safe. i will make sure every american is safe. >> ainsley: lee, what about the blue line? >> this was shocking to me, republicans gave it an a, that didn't shock me. democrats and independents gave her a b. she has a big appeal to independents, she will probably surge in the polls, not sure enough to catch the 40 points to catch up. >> ainsley: i know two moms that are married and their daughter is friends with my daughters. she raises money for the democratic party. she said i really like nikki haley. i was shocked. >> consistent with what we heard last night. democrats feel she is practical and offering solutions they want to hear about.

>> ainsley: she is resonating. thank you. third hour of "fox and friends" starts now. capitalism is the best system known to man and we should not apologize for it. >> biden green new deal agenda is good for beijing and bad for detroit. >> donald, you are ducking these things, no one is going to call you donald trump anymore, we are going to call you donald duck. >> restore the family, america is not a racist country. >> people are striking in detroit because joe biden interference with capital markets. >> ron desantis is against fracking and drilling. he talks about what happens day one. what happens on day two is when you are trouble. >> i am lucky to be born in america. i have gotten in big fights and delivered big victories. ♪

[applause] >> lawrence: y'all hear that? what's up, guys? what's happening? what's happening? what's happening? what's happening? we are in bedford, now hampshire. they are excited to be on "fox and friends" this morning. the copper door, amazing people. they love the country and have a lot of thoughts about last night's debate. what is your biggest takeaway? >> i really like nikki haley, she gave specific answers on how she would fix the country. you don't want to hear just fluff, right? >> did anybody walk away as the winner? >> for me, i think she did. >> lawrence: she did? thank you, ma'am. ma'am, let's go to you. big debate last night. a lot of talk. anybody resonate with you?

>> i think ron desantis did a better job during the second debate, i don't think he resonates with the american people. i think donald trump will be the front-runner. >> lawrence: still the front-runner? that is something we continue to hear. no matter what they do at the debate, it is not making impact with the big elephant. he is not in the room, but finds some way to be there. back to you. >> steve: this is breakfast time at the copper door. going through the tables, are those cocktails on the tables? i know that is a restaurant, fine dining, are people drinking mimosas and stuff like that? >> lawrence: they are drinking some cocktails. they have a one limit. there are bloody mary's and this pink drink, i will not confirm

or deny if i'm going to have one when i leave the show. >> ainsley: you deserve it after that. that's a breakfast drink, you're allowed. >> steve: just one cocktail. >> lawrence: i was talking with a friend back there, she goes, you are way better looking than brian kilmeade. i couldn't believe she said that. >> ainsley: show her the picture of you as harry potter. i said it needs to be if you go on a dating app, that needs to be your dating profile. you are not into harry potter, but you look preppy. >> lawrence: my mom doesn't like him. >> ainsley: witch craft and sorcery, right? >> lawrence: no, she ain't into it. >> brian: that is the place of the first primary and everybody is fighting to make sure it is

not. thank you. >> ainsley: you still think brian is good-looking right? >> lawrence: i think he is fabulous. he's the face of the show. i did give him that name. >> brian: right. i don't think you meant it, i will take it. if you look at who got the most time. ron desantis just over 12 minutes then vivek ramaswamy, then scott, then chris christie, then mike pence. border security top subject, not surprising, especially when you look at the fact we were splitting the screen with live shots of the border being invaded. government spending, education, foreign policy and race, right after that. >> ainsley: if you had to say who improved most from the first debate, who do you think? >> brian: i think tim scott. >> ainsley: i do, too. >> steve: me, too. he did not speak as much in the first debate as much as yesterday. look at times, ron desantis had

a big chunk of real estate, he didn't talk much in the first hour, he made up for it in the second hour. we are about to do a montage with a lot of talk. brian will be out with them this hour, as well. i polled the audience, everyone thought there was too much cross talk. it was chaotic. ron desantis said in the spin room last night, if i was home watching that, i would have changed the channel. now had you changed the channel, you would have missed feisty exchanges. watch this. >> we need to win elections and part of how we win elections is reaching the next generation of young americans where they are. when i get into office, kids under 16, should not be using addictive social media. >> this is infuriating, tiktok

is one of the most dangerous social media apps we can have. >> it is. >> every time i hear you, i feel dumber for what you say. >> last debate he said we were all bought and paid for. i thought about that for a while. i can't imagine how you can say that knowing that you were just in business with the chinese communist party and the same people that funded hunter biden millions of dollars was a partner of yours, as well. >> nonence, what i did, opened a subsidiary in china, what i did that was different, we got the hell out of there. >> ron desantis is against fracking and drilling. you did it. he talks about what happens day one. watch out, what happens on day two, you are in trouble. >> that is just wrong. let's get real, my plan will get the job done. >> talk about someone who has never seen a federal dollar she doesn't like. 10 cents on the gallon in south

carolina as the un ambassador, you literally -- >> bring it, tim. >> spent $50,000 on curtains. >> you got bad information, they were there before i showed up. >> brian: to me, odd to see these two fight, we know they are tight. they have to separate themselves and i think they are both vying for who is the hottest commodity going in iowa to new hampshire. i walked away thinking no subject nikki haley doesn't know. she does opposition research and had something on everybody, something on desantis and turns out, fact check in "new york times," ron desantis did not ban fracking, he said that was in place when he took over. he signed not to frack offshore. i don't know how much fracking goes on in florida anyway. florida, red or blue, they are

pretty much against offshore drilling. >> ainsley: and vivek said drill, frack and embrace energy independence, he said autoworkers should be picketing at the white house and ron desantis, was campaigning in 2018 on banning hydraulic fracking. that same year the voters banned drilling and ron desantis said he only opposes drilling and fracking you hava the coast, not everywhere else and the curtains for the ambassador, china bought it and they didn't want china to spy so they bought this apartment with option to buy on first avenue, it is very expensive, that is where she lived whchl she moved in, the drapes were already there and she said the obama department bought them and did spend

$52,000 on them. >> steve: they did. we had the outdoor panel and nikki haley had a really good night again last night and i think that is reflected in the fact i just read a story that apparently and brian mentioned opo research, donald trump team dumped oppo research on nikki haley trying to tie her to hillary clinton, which would not look favorably on her past statements about hillary clinton and stuff like that. in a primary that would impact some voters. >> brian: some headlines from last night, ron desantis leads again according to "wall street journal" and tim scott is finding his voice this time and "wall street journal" had a story about nikki haley stronger in the second hour. nobody looked at this and said

incompetent and i think governor doug burgum shown himself to be competent. self-made success story, humble roots, republican, there are a lot of people like doug burgum who will have trouble getting on the stage next time, like hutchinson. how does he continue? how do you continue, lawrence? >> lawrence: brian, just to build on your point, one thing is different from this diner, they like the people on the stage. they love tim scott's story and passion for america. they love governor desantis record in florida and through covid and love nikki haley's policy and how she stands on the world stage and love the fresh ideas from vivek ramaswamy and his new approach to doing things and being so candid, they love them all from that standpoint, they just don't feel like they

have what it takes to defeat donald trump. now these guys become the nominee, they will gladly vote for any of the folks on the stage, they don't feel like they took the thrown away from donald trump. that is important to note. >> ainsley: maybe that is why he's doing so well. his record and his policy. look at the list who was own. mike pence became vice president because of trump. nikki haley became the un ambassador because of donald trump. ron desantis won because of donald trump went and campaigned for him, desantis was behind with gillian. vivek praising him and chris christie was first to endorse him and doug burgum, i don't know his relationship with trump, a lot of them over their careers in some aspect to donald trump. >> steve: now push comes to shove and after the second debate no knock-out punches,

will they start dropping out? particularly people at lower end of the food chain. check in with pete hegseth at the reagan library. he was there last night and up early this morning. he was in the spin room where the spin started, peter. >> peter: that is right, it is opportunity to address things you don't talk about on stage. it is called the spin room. lawrence and ainsley, precisely right, the center of the republican universe at this point is donald trump. and so whether he's on the stage or not, the debate revolves around him and viability of beating joe biden. on the stage with donald trump having the latest poll, a 10-point lead, you have to make the case why you are the person that can overtake donald trump and overtake joe biden should he be the nominee. you saw some candidates take the similar approach, this is who i

am. ron desantis had a special showing, i've had big fights and big wins. nikki haley, similar approach, and vice president pence, this is who i am, the approach i'm taking. vivek almost did a total 180's, not sure if that will work for him, especially as new candidate who came to his world view more recently. last week saying everyone is bought and paid for, this week saying let's all get along and saw all the incoming on him. in the spin room, he talked about, i'm learning as a candidate, this is a new phase, which is an honest admission from vivek, but tough to come into a campaign with an evolving learning mindset when you are learning against people who have been in office and running against a former president. i think doug burgum stuck himself out there trying to get

time where he could and was straight-forward on ev vehicles, but i think too little too late. should donald trump not show up and there are not breakthrough moments, they will be become debates and the challenge is to -- it is what ron desantis hasn't figured out yet, how do you chip away at trump's lead without offending his voters. we'll see if it reflects in the polls. >> steve: ron desantis challenged donald trump to a one-on-one debate and trump i think dismissed that. same time, the trump people put out a statement saying, enough of a republican debates. trump will win. let's go ahead and take on joe biden. >> peter: i saw that. you will see the rnc continuing to increase threshold for what it makes to make the debate

stage and that will lead to more robust debates because conversations can be had and maybe trump joins somewhere along the line. >> ainsley: to piggyback on what lawrence was saying, look at doug burgum, nice guy, done great for his state, he talked about ranchers and cowboys and farmers, he's a billionaire, i'm sure he runs his state, i've hired more people than anybody on this stage. every time he talked, i found myself thinking, we like him, but get him off the stage, don't take up time from the people who are really real candidates. >> peter: i think there is a lot of that and chris christie is running kamikaze drones into trump with no chance to win, raising his profile to be on tv in the future. >> steve: hey, we like tv, pete.

>> brian: chris christie is strong in new hampshire, see if he gets here. >> peter: strong in new hampshire, is 15% strong compared to 50%? rehearsing for a job on abc, i get it, that is fine. >> brian: if he does well in new hampshire, he lives for south carolina. their hope is to rope-a-dope -- >> peter: i love you, is there any conceivable scenario where chris christie is the nominee by cobbeling together early states? i don't see it. >> steve: it is early. >> brian: it is unlikely, but i add this, their hope why it is different, nobody understands what the 91 indictments will do, four indictments and 91 charges. >> steve: not talked about last night. >> brian: i think so far, it made trump stronger. >> peter: that is the premise of most of the candidacy at this

point, one would have to create an impossible situation for donald trump and another candidate in the wings, that is baked into the premise at this point, otherwise nothing else will t take donald trump down. >> steve: the human kamikaze, chris christie, here is chris christie and governor desantis and what they did last night, what governor desantis did is go afterthe front-runner, who is front-runner by a mile, in a big way. >> where is joe biden? completely missing in action from leadership. who else is missing in action is donald trump is missing action. he should be here explaining his comments to say pro-life protections are a terrible thing. look into the eye and tell people who have been fighting this fight. >> donald trump hides behind the walls of his golf club and won't

show up here to answer questions, he put 7 trillion on the debts, he should be in this room. donald, you are watching, you can't help yourself, you are watching. you are not here tonight not because of polls and your indictment, you are not here tonight, you are afraid of being on the stanl and defending your record, you are ducking these things, no one will call you donald trump anymore, we will call you donald duck. >> brian: they went after him and clearly chris christie will not be the running mate. what happened to trump in the civil trial yesterday, they decided he wasn't truthful about his wealth and will go after him and try to take his buildings away. no banks or insurance companies complaining or tenants, they say we think we overestimated your wealth and mar-a-lago is not worth that much, it is worth $18

million. the attorney general ran on the platform of convicting him, that gets people more than upset and my view, lawrence, builds up the trump support. you are not giving me a chance to vote on my guy, you are trying to take his money, let alone his freedom. >> lawrence: you make a great point, the governors, christie and desantis, you have chris christie that is attacking donald trump in the wrong way, that will completely turn off his supporters, especially when he gets into the prosecution and he was someone that prosecuted rico cases, the maga base will shut you down immediately. when it comes to ron desantis, if he would have did this earlier and i see where he is going with this. his argument, donald trump is not maga enough, he wasn't really about the maga, he did do

lockdowns. i think if ron desantis would have initiated the one-on-one debate instead of not showing up for different moments, media hits and different communities high should have done earlier. i don't know the initial advisors, i think it was a misstep. the new ron desantis could work, but it is too late. >> steve: his donors have been wanting him to push and he did last night, see if it impacts polls. >> brian: someone not on the stage last night making news, gavin newsom, all wondering same thing. >> do you feel biden is holding you back from running? >> no. >> sean: are you kidding? >> brian: nope, he is not kidding, his words versus his actions coming up. that's a lot of gel.

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>> my intention to make the federal government smaller by returning to the states those resources and programs that are rightfully theirs under the tenth amendment, all obamacare funding, housing funding, hhs funding back to the state. >> brian: that is vice president mike pence making his case on

the second debate stage and hope to get to the third one, as well. joining us is vice president mike pence. mr. vice president, you are the most unique position ever, you want people to choose you over president trump while defending the trump/pence policy on immigration and the border and draining the swamp. you feel you made progress on that, but if you praise it, they will say why don't we go with the guy that led us along the way, how do you separate from the former president? >> standing at the reagan library, it was all together fitting to talk about the choice republicans are facing. it is another time for choosing in the republican party ronald reagan told the american people we would build an agenda on american leadership, fiscal responsibility, the right to life and for the last 50 years

our party has been billed on that movement. when donald trump came down the elevator he promised to govern conservative. what i tried to make clear last night in the midst of that hustle and bustle debate and i've made clear traveling around the country, the choice republicans face is whether to continue on that path or follow the siren song of pop limp for conserveative principles? donald trump is talking about, as others on the stage last night, about pulling back from american leadership in the world. we cut taxes, donald trump is advocating 10% tax on all goods coming into the united states, that would impact inflation and pocketbooks and seen the president shy away from the right to life. it is important republicans understand if you are looking for continuation of the policies

the republican party have been defined by over 30 or 40 years, i'm the most consistent and qualified and i will lead our party and country back to what made us strong, prosperous and free. >> ainsley: who is your biggest competitor and what is your strategy to make the next debate? >> i think that would be for others to say. in one national poll, we were ranked fourth in the last several days, but i'm not looking so much at this field and not even looking so much at donald trump, as i am in making sure we articulate our unique vision. a national survey, ainsley, said i beat joe biden 52-46. i think that is because of the broad appeal and back background we bring to this. we will work our hearts out.

i will be in iowa before end of the week and new hampshire shortly after that. i'm confident, give republican voters choice between staying on the path of conservative agenda and following off to pop limp that has taken hold of part of our party, republican voters will choose conservatives and they will know where to look. >> steve: mike pence joining from the reagan library, thank you for getting upper. >> ainsley: get some sleep, we had the former second lady on tuesday and she said the schedule is crazy. >> steve: you mean the teacher he's been with 38 years, big line last night. growing crisis at southern border taking center stage in last night's debate and next guest warns the border is surging and only going to get worse. >> we have to use our military

to seal the swiss cheese, family in iowa, kathie and derrick, they lost their son, 17 years old, he bought percoset and then he died. >> i will use u.s. military to go evera the mexican drug cartel. we had an 18 month old, his partners rented an air bnb. their son was crawling on the carpet and guested fentanyl residue and he died. will we let this happen? >> brian: two things, illegal drugs, seventh and border security, the issues that matter most that came up most last night. >> lawrence: i appreciate it, we have kelly with us. kelly, you have been out of politics and decided to get back in and running for governor, why

is border a big deal way in new hampshire. >> the border is a big deal because you have fentanyl being trafficked over the southern border to new hampshire and then you have a northern border issue. i was at the northern border and we have influx of illegal immigration there, drugs being interdikted, this is impacting every state, in new hampshire, it is a big deal. glad to hear them talk about it on the debate. >> lawrence: me, too. one big issue is the economy and american people feel there has been so much pressure put on them by washington and regulations. what are you going to do if elected governor to relief burden for folks to go to the grocery store. >> inflation from biden administration, federal spending, people are paying for gas. we have a great economic advantage, no income tax, no

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>> steve: well, presidential hopeful ron desantis, pictured there, defending widening gap between he and donald trump at last night's debate, watch. >> polls don't elect presidents, voters elect president and we'll take the case to people in early states and why? because as reagan said, this is

our time for choosing. we are not getting a mulligan on the 2024 election. republican lost three straight elections in a row, we were supposed to have a red wave, it crashed and burned. not in florida, it didn't. we need somebody that can serve two terms. >> ainsley: kellyanne conway will react, good morning to you. >> kellyanne: good morning. great coverage this morning. >> ainsley: thank you, you did a great job with sean after the debate, so thank you for waking up early with us. >> steve: i hear the crickets in the background. >> ainsley: what did you think of ron desantis's performance last night? >> i was looking at my watch 15 minutes in, did better the second hour. this morning you say, did i

learn anything new or dr differently about them? some are repeating their bios and talking points. the other thing some will ask is did anybody give me cause for pause? i'm on this path to support the guy to do the job in the future has done the job in the past. did anyone make me think twice about that? the other thing i see on the stage, respectfully, nobody is under oath, not a full story about how full-throated and all in they were during the trump presidency. i worked there every single day for four years, with exception of vivek ramaswamy, every man and woman on the stage was part of the trump administration, including doug burgum, his wife was helpful, as well. so in some ways, you have to distance yourself from the work you tried to support in the trump/pence administration and

tell americans how we would do it different and we didn't hear that. and electability, sucked the life out of great conservative candidates. voters don't ask who can win, they ask who can lead. the electability is why he is prohibitive front-runner, he's overcome that the establishment created to try to stop him. it is richly ironic. why do they talk more about trump than joe biden and kamala harris? my girlfriends and i, when we want to feel super smart, we say two words kamala harris, they hardly said her name last night. >> brian: do you think any of the candidates rather face gavin

newsom or joe biden? >> they'd rather face joe biden. >> steve: 100%. >> kellyanne: you know what you get, joe biden has no good news and no one is polling. nbc and these other friends of his who would prefer democratic presidents, no doubt, are running polls that must cost millions, to show joe biden and kamala harris have no good news. they are not above -- and i think that gavin newsom would be a wild card that people aren't ready for. it is difficult to dislodge a sitting president and we are getting late. nevada rules, you have until october 16th to qualify. sounds great on paper. democrats making big mistake keeping biden-harris for their party, but we'll take it.

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>> put people back to work. >> we're going to open up federal land. >> eliminate gas and diesel tax so they have more money. >> open up our energy, we will be energy dominant. >> brian: talking about the economy for two minutes, the candidate layout their plan to turn around the country, whose message appealed most to the voters? go back to the panel on this beautiful fall day. thank you for joining us. back row, sergio, what were you looking for and what would affect you most that a candidate could say? >> they failed to speak about the economy and that was the biggest point in reference to particularly the hispanic voter. the hispanic voter has been on

the economy, the entire time that biden has been in power. >> brian: what do you mean by that? >> they have been trying to figure out a way to make ends meet, especially since biden has been in office. no one addressed that yesterday and that was going to be huge. >> brian: you want to hear how you attack inflation, it is very hard without raising rates. that seems to be the tune. raise rates because everything is high. everything is high and now you have high interest rates. >> tough predickasm to be in, i think the biden administration has done better than people give them credit for. raising interest rates is tough, you are seeing rates come down steadily, it is important to question why rates are high and how much the former administration is responsible. >> brian: could you say with

printing of money inflation was 1.8 and gone up 17% since -- >> how much is spillover from prior administration policy? >> brian: the rescue package, the infrastructure package, inflation reduction package, that's a lot of spending. go over to jeremy lee, what did you hear last night? the economy was maybe the sixth topic. >> they briefly mentioned we have healthcare spending crisis in america, two thirds of bankruptcies are caused by rising healthcare bill and reality they mentioned for a couple minutes. >> brian: healthcare. stephanie, that is an important point, ron desantis never answered there were 2.5 million uninsured floridians. he said we don't have a lot of state spend programs.

>> i actually am uninsured, i lost my job during the pandemic as a new york city teacher, i was fired for not complying with the mask mandate. i have concern not having health insurance, but i like the idea that free market and unleashing power of the american worker is the answer. maybe as a 33-year-old i don't want to invest so much in health insurance, have a savings and if anything happens, i can use my savings, god forbid. i want to be able to move from my condo, to a house. be able to go to the grocery store and buy good food. there are people begging for teachers. dennis, you are a middle school teacher and have great benefits, but they don't pay enough in the overall salary. what did you hear last night or

didn't? >> what i heard, folks focused on education and that is important. nikki haley is focused on education, when it comes to our economy, make sure we have that at the forefront. new york city is expensive as well as many states across the country and millennials can't afford to live, it is expensive. >> brian: spending 14 billion on illegal immigrants not helpful. final thought about what you heard or didn't hear? >> i don't think anyone had an economic plan going forward, it is just blame the prior person, blame trump or biden, blame game and no clear direct path to saving this country. >> brian: right. somehow the government, best they can do is get out of the way and give you an opportunity to be successful, don't

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>> steve: today lawrence jones is live in bedford, new hamp hampshire. they're clapping for him because it's been a busy day. >> you are looking at the beautiful people here in bedford, new hampshire. who won last night's debate? >> i don't think there was an

actual winner. i liked what desantis had to say, ramaswamy. i didn't like the bickering. i changed the channel when it was happening. to be determined, i guess. >> absolutely. who won last night? >> trump won. he is my guy. >> who won for you? >> trump won. >> why? >> because he has been there and proven himself and he has changed this economy, he changed the united states, and we need him back to change it back to the better. [applause] >> a lot of people agree with that. who won? >> i don't think anyone won last night. i think vivek was the only one that pointed out they were all on the same page but they kept taking cheap shots at each other. >> you didn't like that. >> it was silly. tim scott and nikki haley and then she going after vivek every time he opens his mouth she feels dumber.

that was a cheap shot. i think trump. >> sir, who won last night? >> i'm hoping nikki haley. i think she has the best chance in the general election, which is my goal is to get rid of biden. so i will vote for whoever i think has the best chance against him. i think if it's trump, which it probably will be, it will be a lot closer than if it's someone like nikki haley who is a little more moderate. when it comes to the general election, that's what is going to garner the most votes. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. this has been so great. thank nate doing an incredible job with us these past two weeks. >> steve: thanks to the people there at the copper door. lawrence, have one of those pink cocktails you were showing us earlier. [applause] >> see you all tomorrow. >> bill: good stuff. good morning, everybody. republicans about to hold their first hearing on the