanksgiving. polls don't matter right now, they really don't. that differentiation comes much, much later as the field win knows itself down. anybody who can find a moment to be the alternative to be on that stage alone at a moment very high profile that's again a differentiator. it's a great move to do it. i don't know if trump will take the bait so to say. any chance they can get to stand out from the crowd. that's why they have to be on the ground here and in iowa. ads are fine. but that only backs up how good of a retail politician you are. retail politics means good retail management and that's what america wants. >> lawrence: i guess we know why he is the four term governor from new hampshire. [applause] >> lawrence: governor, thank you so much for joining us this morning. i will send it back to you guys in new york. >> steve: great crowd. thank you very much, lawrence. all right, coming up on this post game show for the debate

governor desantis going after the frontrunner donald trump. >> donald trump is missing in action. he should be on this stage tonight. he owes it to you. >> ainsley: we are going to go back outside to our voter panel. there they are. that's next. >> steve: i'll get my coat. ♪

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outside we have come outside because it's freezing. and we just wanted to wake up. all right. sergio, let's start with you. finally ron desantis, you know, his donors have been wanting him to go after trump. last night he started. what did you think of that. >> i don't think he really needs to do that because, to me, he is probably the next candidate in

line. and you're going to need the trump voters. so, i'm not going to sit there and go after the voters that i'm going to need. >> steve: okay, you are a republican. jared is sitting right next to you. he is in the independent what did you make, jared, of the fact that a couple of the candidates actually went after the frontrunner? he is frontrunner by a mile. >> we were talking about this back stage as well. it's all a performance at the end of the day. and it's almost like they are auditioning for a cabinet position more than so than the actual presidential position. it's necessary. if you want to be the president you have to fight against the frontrunner. however i do think it was a smart choice on his regard to not show up. at the end of the day they all just made themselves look inferior on a political sense compared to him. and you know their lack of political suaveyness was on show. >> steve: i would like to see a show of hands.

who thought that the debate was chaotic and the candidates were talking over each other too many -- okay. it's unanimous. okay. very good. so let's go around the horn here and talk a little. sergio, we are going to start with you again. you are a republican. who do you think won last night? >> honestly, nikki haley. >> okay. >> i felt that she actually answered the questions that were asked to her. >> steve: okay. jared? >> haley but definitely scott as well. i think, you know, for his donors he showed what he has been missing especially in the first debate. >> steve: okay, jeremy is a republican who did you like last night? >> ron desantis. the big reason why is because he hit all the check marks for me as a voter. he talked about his experience, his expertise, his background. >> he talked about what he is going to do for his country and values and that for me is the goal of thee debates. >> steve: stephanie screen right in the front row you are a democrat. did it kill you to watch last night? >> so, as i had said in the

intro, i'm actually politically homeless. i'm democrat because i live in a democrat town, so it allows me to participate more effectively in the process. but,. >> steve: you want to be one of the cool kids? is that what you are saying? >> i mean, sure, i don't think i have to try that hard. but i wasn't -- there was nobody stand out to me. there was no breakout moment. it was pretty status quo. they didn't have a huge fair investigation on a lot of their answers except for maybe like the ukraine war part. but i liked ron desantis. he seemed cool, calm, collected. he wasn't overly eager and he wasn't bashing people or things like that. >> steve: since we got you right here. you are -- it looks like we got a bunch of independence. but you are the lone democrat. we have got a soundbite from last night. it involves sean hannity talking in the spin room to gavin newsom, who is a surrogate for joe biden. will he run for president? let's go to the tape. >> really, you accept this under any circumstances? >> , not.

it's a hypothetical. >> sean: yes or no. >> no. >> sean: under any circumstances? >> it's ridiculous. joe biden is our president. >> steve: stephanie, is he a smooth operator. he is good. >> you know, i certainly welcome a head-to-head between him and ron desantis. that's coming up. i was a big open school person. i was big on covid common sense and i think ron desantis' record will speak for itself on those issues and his smooth suaveyness can't match up to the record. >> steve: who did you think won last night. >> i would say if anyone won the debate hands down nikki haley. she was prepared. not only representing for the state of south carolina. she was representing for women. she knew exactly what to say and when to say it and even though folks were trying to talk over her she handled her business. >> steve: what do you make of the fact that you had nikki haley take on tim scott? they were yelling at each other back and forth. she actually appointed him u.s. senator about 10 years ago when

jim dement retired. >> i graduated classmate south carolina. i'm biased to south carolina conversations between the two. i think it was healthy that they had a debate on the debate stage. nikki haley held her ground as she should. >> steve: samantha, you are a republican. who did you think won last night. honestly i think they wereall f. i wasn't impressed with i hadfully of them. for the american people if you are going to pick someone to run our country go research how they vote on bills, who funds them, what their -- they believe. in how they vote in prior bills and what their stance is. you know. >> steve: to that point, this week some oppo research got dropped because suddenly people are talking about vivek ramaswamy, how did he business in china and took money from the family that gave hunter biden 5 million bucks. does that matter to you?

>> yeah. it does. you know, we have to break ties with china. china owns us. and he scares me. he really does. >> steve: final exit question. did anybody's mind get changed -- before you were watching the debate. you are thinking okay i like so and so. did anybody's mind change and you drifted to a different candidate? hands? all right. look. you were smart. you knew what you liked and you saw apparently what you thought you were going. to say great panel. you're going to be back in one hour. so, run inside and put on a coat. and have some soup. in the green room. great debate. all right. great conversation. all right. coming up on this thursday, the pulse of the people. lee carter is dialing the debate. as you can see she is standing by. we will head back to new hampshire where lawrence is talking to diners sitting around, everybody. look at that it's breakfast time. ♪ this isn't just freight. these aren't just shipments.

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debate and played sound bites. yellow line independents. the first sound bite is what? >> tim scott when he within after vivek. >> last debate he said we were all bought and paid for. i thought about that for a while. you know, i can't imagine you can say that knowing you were just in business with the chinese communist party and the same people that funded hunter biden millions of dollars was a partner of yours, as well. >> when every other ceo expanded to the chinese company, i opened a subsidiary, what i did,y we got the hell out of there. >> right before you ran for president. >> 2023. >> republicans gave this an eye.

independents a b. i think that republicans did like tim scott's attack on vivek, they like to see him have strength he came out with and also agree they want him to be called out. other hand, it is hard to say they loved it, when you say they are attacking each other, there is a lot of cross-fighting. people thought it was a good point, they wanted a different side of tim scott and they did. >> ainsley: ron desantis said he would use military to go after drug cartels, watch this one. >> i will use the u.s. military to go after the mexican drug cartel, border will be a day one issue. we will declare a national emergency. we will build a wall and do remain in mexico. they will be treated like terrorist organizations they

are. >> republicans and independents gave this an eye. not only a strong position, but offering a solution. people talk about how bad things are and not talk about what is different. democrats gave it a c. democrats acknowledge this is a big concern and there is something there they want to hear more about. >> ainsley: very interesting, normally they give republican candidates an f or d. this is nikki haley talking about china. >> we're going after china, china is sending the fentanyl in the first place and end all trade relations until chinese stops sending fentanyl. this is where president trump went wrong, he focused on trade with china, not the fact they were buying our farmland or killing americans or stealing $600 billion in intellectual

properties. focus on what keeps america safe. i will make sure every american is safe. >> ainsley: lee, what about the blue line? >> this was shocking to me, republicans gave it an a, that didn't shock me. democrats and independents gave her a b. she has a big appeal to independents, she will probably surge in the polls, not sure enough to catch the 40 points to catch up. >> ainsley: i know two moms that are married and their daughter is friends with my daughters. she raises money for the democratic party. she said i really like nikki haley. i was shocked. >> consistent with what we heard last night. democrats feel she is practical and offering solutions they want to hea