>> mr. trump -- >> it's election interference. made up a fake case, they are fraudulent people and the judge already knows what he's going to do. he's a democrat judge. he has no choice. i know the city, nobody knows it like i do. he's a democrat judge out of the clubhouses, he's controlled and it's a shame what's going on here is a shame. our whole system is corrupt. this is corrupt, atlanta is corrupt, and what's coming out of d.c. is corrupt. >> mr. president -- >> this one is very interesting. why attend? i want to point it out to the press how corrupt it is. nobody else seems to be able to do it. new york law journal did a very good job and others have done a good job.

they say there is no case here. but we have a corrupt attorney general that tried to make a case. thank you very much. [indiscernible] >> mr. president, do you believe in karma? >> john: the president walks away after speaking to cameras outside the courtroom there in manhattan, the former president insisting it's a witch hunt, he did nothing wrong, that mar-a-lago was undervalued by the judge, which a lot of people would say at $18 million he's got a case to say that it was undervalued. this is going to go on for a long time. we may be hearing from the former president a lot in the days and weeks ahead. >> gillian: you heard him sort of tripling down, same talking points over the same strategy, messaging over the last two days as well, reiterating his claim mar-a-lago should be valued at closer to $1.5 billion.

>> john: and adding the new wrinkle some republicans are floating his name for speaker of the house. something we'll get into a little later on. >> gillian: i would not wish on my worst enemy. that they become speaker of the house. wait, what did you think i meant? >> john: just -- yes, you are saying who would want to become speaker of the house. >> gillian: exactly, yes. >> john: fox news alert that every american will get next hour, fema is set to run a nationwide wireless emergency alert test on every tv, radio and cell phone in the united states. this is the third nationwide test of the system but just the second to include all cellular phones. >> gillian: wherever you are at 2:20 p.m. eastern, you will receive the alert. a graphic at the bottom of the screen to remind you, we'll count down to it as well and coming up, take you to the cross road of the world, time square, see how tens of thousands of

americans will react in realtime to that emergency alarm. >> who has the power. >> we have the power. >> what kind of power. >> union power. >> john: no end in sight, more than 75,000 kaiser permanente workers are hitting the picket line in what could be the largest healthcare strike in u.s. history. john roberts, at the middle of the week. nothing here but the long slide into the weekend. welcome to you today. >> gillian: thanks for having me. gillian turner in for sandra smith today. this is "america reports." that healthcare worker strike comes as contract negotiations are continuing in another major sector for united auto workers. analysts report that strike has so far cost the u.s. economy $4 billion, that in just two weeks. mark meredith is in springfield,

virginia. how is the white house reacting? >> good afternoon to you. white house says it's glad to see workers embracing the collective bargaining agreements. this picket line has been going on for several hours and the horns along with it as people drive bay. it's an case americans will see the impact of the strike coast to coast because kaiser permanente is such a large healthcare provider. union organizers tell us they have about 75,000 people on strike, happening in five states plus the district of columbia. workers want more money and more help to do their jobs, more employees to help with the work load. the strike will not last as long as the writers strike or the auto workers, they will not give up. >> we will fight and strike until kaiser comes and bargains in good faith and gives us a fair contract. >> we heard from kaiser

permanente, we will work with the employees for opportunities. the company says they are meeting them more than halfway. and the company is trying to stay afloat due to rising prices and will continue to negotiate. no word if president biden will join the picket line but the white house says strikes like these can benefit in the long run. >> when unions do collective bargaining it actually helps our economy overall and raises wages and i think that's important for all, not just union members, also nonunion members. >> the strike here in virginia, you are looking at live right now, is only going to last one day. it's short. the workers carrying the picket signs will be back on the job tomorrow with the strike happening, denver, los angeles, san fran area, those are expected to last a few more days. depending how the negotiations go, the strike could of course

generate and continue on even longer. >> gillian: mark meredith in springfield, thank you. >> john: president biden is set to unveil his latest student loan plan, cancel additional $9 billion in student debt for 125,000 borrowers, comes just days after federal student loan payments restarted following a pause of more than three years. let's bring in our panel, marc thiessen and richard fowler, both of them fox news contributors and thankful for that. something we would wish on our worst enemy. fox news contributor, it's a great thing. >> gillian: thank you for clarifying my bad joke earlier. >> john: biden, $5.28 billion forgiven under public service loan forgiveness programs, 2.8 billion, income driven repayment, 1.2 billion total permanent or permanent disability. he's going at this piecemeal. not the $400 billion he had

promised initially, richard, how far do you think the 9 billion will go buying him votes. >> i think it's more than buying votes. in 2020 he said he committed we have to deal with the scourge of student loan debt in the country. what makes student loan debt so horrifying over other debts, it's not tied to anything, not tied to property, not tied to a car, it's not tied to a purchase. it's tied to -- >> john: the education that helps you make a lot of money. >> i get that, but tied to what you have learned and on top of that, what we are seeing is for many of these borrowers, for some of them, right, they went to a for profit university no longer exists, or didn't finish, didn't complete the degree, or their teachers, nurses currently on the picket lines at kaiser permanente and still struggling with the burden of student loan debt after they helped get us through the pandemic. what the president is saying if you are one of those individuals we are going to help you out a little bit. make life easier for you and

airlines, banks, auto industry has gotten bailouts from washington and it's about time that middle class workers, including some of our healthcare workers get the bailouts. >> gillian: is that true, mark, most of the relief to healthcare workers and folks who are sort of essential to america's functioning but not getting paid very well? >> no, a lot is going to graduate school loans. the janitor in the hospital will pay the graduate school loans and medical school loans of doctors and nurses who are out there on the picket line. auto mechanics are paying off the student loans of the people whose luxury cars they fix. it's a reverse robinhood plan that steals from the poor to give to the rich because the democratic party has become the party of educated coastal elites, and it's unconstitutional. lost in the supreme court.

they say the institutions are under threat. power of the person in the hands of congress. joe biden announced when he had control, unified control of government, democratis in charge of the house and the senate and did not try to get the democratic congress to pass it. you know why, he didn't have enough democratic votes to pass it. >> allow me to correct you here, mark. the measures the president is utilizing today, today's announcement, not that he made previous, but today were laws were passed through the congress. for example, public service loan forgiveness a law passed through the heroes act, said if you spend ten years in public service you are a nurse, a doctor, you are a teacher, you are a pharmacist, you work as a social worker. in the military, after ten years of paying your loans on time the loan is forgiven. what the president is saying thank you for your service to the country, orloans are forgiven. >> john: let me bring something up. this is a big topic among the republican presidential candidates.

some recent looks at what they said about this. >> i think that we have a bad habit of using taxpayer money to pay people to do the exact opposite of what we should want them to do. >> we have spent the last 30 years, 40 years telling everybody to go to college and under the democrats they have subsidized that with all the 1.6 trillion of student loans. >> what i will do, i'm going to have the universities and colleges be on the hook for the guaranteeing these loans. >> you have to question whether he's just trying to buy votes by paying off student loans. >> john: let me ask a difficult question. desantis did sort of nod at it there. easy to criticize. what do you do about it? >> i will tell you first of all, this is -- what you do do, you don't take out loans you can't afford to repay. why should somebody -- no, you can go to school, millions of americans who don't go to -- get a master of fine arts or something like that and go to graduate school and take out hundreds of thousands in loans they can't afford and then ask people who didn't do that who were responsible who took out

second jobs to pay for college who went to state school, community college to pay their loans. you shouldn't be taking out loans you can't afford. why should responsible americans who live their lives responsibly, responsible financial choices bail out people who made irresponsible choices. >> gillian: the universities, the flip side, somebody has to step in and enact policies, no reason why schools -- $10 billion endowments, no reason they need to charge students $80,000 a year for tuition. >> if there's fraud involved that's one thing, and people have car loans and mortgages, should the taxpayers pay off those as well? >> john: you can always give the car back. >> this is rich, listen, i agree with desantis we should have -- there should be some accountability on the college front. congress should do something about that. with that being said, we have seen corporations make irresponsible choices over and over again. we saw the banks do that in 2008, and this congress bailed

them out. auto industry do this, and bail out. >> i want a bail-out, too. >> you can say that and that would be fair. but you could also say we went to college because, that's what they said we should do and as a result of that we are asking for a little bit of help, wiggle room and you are saying that that's not ok but ok for the banks and the auto industry. >> i didn't say it was ok for the banks and the auto industry. i didn't say that. >> john: the bigger, 400 billion is more than a little help. fodder for another debate another time. thank you, guys. >> gillian: thank you, guys. former president trump's back in new york state supreme court today. the judge overseeing his trial yesterday slapped him with a gag order after he had attacked a court clerk on social media. that civil fraud trial is threatening to unravel his business empire in the big apple. >> john: house republicans scrambling to solve a crisis by eight members of the caucus

along with 208 democrats. some names emerging as possible options to take or the speaker's gavel from kevin mccarthy. and where the gop goes from here. >> traitors, all eight of them should in fact be primaried, they should all be driven out of public life. cler ker

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>> john: white house quick now, president biden is about to speak on student loans, right now he's talking about the speakership of the house. >> we, and we have to get it done in a timely fashion. more than anything we need to change the poisonous atmosphere in washington. we have strong disagreements but stop seeing each other as

enemies, listen to one another, work with one another and we can do that. i joined with minority leads jeffers -- jeffries and say our republican colleagues are committed to working on a bipartisan fashion, we are prepared to do it as well for the good of the american people. twice in the last six months both houses came together on bipartisan basis. once to avoid default, once to keep the government open and while we should never have been in the situation in the first place i'm grateful leaders on both sides came together, including former speaker mccarthy, to do the right thing. now it turns into student debt relief. when i ran for president i vowed to fix the student loan program. while a college degree is the ticket to a better life, that is excessively expensive. americans who are saddled one sustainable debt in exchange for college degree has become the norm. since my administration has taken significant action to

provide student debt relief to as many borrowers as quickly as possible, that starts with making sure the existing system works and the way it was supposed to work for student borrowers. we fixed what was called public service loan forgiveness program, which was designed originally to make sure school teachers, firefighters, social workers and other public servants can get their student loans forgiven if they make ten years of payments and do ten years of public service. by the time i took office that program had been placed -- in place for nearly 15 years. because of red tape only 7,000 borrowers had been helped. well, today, thanks to reforms, more than 700,000 borrowers have had their debts forgiven. just the other day i spoke with tanya and chad, a married couple in their 50s, who both work at public high school in milwaukee. for years they paid over $800 a

month toward their student loans. it meant they couldn't pay -- put away money for retirement. and this summer, thanks to fixes we made for people in public service, chad and tanya's remaining balance was forgiven. tanya said "the amount of relief this gives us is indescribable." now they can finally start saving for retirement. next we fixed what's called the income-driven payment, repayment program. here is how that works. if you have an undergraduate loan, after 20 years of straight pay, not missing paying and debt on a monthly basis, whatever is left in your loan is forgiven after 20 years. because of administrative failures some people who did pay their loans for 20 years or more did not get the debt relief they had earned. we fixed that, and made sure borrowers got credit for every single payment they made. as a result of these changes today, i'm announcing my administration has approved

additional $9 billion in relief for 125,000 borrowers, and just the past few weeks under that program. with the latest debt cancellation in total, my administration has canceled 127 billion in student debts for nearly 3.6 million americans. this is life changing for individuals and families but good for the economy as a whole as well, but freeing millions of americans by the crushing burden of student debt they can go and get their lives in order, think about buying a house, starting a business, starting a family. this matters. it matters in their daily lives. the latest progress, builds on other steps we have taken. we have made the largest increase in pell grants over a decade, helping students and families making less than $60,000 a year get to college. additional improvements in income driven repayment program. before i took office, student borrowers could pay no more than

10% of their discretionary income on a monthly basis. my plan, save plan, reduced it to 5% for undergraduate borrowers. it's now the most generous repayment program ever. under this plan, no one with an undergraduate loan today or in the future, whether community college or four-year college, will have to pay more than 5% of their discretionary income to repay these loans. that's income after you pay for necessities like housing, food and other necessities. you can sign up for the save plan at studentaid.gov/save. studentaid dash -- studentaid.gov/save. and whatever is left after 20

years it's forgiven. last year announced a major proposal for student debt relief. we are on the verge of providing more than 40 million americans with real relief from student debt. the money was literally about to go out the door but republicans and -- republican elected officials and special interests stepped up and sued us and the supreme court sided with them, snatching from the hands of millions of americans thousands of dollars in student debt relief about to change their lives. as i said at the time, i believe the court's decision to strike down my student debt relief program was wrong but promised i would not give up. since then a new approach, under the higher education act. allows the secretary of education to compromise, waive or release loans under certain circumstances. last week the department of education took a critical step in this process by identifying specific challenges that borrowers face in the current

system so we can move forward with a new rule to address these changes. for example, many borrowers made payments for many years. but because of interest, they still owe more than they originally borrowed. my administration is doing everything it can to deliver student debt relief to as many as we can as fast as we can. this is in contrast to house republicans who helped block the previous debt relief plan, and nearly shut down the government over the extreme demands, which would have hurt hard-working families. but they had no problem with the paycheck protection program, remember that, ppp program during the last several years, which was designed to help business owners who lost money, which was legitimate, because of the pandemic. members of congress got over hundreds of thousands of dollars because they lost their businesses lost money. that went -- it was a worthy

program. some of the same elected members of congress strongly opposed to giving relief to students got hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep their businesses over. several members of congress got over a million dollars, and all the loans were forgiven. hypocrisy i find stunning. i supported that program and i support the student debt program. my administration will use every tool at our disposal to help ease its burden of student debt so more americans can be free to achieve their dreams. p it's good for our economy, it's good for our country, and it's gonna change their lives. thank you very much. [indiscernible] >> speaker mccarthy, then speaker mccarthy said the two of you had not spoken directly in a long time. why is that, and are you committed to engaging more regularly with the next house speaker? >> we had two agreements, shook hands on. and i assumed he was working, i

know he was working with the democrats in the house and the senate, wasn't for me to do anything, if he wants to talk to me i was available, i'm available whomever wants to talk to me. but the idea that i was going to somehow convince mccarthy to change his view was not reasonable. >> disarray on capitol hill after your conversation with allies yesterday, were you, that you won't be able to deliver the aid the u.s. has promised to ukraine. >> it doesn't worry me but i know there are majority of members of the house and senate and both parties who have said that they support funding ukraine. with your -- i'm going to be announcing very shortly a speech i'm going to make on the issue and why it's critically important for the united states and our allies that we keep our commitment. >> are you also concerned about the rest of your domestic and foreign policy initiatives being in peril because of what we saw happen yesterday, dysfunction in

congress, the chaos on the house side. does that concern you in any way? >> dysfunction always concerns me. the programs that we have argued over, we passed bipartisanly, i'm not concerned that they are going to all of a sudden come in and try to undo them. although there will be some. there will be some, i'm sure. half a dozen or more extreme maga republicans who would like to eliminate just about everything i've done. but i don't think that's gonna get there. >> have you -- >> if i may, without additional funding, how long will the united states be able to support ukraine? >> we can support ukraine in the next traunch we need and there is another means by which we may be able to find funding for that, but i'm not going to get into that now.

>> you said -- president zelenskyy -- have you promised president zelenskyy during his visit in the white house that you would provide long range missiles for ukraine? >> i have spoken with zelenskyy and everything he's asked for we have worked out. >> tell us about the speech you are going to give, what argument are you going to make? >> wait and listen to it. make the argument it's overwhelming in the interest of the united states of america that ukraine succeed and it's overwhelming in our interest. i've spent two and a half years putting together coalitions that no one thought could be put together and they have strengthened us across the board, not just as a relation to ukraine, whether it's japan and south korea, or whether it's what's happening in europe itself, and so i think that it's clear to the vast majority of

the foreign policy community on both left and right this has been a valuable exercise for the united states of america to increase the support we have around the world. and what i don't want to do is we put together 50 nations, 50 nations supporting ukraine. and we are the organizer of that, i've met with, don't hold me the exact number, 16 or 17 yesterday, a long conversation. and made the case that i knew that the majority of the american people still supported ukraine, and the majority of the members of congress, both democrat and republican support it, so i don't think we should let the gamesmanship get in the way of blocking it. >> what's your advice to the next house speaker? >> that's above my pay grade. >> thank you, sir.

>> john: the president joking when asking what his advice to next speaker of the house would be, saying that's above my pay grade, and confident note, he believes support for ukraine will be there. he doesn't think the incoming speaker will seek to undo everything that he believes that he has accomplished. but there are a number of people in the republican party who may push the new speaker to rein in spending, may jeopardize -- >> gillian: we learned a moment ago, steve scalise has thrown his hat in the ring, hoping to become the next speaker of the house. the president interestingly there touted his new student loan forgiveness plan, supplemental forgiveness plan, by saying this is intended to benefit the public sector, folks who are working in the public sector, in the united states,

folks who were hit especially hard by covid, but a lot of republicans and some analysts, including marc thiessen who joined us moments ago, saying that's not the case, not how it's going to work in practice. >> john: a lot of graduate students. >> gillian: exactly, people who already have a leg up in the job market and economy thanks fo multiple degrees from fancy schools. >> john: a lot of fodder for our next guest. >> gillian: that was a good segue. so, let's do that segue. i am not as good as he is, but i'm practicing. we are bringing in byron york, chief political correspondent at the "washington examiner" and fox news contributor. byron, start with what the president talked about in terms of the new speaker, what did you make of his comments. >> he just walked off at the end. as far as the new speaker is concerned, i think he's careful because to the degree that president biden says removing kevin mccarthy was a bad thing,

more republicans will think it was a good thing. so i think he probably sees he has a perfectly negative influence on anything that goes on among house republicans. and so he's basically staying out of it. and above the pay grade was a pretty good joke. >> gillian: i thought it was funny. >> it's above everybody's pay grade. >> john: put up on the screen the possible folks who could replace the speaker. majority leader steve scalise as my esteemed colleague just pointed out has just thrown his hat into the ring, saying now more than ever mend the deep wounds in the conference to get back to work for the millions counting on us, that sense and responsibility i'm seeking the conference's nomination for speaker of the house. does he have the inside track? >> you would think, as number two. and steve scalise has a lot of

good will among republicans. just because of the way he is, he's a nice man, and i think they all like him. of course, he was grievously wounded in the baseball game practice shooting, and now he is actually announced that he has had cancer, i think his treatment is going well, and he's at work. so i think he's very, very popular. on the other hand, jim jordan has also announced, he's a powerful figure in the house, as a former champion wrestler he is aggressive, i'm not sure i would want to run against jim jordan at anything. so you could have a situation where there's a bunch of other names, i think we put 13 pictures on the screen a moment ago, other names here. a situation where two candidates go at each other and kind of split the vote and ends up everybody says well, we can't give it to scalise, or jordan,

pick somebody else and maybe somebody you had not thought of. >> john: emmer? >> gillian: mccarthy exited stage left yesterday, what do you think of his remarks, a graceful exit, what did you think? >> no way to make a super graceful exit in those circumstances but i thought he did very well. sometimes you see a politician press conference and they answer 1 or 2 questions and get out of there and he clearly decided he would answer everybody's questions. he was more open than i have ever seen him in public and much more of the sort of kevin mccarthy you see in private, actually, more of that came through. clearly -- he was -- he was very obviously unhappy, he blamed matt gaetz, because matt gaetz

did it, and he was unhappy about some of this. on the other hand, he didn't give off a lot of bitterness, and you really did not see in him the intense anger you are seeing in some other republicans. you have to remember 210 republicans yesterday did not want this to happen, and eight did. >> john: he kind of knew he signed his own democrat warrant when he agreed to the one member threshold for the motion so vacate. >> gillian: and they asked him, what's your number one piece of advice for the next speaker and he said change the rules. that was quite poignant. >> john: i think he feels he was sandbagged by pelosi, he went to apparently and said what should i do, and she said go ahead and agree to it, i'll be there to back you up. >> if he believes that it was very naive. in this situation we knew that

house democrats were debating what they should do, all oppose him, maybe just enough join him to keep him speaker because we are afraid of whoever else might about the speaker, what do we do? they decided to unanimously oppose him and i think you have to say as the opposition party, the democrats did not have any obligation to save republicans from themselves. so they are not going to vote for a republican speaker of the house, it doesn't work that way. >> gillian: byron, we have to leave it there. thanks for taking time with us, appreciate it. >> john: get ready for the national alert test coming up. 160 people on the terror watch list caught trying to enter the united states illegally this fiscal year. that all-time high adding to house republicans concerns over how the biden administration is handling national security risks at the border. and with the house currently without a speaker, what happens now? let's bring in tennessee congressman mark green, chairman of the homeland security

committee. i want to put the statistics on the screen, not official yet, but told by sources, more than 260,000 illegal immigrants crossed the border in the -- i'm sorry, it says august, it should say september, my bad. 2,466,000, a little more than that. growing number of people on the terror watch list were among those who crossed, got-aways more than a half million, no idea who they are. what kind of security risk are we looking at here? >> this is the greatest national security risk in the history of our country. i mean, you look at the number of people in the got-away category, we have no idea who they are, we are capturing terrorists at the ports of entry, but how do we know they are not in that group? and we know for a fact that isis, you know, some folks got snuck into the united states, the fbi is still searching for those people. we have 20,000 plus chinese nationals that have come through

just this year, the highest number before was like 1500 in a year. so look, this is a national security crisis. tens of thousands of americans dead to fentanyl, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people smuggled, you know, human trafficking. this is horrific. it's unacceptable. >> john: so you and chairman jordan and comer sent one letter to alejandro mayorkas asking for some transparency and information regarding illegal migrants with ties to terror. dhs failed to produce that information. now you send another letter threatening to somebody, says instead of producing the requested documents and information the document directed the committees to publicly available information and offered a classified briefing to address the questions. the department response is unacceptable. initial letter sought specific and easily identifiable records the department should be able to readily produce.

why in the world are they not giving you this information? >> i think he thinks he's above the law. he doesn't believe in, you know, co-equal branches of government very clearly. immigration and naturalization act, he's thrown that to the curb. does not agree with the judiciary having any power. at least two judicial demands to conform to laws and he chose not to go by. they think they are king over there. they do whatever they want, they disregard the laws of congress, and they disregard the rulings of courts. they think they are empowered and can do whatever they want. they are unanswerable, and unacceptable. my investigation, we are going to lay it out and get mayorkas out of the job. >> john: the last point, with the house in limbo, how much investigating can you do, does this put off the issuing of a

somebody, where are you with that? >> that's a great question and the committees are fully empowered to do the job the committees to, so we can still meet, we can still action. the issue on a somebody, though, does require the approval of the speaker. so, that one, that's one card we don't have to play right now. but we can keep investigating, we can keep calling witnesses and having them come before us and transcribed interviews under oath are having right now. >> john: thank you for joining us. good luck with the speaker thing. we'll be watching. gillian. >> gillian: all right, also this, alarming spate of violent crime rocking the nation's capital. a triple shooting outside a popular restaurant shattered any sense of security. why some folks are pointing fingers at the d.c. prosecutor say they are failing to prosecute. >> john: a top donor in court for one of the biggest financial scams in history. sam bankman-fried, cryptoroll

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>> john: criminal fraud trial of ftx founder sam bankman-fried is underway, following opening statements and jury selection earlier today. he faces multiple charges related to the multi-billion dollars collapse of his crypto. what's the make-up of the jury, kelly? >> we have our jury, it is eight

females, four male. you have six alternates as well. opening statements just wrapped. they are in a break right now. the prosecution will call their first witness after break, but just a little bit of color for you of what we heard in the courtroom. the defense is planning to lay the blame heavily on caroline ellison, remember, she was his ex-girlfriend and ceo of alameda research. and they said running the company was essentially building a plane while flying it, a direct quote, because of the lack of regulation in the crypto industry, the prosecution was very dramatic saying his power and influence and wealth was built on lies and one thing they are going to focus on, the political donations you mentioned. so, during the midterms, sbf donated over $40 million to democrats, allegedly using his colleague as a straw man for further democratic donations and ryan solomay as well to funnel

money to republicans. only george soros gave more to liberal politicians in the midterms and the prosecution said they will use that as evidence to prove out the fraud charges, so john, we are expecting to get a lot of communications and a money trail that very well could be leading back to d.c. i'll send it back to you. >> john: very convoluted case, the jurors are going to learn a lot in the days ahead. kelly, thank you. >> gillian: new details about the man accused of snactching a 9-year-old girl. and some of the suspect's neighbors are trying to accuse him of trying to kidnap another girl as well. plus this. >> so many people have stopped believing in the american dream. one in five millennials believe they will never own a home and if you don't have to conviction

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man accused of kidnapping a 9-year-old gill girl -- girl in upstate new york, he could face more charges. she was rescued monday in an r.v. after matching his prints to a ransom note. we are learning this may not actually be the first time the suspect tried to kidnap a child. nicole parker, a former special fbi agent. thank you for being with us. learning the new sort of bone chilling details about the suspect, turns out his neighbor reported that she saw him trying to kidnap her grandson from her front yard in july. she also says this to "the new york post," take a look, on screen for you, he was pretty -- says it about the suspect, he was pretty reclusive, he moved

in shortly after us, he made a driveway early in the year and never quite finished it. had to move back into the trailer with his mom because his m.s., multiple sclerosis got so bad. three houses in his name so we don't know if he has money trouble or anything. what do you make of all this? >> unfortunately it doesn't shock me he has potentially tried to abduct other children. in looking at patterns of violent criminals against children, this is not uncommon. i think it's important to note how rare it is in the big picture to have a child abducted by a complete stranger. national center for missing and exploited children states about 1% of missing children are actually abducted by nonfamily members or by strangers. so it is still very, very rare. but looking at his criminal history, that 1999 charge from, you know, a dui is what solved this investigation because of the latent print they were able to run that matched his

fingerprint. but i think it's also important to know about 30% of child abductors, these individuals have no prior criminal history, and about 40% of the individuals have a minor criminal history. a lot of times the individuals are not -- they are not using physical abuse against the children, a lot of times it is manipulation and mental abuse, and the fact he's recluse, according to the neighbor, that's something you would expect. these types of individuals are very anti-social, they lack empathy, they lack reforce, extremely impulsive. but this is a very heroic effort by law enforcement to rescue this individual, little girl. >> gillian: terrifying. i understand we have breaking news at the white house, thank you so much for joining us. john. >> john: gillian, thank you, jumping to the white house to the briefing room, karine jean-pierre fielding questions about the speakership in the house. she was recently asked about what about jim jordan, if he becomes speaker and what that

might mean for funding for ukraine. see where we are now. >> he's willing to work in a bipartisan way in good faith with whoever -- whoever is willing to do that with him in the house and in the senate. >> is there a regret that kevin mccarthy was a known quantity but the next person might be harder to work with. regret there was not more support for the existing speaker. >> i'm not going to get into who is running or not running, that's something to figure out. look, here is the reality. the important fact the republicans have the majority. this is for them to figure out, for them to figure out how they are going to move forward, right. a situation they have created, and you know, i don't want to speak for every american across the country but i would say a majority of americans are sick and tired of infighting in the house right now. they want to see us work in a bipartisan way. the president is willing to do that. and so that's kind of where we are. the republican conference we see

currently in the house, it is -- we have, you know, we have never seen that type of behavior. they stand apart from any other conference that we have seen before, whether it's you are talking about the senate or the house. and so this is their creation, this chaos, if you think about it, this is like shambolic behavior we are seeing from house republicans so they need to figure it out. they need to end the infighting, and the president is willing and ready as he has for the last two years to work in a bipartisan way to get the job done for the american people. >> the speech, is it something that emerged in the last 24 hours or have you been talking about it for a while. >> i'm not going to get into internal conversations on the speech. you heard directly from the president, he wants to give a speech on ukraine. you heard him say even during his remarks and answering the questions that he wants to lay out how important it is to continue, he wants to continue to fund, continue the funding for ukraine.

look, he said he brought 50 nations to go, allies and partners to make sure that commitment to ukraine was there. he wants to continue it. and this is important to the american people. this is important for our nation to continue that support to ukraine. it is -- it is a direct connection and so that's what you are -- that's what you are going to continue to hear from the president. i'm not going to get into specifics about the speech the president mentioned. >> confident to worried about it, what changed? >> i've said this before. of course it is a concern when you have a small fraction in congress like the house republicans causing this type of chaos, i've said this before, right, of course it is of concern and as it relates to the funding, we continue to see broad support, a majority of bipartisan support, right, majority support in a bipartisan way in both the house and the senate to continue our commitment to ukraine. and this is a promise. this is a promise that both house -- both house republicans

and democrats, both democrats in the house, in the senate, pardon me, and republicans in the senate have made. and so we want to make sure, we want to see that commitment continue for the people of ukraine. and so nothing has changed there. when they have been very public about that. nothing has changed. it would be a major mistake if we do not continue to do that. and that's what the president made clear today in the roosevelt room. >> following up on that, just yesterday you told us, john kirby told us the president reassured the world leaders he's confident congress is going to approve this aid and today he's saying he wants to deliver a major address to warn about how problematic it would be if congress didn't approve this aid. so, is he confident or not confident congress is doing to do it? >> he's confident because there is a broad support for this, in a bipartisan way to continue this funding. that has not changed.

we continue to hear that, and so that is what we are going to point to, obviously. look, i have said this, and when you have a small fraction as i said to steve, when you have a small fraction of a party that is causing that type of chaos, you know, it doesn't look great across the globe, right. that doesn't look very promising. but, let's not forget, these nations also have their own domestic kind of processes and things they have to deal with as well. so, they understand certainly how that works for us as well, trying to get through the domestic -- the domestic policies or you know, process or politics here as well. look, what we want to make very clear is that we cannot walk away from our commitment, we cannot. it would be a major mistake. that's what the president wants to make very clear, and the national security adviser, jake sullivan, said this the last time he was at the podium, the cost of doing nothing is so much

greater than the cost of providing continued support and so the president will reiterate that, reiterate, he's going to reiterate those sentiments that we have, he's going to reiterate what you heard from him, how it would be a serious mistake if we walk away from the commitment. >> the president seemed to suggest a moment ago there might be some alternative funding source he could tap into if congress does not pass more aid to ukraine. what is that funding source? >> i'm not going to get beyond what the president said. he's going to give a major -- major remarks on ukraine, i'm not going to get beyond that. ok. >> thanks, karine. our colleagues at cnn are saying the u.s. is sending weapons from iran to ukraine. can you confirm that, and is that something we will see more of if ukraine continues to be stalled? >> i would not connect the two. here is what i can say, put out a statement on this,