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rich: israel's ground operation of gaza expected soon eight days after the hamas surprise attack on israel. and new video showing the chaotic evacuation of palestinians across gaza amid reports that hamas is, quote, actively undermining israel's evacuation order and urging citizens to stay put. welcome to "fox news live," i'm rich edson. jacqui: i'm jack key heinrich are. benjamin met an ya hue is -- net an a ya a hue is declaring his forces are ready to win this war. trey yingst is live with the latest developments. hi, trey. >> reporter: hey, guys, good afternoon. every sign that we have on the ground points to this ground invasion kicking off likely tonight. there are traps on the move -- troops on the move getting close to the border. israeli's media starts to report

this could take place tonight. we won't mow until final order is made, but you can hear an israeli drone overhead. right now we're standing just on the edge of the closed military zone where israeli troops are in different positions, tanks, apc and infantry troopses, the drone overhead gathering intelligence for what is expected to be a difficult battle. they're not simply going to ride into gaza city and take over. they'll be immediately engaged, the airstrikes will continue by the us a reillys -- israelis. i do want you to take a look at what it was like last night, we watched as israel targeted different positions inside gaza and hamas fired rockets. you can see behind me a large explosion in the northern or part of the gaza slip. the israelis continue to strange gaza ahead of an expected ground operation. [inaudible conversations] >> reporter: right now there's a massiving rocket barrage coming off the gaza strip. you can see one rocket after

another appears to be toward the center of israel. so today we saw israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu here in the south meeting with soldiers and civilians alike trying to just reassure people that this is going to be a large operation. you can see apcs there, these are used to protect the infantry troops as they go in, anywherer from 8-10 soldiers making sure that they're covered because they will take things like anti-tank fire, rpgs, there will be explosions. there will be israeli casualties when they enter gaza, make no mistake. but we spoke earlier with opposition leader, benny ganz, now in the cabinet, he used to be the defense minister and had this to say: you used to serve as a defense minister, you and i sat down in your office, we talked about the threats from hezbollah, from gaza. this is playing out right now. what needs to be done in terms

of the situation in response following the massacre on saturday? >> first of all, it was a massacre, as you said, manager that we -- something that we are facing. it's unhuman, but we got control of the situation. we are removing into -- we are moving into an offensive in different ways. we are preparing ourself very seriously, other prongs as well. and i can tell you one thing, we're going to prevail and we're going to win this war that was the imepossed on us. i've -- imposed on us. i've been running around the south. i see pain but at the same time determination. and that's the same case up north and anywhere else. we have a united government. we will take all measures need to win this war, and we will. thank you very much. >> reporter: the politics have

been put aside in all of this. more than 9 million people united right now for the threats that israel faces not just here in the south, but also the northern border. today more attempts to crosses into israel from southern lebanon, hezbollah making very clear that they will get involved in this fight in some capacity. already the israelis have responded to those attacks. i just want to note one thing, the leader of hamas today wanted to make clear that palestinians will not leave gaza, those were his words. and despite the fact israelis have warned civilians to head south, we do understand this is no concerted effort right now that is working to try to come up with some sort of deal with the egyptians to get the civilian population out of gaza. and this is one thing that's going to complicate the israeli efforts as they enter. remember are, this is a densely poppe lated strip of land -- populated strip of land are, and it's filled with people. the israelis are headed in likely in the coming hours. back to you.

jacqui: stay safe out there. thanks, trey. rich: joining us now the is the israeli ambassador to the united states, michael herzog. mr. ambassador, thank you for joining us this afternoon. i want to get into some of the diplomacy ongoing overseas. secretary of state antony blinken has been traveling the region, in riyadh as he says israel pursues its legitimate right to defend its people, it's vitally important that all of us look out for civilians, and we're working together to do exactly that. what do you make of that statement from the secretary? >> first of all, the administration has supported israel's right to fight back at hamas after the massacre and having waged war existence the state of israel. at the same time, we -- against the state of israel. at the same time, we understand the human situation, but we are doing everything possible so that civilians will not be hurt. they are in a war zone, they have become human shields.

hamas made them into human shields. we are calling them to leave the northern part of gaza so that they will not be hurt. hamas is trying to force them to stay so that they can use them as human shields, and that's where we are. we are in the process of preparing what we call safe zones in the southern part of gaza for for all those who evacuate their homes. we are working very closely with the u.n. to create these safe zones, and when they are in the safe zone, we make sure that they get all the vital supplies they need; water and medical support and food. but we are in a war, and we have to fight and win that war. and we are not going to stop until we destroy hamas that wage war on us. we do not want to be in this situation. we have to fight a war -- we will not allow them to threaten

us any longer. jacqui: mr. ambassador, can you characterize how much the u.s. has been advising israel on the timing of this ground operation? because we know that there are a lot of reporting that the administration expressed anxiety about the 24-hour timeline. both blinken and the secretary of defense in their comments emphasized the ongoing efforts to secure safe as passage for civilians in gaza and also the moral high ground can that israel has in, you know, defending itself from future attacks via what legitimate efforts versus what the, you know, hamas terrorists did to the israelis, but the careful way in which that must be done. can you explain to us exactly how much the biden administration has been advising you on the timing of when to begin the ground operation? >> so the u.s. add positioner

did not -- can administration did not -- [inaudible] that's not our discussion. they understand that a war was waged on us, and we have to win it. that takes time. i think that's -- [inaudible] so our discussion is, first of all, they support us in many ways and they have been supporting including in the replenishment of munitions that we need and other ways. and also in finding solutions to human -- [inaudible] problems on the ground. it's an ongoing discussion, and we don't need encouragement because we ourselves comply with international law, and we were -- it's our initiative to work with the u.n. to provide these solutions, and i think we are -- of standards and realizes them. rich: as ambassador to the united states and seeing what's going on in the united states, what have you with made of the

administration and the support that you've gotten here domestically but also the criticism and also the protests against -- [audio difficulty] >> -- and it was moral clarity. we've all seen what hamas did, the war they waged on us, the massacre of 1300 israelis who were butchered on the first day. we have thousands in our hospitals. we have thousands of kidnapped hostages in the hands of a hamas which is a war crime. i think this requires moral clarity. this is no time for -- the. [inaudible] i will say now we enjoy strong support by the administration, congress, bipartisanly, and from the american people. but i understand that the moral -- against hamas to

destroy them, the more criticisy misguided. there's no moral equivalence here. we know exactly who the bad guys are, what the -- we've seen the photos, we heard the voices. this is terrible war waged on us, and i think they have to realize what is at stake, who is the enemy. hamas is a u.s.-designated terror organization closely linked to iran. they're part of the same coalition -- rich: yeah. >> -- calling for the destruction of israel, enemy of western civilization, enemy of the moderate forces in the middle east and enemy of peace in the middle east. rich: mr. ambassador, i'm sorry e, we've got to get going. thank you very much for your time this afternoon. michael herzog, the israeli ambassador to the united states. thank you. >> thank you. rich: president biden vowing to bring the american hostages in gaza home after what he called a heart-wrenching call with their

families. alexandria hoff is live outside the white house with more on the administration's response. alex? >> reporter: hi or, rich. yeah, before these americans can be brought home, they have to be located, and right now it's unclear how many of the the 14 that are unaccounted for may have been taken hostage by hamas. now, yesterday president biden, while he was in philadelphia, spoke about the theory hour-and-a-half-long zoom call that he had with the families of those who are missing saying that the administration is working around the clock to learn more. >> they're going throughing agony not knowing what the status of their sons, daughters, husbands, wife, children are. you know, it's gut-wrenching. i assured them my personal commitment to do everything possible, everything possible to return every missing american to their families. >> reporter: the president called hamas pure evil, a message that was reinforced earlier today with secretary of state antony blinkening in saudi arabia, sitting down with the country's foreign minister. >> the priority now needs to be

to stop further civilian suffering, and here we need to find a way to quickly deescalate the situation. >> hamas is not representative of the palestinian people or their legitimate aspirations for the future. hamas is a terrorist group. its only agenda is to destroy the state of israel and to murder jews, and it's important that the entire world see it as such. >> reporter: now, both agree that safe passage for civilians is critical. interestingly, the saudi foreign minister did not once mention hamas while speaking. and sources told the our jacqui heinrich, as you've heard today, that the u.s. had actually urged israel the delay any ground invasion until a route out was secured. >> president biden, what worries you about a potential israeli ground invasion? >> death. >> reporter: you heard the president say there that his biggest worry is death. and on today's meeting in saudi arabia, it comes at a critical time, so it's important to point out the saw doties have recently

and reportedly put talks with israel on pause so that they could begin speaking with iran, an effort to prevent an escalation of violence in the region, rich. rich: alex hopf reporting live from the white house, thank you. jacqui: for m we are joined by former ambassador at large nathan sales. ambassador, thank you so much for being here. >> thanks. jacqui: i want to pick up where alex left off what do you make of it that the administration is, in one vein, being very clear in public that they're working furiously to get these humanitarian corridors, reminding israel not to violate the laws of armed conflict and to a i void is harm to civilians and also saying that we stand firmly behind them, but behind closed doors, you know, not just my sourcing which i'm -- i feel very strongly is legitimate, but also a other reports emerging that they had been expressing some concern about the 24-hour timeline? what do you make of the public versus the private messaging?

>> well, it's a great question. i think credit where credit is due, the president gave a fine speech the other day, but actions are going to speak louder than words. and the real test is going to come when israel's critics at the united nations, in europe and elsewhere start calling ons israel to pump the brakes before it's able to achieve its objectives of completely eliminating that a maas. israel does more than almost any other country in the world to come pry9 with the laws of war and minimize damage. they do rooftop knocks which means dropping inert bombs to avoid inhabitants, you guys better get out because with this building is going to get leveled because of the hamas abilities here. if there are casualties -- and we have to be honest, there will be. we're talking about door to door fighting in a dense, urban environment. of we need to be clear about who bears respondent for those losses. it's not israel, it's hamas which holds its own population hostage.

it uses them as human shields and weaponizes them against israel. jacqui: to that point, you know, the coming days are going to test the u.s. resolve to stand behind israel as, you know, they move forward with this ground operation. obviously, they have made significant efforts to communicate to residents to get out off harm's -- out of harm's way. but as a you say, we could be seeing some horrifying images. how do you expect do u.s. the -- the u.s. to handle thatsome. >> the united states needs to back israel because the attack the last saturday wasn't just an attack on israel, it was also an attack on americans. as of today, 27 americans were killed in that attack, more than almost any attack in history. in fact, it's the fourth deadliest foreign terrorist attack on american citizens ever. we have skin in the game, and we need to avenge our fallen. that doesn't mean we've got to send boots on the ground in gaza. we're not going to fight this fight for israel. they're fully capable of handling it themselves, but we have tools in thal kit that we

can use to -- in the tool kit that we can use to hold the terrorists responsible. maybe drone strikes against the perpetrators, maybe small teams of special operations forces who can carry out targeted raids. maybe even arresting people, bringing them back to the united states where they can face justice for their crimes in a court of law. one thing is clear, if we don't enforce a red line against targeting and killing americans, we'll see more of it. because the message will be hamas, you can get away with murder. jacqui: does it tell you that the u.s. is ready to do that given how we've positioned our militaries assets in the med train and the -- mediterranean and the like in. >> we certainly have capabilities, the question is whether the biden administration is going to want to take on that mission. as you said, we've got i nor miss capabilities in the region and moving into the region. i suspect that the principal reason these folks are there is to send a strong signal of deterrence to iran, don't escalate, don't instruct your lackeys in lebanon, hezbollah, to open up a second front.

jacqui: right. >> but those forces also are there to provide commanders with capabilities, to take unilateral action against terrorists that threaten and have killed americans. jacqui: what does it tell you that antony blinken before he left saudi arabia got on the phone with the chinese foreign minister? china buys oil from iran, they have a lot of heavy influence over iran, does that signal to you at all that we're concerned that iran might be, you know, weighing widening the conflict? >> possibly. we know from from all sorts of reporting over the past couple of days and, indeed, stretch thing back a month this has i all been part of iran's plan. it's been trying to encircle israel withist proxies. in the north you've got hezbollah, in the south you've got hamas, you've got irgc operatives in syria. and so what iran is trying to do is squeeze israel with an ultimate goal of completely destroying the jewish state.

it stands to reason that it's going to be looking for friends, and that doesn't mean necessarily it's looking for china to fight the fight with it, but iran exports an enormous amount of energy to china. of the numbers have grown staggeringly since president biden took office and started to look the other way when it comes to sanctions enforcement. and so those dollars that china is sending to iran are funding tehran's terrorism machine, because that money goes to hezbollah, that money goes to hamas, that money's killing americans. jacqui: ambassador nathan sales, always appreciate your time. thank you for your perspective, hope to talk to you again soon. >> thanks. rich: pro-palestinian protests are continuing across the nation after hamas leadership called for a, quote, global day of jihad yesterday. c.b. cotton's live in new york city with more. >> reporter: people are heading to these protests with signs and megaphones and some leaving in handcuffs. jewish voice for peace says

local lawmakers, rabbis and descendants of holocaust survivors were among dozens of protesters who were arrested outside senate majority leader chuck schumer's house last night ahead of his trip to israel this weekend, calling for an a end to what they saw is -- say is the genocide of palestinians in gaza. we're hearing a similar message from supporters who marched through times square to the israeli consulate9 and then to the united nations. small, pro-israeli crowds sometimes spotted awe off on the sidelines. now as for college campuses, students are also standing divided about the escalating violence overseas. here in the city as a crowd of pro-palestinian supporters gathered at baruch college, a man got into a heated argument with another manage and both were arrested. one protester telling us he believes israel's to blame for the escalating violence in the region. >> certainly what hamas did e is

violent, but we have to understand these people have been under occupation for 75 years. they have no food, water, electricity, they're under a blockade, they can't leave. >> reporter: dueling protests have been unfolding on college campuses and universities across the northeast, an entire -- and entire nation. academic leaders coming under scrutiny for how and when they respond to some of the messaging with being heard at these protests. back to you. rich: c.b. cotton, thank you. jacqui: as the war rages in gaza, we are going to hear from some of the families of the hostages coming up next. stay with us. ♪ ♪

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jacqui: as the war rages in gaza, an israeli family tells a horrifying story of their loved one's capture and holding hope thousand for their safe release. steve harrigan is live with the hate arest on this story. >> reporter: this is day eight now for those hostages, israel talking about 120 people being held hostage in gaza, this is men, women, elderly, children, civilians, soldiers, foreigners and israelis. at least 14 americans remain unaccounted for. few families have it harder right now hand the family of abbey. she has five family members who

were kidnapped, taken to gaza, the youngest age 12. >> the last messages that we have from if them are a fear that they won't make it out. they are saying good bye, and that they female like this for them was a holocaust. we lost contact with them between 11 and 12 on saturday, a week ago, and didn't have any if information until the next day when hamas uploaded a video of reres who is 12 in the hands of terrorists. >> reporter: it's hard to imagine what families are going through, such pose your -- such composure. many families learned about the fate of their loved ones through the internet, through videos posted to social media. they also say they will begin to ebbs cute hostages one by one in response to any israeli strikes on palestinian houses without warning.

jacqui: steve harrigan, what a devastating experience those families are going through. thank you so much. rich: for more perspective from israel on the ground, we're joined by geopolitical tour guide elon shulman. thanks very much for joining us this afternoon. how worried are you for your safety, the safety of your family and friends? >> so i live about 3 miles from the border with syria and northern part of the golan heights, and usually we had a very quiet border here. i will say the quietest in israel. and until the past 12 years since the civil war in syria began and since we started to feel the iranians here on the border with us. and now we have a situation with hamas in gaza. and some people will say so what exactly the connection once gaza

in the -- of the country in the south and you are there in the north. today we see the fronts getting united and that was the main goal, the supreme goal of iran being involved here. which means we see the signature of iran there in gaza, and we see the forces moving their proxies, moving toward the syrian border, and is we sea hezbollah on the lebanese. -- we see hezbollah on the remember lebanese -- remember these. so for the first time now it doesn't matter where you are in israel, you feel fretted. it's not another -- it's something that we're fighting for the existence of israel. and i can tell you that my girls now seems like spending in the past few days more time in the bomb shelters than i had all along my childhood. and it's a very scary feeling to

be outside and can to hear the aircraft moving, see all the israeli forces on the other side, to hear explosions from time to time, the interception of the israel defense systems. something that i think that the majority of israel are not really used to it. maybe the people of gaza a were used to something, and i think that now of the families that a got murdered and seeing their children die in front of them. that's something that a no one can get used to. it's something that changeed israel probably forever. rich: what's the pace of life there? you mentioned explosions, you mentioned air a craft, you mentioned military activity. are people going to work? are people going to school? has life stopped in israel who? life stopped. i'm 42 years old and never saw or participated in operations

that we had, never saw something like that. doesn't matter where you go, the streets are empty. people try to stay with their families. many of them in the safe rooms that we have in the newer houses, part of them in the bomb shelters and no school. trying to hide from your children the reality and make sure they don't want to see you watching the news and see the different pictures over there and aren't exposed to things getting now through youtube and social media. never experienced that feeling, and it doesn't matter whether you are in reserves or you are just a civilian that try to have your job, yeah, life definitely stopped exactly a week ago on the last saturday.

rich: are you preparing for this to go on for a long time? are you even thinking that far ahead? >> in this kind of situation, a war situation, that's only something that we weren't prepared for. most of us didn't really expect definitely that scale especially coming from gaza. something like that might come from the lebanese border, we start to think about it regarding the syrian border. israeli army was very active there. and syria very prepared along the lebanese and here it came from gaza. and actually on that saturday we had a weekend in tel aviv and feels like that's the safest place getting from the syrian border, you're going to tel aviv and joined there from the coffee shops. and we woke up on saturday hearing the sirens and the explosions there and and opened

the television, and i will never forget that picture that you see a pickup with the the israel city by gaza with armed people standing in the back there shooting citizens passing on the streets. rich: yeah, just incredible. ilan shulman, thank you very much joining us from israel, just a few miles away from the syrian border. thank you. please stay safe. >> of course. thank you for having me. jacqui: thousands of palestinians are rushing to flee northern gaza as a israel's ground invasion is imminent. we'll have a live report from southern israel next. ♪ un ♪ i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant... is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms... ...better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased

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when this might begin? >> reporter: you certainly see a lot of staging and equipment put in place, and you have a desperate situation developing in the gaza strip particularly for foreign national. you heard the evacuation order that went into place for all of the civilian citizens to get south of gaza city itself. well, that is happening. there's a masses exodus. but you also have a9 lot of foreign nationals who went all the way to the southern end of the gaza strip to try to get out with a promise that an agreement had been reached with the egyptians to open the rafah crossing into egypt. for whatever reason, they went down there and that crossing never opened. emily is one u.s. citizen with whom i have been in cac. she's down there with her five did, cull of them -- all of them u.s. citizens, trying to get out of that rafah crossing. the sun went down, they went back to shelter. meantime, an indication that things are ramping out, prime minister benjamin netanyahu made an appearance on the front line with the troops who are basing here along the gaza border.

he asked them if they are, they said the next stages are coming, more strong hints. all eyes are on the northern border as well. dozens of rockets have come over. hezbollah has claimed responsibility, there's also been anti-tank fire at the northern border. israel has responded but thus far it has not melted down into another front opening up in this war. jacqui: mike tobin, please stay safe out there. thank you so much. rich: for more on this, israel at war, let's bring on our political panel. with us today is david few farly, former -- defarly, and frank he rose, ohio secretary of state. dave, i want to start with you. and as a former state department official, what the united states has been messaging abroad. and this is support for israel. there is an assurance that we're trying to work, in the united states, many getting those hostages back but also trying to

limit the civilian impact, try to limit how much this war could possibly spread. how does the u.s. thread this needle, and how do we make sure that we can fulfill all those goals if at all possible? >> well, it's a tough job with. we sent e over secretary blinken. he was the right envoy to go to israel. he met with netanyahu, gave him a big hug, and he shows for everyone around the world hat the u.s. supports israel. and he emphasized that this his public discussions. but privately, he's also urging israel to be proportional this their response. they obviously have to go after hamas and bring all of the hamas militants to justice, but they have to be careful about injuring civilians because we don't want the rest of the world to turn on israel. that's what he did next. he went to other arab countries, particularly the gulf countries, saudi arabia and uae. he's urging the leaders there to stay out of this conflict, don't support hamas, be careful with their public comments.

they have condemned the hamas attacks on israel, but we want to maybe sure that they and their populations are not doing anything to support hamas. that's also super important. and then we also need to make sure that we provide some funding for israel, we provide, you know, real, tangible support for the idf. rich: frank, what do you make of that, and what should the united states be doing in the coming days? >> well, let's put into perspective exactly what happened one week ago. this was the largest attack on the jewish people since the hold os cost. that doesn't stop you dead in your tracks, i don't know what does. we're talking about the brutal slaughter of innocent women and children. we're talking about these hamas if terrorists breaking through the border fence and then flooding these towns and kibbutzes along the border of gaza. and so what my focus is on, is on the american posture going forward. this is not a time for equivocation or a time for talk of proportionality. this is a time when we have to

be clear that israel didn't start this fight, but they have every right to finish it. now, in the weeks ahead there are going to be propaganda efforts by the palestinians, if and they are going to be profound. you know that the israelis, yeah, they use rockets to protect their civilians, but the palestinians use civilians to protect their rockets. so even though the israelis will try to avoid civilian casualties, there will be some. america has to be resolute that hamas -- i'm sorry, israel must do what they must to enhamas' ability to make war on them once again. rich: david, you mentioned the u.s. has delivered munitions, but it if it comes time for another appropriations, that's got to go through congress, or and right now the house doesn't have a speaker. how is that playing intoal of this? >> i'm really worried about that. we need to provide more funding, pass a measure in congress to support israel. we also need to do the same for ukraine. and ukraine also needs further support. and we don't want the countries on the ore side of these conflicts -- other side of these

conflicts with the israel conflict iran and hamas and with the ukraine conflict russia to think that they can be 'em 3w08dened -- emboldens. also without a speaker of the house, we have to worry about the fact that in mid november the can debt ceiling ends. i hope the republicans get their act to together and elect a leader. rich: frank, what do you think? early part of next week, will the house have a speaker? >> i spoke out on this days ago, i'm for ohioan jim jordan. he's a credentialed conservative, a fighter, and i think it's time for the house to coalesce around him and get this underway so they can start doing once again the people's work and standing with our ally, israel. rich: fellas, we're going to bring you back in just a little bit. in the meantime, thanks so much for joining us. also fox corp. has made a $1 million donation for united

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minister the, he reiterated president biden's decision making the u.s. stance on israel. >> crystal clear. >> now, this is no time for knewalty -- neutrality or for false equivalents or for excuses for the inexcusebl. there is never any justification for terrorism. >> reporter: israel's defense minister impressedded on austin he views the recent hamas takes as an exist if ten, threat. existential threat. >> murder, rape, kid e napping, this is what we face in this world. this war. this is a war on the existence of israel as a -- state, as a democratic state the, as the homeland of the jewish people. >> reporter: u.s.-made small diameter bombs and missiles have now arrived in israel. austin himself touring one of those shipments at an air base

yesterday just about 40 miles east of gaza, reflecting on his past encounters with isis years back. austin said he believed at the time he had stared evil in the eye, but that what he has seen this week from hamas is an entirely different level of evil. >> as a former commander of central command, the deliberate cruelty of hamas vividly reminds me of isis. bloodthirsty, fanatical and hateful. and like isis, hamas has nothing to offer but zealotry. bigotry. and death. >> reporter: as of this hour, hamas is still hosting -- holding captive dozens of hostages, we know that a 14 americans remain unaccounted for. all eyes, rich, are on the ikf to see whether this full scale

ground invasion everybody's anticipating gets urn way in the coming hours. back to you. rich: gillian turner live at the pentagon, thank you. jacqui: secretary austin travels to -- traveling to israel this week, we are going to discuss that trip with our panel when we come back. ♪ ♪ this is your season to smile with new dentures from aspen dental -- to gather together and discover the moments that matter, to jump into the fun and join in the celebration. to help get you ready, your aspen dental denture team is celebrating 25 years of affordable care with an epic anniversary savings event.

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jacqui: for more on israel at war, let's bring back david that furry and frank larose, former army special forces and ohio secretary of state. gentlemen, we've just heard from our foreign desk that the confirmed number of hostages still being held at this moment, that we've received is 126. conceivably, americans are among them, conceivably they are in gaza as this ground operation is getting under way. david, how difficult is it going to be for the biden administration to continue to stand as strongly with israel when they're going to, you know, we can expect as this gets under way is have people expressing concern about the fact that hamas is using these hostages as human shields and using civilians as human shields? >> i don't think that's going to deter the u.s. reportedly at least 20 of those hostages are u.s. or dual israeli-american citizens. i'm sure that seven tear austin is speaking -- secretary austin speaking to the defense

secretary of israel about that, maybe planning a joint operation. the way -- you know, the two exceptions that the u.s. is not going to be involved with boots on the ground is, number one, special forces to support rescue operations and, two, if hezbollah opens a northern front in israel. hamas is using the hostages as human shields, we know that. that was intentional. it's why they took the hostages, so it's going to make the land invasion into gaza more difficult, but but the not going to defer the u.s -- deferer the the u.s. or israel. rich: defense department officials say there the will be no american boots on the ground here. is that the right call in. >> we need to do what has to be done to rescue and repatriate these americans, and if that means cooperating with the israelis on actually taking action, that needs to be on the table. but let's be clear, hostage rescue is among the most complex military operations that exists. it's not something that traditionally is left to

conventional forces, it's generally a special operations mission. urban warfare is among the most complex matters in all of warfare. now we've got these two put together in probably one of the most difficult places to fight in the world, the densely populated, three-dimensional battle space with underground tunnels. this is going to be among the most complex military operations ever undertaken. jacqui: you know, we're seeing some reporting beginning to bubble up that there are four u.s. carrier strike groups at sea with the deployment of the uss eisenhower expected to head to the israeli coast can. how much pressure is the administration going to be under to use those resources, david, should this start to get dicey? >> i think they will only use those resources if hezbollah attacks in the north because that would be really taxing on the israeli defense forces to also have to confront hezbollah. and we would be well equipped to do airstrikes on hezbollah, and i think that's likely what the u.s. involvement9 would be if

there is any u.s. involvement. other than that, you know, the presence of the military there is just to show support for israel and to make sure that no other countries get involved, particularly iran. swre jeff thank you, david. we are out of time. appreciate your time, gentlemen. rich, it's been good being with you. rich: that's all for us this hour, "fox news live" continues with eric and arthel. jacqui: thanks for watching.

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