involved. >> todd: conspiracy theory in me here, is this an attempt to hide commander from the media spotlight because he, too, received chinese payments. >> i like the idea of that because you know the dogs beg for the food with a paw. everyone in that white house is making deals under the table do you know what i mean? maybe you are right about this. >> carley: everyone is waiting for their own little scraps. >> commander getting oligarch biscuits from russia. >> carley: thanks for waking up early. >> todd: quick plug we have got some time. the big thing is taping on the 13th. >> next friday night at the paramount. >> carley: upcoming special. >> one-hour stand up special for fox news. it's going to be a banger. come on down, ladies. a lot of chubby chasers out there. >> todd: we'll toss to "fox & friends." they start right now. >> carley: have a great day.

♪ >> lawrence: what's up, everyone? what's happening? [thank you. >> lawrence: how are you all doing? >> lawrence: this is good, brother. >> lawrence: good morning, everyone. we are in dallas, texas. and i'm with the people that helped raise me. it's a beautiful day in texas. everything is sweeter, bigger in texas. and the reason why we are here is because this has become the epicenter in texas for what is happening at the border and i got to tell you, the folks of texas are so fired up they feel like joe biden, kamala harris have abandoned the state of texas and its borders, guys. >> steve: lawrence, it's great to see you in north dallas right

now at norma's. i know you have a whole collection of cowboy hats. how did you decide that was going to be the hat for today's big show? >> lawrence: well, this is a brand new one. i left my hats in new york in my office. and so we went to the state fair yesterday. and, you know, i have to get a new hat. i just had to. >> lawrence: you mentioned that you were there with the people who raised you. would your mother happen to be in attendance? >> lawrence: yeah. she is right in front of me. steve why don't you introduce us, lawrence. [sighs] >> steve: i will introduce you to momma jones. and she has been on the show before when we did our here, momma? how does it's 4:00 in the morning. [laughter] >> carley: how hard you work and how early you get up. >> lawrence: so i haven't seen my mother in six weeks because

we have been doing a lot of changes with the show and i have been on the road. it was -- i didn't know she was going to be here. she surprised me. >> steve: that's great. lawrence, she watches every day. she constantly texting you. yesterday when you said you are going to be in north dallas she is going to be there she is going to be at your table. >> lawrence: that's exactly right. she does watch the show every day. >> steve: that is awesome. great to have you. you are going to be talking to some of the folks with and without cowboy hats this thursday morning. >> ainsley: we are all friends of lawrence hang out with him outside of work, too. the other day he said you know, you are my mom's age. i said you can be my child? [laughter] >> steve: that's great. >> lawrence: ainsley, you are flawless though, it doesn't matter. >> ainsley: i love you. i like that your cowboy hat is in the office. brian was dying to wear it. >> brian: big hat guy. >> steve: mentioned you are down there in texas with the border. the border is our lead story

today because the secretary of homeland security, mr. mayorkas, apparently snapped out of it wait, there is like a gazillion people flooding into the country. and now they are announcing that there is an immediate need to build 17 miles of border wall in star county, texas because of illegal entry. now, this was initially announced in june. it's part of what joe biden though announced in his inauguration. essentially they are ending the diversion of border money from military projects and using actual money that congress appropriated for stuff like this. >> ainsley: yeah, the dhs, they posted this announcement. and outlining just where this construction would be in star county like you said, steve, it's part of a very busy border patrol sector, seeing very high illegal entry. 245,000 illegal entries have been recorded this fiscal year in the rio grande valley sector. that contains 21 of these counties. everyone was shocked when they

heard mayorkas say this. they say there is acute and need to construct physical roads in the vicinity of the border of the united states in order to prevent unlawful entries into the united states. that is a sharp contrast to the early days of this administration. >> brian: i think we are missing the whole story. this president who got in saying i'm going to use high tech and we don't need a wall. i'm going to change these horrible policies has now found out that his policies are terrible. and it's caused the biggest collapse on our border in history. not building the barrier is not going back to the viking age. it is absolutely necessary. the thing was last month we found out selling the wall that we paid for as taxpayers for pennies on the dollar because the senate was beginning to move on forcing the construction of that wall. now, mayorkas is admitting that he is building just 20 miles of that wall. just 20 miles. so that's going to be in desperate areas of texas eagle pass area. but it should be 500 miles.

here's what he said -- look at all that all of that wall that should be standing, helping our border patrol and our country, instead of pure political political reasons. is he selling it off in order not to be forced to build it. here is what he said in 2020, remember. >> trump campaigned on build that wall. are you willing to tear that wall down? >> no. there will not be enough foot of wall constructed on my administration. >> brian: lawrence, totally wrong. now he has got to build it. he has a secretary of state in mexico city. he has two mayors scrambling there. he has democratic governors criticizing him. he has no choice. >> lawrence: brian, that was during campaign season. now we are at another campaign season and now because it's become an election issue, they are altering their position on it.

20 miles of road is a joke in the state of texas. they know the terrain that we have here on the border? it's clear that the president has not visited the border because he would know that if they only put 20 miles there, that the cartel is only gonna redirect the migrants that go to a different direction. so, again, i think it is for appearance only to show hey, i am trying to do something, but at the end of the day, 20 miles of border is not gonna solve the crisis that's at the southern border. why doesn't he not answer? why wouldn't he sell the information as well as all the technology, as well as all the border fencing to the state of texas when we tried to buy it when it had already been paid for by u.s. taxpayers. again, this has not only been a president that has been asleep at the wheel on this issue, but he has been quite divisive as well. when texas tries to do the security ourselves. >> ainsley: a little too late. millions and millions have come through. come over the border in the last three years since he has been

president. he can't take those millions and -- no telling where they're. they are in our country. this is too late. he should have done this in the very beginning. >> steve: ainsley, they are right out there. >> ainsley: they are outside sleeping in front of the hotels, lawrence. trump told fox news digital biden sees our country as being invaded? what is going to do about the 15 million people from prisons, from mental institutions, will insane asylums and terrorists that have already come in our country. >> steve: you hit the nail on the head. that is it's all about politics. right now there are democrats who are governors and mayors and they are pounding this administration to do something. and, in particular, the republicans have been effective talking about the amount of fentanyl coming into the country. there must be something about that particular area in star county where if i had to guess and we don't have this information, i'm just speculating. if i had to guess, that's where a lot of fentanyl comes through. and so joe biden, who is going to be on the campaign trail for

the next year and couple of months, he needs to say, you know what? we put up the wall where the fentanyl was coming in and i have reduced the rate. he needs some talking points because right now when we roll the video and all the clanels rolling the video of the migration wave, joe looks bad because the fentanyl is coming in and killing people. >> brian: they say it comes through ports of entry, number one. that's what they claim. number two you can't tell everyone walls don't work, run on it, have your whole party prevent trump from doing it, including strangling paul ryan saying won't pals the budget unless you only agree to $1.4 billion. and then turn around and say one mile of wall worked unless you are going to look into the camera and say "i was wrong. i was wrong about what would be effective at the border, and i'm looking to mend that." also he has taken on the environmental groups evidently suspending 26 environmental laws in order to build that so his

environmentalists are now mad at him and the horny toad or whatever, grasshopper won't be affected or a cactus won't be able to have a spring up in the desert. >> ainsley: minnow? >> steve: not. of those there. >> ainsley: that's what happened in california. >> brian: symbolically shows why trump is continuing to build momentum. it's not something he did. it's what he did that turns out to be right, lawrence. >> lawrence: brian, to your point and i think it's an excellent point. people won't believe when they see kids in their communities, not just all over texas but all over the country dropping dead because of the fentanyl. how can you sell something that isn't working i know the white house has something about image. when you see the folks that are dropping dead in the community. when you see the child trafficking rings that are being advertised everywhere. even here in the state of texas, when you see the migrants that are being camped out in

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to another speaker. >> brian: let's head back down south to dallas where lawrence is joined by g.o.p. congressman michael burgess and beth van duyne. [cheers and applause] >> lawrence: thanks, family. we appreciate it. we got the congresswoman here and congressman, graduated from the same college. i have known you forever back when you were mayor. tell us what is going on in washington and why is there so much disarray with the caucus right now. >> look, you have got 300 million people, plus, in our country right now. what you are seeing going on in congress and what you are seeing going on at tables across the country, you are seeing reflection of differences of opinion. that is not pretty to look at. it is not, you know, it is not always friendly, but those massive debates have to be happening. and when you have got 17.4% inflation, when you have got people paying 60% more for gas. when you have got numbers that are down by 3% for how much people are making.

when you have got over 8 million people who have entered our country illegally since biden got in office, which, by the way is more than the population of 38 states, we have some real issues that are face are our country. you are seeing debates going on about how to move forward on that. i'm proud to say that, you know, as republicans this year alone we have addressed that hr 1 looking at energy production and increasing. it ie getting rid of some of the ridiculous taxes and regulations holding our country back with hr 2. we need to force this administration to do its job and force the agencies to do their job. we need to build a wall. we need to stop people coming into our country illegally. and then we also looked at something like the range act. something i pushed forward, which looks at regulations and the fact that we had $200 billion more regulations under biden's first year and a trillion more. you need relief and that's what republicans are trying to bring to the table. >> lawrence: congressman, there was a lot of debate about the appropriations bills and returning to remembering order. why wasn't congress been able to

return to the way we used to do things? >> well, when i first started. we did it that way. we did appropriations under open rules, all 12 bills came up. we voted all night long sometimes. it's a lot of work. but people just have to be prepared to do it. but, i agree with beth. we reflect the country. people elect us, we represent our districts. if we are divided, appear divided in congress, it's because the country is divided now. a good president would bring people together rather than split them apart. unfortunately, this administration has been focused on splitting people apart. i have never seen the number of labor strikes going on at one time that we have now. do you need any better proof that bidenomics is not working for the average american? >> lawrence: real quickly, congressman, who are you going to vote for in this speaker's race? >> steve scalise. >> lawrence: what about you congresswoman. >> steve scalise and kevin hern

and jim jordan all phenomenal candidates. having a candidate's forum on monday. what we are doing as a texas delegation look we have to prioritize what is going on at the border. i'm still open-minded until monday nights. >> the bottom line when we come out of that meeting next tuesday. we have to be unified. we all have to vote for our speaker when we go to the floor. we we can't have this 15 round stuff again. we have to be focused on getting a speaker back this there and getting back to work. >> lawrence: also have jim jordan, ainsley, coming up in the last hour of "fox & friends." a lot of questions we have for him as well, ainsley. i will send it back to you in new york. >> ainsley: it's interesting, when you walked around the diner earlier, everyone was talking about this. this is, you know, usually our diners are talking about what their biggest issues are. the election. i'm sure you will talk a little bit about that. this is a big deal. all right. thank you, lawrence. great job. >> lawrence: huge deal, thanks, ainsley. >> brian: other thing how quick get a speaker. you think this going to be quick? this is going to go on and on

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the ring. they want to be the next speaker of the house. including jim jordan. you know, he was on sean hannity's show the other night. i don't know, it's up to the conference, he said steve scalise would make a good one, now he is actually campaigning. he is sending a letter out touting his work to pass the hr 2 and touting his work leading the oversight committee. and he says i respectfully ask for your support for speaker of the house. also, steve scalise wants that job. and he was posting on x, there's also, we said jim jordan, trump has said that he would be open to it. there is kevin hern, the republican from oklahoma and patrick mchenry who is the interim speaker right now. speaker pro tem and tom cole the house rules committee chair. >> steve: speaking of rules, one thing the republican main street caucus which has 68 members, they made it very clear before anybody votes for speaker, they have got to change that rule that allows one person vote on vacating the chair.

>> ainsley: smart. >> steve: that's how matt gaetz was able to lead this capital coup on tuesday night. it's interesting how many people have suggested have suggested donald trump as speaker. donald trump himself was asked a little bit about it. he said this yesterday here in new york city. >> a lot of people have been calling me about speaker. all i can say is look at whatever is best for the country and for the republican party. >> would you take the job? a lot of people have asked me about it. i'm focused. i'm sure you don't read too much in papers. i'm leading by like 50 points for president. you know, my focus is totally on that. if i can help them during the process, i would do it. >> brian: walked away, heard the question. kind of liked the question. he turned back and took it. between the court cases and running for president. it's going to be hard for him to be speaker. on the people that have support. it looks like jim jordan joining

us in two hours has got thomas is i, darrell issa, mike kerry all said we are going to support him. steve scalise lisa mcclain of michigan. he met with the 25 very powerful texas delegation yesterday of 25 members. and he has the support of veteran buchanon, chairman of the florida delegation which has 20 members. steve scalise is remarkably popular with his people. he always has been. extremely am mean. differently. i do feel for him. i saw him in the hallway video see he is walking with a contaie and wear that mask and go through three months of treatment. think about how taxing that job is flying around the country fundraising for those candidates that are in challenging battleground districts. you know, like mike waller in new york. kevin mccarthy no one challenges this was unbelievable at raising money. set all kinds of records recognizing and recruiting

candidates. you wonder if that's going to play. in also to play in this. jim jordan is unbelievable chairman of oversight. and remember when you talk paul ryan out of ways and means. that's all they wanted to do. begged him to leave it and be a speaker. next thing you know what, no one is listening to me i'm out of here. >> ainsley: become almost like a hero for the republican party on investigations in hunter and biden family. >> brian: do you want him to leave that and be speaker and let somebody else do that that's what you are losing if he becomes speaker. >> carley: jimenez says he is not supporting anyone for speaker until they change that motion to vacate. he wants more than one person to be able to do. they called what happened to mccarthy a coup and said it's despicable. matt gaetz wrote on x the way they want to punish me. make it harder to remove speaker jordan and speaker scalise oh no anything but that. >> brian: he lobbied hard to put that in. >> steve: with the 118th congress, there is this rule and

this would apply to donald trump because donald trump, you know, if he is toying with the idea, apparently he can't -- the argue is in the "new york post" this morning. donald trump can't be speaker right now because there is a house rule that restricts people with felony indictments from house leadership and because he is facing all those charges. s house certainly could change it. but i was talking to somebody down in d.c. yesterday. you know, just imagine, if somebody put donald trump's name into nomination, every democrat would vote for donald trump because if you look at x right now, the white house and the dnc, they are talking about all the chaos on the republican side with the capitol coup. they would love the chaos to continue. if donald trump were in nomination every democrat in the house would vote for him and he only needs five republicans. he could be, if they change that rule, the next speaker. that would be crazy.

>> brian: derek graves seem incensed and elise stefanik not on the top list but contender for it only woman to go for it. moved in leadership when liz cheney moved out. we have exclusive coming up. jim jordan, on our show at 8:00 this morning. stay tuned for that. >> now, let's go from midtown manhattan to north dallas, texas. and lawrence is talking with folks there at norma's cafe that is open early at 5:16 central time. >> lawrence: good morning, family. a lot to talk about what is happening here in the state of texas. let's pick up where you guys left off. that is the big speaker's race. ma'am, how do you feel about what is happening on capitol hill. they removed kevin mccarthy. it's a big election now coming up. many where do you stand on the issue? >> i think that there's a lot of ryrinos in the house we needed t

disrupted like it is. >> citizens down he here in texas with the border. and gaetz is a disrupter and that's what we needed. hopefully we get this straight. >> lawrence: thank you, sir. i appreciate it. this is what i was kind of talking about yesterday thrsmght is this sense from the people that the people that are in washington, d.c. aren't representing them. sir, how do you feel about this speaker's race that's going on right now? they removed kevin mccarthy. where do you stand on the issue? >> you know, it's just the dysfunction of the government. and we're just kind of continuing on. it's republicans against democrats and now the republicans are being split. it's just a problem that needs to be solved and needs to be solved quickly. >> lawrence: thank you, sir, i appreciate that i want to talk to you about the border. we talked about 20 miles that the biden administration is now gonna do. you told me, what? >> well, i said if he call he cares about is 0 miles he has got a plan.

>> lawrence: for 20 miles. >> for 20 miles. >> lawrence: will it secure the border. >> it will secure 20 miles. >> lawrence: that's it. >> yeah it. doesn't take a rocket scientist to know 20 miles is 20 miles. the border is a lot longer than 20 miles. he is not supposed to know that, is he? >> lawrence: that's right. thank you, sir, i appreciate it. one last person i want to talk to. how are you doing, ladies? how do you think the president is doing when it comes to securing the border? >> i mean, he is definitely completely overlooking it. and looking at -- overlooking all of the issues, i mean, is he just not -- he is -- is he overlooking it. he doesn't care. i mean, honestly, i think that he has some sort of ulterior motive. some sort of agenda. he doesn't really -- he is showing he doesn't care about the people of texas or of the united states. >> lawrence: we thank you so much for being here. that seems to be a current thing. as you know, texas is the epicenter of the border crisis.

now that it's in new york and chicago, it seems like now the president is finally trying to show, at least appear like he cares. >> brian: soon he might have to go or ask the vice president to do her job. >> steve: he is down in texas listening to the wisdom over waffles. good job, lawrence. >> ainsley: lawrence hit the nail on the head. it's campaign season. >> absolutely. >> brian: worse than ever before. i'm not sure -- >> ainsley: how many terrorists have come over? >> brian: hundreds now on the terror watch list and the ice areas where they are usually kept are empty. there is place for thousands of beds for suspected terrorists that came across the border, they are empty because they have actually defunded ice. >> ainsley: i think there were about three when trump was leaving office and during the biden administration. we encountered like 195 is that what it is? something like that? those are the ones we know of. >> steve: that's right. so now joe is gearing up for

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>> ainsley: we are back with your headlines, a manhunt is underway in oklahoma for a suspect accused of shooting a cleveland county deputy and killing a by stander. deputy sean steadman was shot in the chin after pulling over a driver yesterday south of oklahoma city. he is expected to make a full recovery but another driver was hit and killed by a stray bullet. police warning that cammeron jenkins is armed and dangerous. officials say he could be in the back of a black trailer being hauled by a pickup truck. president biden's dog commander is no longer at the white house after a series of biting incidents. the administration dodging peter doocy's question about commander's bad behavior. >> how many time has that dog bitten the bidens. >> i would refer to you the secret service and also the first lady's office.

>> peter: it's the 12th known incident of this dog biting a white house staffer. a lot of times when that happens there is a lawsuit. isn't the president worried about getting sued? >> i would refer to you the secret service or the first lady's office. >> carley: that's right as peter just said there have been 12 known incidents of commander biting white house or secret service personnel, that is according to a report from judicial watch. and the power ball jacket now stands at $1.4 billion. last night marked the 34th consecutive drawing with no one hitting top prizes. the numbers were 9-35-54-63-64, and the red power ball of 1. seven lucky people across the country did win $1 million prizes. the next drawing is saturday. mark your calendar. steve, over to you. >> steve: i can remember it. want to become a billionaire, buy a ticket. thanks, carley. meanwhile, let's talk politics, presidential hopeful nikki haley is now surging in to second

place leapfrogging over ron desantis among primary voters in the critical early stated of new hampshire, haley now sitting nine points ahead the florida governor, while former president trump still way out ahead as you can see right there of everybody else. here with reaction, a panel of new hampshire voters. we got melinda turango veteran and air force veteran we thank her for his or her service and allen who is an independent voter and business owner as well. alan, i know it looks like -- you run a restaurant looks like you are in a kitchen and nobody is cooking yet. >> that is -- that's the case. as soon as i get done with this, i'm taking off the tie i have a big catering order i have got take care of. >> steve: i see nr loves nh and i never thought about it until i see that and you have a button on as well that says the same thing. one nh stands for new hampshire and the other stands for nikki

haley. why is it you are now, obviously supporting her on tv? >> oh, there's no question that that's what i would be doing. when i heard nikki speak, i was floored by the intelligence and rationality of her platform. i was immediately taken away from away from the other guy and right to nikki. it was instant explain what is going on in new hampshire because it wasn't that long ago in january ron understands was actually leading donald trump. why is she surging? >> nikki has a presence that goes beyond her words and her actions. and it is galvanizing. people are flocking to her. they hear her speak once and they say, i know who my candidate is. i haven't seen anything like it

in ages. and it's something that comes with people who have a special quality about them and they are just able to draw people in. she is genuine, she is intelligent. she is strong. and she is making it happen. >> steve: melinda has made up her mind but allen you have not. last time around you voted for joe biden. you are an independent voter. what are you thinking about joe this time? >> i think that he had his shot at the ring for being a one-term president, honestly. i think that he is aged out. i mean, i remember when ronald reagan was criticized for being too old and he is still younger. i'm kind of looking for some new blood on both sides i there it's interesting that nikki haley has surged as much as she has. i think she ticks a lot of boxes for a lot of the republican and

more moderate voters alan as a small businessman the economy is your number one issue. is there another democrat who is currently not running who might entice you to vote for that person if the dnc allowed them in? >> i would have to see. i mean, both the trump and biden organizations have done a really good job keeping themselves head and shoulders above any of the relevant competition. and that's what i see currently in the republican party. the rest of the field is trying to get airspace in the room and with trump. and i also feel like the democratic party is kind of doing the same thing with biden. i don't think kamala is very viable but who knows. >> steve: who knows. that's right. it's still early. all right, melinda and allen,

thank you very much. can you take off the necktie and go work. >> thank you very much y'all. >> steve: thank you very much. great talk. coming up on this thursday. an empire built on lies, that's what the saying about ftx and the trial of sam bankman-fried. we will tell you how many years sam is facing coming up. plus our next guest says california's new math framework doesn't add up. the problematic program that could be coming to a school near you. and, as you can see, oh, does that look good. lawrence is making hash browns and having breakfast with friends deep in the heart of texas. as you can hear, they are coming up next right here on "fox & friends." wave, folks, you are on tv. ♪ lovely day ♪ lovely day ♪ when the day lies ahead of you ♪ they are the men and women building our navy's next generation submarines.

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devastating flash floods killing at least 14 people in northeast india and that number is expected to rise. rescue crews are searching for more than 100 people reported missing, including 21 soldiers. the sudden storm washing away hundreds of homes and several bridges. the trial for disgraced ftx founder sam bankman-fried enters second day of testimony today. in opening statements, prosecutors saying, quote: bankman-fried had wealth, he had power, he had influence. but all of that was built on lies. bankman-fried is accused of using his crypto currency exchange to commit fraud on a massive jail. he faces more than 100 years in prisoner if convicted. those are your headlines, brian, downstairs to you. >> brian: mike has a great book on him. the guy is totally bizarre. thanks so much. 23 minutes now before the top of the hour. california's framework whether it will improve or harm for nearly 6 million public school students. in brand new op-ed the next guest argues the fight over math

in the gold state's public schools will likely spread across the country. stanford university math professor brian conrad joins us now. professor, what prompted you to write the column and what do you hope people get from it? >> well, i read the entire math framework and i had a lot of concerns about some of the proposals being made. and some of those were fixed when it was revised but then other parts weren't and are popping up in other states such as ohio and connecticut. >> brian: which parts bothered you. >> the primary concern, shared by many other quantitative experts involve both the access to algebra one-eighth grade standard way to reach calculus in high school stem careers college degrees and also false promises that certain alternative math options in the later part of high school will lead to certain great careers as designed many of the most popular such courses dead ends not for those careers. >> brian: also should give kids an idea of what this math could

bring. for example, if they are interested in video games this type of math will help you develop. this you understand what you are playing and maybe the thought process behind it. >> yeah, well, more behind the design like if you want to be somebody who creates video games or if you want to design new artificial intelligence systems offer work in data science, any of these fields that the conventional math curriculum still the foundation built upon that modern computers have not major knowledge and necessity to go into those careers, if you could put that in high schools, then it would help kids to see more value in what they're learning, give the teachers better materials. that would be a huge improvement. >> brian: 23% of california 8th grade students are proficient in math. that is horrendous number. almost down to 0% in places like baltimore. if they -- if they were going to take two or three things, that you recommend, and anyone for the department of education is up this early in california, what do you hope they take right now?

and maybe and work with the framework first of all more resources first grade that's where open up. certain courses in high school newly designed are going to open up access to data science and computer science. more awareness that the conventional math curriculum remains the essential foundation for college degrees and those directions. they should improve the motivation and the context materials given to teachers so kids can see the still very contemporary value in a lot of the the conventional curriculum. unfortunately that's being misrepresented in more and more places now. >> brian: do you feel as though people are bending over backwards to help minorities and in turn they are not helping them and see the early result and understand it's not working? >> yeah. so, there are a lot of when i say well-intentioned programs that are set up. some are quite successful. but, it is true that there are these things like advocating these alternative math options

which claim to be pro-equity but, in fact, san francisco shows when you block eighth grade algebra one done in the effort to help improve the demographics in the high school success rates. in fact it was a complete failure. yet, this has been popping up in cambridge, massachusetts. it's being proposed in connecticut and other places and this doesn't work and people should stop thinking that this kind of fantasy is actually going to help. go back to the earlier grades. give teachers better motivation. the core materials still remains the essential foundation. >> brian: listen to the parents how also talk about in your column that they are really concerned about this. brian conrad, thanks for getting up with us and thanks for writing the column. we really appreciate it. >> okay. thanks. >> brian: battle for the gavel. the certain is on to find mccarthy's replacement as former president trump open. ♪ i'm on the edge of glory