especially the motoring public. we have to focus on the individuals trying to stop human smuggling. we can't stophuman smuggling. we can stop the flow of people crossing at the ports of entry. this requires a federal response. it's a responsibility of the federal government to stop what we're seeing. until then, neil, this is something that we have to deal with every day trying to go after the criminals taking advantage of the situation on the border. >> neil: thanks, chris. chris olivarez. mike mccaul and henry cuellar will be my special guests tomorrow and how the border has become a national security concern. that will be tomorrow. for the time being, i leave you with the do you down about 116 points. some of the tensions eased. we'll explore.

>> hello, i'm jump pirro with jesse brandon and greg it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." the republican candidates picking up the pieces after a wild second debate. the contenders ripping each other up while trying to sell themselves as the best chance to defeat president biden but the big question is did anyone break through? the candidates seem to care more about delivering their one liners and talking over each other than trying to win over actual voteers >> you're ducking these things. let me tell you what's going to happen. we are not going to call you donald trump any more. we are going to call you only do duck. >> joe biden doesn't belong on a picket line. he belongs on the unemployment line.

>> you hung him on your curtains. >> they were there before i showed up at the residence. >> thank you for speaking while interrupting. >> every time i hear you i feel dumber for what you say. >> i still got time so chill out. >> the debate was so raucous or very own dane and perino at times had to lay down the law. >> does that mean obamacare is here to stay? [laughter]. >> well thank you for reiterateing the question because i'd love to answer. >> we will get you some questions but you have to let us move on. we are going to the border next. >> people on the stage disagree but let's have legitimate disagreement. >> stewart can we get back to the question? >> no we cannot. sir. we will have to cut your mic and

i don't want to do that so governor desantis, to you. there's one minute for questions three seconds for a followup. >> dana is here to help us break down what happened. dana we are all going to be asking you questions but you should have been here. we were all talking about how great you were and how you delivered that line but back to obamacare and you did lay down the law so we will proud of you. you did a great job we are going to go around and ask you questions. we will each give a take. i watched to see who was connecting and where that special moment was coming and for me nikki haley was the moment. for me when i watch nikki haley i saw a woman who took no prisoners wasn't afraid of the men squared off with her body language to the men and said know your facts bring it, tim,

talking to senator tim scott and then with the one line the more i listen to you i feel dumber for having listened to you but i think nikki haley added some points of late from her point of view on top of what she did from the first debate. now, i thought desantis continued with the same kind of i a great job in florida and i can do it again. i don't know there was anything new there. i think the vent with the finger in the air started to get aggravating and bergham was a nuisance. he kept jumping in and i thought you handled him very well the chris christie the only reason he is there is to be talk down donald trump or donald duck as he called him. but, dana you had a front row

seat. you got to see them up close and personal. from your vantage point who do you think won the night? >> i think your analysis is just adding to the consensus that there wasn't one breakout star from the night. i do think all of them felt a need to speak, sometimes to speak all at once and sometimes to say all the things they wanted to say in one answer which was difficult and not too helpful. we wanted to start with the economy and i believe from vivek answered the border and fentanyl and crime and i said we are going to get to all those things. you don't have to answer them all in the first question. i think because they were under time pressure there's frustration when there's multiple candidates. there's multiple candidates that want to answer the same questions. if did you that you would ask them four questions and really wouldn't get anywhere so there

were good moments. actually the line of the night makes me laugh is when vivek thanks for speaking up when i'm interrupting. >> great line. >> they might have learned that one "the five." >> greg, your break. >> i think dana is wrong, there was and breakout star and it was dane and perino. i did not envy you. i was watching it. you were pretty much shouldering the load for two hours and you didn't break a sweat. my problem with the debate wasn't really the candidates at all because the outcomes you get are created by the design and fox joining univision was perhaps the west partnership since but lied hire dylan mulvaneyy. their premises reach out successfully every day but were treated as approved troops. she had no followup so it was

like a deliberate list prepared by dnc to tweak the audience. didn't feel like a journalism debate. by the way, this isn't on fox so don't accuse me of shooting in the tent. hosts had autonomy over questions. this is over rnc who felt they had to have univision when it was value detract. give univision their own debate instead of loading questions with accusations. i was waiting for her to ask a candidate when was the last time you beat your kids. it was so silly. i would we exam the structure of the debates, less questions against a ton of candidates, consider podcasting where you go deep with the candidates whether vivek or rfk, jr. maybe you have four 30 minute debates two candidates each. that way you can go deep.

there's no insulting because people relate to each other. this debate felt like 2015. it's 2023. maybe it's time to reexam this. >> all right, jesse your take. >> well i thought you looked very good on camera dana and i know that's the most important thing. >> i would say that hair makeup and wardrobe won the debate. >> you're eyes i don't think i need to say anything else. i know you don't have children but you had 7 last night and the cross talk was so tedious dana these candidates have to learn how to throw a punch and wait and react. they can't keep talking all over each other. like music. you can't just play the same note on the guitar. it felt like they were trying to speed through all their memorized talking point until the bell rings. it's like a chorus. you got your hook.

you got the drum solo. maybe you have a horn section and you kind of weave in it like this beautifully and vary your notes. everybody is talking at the same speed same time and you couldn't understand a thing. there's also no story. when donald trump was running for president he had a story about america. about where america where was and where he what's going to take this country. remember that the chinese were hollowing out the industrial base. he was going to bring these jobs back through trade deals smash isis d.c. was corrupt he was going to build a wall and attack regulations. do you have any idea what any of these candidates want to do? i don't know that they want to cut taxes are the they going to fire powell at the fed? are they going to bust up monopolies in silicon val? i learned nothing from these people last night so they're not talking to the audience.

they're talking to the camera. they're talking at the camera but at home we are watching it through a television on a couch and it's not making sense whatsoever. vivek has expert but i can't stop looking at his forehead. then i look at his hair. then i look at the sky. desantis tried to rise above things. give him credit for that he's got the record but there's no emotion. then nikki haley looked annoyed and scott who can't deliver a punch. there's there's dug, we have to say goodbye to doug. then we have christie who when he speaks i listen and then he tells a joke that bombs. so all of those people i think go down in the polls after. this trump goes up. and that the that. >> shannon. >> okay. this whole thing to me -- go

ahead. >> i was going to say one of the things that for me toward tend of the debate when i asked the survivor question let me explain why i asked that because everybody as and republican voter who either doesn't want to vote for trump or is open to voting for someone else is looking at this field saying they have to coalesce behind one player if they want to catch president trump. all republicans know that show they didn't want to participate but their staffs call all of us every day and want to tell us exactly who they think should be voted on. not only to do it in public. >> so, i get it that maybe some people love the question, some people hate it, whatever but they would not be able to answer the question how mathematically are you going to be able to do this and i didn't see that. >> we know chris christie wrote down an 8. >> i think it was trump. >> yeah, he probably d. he's the only one looks like he's having fun. when you ask the voters who is

number one person you wouldn't vote for he's at the top of the list. he seems like he is actually enjoying this thing. i got to tell you though it good for people to have zingers. you have to look like you didn't plan it and the executing it is tough but you're there at that time reagan library where reagan knew he was going to get asked about his age at 73 and everybody remembers with mondale i'm not going to exploit the youth and inexperience of my competitor and he landed like he just thought it and i don't know if anybody landed preplanned lines last night. >> one inning strange when i asked vice-president pence about obamacare and he said they would be repealing replacing obamacare and he said let me first talk about guns and mass shootings and how he was going to call for

the death penalty and like okay, but still obamacare can we answer that. the other thing because they were talking over each other shannon frankly there could have been one of those lines and they got swallowed. greg had an interesting point about structure. maybe a way to do this imagine at the family dining table and by virtual reality the candidates could pop in and you could ask them questions and get more of a personal answer. a little a.i. wouldn't marti. the other thing i wanted to ask about child care. i did more research during the debate there. are moms trying to figure out is it worth working anymore. can you imagine, up to 50 percent of your income goes to child care and i kind of answered it but the fravpt doesn't give enough so that's something i wanted to get to but shannon i've taken up your time. >> you say when people throw in a kitchen sink, to me it was like when i was in miss america

they can ask questions but you have your answer so it seemed like there was a lot of that last night. question asked had no relation to what they wanted to say. >> jessica. i'm glad you brought up that child care question. i texted knew the debate that was a wonderful thing to bring up because it connects the economy rolling back abortion rights kitchen table. spkr4: all of it and i was disappointed people were trying to steer around common sense extentions to the topics that we talk about on a daily basis here. my general take-away was that i was not the target demo for this debate but i understand everyone who likes donald trump is completely unmoved looking at these candidates and it was completely uninspiring. you probably picked up extras there. why do you think it was only christie and desantis that even touched the trump issue at all? >> well i think ron desantis

should be commended for a couple things. one he didn't get into the fray early on. i know i would have liked to have got at ron desantis more quickly in the debate but because everybody was talking over each other not following rules it got pushed back but to his credit leap didn't jump in and you look at the washington post poll he won the debate according to people they polled so there was that. i think he realizes if donald trump is going to be spend all his money against him he might as well try to take him on. christie we know in his position i think he answered good questions about especially crime for example and on the border he had a good answer on that but vivek ramaswamy was happy to bring up president trump in a complimentary way. i do wonder can i run by you what my original last question was that i don't think people wanted need to do in the room? i wanted to say one answer only go down the row dog or cat.

dog or cat. >> obama would say which one tastes better? >> it was boring anyway. >> dana thanks so much. >> congratulations. >> up handled it. so well. >> coming up next the question that stopped every candidate in their tracks and it has to do with donald trump. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> it's the big moment from the be bait dana was just telling us about. can anybody on the stage defeat trump? >> candidates, it's now obvious if you all stay in the race former president donald trump wins the nomination. none of you have indicated that you're dropping out. so, which one of you on stage tonight should be voted off the island? [laughter]. >> please use your marker to write your choice on the note pad in front of you 15 seconds of the of the people on the stage. i'm absolutely serious. >> all due respect we are here happy to debate. i think that's disrespectful to my fellow competitors. >> i think i'm the only one on the stage clear about this. i'd video donald trump off the island there. >> what did you think of desantis there? >> i gave him credit because dance didn't look around. remember the first debate he looked around to see what other people were doing before he

raised his hand any think waits about will you support the candidate the party nominates. i like that he indicated. i'm not going to play this where you go you go. here's the bottom line. trump is at 56. he's 42 points ahead of desantis. you know if trump wince whether they're all in or out trump still wins into then you have iowa that will shake loose a bunch of people. >> people should get this together sooner. if they think donald trump is not the guy that should be leading the republican party there has to be coordination. it's a numbers game at this point and i think it was interesting timing today there's a report about the draft young kim situation. there's going to be a retreat october 17-18 all those donors who obviously are not saying anything they like like the ken griffins of the world who run citadel saying i'm not giving to anyone until i see someone worth

my time and hearing about the potential to do this ballot access is going to be a problem signatures in time et cetera but the fact that money controls elections looking at last night we should go find another guy. it does mother -- not bode well for anybody else but trump. >> sounds like somebody else we know that rhymes with joe biden except it's worse. at least trump can connect sentences together. >> we did the coherencing thing. >> and you were dishonest. >> no i want. >> let's roll the tape. >> i still remember i. >> oh, yeah. he's in the drivers seat. there's no question. i think that of the candidates there, the people that have, that could go up against him. nikki haley had guts. i thought vivek had a stroong

moment talking about the trans movement among kids and offers a good framing saying it's a mental disorder among children that you can only deal with it non-invasively because you're dealing with a psychological problem you deal with it with therapy type or observation but the left uses it's a physical problem so you deal with it physically chop it off. so what would you rather how would you rather look at this as psychological or physical issue? one has permanent implications. the other one allows decisions over time. i thought he introduced that perceptively. >> he's very articulate. >> racist. >> okay. with that in mind, yeah. you do look at the rest of the field 37 percent. if you put together all the percentages for everybody who is not trump, judge you do the math, it gets tricky but you

think about moving forward. what's really starting to scare people and i don't think he will do that. he got pressed today i think by john and sandra but the third party thing is freaking people out james carville says he thinks it tilts things for lump so trump is about encouraging no labels. i think that's the worry on the biden side of the ticket. >> third party thing depends who it is. carville didn't get night. if it's joe manchin or rfk, jr. trump has more problems. >> even if cornell west pulls a vote or two. >> that has to do with child support. >> in your face cornell. >> ahead, democrats try to block republicans from laying out the damning new evidence of biden's first iminirquy hearing.

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have you been behind me this whole time? yep. >> oh, how the tables have turned, democrats throwing a hissie fit as house republicans kicked off the first impeachment hearings how the dems dodging whether g.o.p. tried to show proof. >> if the republicans had a smoking gun or even a dripping water pistol they would be presenting it today but they've got nothing on joe biden. >> if we had a box of all the foreign money the biden's took it would have reached to the ceiling. >> this is not a serious inquiry. this is not a serious hearing. >> hunter biden referred to access to his father as the keys

to his family's only asset. those words are going to come back and haunt hunter biden. >> the only thing the president can be guilty of here is being a father. >> this image shows an email between hunter biden and his business associates stating the setup of equity in a chinese owned energy venture. who else was geting a cut? according to this email 10 percent was going to the big guy. >> this is an embarrassment. an embarrassment to the time and people of this country. >> oh, man. judge, we had to endure the walls closing in every day with stupid accusations about trump. nothing about him comes close to a quarter million bribe being delivered to joe's house. i get it. that's where hunter lived because he had to play al money i. she a middle age man. he can find an apartment. this is a smoking howitzer.

>> for that money she should be able to buy a house. you know what's amazing, look. this is an people inquiry. you don't mow the witness at the inquiry. what you do is wait until the trial. you don't allow anybody to be impeached or cross examined. you presented the minimum amount of evidence needed. here's the and bottom line. what did hunter biden do after there was request from burisma. first of all he calls his dad gets on a plane flies to ukraine and says get rid of the prosecutor ends up leveraging our tax dollars to get rid of the prosecutor on a company where his shop is making fortune and put in a new prosecutor who drops the charges against soft chest key who gave him $5 million. there is a point at which they have to admit there's something here because if you're going to impeach donald trump for making phone call to say what was joe

doing over there that we keep hearing about ukraine and now all of a sudden we know what's going on in ukraine. that's nothing. it's a they mike. >> you know shannon this is worse than watergate and actually i mean that because that's what cnn said every day about anything trump did but in this case it is worse. he had knowledge of these business dealings. god knows what he was doing in ukraine. >> if we didn't have the irs whistleblowers if the house g.o.p. didn't have subpoena power there's a lot we wouldn't know. there may be knock terrible end of the road but in the white house has to keep changing the story didn't know anything about it, didn't have dinner, didn't have conversations when there are pictures of them it gives the appearance there's more we don't know about this whole thing so one witness said a way

to examine if this is legitimate is flip the names and parties. i think that witness was talking in the context of defending bidens saying what happened on january 6 was something different but if you have wire transfers involving donald jr. and business dealings trump said he never went to i do think democrats would feel differently. it's very much a rohrshach test. >> let's go the democrats. maybe it's just aing into burger. >> i could tell from your a block there. so two things before i get to today just clarification. you don't drop a wire transfer off at a house like a gold bar like bob mendez would get. it is a wire transfer. also the victor shokin story

everybody watched preng oh where he destroyed the narrative that victor was helping the bidens in any way. i wouldn't highly recommend that. >> first of all james comer and the republicans were unprepared for. this there were a number of rules questions that jamie raskin and aoc were asking procedurally which he didn't know how to deal with which is embarrassing if you're a chair after committee there. were no fact witnesses or new evidence. to set the table and nbc poll says 56 percent are not interested in but they're interested in keeping the government open. i understand judge you say you don't shoot your wad or whatever analogy on the set but if were you to pick three witnesses would you want two thirds of them to shoot a hole in your argument? charlie said i don't believe the current evidence would support

articles of impeachment. dubois says more evidence needs to be gathered before that assessment. it's an inquiry. first of all lead with your strongest argument but the whole point of this was i have more subpoena power. they just presented the same old bs talking points g.o.p. aides freaking out talking to reporters saying this is unmitigated disaster and picking witnesses that refute house republicans argument for impeachment is mind blowing. >> none of this stuff would have mattered if this were trump. that's what's comical about this. it's so funny. i'm enjoying this. >> then they may both be guilty? >> no. biden is going to jail. trump is going to be president. >> jessica says there's no evidence. >> i complimented you though. >> here's the nude evidence they

presented. an email from jim biden to hunter biden. >> oh the doctored one? >> no. i can work with your father alone. so, there goes the i was never in business with my son because not only were you in business with your son, you were in business with your brother. >> so that came from byron and aoc had the full quote. >> i have the full quote. >> okay, jessica i don't need to write it down because i know it cold. you guys have no defense. all you do is get up there at these hearings and throw papers around and make it a big subject of ridicule. no one on the democratic side nor you has ever addressed the evidence. you've never addressed the photographs, the wires, the text messages, the emails, the meetings, all of the actions that the biden family has taken and all of the money that has

poured into the biden family bank accounts. you've never defended it once. all you say is, no evidence! that's not going to fly and the republicans are taking this me methoded cally and you can pull your hair out but you have to address the facts. >> i would never touch my hair and we do address the facts. we say if hunter is guilty of something. >> not joe. everybody knows it walls are closing in jessica. >> i always wanted to say that. the walls are closing in. >> shaking in my bootys. >> bidenomics is wreaking havoc.

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. >> the republican candidate making the biden economy a prime target during the second debate but gavin newsom says the president has a president has a great record to run. >> i know i'm the spin guy and i know i'm a democrat but biden won because biden identified solutions and strategies just underway bipartisan work on climate makes us more competitive with china. >> do you feel like biden is holding you back from running. >> no. are you kid something i'm enthusiastically passionate about promoting the biden not only agenda but the great implementation which is his second term and having his back character decency and i'm old-fashioned i believe in loyalty into more headlines piling up the economy isn't as great shape as team biden would want you to believe costco

selling out of gold bars. california housing crisis getting so bad people are actually renting out tiny four feet by four feet sleeping pods $900 a month. judge at the same time that gavin tells us he is enthusiastically passionate about promoting the president but what else could he say at this point? >> i'd have to tell you he can say a lot of things. 77 percent of the american people don't think that joe biden can be effective in the next four years and he's over there saying how fabulous he's going to be but maybe he ought to worry about the fact that a mid californias housing crisis people are buying these little pods or living in tents. this guy is over here dancing around how great joe biden s. he ought to take care of his own state because no question he's going to be running for president, just a question of

when. it's almost as if code violations don't matter in california. you have a tent, sleep on the street, pitch i. you want a pod, go ahead but if you live in a nice area of california and you need a brick wall on property or put a light above it they're going to fine you in a code violation. >> they have housing problems but jessica between april 2020 and summer 2022 california had net loss of 500,000 people. that doesn't sound like a place people want to stay. >> he's spoke been the homelessness problem but he's not running for president. he's a biden surrogate and he's out there doing it and does a good job from a lot of republicans. you see sean hannity interviewing him, and we will see gavin newsom with governor desantis in november but newsom had a good line about. this eye on the prize. why are you debateing a guy who

hadn't running for president? >> maybe he's looking ten steps ahead he is going to get on the ticket. >> gavin newsom whatever you think of his politics is pretty slick and you have desantis up there trying to make that weird smile he does. it's not going to be a good comparison so the numbers do supported the biden economic record in terms of the strongest recovery in the g7 the unemployment rate the millions of jobs created. >> pretending covid never happened. come on. >> but it kind of says this is what's important here actually. there have been 31 contested special elections that occurred in 2023. democrats have won 25 of them. that is a tremendous performance. so, don't count us out because there are people in tiny pods. >> okay. well we don't know how they're going to vote. we know the polls show everywhere that people do not believe in real life. david axelrod is talking about

if you're paying so much for gas and food the reality is you don't feel better and our polling shows that people believe the biden policies are hurting them. it's true to say there's been a net downward revision on every jobs number here so if you're telling people it doesn't translate to real life maybe the data are not accurate. >> you can say jobs, g7 and newsom can cite windmills and chips and infrastructure but that doesn't grow peoples checking accounts and peoples checking accounts are getting slaughtered. you don't have enough money. you can't buy a house. you can't afford rent. gas prices are going back up. this winter is going to be cold. oil is going over a hundred dollars. gas is probably going up over $4. gout student loans because these universities are preying on people. no one has any money. people are losing money.

stock market is not that great. this is a disaster for the democrats and they can't hide from it. doesn't mat fur he says jobs. it's not about that. it's about money. people have less of i. they can't afford this lifestyle in this year. >> greg, how many gold bars snuf. >> i was doing the math, $900 a month for a pod. if joe only cared about americans the way he cared about his own financial status, we would be in great shape. under joe biden we went from america first to me first, me being joe. he doesn't care about prices. if he only hired hunt tore make it rain for the average american we would all be rich and probably have code problems. >> speak for yourself.

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10:00 p.m. >> shannon: i'm not a big fan of the nil stuff in college football. i love. this producer have the jersey to these four guys who play there. purchase more ham and bacon. cutest things in the world. a partnership there. thousand dollars of pork to each player's food pantry of choice. >> jessica: that's nice. >> wally is an emotional support alligator. denied entrance to the phillies game against the pirates ballpark policy which only allows service dogs. shown a lot of love outside the stadium and seems to have had a great time. how is that for wally. emotional support alligator. but that's it for us. have great night. >> bret: hey, judge, i think the travis kelce, taylor swift thing is real. don'