i think trump. >> sir, who won last night? >> i'm hoping nikki haley. i think she has the best chance in the general election, which is my goal is to get rid of biden. so i will vote for whoever i think has the best chance against him. i think if it's trump, which it probably will be, it will be a lot closer than if it's someone like nikki haley who is a little more moderate. when it comes to the general election, that's what is going to garner the most votes. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. this has been so great. thank nate doing an incredible job with us these past two weeks. >> steve: thanks to the people there at the copper door. lawrence, have one of those pink cocktails you were showing us earlier. [applause] >> see you all tomorrow. >> bill: good stuff. good morning, everybody. republicans about to hold their first hearing on the impeachment

inquiry into president biden. this is the investigative aspect of this hearing. it begins with evidence and emails and bank records and it starts at the top of the next hour. republicans claim it shows the president profited from his son's overseas business deals. we'll see how they make that case coming up live and we'll watch it together. want to show you a live look at the border. this is before the sun is now up in eagle pass, texas. the president will be in arizona today. he will be in tempe, east of phoenix, a stop in the southern border is not on his schedule. we watch all that today and we'll get to that momentarily. first, however, back to last night where the dust is settling from debate two. republicans trading fire on just about everything and things were rowdy. i'm bill hemmer and my partner, dana perino was in the line of fire all night long. good morning to you. the first thought i have is

seven people on stage, it's crowded, everybody was looking for oxygen. did you hear a clear winner in last night's debate? >> dana: a couple things. i don't think so. i'm still a little bit reeling from it all. we knew all seven candidates believe they had to have a big break-out moment. one of the things was hard to get past was they wanted to have their break-out moment and answer every topic in the first question of the night. we started with the economy. the most important issue on people's minds but they also immediately turned to the border and crime and china. i said trust me, we have two hours. we're going to get there. but the other thing is we talked a lot about in the preview to the debate that ronald reagan used the phrase are you better off today than you were four years ago? it was simple, clear, it has stood the test of time. what i did not hear last night is a good line like that. a planned one. i don't have a memorable line that comes to mind this morning.

>> bill: wow. maybe that says a lot, actually. perhaps it does. at the end of the day, you said who you think should be voted off the island. was that the exchange? >> dana: the reason i asked the question, i will tell you i did it in a fun way, but mathematically if you are looking at this debate or this campaign, you have all these candidates, seven of them that made the debate stage. president trump is up 40 points on them. i realize in iowa and new hampshire it's not as big a lead but a pretty good lead. if the field does not narrow, for republicans watching the debate last night and those here in the room and at home they know if it doesn't narrow, president trump goes ahead and walks away with it. so that's one of the things. i will tell you this. they didn't want to write down and say who they would vote off the island. i promise you, their campaigns, you know this, bill, you get the calls as well. they call us every day and try

to convince us that somebody else should be voted off the island. i understand and respect they didn't want to do it last night but surely you know back with their supporters and donors they are thinking the same thing. >> bill: you are right about that. so and so should not be here. we'll go through a lot over the next two hours. i want to show our viewers highlights from last evening. watch. >> we need to be focusing on companies that produce in america, not companies helping china. >> i watch these guys in washington, d.c. and they don't care about the american people. they don't care about the fentanyl deaths. they don't care about the communities being overrun because of this border. they don't care about the mexican drug cartels. >> i can't imagine how you can say that knowing that you were just in business with the chinese communist party and the same people that funded hunter biden millions of dollars was a partner of yours as well. >> i want to look at the camera

and tell you donald, i know you are watching. you aren't here tonight because you are afraid of being on this stage and defending your record. >> which one of you should be voted off the island? >> in all due respect we're here, we're happy to debate. >> dana: so we will talk to two candidates this morning. florida governor ron desantis and former south carolina governor nikki haley. let's big the madison. it was great to have you and get your reaction this morning. >> absolutely. sparks did fly on a variety of issues last night. energy, that was a big focus of the debate. candidates talked how they want to release the power of american energy but nikki haley came after ron desantis and warned that he is anti-fracking and oil drilling. banning the practice in florida. governor desantis defended that by saying it was a constitutional amendment and out of his hands. take a listen to the exchange. >> ron desantis is against

fracking. he is against drilling. he has been against -- you did it. >> governor desantis. this question is for you. >> our voters enacted a constitutional amendment. >> you banned it before they voted. >> that's not true. >> you banned it before knee voted. they didn't vote on fracking. >> you are totally wrong. >> setting a constitutional amendment voted by floridians on the 2018 ballot for banning off shore drilling. he did campaign during his 2018 run for governor promising to ban fracking and off shore drilling. that punch somewhat landed. economy driving the conversation. candidates talked about who is responsible for high inflation. >> families are struggling in this economy and joe biden's green new deal agenda is good for beijing and bad for detroit. >> disastrous economic policies that have driven up prices,

driven up interest rates and mortgage rates at the same time wages remaining stagnant. >> the overspending, taking all biden's rules and regulations. i will throw them in the trash can an day one. >> they had strong words about the looming government shutdown. >> in 40 years congress has only delivered a budget on time four times in 40 years. if they don't keep the government open, they should not get paid. no pay, no budget. >> a lot of fire. some of it, dana, was over one another making it hard to hear but a lot of interesting -- >> dana: there was a lot of talking over each other but some had a change of tactic. in particular i noticed with vivek ramaswamy from milwaukee to california. did you notice that? >> absolutely. someone must have told him what you are doing is not working. he wants to be authentic and does it pretty well. it was weird to see him go from so on the attack to then saying oh, i'm learning and these

people could be in my cabinet. i think he was trying to make the argument i'm learning that i shouldn't have been that aggressive or rude but candidates called him out on that. you can't bully me one day and be my friend the next. >> dana: the rnc believes this is a strong republican field overall. leadership emerging and there are seven. i don't know how many there will be at the next debate that takes place in november. thanks. >> bill: here are some of the notes i was taking last night as i was watching you out there. >> dana: i would love to be there to read those. >> bill: i thought desantis had a good answer on education in the 10:00 eastern time hour and came back with a half hour on an answer on military service which i don't think he stresses enough. he was in iraq and he was at gitmo as well. vivek was in the crosshairs of just about everybody. you wonder how it settles in over time and see how it goes.

burgum, the governor from north dakota was trying to get in there on technology and energy. a lot of experience in both on he was denied on that. with desantis and chris christie several times and mike pence to a lesser degree calling out donald trump several occasions trying to pull him into the debate. they knew he was in michigan doing counter programming. i want to move to this. i mention edmonton -- talked about education. >> we need complete transparency in the classroom. no parent should wonder what is said or taught to their children. >> this school system is no longer run by the public. it is run by the teachers unions. >> our countries education system is on decline. >> bill: obamacare your question. i'll save that. when you oz a moderator are in the moment and you are center

stage, sometimes it's hard to get a read, right? producers are talking in your ear, trying to figure out what's in front of you, what you've done and still have to get to. a lot of times on the fly you are throwing things out in the moment. when you watch this now, even though it's so fresh, what is your first thought there? >> one thing i felt like i was able to be fully present last night. there was no other option. they all wanted the talk. i would disagree with you on burgum. he didn't get to answer the energy that moment but he answered it a couple times and he has a good record and the entire state of north dakota pulling for him on the energy side of things for sure. on education, one thing i didn't see enough of was the understanding that this is really upsetting for those parents, imagine that you realize you've been sending your kid to school and they can't read and they can't do math and you are trying to work 1 or 2

jobs to make ends meet and it hurts their livelihoods for their future. it doesn't set them up for success. it hurts our national competitiveness and security. threads could have been pulled together a little bit. on education i thought they did fairly well on that. i like the obamacare moment mostly because we didn't get an answer to the question. >> bill: you brought it up. go ahead call for number three. here it is from last night. >> dana: obamacare here to stay? >> complete me speak to the mass shootings and i'll answer that question. as a father of three and grandfather of three beautiful little girls i am sick and tired of these mass shootings happening in the united states of america. >> dana: does that mean obamacare is here to stay? >> we have to put the patient in the driver's seat. they have been in the back seat for too long. >> why is your record in florida on insurance worse than the national average? >> we won't be like california and have massive numbers of

people on government programs without work requirements. >> bill: what's the summary of that do you think? what's the conclusion? pence didn't give you an answer. >> dana: i think one of the things i started off with is republicans have run on several occasions on repealing and replacing obamacare. didn't happen in 2016, 2020. basically it goes by the wayside. is it here to stay? truth is it would have been a better question 28 million americans are without insurance now. obamacare didn't work and now i will do this. when i say that maybe pence will say i didn't get to answer the gun question but i asked about obamacare but answered about guns. that's up to them. nothing that we can do to change that. they made decisions about what they wanted to talk about and i think he thought talking about guns was more important in that moment. >> bill: i don't think we get a debate for two more months. >> dana: november. >> bill: we'll get a debate with ron desantis and gavin newsom.

sean hannity pressed him. is biden in the game? >> yes or no, will you ever, ever accept the democratic nomination to run for president in 2024 under any circumstances at all? that's a yes or no. >> i'm looking forward -- i was just in chicago with the dnc. >> i want the yes or no answer. >> president biden's inauguration. >> will you accept it under any circumstances yes or no? >> no. >> dana: i will watch that debate. >> bill: yes, we shall coming up in late november as well. that clears the deck a little bit from last night. there will be a lot of reaction as we move throughout the morning. you mentioned the border. let's go back to that right now as we roll on. >> we have to use our military to seal the swiss cheese of a

southern border. >> bill: the migrant surge a major topic. upwards of 50,000 crossings this week alone. live report from the epicenter of the crisis, a live look now as more crossers in eagle pass come our way. >> dana: it is amazing. talking to bill melugin out here. an update on the senate dress code debacle. the rule that was unanimously reinstated and what it means for john fetterman. plus this ♪ . the diversity of this community as distinct. >> bill: you have seen polling among hispanic voters souring on president biden. this would be a major deal. how his campaign is trying to flip the script on that as we roll on on this the morning after debate number two. ♪

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support for the president slips in a matter of months. the president's campaign made a lot of missteps from creating a website poorly translated to spanish to the first lady mispronouncing bodega. see how it goes. >> i'll do on day one sign an exec tifb order to send the national guard to partner with customs and border control to make sure we stop the flow of fentanyl over the board. >> defund sanctuary cities. >> use our military to seal the southern border. >> dana: one of the top issues in the presidential debate last night. on the ground the number of migrants trying to enter the u.s. is staggering. more than 500,000 -- 50,000 in less than a week. griff jenkins is live at the epicenter of the crisis in eagle pass, texas. some people feel like the impression might be it's 500,000 because so many people are pouring into the border towns

and port towns. they are completely overwhelmed. the pictures this morning are still unbelievable. >> just totally overwhelmed. make no mistake. every official tells me off camera we are hitting a breaking point, no doubt. the fox flight team in the air you can see the active migrants crossing right now here in the el paso area. another 2,000 migrants crossing in the last 24 hours. go back nine days and you will have eclipsed the entire population of the dallas cowboys stadium. the aerial shot. it holds 80,000. more than 80,000 in nine days have illegally crossed our border. most released into the u.s. that's why people are so very upset in the capacity. we don't have any place to put them. 25,000 all sectors full. democrats are speaking out. not just republicans. democrats like eddie morales the local state rep.

he says it's time that vice president kamala harris and biden administration get down here to see it. listen here. >> the immigration czar should be here. it is -- it is that important. should be here and in el paso and down in the valley as well. they need to take this as a priority. >> speaking of el paso, look at these pictures. this was two stash houses in el paso that they busted, 42 migrants were apprehended in that. i'm told from my sources in el paso last night that migrants are all over this street causing havoc. there is nowhere for them to go. as we take a last look at the live shot from our drone you can see the migrants crossing. on the other side is mexico. in just a little while i will go with congressman tony gonzalez over there and he is taking action, he has had enough and wants to talk to mexican officials over there. we'll accompany him and see what solutions the mexican officials

have and we'll bring them to you. >> dana: griff jenkins in eagle pass. >> bill: that should be a moment. stay tuned for that. the former border patrol chief and acting ice director. president biden will be in arizona today. he is not going close to the border. in arizona, 347,000 crossings in the tucson sectors, yuma sector 168,000 crossings. simple math and you are at half a million. here is the cover of the "new york post" with a picture fro this week coming to america, it is a snap. with migrants taking selfies. so much of this visit by biden is politics. the white house tells us he will talk about threats to democracy. it rates well with democrats. he will not, as i mentioned, go anywhere close to the border. the border rates big with

republicans, sir. >> good morning, bill. it is a tragedy to see what's going on every day at the southwest border. it keeps getting worse and worse. the president has his own airplane. it would be a very short flight to a place like nogales where i worked to see the men and women or the front line of dhs and border patrol agents doing the best they can under trying circumstances. just imagine how stressed out they are. them and their families having to deal with this wave of humanity every single day with no end in sight, right? like you said the republicans in the house, we heard it on the debate stage last night and talked about what's going on at the border. everybody on the right at least is complaining about this. and this president, what have they done? tore down the control levels they had when they took over. it has gotten worse every time. we have the secretary of homeland supreme court telling the world ice won't go looking for you. you won't stop the flow at the

border without the right policies in place. you can operationalize and put more people and put national guard and call out the military. if the policy is to incentivize people that come to the border and then released by cbp because there is no room in detention or because they are making a frivolous claim to asylum and released into the united states. for the migrants, smugglers, cartels, that's success. if you keep giving them that prize at the end of the trail, then they are going to keep coming. there is no end in sight. >> bill: drugs in america, ann milligram was on our show the dea administrator says they are tracking these cartels. this is her comment from our program yesterday. >> the cartels have thousands of employees. we are tracking them in over 50 countries around the world and we're tracking billions of dollars. we now know thousands of their members, where the money is flowing, and we are investigating and attacking. >> are we making any headway on that? >> well, it is getting worse,

right? because every single day the same cartels that she is talking about, who smuggle this poison into the united states, are being enriched by this flow of humanity that's coming through mexico up from central america up from places like venezuela, right? there is an endless pipeline. the policies of this administration, the lawlessness they have promoted, puts money in the pocket of the cartels in the millions per day, per week. >> bill: thanks for coming on here. it is not often that you can watch a major national or international story live on tv every day. but if you choose this network, you can. ron, thank you for your time and we'll talk down the road. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> bill: back to dana. >> dana: great segment. we are taking the pulse of the people and getting thoughts about last night's debate. tiktok was a topic. tyrus and pete hegseth join me next to discuss.

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>> bill: last night's debate getting a lot of reaction in the all-important state of iowa. brian brenberg is back there live again in urbandale near des moines. what are they saying about last night? >> yes, sir, we're back at the machine shed diner. i actually found another brian. we have to stick together. he saw the debate last night. tell us about your impressions and what stood out to you? >> i felt the candidates did a lot of attacking each other back and forth on some things. i think they hit on some of the obvious issues like inflation, the border, things like that. but i felt like there was a lot of recognizing who did better on the previous debate and they tried to attack those people and tried to make them not look quite as good as they did before. >> what did you want to hear ideally if they would hit the things you wanted to hear what would it have been?

>> solutions on inflation. that's the biggest problem. i pay a lot more every day for most of the goods i buy. how do they fix that type of thing? that's the problem. the border is a big problem. they pointed that out but what's the substance behind what will you do to fix it? i feel obvious things they pointed out but not a lot of this is how we'll fix it. >> give me the impression you have a solution. >> right. >> do you have a leaning as you watched a couple debates? >> if i looked at the last two i felt like last night desantis did a nice job of doing more of the solutions and this is what i've done in my state and propose to do if i do get in the white house. i thought he did a nice job of that. i thought he did more of attacking biden and the problems that he had not necessarily going after the others. >> one big name wasn't on the stage last night obviously. how important do you think it is to have the former president on that debate stage as we move through the process? >> i think it's extremely

important. right now he is, of course, has a huge lead. others are trying to figure out how to get second place and if they don't have the ability to go up against him i don't know how i can change my vote on it because right now he is the one that has shown he can do a lot of things and nobody else has shown they can do much against that. >> you need to see everybody on the stage. a lot of the same answers. they want to see solutions. i will give brian a chance to give back to his bacon. we'll be here through the big money show at 1:00. >> bill: sounds great. great to have you back again today in iowa. there you go. >> this is infuriating. tiktok is one of the most dangerous social media apps that we could have. and what you've got, honestly, every time i hear you a feel dumber for what you say because i can't believe that china knows exactly what they're doing. what we've seen and you have

gone -- not america, you are not wanting kids to go an get on the social media that's dangerous for all of them. when you were in business with the chinese and gave hunter biden $5 million. we can't trust you. we can't trust you. >> dana: that was nikki haley and vivek ramaswamy arguing over banning tiktok last night. the presidential candidates showing how divided washington is over that app with concerns ranging from national security and youth mental health. we're joined by tyrus and pete hegseth. listen more to vivek ramaswamy what he said about the dangers of social media. >> we have to bring back mental healthcare in this country not with pumping pharmaceuticals with faith bsh based approaches. if you are 16 years old or under you should not be using an addictive social media product period. we can revive both the mental health of this country while stopping the fentanyl epidemic

that will kill more people this year than who died on 9/11. >> dana: i'm fortunate. you are great an analyst but also fathers. i'm curious when you think about what nikki haley was saying children should not be on it. >> i agree with that. it should be parents that step into the gap and determine those guardrails before the government has to do it. but so i think vivek ramaswamy is right in the substance talking about minds not prepared for this type of thing. let's wait to a certain age. he walked into it when the right question was answered jake paul with social media influencer and gets convinced to get on tiktok to reach out to the kids. that looks like an about face. it looks like a flip. i'm not for the chinese owned tiktok but i will get on to it win votes. either you are all in on is subject and that's when nikki haley seized on this idea who is vivek ramaswamy?

so strong in the first debate. they came at him in this one and they provided the opening for them there. >> dana: that was stuart varney's question on the influencer. i wonder how vivek gets out of that? one of the things he was saying if republicans want to win elections they have to be where the people are and be communicating to them. as i understand it, conservative content does very well on tiktok. he is saying we have to be there in order to win. >> we have to make a choice. sometimes you might lose that but end up winning. i remember parents can't wait for the government to do something as far as tiktok. tiktok is banned in my house. most all of social media for my kids is banned if it's not supervised. they take them down the worm holes. the illusion of making money on tiktok is more important than the content because china doesn't run the same tiktok we run for reasons. it's dangerous to their children. our children 2 or 3 kids make a lot of money. millions of kids who get on there and try to do that and try

to follow some of the influencers and we see all the accidents that happen or putting what was it nyquil on chicken on the dangerous things that kids are doing unsupervised and tiktok gets a pass because it's monetized. that's the problem. capitalism and freedom versus parenting. both don't go together. parents have to say no tiktok. at the same time, if a kid has to wait to 18 to get a pack of cigarettes and wait to 21 to get a beer but go on tiktok and learn how to make them at home. you need to make up your mind. >> dana: abc news asked a youth mental health crisis. is social media facing its own tobacco moment. there was a bipartisan moment happening in washington, d.c. who knew you could get republicans and democrats to agree on anything. what happened last night the senate decided voted unanimously on a resolution based on a bill by senator manchin to restore

the dress code that now you will have to wear a suit including that man, john fetterman. quick thoughts from you both on that. >> he doesn't get to dress like that anymore in the senate. that's what it takes to get 100 senators to agree in america today. at least it's a good step but a little baby step. >> he is a unifier. slow clap. now can we fix the inflation now, can we get some things done? >> we have agreed on getting dressed. >> listen, i'm the last guy. i dress my brand because i'm an entertainer. if i was elected by the people and no rather in the room guess what tyrus would have no hat on. >> dana: we would love to find that suit for you. >> day suits, maybe a leisure suit. >> dana: i would take ten of mine to make one of yours. thank you for everything you have done. >> i would have voted you off the island for that comment.

>> dana: fox team amazing what they did here. >> bill: republicans going to hold the first impeachment hearing on the president. a hearing on the hill. we'll listen and hear the case they're trying to build against the president. plus this from philly. >> this is why we are here. you cops don't -- >> bill: dozens of looters swarming the streets of philadelphia putting the city in distress this week. nikki haley will join us, ron desantis will join us on their plans to crack down on crime in big cities. >> we have to bring law and order back to this country. >> we back the blue. we support the men and women of law enforcement. >> these law enforcement officers arrest these people and then they go and let out the next day. law enforcement feels like they don't -- no one has their back.

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>> dana: over 50 people now in custody after a mob of looters ransacked stores across philadelphia. watch this. >> this is why we're here because you cops don't keep your hands to yourselves. >> cops coming. >> dana: massive crowds hit dozens of retail stores and liquor stores in a flash mob style looting. the city's interim police commissioner calling those involved criminal opportunist.

it prompted the pennsylvania liquor control board to shut down 48 stores in philly until they decide it's safe to reopen. >> bill: what a story that is, too. now the economy. growing debt and economic pressure taking a toll on america's young people making it a lot more difficult for gen z to buy a home or safe money for retirement. the pandemic no longer to blame. evidence suggest more young adults are struggling financially today than in the immediate after math of the pandemic. let's talk about that with jay and ken, both co-hosts of the dave ramsey show. nice to see you guys, welcome back to new york. we're talking gen z, age 26 and age 25 and under. >> i believe it. we've got the student loan debt. inflation, interest rates are higher than ever. so obviously i believe that they are pulling back from spending and yeah, retailers will feel it. honestly i don't feel that bad for them.

i would rather these gen zers pull it from spending rather than go deeply in debt spending retail of all things. >> there is an expectation problem. they've grown up in a really wealthy world. a lot of these are going to college and think they come out and make $1 hundred thousand or more. outsized expectations. they make financial decisions based on fact i'll earn this month and they get out and realize i'm barely making half of what i thought i was going to make. so we have a spending problem based on an expectation problem. >> bill: back to the student loan thing. you believe that when the student loan payments begin again, which will be very soon, that retail sales will take a hit from it. >> absolutely. >> bill: the way i read the story is if you choose not to make your payments for another year, it will not count against your credit score. is that true? >> this is terrible. 12 month on-ramp where people can say i won't pay this

payment. not ready to make this payment but it won't count against your credit but, bill, interest is going to continue to accrue, which means your bill will get higher and higher. at the end of the 12 months there is a negative effect. >> bill: good clarification. i found in the study that 29% of gen zers say they are financially better off today than they were during the pandemic. they are flipping the argument a little bit because they've taken advantage of the tight labor market. so in that there is opportunity here, ken. >> there is. it comes down to budgeting, right? they are making more than they were making in 2020 absolutely true. we saw salaries and hourly rates skyrocket coming out of the pandemic. they aren't saving it. they were spending money. still spending money. october 1st looms large. we'll see what kind of pain there is in this economy when people have to pay the student loans back. it is like congress, we will have a shutdown maybe, i think

it's posturing. they will raise the debt limit as they always do. american people are doing what congress is doing. credit card debt is at an all-time high. we need to save money and live on less than we make. our grandmothers told us this. >> bill: turning the conversation back to last night. you both watched the debate, right? >> absolutely. >> a little on the auto workers and bidenomics. >> the union bosses are talking about class warfare talking about disparity in wages. i have to tell you, i really believe what's driving that is the bidenomics has failed. wages aren't keeping up with inflation, auto workers and all american workers are feeling it. families are struggling in this economy. >> with bidenomics the overspending, taking all biden's rules and regulations, i will throw them in the trash can on day one. we'll open up energy. we'll be energy dominant in the country and lower your gas prices. >> bill: your reaction to that

or whether or not the economy got its fair due last night. >> i say to myself we can't depend on the government to give us what we need when it comes to our finances. the things that really affect us at home. the white house is not going to do that. we have to be in control of our own budgets and spending and anything the government has to offer should be something that is a supplement, not something we depend on. >> i had the privilege to watch thousands of debt free -- people standing up and telling us the story and the factor is they sacrificed. they sacrificed beans and rice, rice and beans, driving small cars. the issue in the economy is the american government needs to do what we have taught people to do for over 30 years. there are no baby steps. it has led people to freedom. no steps last night. i don't think the economy was talked about enough. a lot of policy platitude.

how about we cut spending and a balanced budget amendment. a lot of states do that. >> bill: you are required to do it at home. >> yes, sir, tennessee. >> bill: debt free scream. i love to hear those. you guys have done it for so many people. congratulations, stay at it. welcome back to new york. thank you, jade and ken. back to simi valley. >> dana: an overnight arrest in the murder of a 26-year-old tech ceo in baltimore. a friend of the victim joins us live next. my scooter broke down. i went into a depression. (how do you feel about that?) pretty sad. i posted it to show that kenny's not always happy. within 24 hours people had donated over $5,000. no, you're kidding. (we set up the patriotic kenny foundation) (to give mobility scooters to veterans.) it has changed my life tremendously. (none of this would've happened without tiktok.)

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i'm sorry for your loss. good morning to you. i understand she was a figure in that community, wasn't she? >> absolutely. she was a shining light in our community and one of the rising stars in our local tech community for sure. >> bill: i read she wasn't afraid to walk alone. if there were concerns about crime in her neighborhood she pretty much blew it off. what does that tell us about her and how she lived her life? >> she was the constant optimist. optimistic about her future and our country, about our company and optimistic about baltimore. she loved this city. she was a champion for all here and was always out there helping others. she was not somebody who was afraid of just about anything. >> bill: energetic and selfless is how you describe her. >> absolutely. >> bill: you spoke to her about a month ago. >> i saw her about a month ago. >> bill: what do you remember from the conversation?

>> we were at a mutual friend's house. a group of tech leaders, locally coming together to let our hair down and i was talking to her about making sure she was taking care of herself, being an entrepreneur can be a long and lonely road and don't forget about the things you like to do and hobbies. she laughed at me and said mac, i'm working on all those things but, you know, i keep working hard. once i become a billionaire i can help a lot more people and do a lot more things. >> bill: wow, that's something else, wow. she was young and she was ambitious and she was liked by so many. she had a dream. she started a tech company in her dormitory during college and now at age 26 all those dreams have been cut down. when you think about crime in big cities, do you ever think it would happen to someone you know or someone in your family? >> you never think it is going to happen to somebody you know

or somebody in your family. bad things happen everywhere. to her credit, she was always again the optimist. she was always a shining light and always there to help those. she was a champion for women, a champion for diversity, a champion for citizens. she believed in giving people second chances and seeing people given opportunity to be successful and all she ever wanted to do is help others. >> bill: you represent her very well. the mayor, brandon scott, in baltimore. watch here. so police go out and do their job as they did in this case. the state attorney's does their work and gives the conviction. it should be the conviction. we're tired talking about the same people doing the same crimes over and over again. the problem. the suspect is jason billingsley and in 2009 first degree assault. 2011, second degree assault.