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developments in the conflict between israel and hamas, this as mr. biden submits a $105 billion aid request to congress that includes funding for israel, ukraine and the u.s. southern border. welcome to "fox news live," i'm mike emmanuel, illinoisan, it's great to have you -- gillian, it's great to have you. gillian: president biden and vice president harris also received a brief aring this morning on the late developments in israel and gaza from the national security team including the secretaries of state and defense. alex hoff joins us from rehoboth beach, delaware, where she's covering the president this weekend. hi, a alex. >> reporter: hi, gillian. we are await moreing more -- awaiting more details, we though this is at least the eighth time that they have so spoken since the war has broken out, and earlier today president biden spoke with pope francis over the phone. on that call, the president condemned the terrorist attacks by hamas, the two also spoke about the increased need to protect civilians and provide
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additional humanitarian aid. according to the white house, they also discussed the need to prevent escalation in the region and work toward a durable peace in the middle east. so when it comes to missing americans, that's something of constant the focus for the president. the ad administration is still trying to sort out how many of the 10 unaccounted for are being held hostage by hamas in dpaz is and -- gaza and how many of the 10 are dead. that adds to the question of whether the u.s. is urging israel to delay the ground invasion until the hostages are freed. we asked the president about that yesterday. >> >> reporter: are you encouraging the israelis to delay invasion? >> [inaudible] >> reporter: we know he is, because he spoke with the prime minister today. and this morning the president had breakfast at a popular spot here in rehoboth beach and avoided are directly addressing a delay. >> israel has not only the right, as a we've said, but the obligation to defend itself.
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we're not in the business of second guessing what they're doing. we are talking to them on a regular basis. about how they do it. >> reporter: keep in mind a week ago sources told fox news the u.s. government had asked israel to delay a ground operation until civilians could flee gaza, and cnn is reporting something similar. cril jill alex hoff in rebow both beach for us, thank you. mike: israeli troops are on high alert at both gaza and the lebanon border as iran-backed hezbollah threatens to join a hamas in fighting a ground war should the idf invade gaza. we have fox team coverage with lucas tomlinson in tel aviv and greg palkot at the lebanon border. let's start with greg. >> reporter: hey, mike. just in the last half hour, we've seen two flares sent up by the israeli mail tear --
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military, just about 10 seconds ago we heard an explosion on the other side across the border. in fact, in the days that we have been here, we have watched clashes between israel and the iranian-backed militants escalate and escalate. a good reason why, perhaps, with a huge ground incursion looming in gaza against hamas down south, prime minister netanyahu found the time to come up here to the north to be with the troops to deliver a clear message to hezbollah, don't attack or you will be devastated, he basically said. the fighting is going on. antitank missiles, mortar, small arms fire from hezbollah, tanks, artillery, drone blasts from israel. so far just in the last two weeks 19 hezbollah fighters have been killed, 6 israeli soldiers have been killed plus civilian casualties. take a look at what we saw and heard earlier today. up here in northern israel, seems like almost every neighborhood is reinforced one way or another. at in this turning of thed road, more than a dozen tanks and a
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whole lot of troops ready for anything. three divisions of israeli troops are in the north along with heavy armor guarding against possible infiltration and airborne attacks by hezbollah militants. most of the villages along the border have been evacuated in case of another war. >> the situation isn't easy. we're here, we're guarding the country. we are getting ready and we're ready whatever we need. but we're all family members. we came to, to watch our family. >> reporter: watch your family. >> make sure what happened in the south won't happen up north. >> reporter: it's a very personal thing for that that israeli-american soldier, as you could hear, mike. one more note just to show the interconnections of this well unrest, israel in the last 24 hours has bombarded with airstrikes two major airports inside syria. syria is basically the funnel, it's where iran sends its arms
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and ammunitions through to get to its terror proxies, hezbollah and also hamas down in the south. so it's unrest throughout the region right now. mike? mike: greg, it's been 15 days since those devastating hamas attacks. do you get a sense those israeli ground forces are getting antsy, to go in and just wanting to get it over with? >> reporter: yes. from what we've seen, and we've been here since almost the first days, and at that time, two or three days in when we were talking to soldiers who were on the border between gaza and southern israel, they were ready and anxious at that time. remember now that a lot of these folks have been sitting out in these fields, in these tanks, getting resupply for all this time -- resupplied, and that is a logistical issue as much as anything else. but it shows how tricky, how complicated this ground incursion will be into gaza is for israel to be taking this much time to be sure at least in their own thinking that they're
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going to get this right and it's not going to be easy. it'll be complicated especially with those hostages still inside gaza as well. mike: greg palkot doing a great job on the israel-lebanon border. many thanks. gillian: defense secretary austin is readying more troops for potential deployment as the u.s. is prepping for the con the flick to balloon across the region -- conflict to balloon across the region. lucas tomlinson with preparations underway from tel aviv. hi, lucas. >> reporter: first, ten u.s. senators came here to tel aviv today to meet with their israeli counterparts and show support for israel in this war against hamas. senator richard blume withen that would says hamas' massacre against israel began with the green light from iran. >> it is genocide. hamas doesn't just hate the jewish people like me, it wants to kill us. >> and when evil rears its head,
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we must look it into thes eyes, and we must take it down. and hamas is pure evil. >> reporter: the senators met with families of the hostages and were greatly moved by the photos, videos and stories that they saw. israeli forces continuing their strikes in gaza, hamas' number two fire support officer was killed responsible for rocket attacks against israel. now, last night defense secretary lloyd austin ordered the eisenhower strike group to proceed to the middle east. when it comes to the looming ground assault on gaza, austin predicts it will be a tougher fight than the 9-month fight against isis in mosul. >> this may be a bit more difficult because of the underground network of tunnels and the fact that they've had a long time to prepare for a fight if. so i think you'll see a fight
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that's a characterized by a lot of ieds, a lot of booby traps and just really grinding activity going forward. >> reporter: austin is also rushing in t. l.a. d. and patriot ballistic missile systems, no doubt a sign of how seriously they take that ballistic missile threat from iran, and all nonessential personnel have been ordered to evacuate and go back to the united states. gillian: that travel warning is now a four for the country. lucas tomlinson in tel aviv, thank you. mike: israel's prime minister saying that the hamas conflict is, quote, do or die for israel. also issuing a stern warning to ez hezbollah. joining me thousand live in studio is israeli special envoy for combating anti-semitism. mihal, welcome. >> thank you. mike: so you have argued that
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humanitarian aid should be based on some conditions. would you explain for our audience? >> absolutely, mike. reciprocity's a foundational principle of international law. all of those countries that are actually providing humanitarian aid to the civilians in gaza that are held hostage as weapons or sacrifices by genocidal terror organization hamas, all of that humanitarian aid has to be conditioned to the respect and upholding of that international law, i.e., for the immediate release of 218 hostages unconditionally. in order to receive that humanitarian aid which we know hamas will put its hands on some of it, there has to be a condition made, the immediate and unconditional return of hostages held against international if law. mike: you argue that a u.n. group is funding anti-semitism. i found that pretty shocking. can you explain that? >> it's not one single u.n. group, mike. there are institutions and organizations funded, including actually by american tax
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dollars, such as unrah that taught the savage barbarians that committed the atrocities offing9 7th. we have to know that unrah teaches the same curriculum right now, to today's palestinian children living in gaza, and there is no acceptable understanding for the continued support of such institutions or organizations. the that continue to fuel the same anti-semitic, vile hatred that enables the atrocities of october 7th. we have to learn from what happened on october 7th. the world cannot imagine going back to what happened, to the world before october 7th and after october 7th just like 9/11. we've got to move on this program. there are organizations, there are mechanisms that function within the u.n. that peddle the very same anti-semitic hatred that enabled the genocidal attack of october 7th and also enabled the responses around the world including right here on campus, right here on the streets in the united states, many melbourne, australia, in paris, in the u.k. that justify
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or excuse or deny the atrocities, the war crimes, the crimes against humanity perpetrated by the genocidal terrorists. mike: what is your message to those on campuses here in the united states out protesting? >> thank you, mike. the first thing to know is anybody that that cannot condemn what it is we saw, the murder, the bludgeoning, the rape, the burning of babies, the abduction of civilians, thousands, thousands murdered and injured, anybody who cannot unequivocally condemn that has picked a side. st the side of that has waged war on our shared humanity and on civilization. and the second very important message, mike, anybody truly committed to the identification and dot.com batting of the virulent anti-semitism that has fueled this attack, anybody who really understands that anti-zionism is the modern i mutated form of anti-semitism that needs to be identified and combated whether on campus, on
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social media platforms, in our law enforcement mechanisms has to brutalize the definition that includes precisely the new mutated, modern, main treatment form of anti-semitism that has fueled not only the atossty, but the responses to them -- atrocities, and that includes the working definition of anti-semitism that has been adopted by over 40 countries, by over 1,000 entities. this is the time, the masks have been pulled off. anti-zionism is anti-semitism. mike: what more needs to be done to fight anti-semitism in the world? >> well, the first thing, mike, it has to begin with a definition. you can't combat something without identifying it, and you cannot identify anything without defining it. and we have, as i said, a definition. the result of a long democratic process that includes the delegitimization and the double standards of the individual jew as an equal member in our society, but of the jewish
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nation-state,s israel, as an equal member in the family of nations. so the only way that we will be able to make any headway at this moment is to begin to identify anti-semitism in its full, comprehensive form using the international holocaust remembrance a alliance definition in every forum in which we are committed to combat anti-semitism. >> i think there are many of us who were hoping that we were further along in this world. that people had gotten beyond system of this hatred and some of this ugliness that we've seen in the last 15 days. are you surprised by some of the things we've seen over the past 15 days? >> you know, aye been tracking anti-semitism for a long time, for decades, and it's the same dehumanization that enabled the atrocities of the holocaust. when the world committed to never again, never again be silent, never again enable the targeting, the murder and the bludgeoning of individuals for their identity, for their heritage, for their ancestry, never again means something now.
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never again is right now. it is that jewish nation-state that that is targeted for the very same identity, heritage, antes access try. and am i surprised? i'm horrified. i have any own three -- my own three soldiers in the army right now, and i came here to make accessible the urgency of this war, because it is an assault on all who value the cherished values of life and liberty. it is an assault on all of our shared humanity. s it is an assault on civilization by genocidal terror. just one proxy that we keep mentioning, hamas, but you showed before the borders of israel, there are additional proxies of a genocidal regime in iran, and we have to differentiate it from the people of iran. mike: sure. >> the same regime that holds the people of iran hostage that are captive to exactly the same kind of genocidal hate, and we at this point in time, mike, have to rally all allies in that cherish our shared humanity and
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be the boots on the ground of this war. and i'll say the unconventional war for public opinion that has been waged, and we've seen it over and over again including on mainstream media, including on social media. that is the war of our times. so there are boots on the ground in israel and beyond, and there are many boots on the ground right here in north america that can fight this war. mike: my to you and your family. >> thank you very much for having me. mike: gilliansome. gillian: a prominent michigan synagogue president was found stabbed to death early saturday morning. a police investigation is underway this hour. matt finn joins us with new details on that ongoing case. hi, or matt. >> reporter: hi, gillian. the detroit police along with the help of the the fbi are investigating the murder of samantha woll. she was declared dead outside of her home in detroit yesterday, found stabbed to death. and police say this was a trail of blood leading up to her house. the motive right now is unknown. the 40-year-old community leader
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served as the president of the isaac igry downtown synagogue. woll was a campaign staffer for michigan's attorney general and a former aide to the democratic representative elissa slotkin. representative slotkin wrote in part, quote: in politics and in the jewish community, she dedicated her short life to building understanding across faiths, bringing light in the face of darknesses. family and friends are gathered right now for a funeral service to honor and to celebrate woll's life is and legacy near detroit as fellow leaders in the jewish community mourn her death. >> sam's role and the service that she provided transcended detroit's jewish community. it really was to the broader metro detroit community and southeast michigan. you know, she really believed in a jewish value of repairing the world. >> reporter: and the detroit
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police chief says, obviously, this murder is raising a lot of questions right now, but he is urging everyone not to draw any conclusions as they are actively investigating this death. gillian. gillian: matt finn on that investigation for us, thank you. mike? mike: israeli prime minister netanyahu warning hezbollah will make the mistake of its life if they launch a war against israel. we will speak with one of his former senior advisers next. ♪
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(inspirational music) gillian: well, the white house insists the highest priority right now is the safe and urgent return of american hostages being held captive by hamas in gaza. secretary of state blinken and the president himself managed this diplomatically, all the public-facing angles. behind the scenes the u.s. intelligence agency is working furiously to glean any information they can about the approximately 10 american hostages still remaining. let's bring in dan hoffman, former cia station chief, also a fox news contributor. dan, secretary blinken spoke earlier this morning about some of the machinations going on behind the scenes. take a listen, and i want to get your response. >> actions are what what speak, not words particularly coming from hamas. but we've been engaged, as i said, with partners. one of the first things that i did after the horrific attack of october 7th and is hostages were
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taken, men, women, young children, elderly people, it's extraordinary, was to the talk to everyone we could who might have influence with hamas in terms of releasing them. gillian: so, dan, what is the intelligence community doing now to kind of help in this effort? i imagine the first thing you have to do is identify these people, and then they have to locate them. >> it's extraordinarily difficult. and remember that this is in the wake of israel's most significant intelligence failure since the yom kippur war. so israel didn't have the human sources that they would have maded to warn them of that attack -- needed to warn them of that attack. and that is an indication of how difficult it's going to be to find these hostages who are likely being held below ground in tunnels and being moved around repeatedly yeah, i'm quite sure that a based on my experience the united states intelligence community is
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mounting a full court press to collect any bit of intelligence they can on the location of these hostages. we're working with our foreign liaison intelligence partners to do that, but it's a very tall order. without u.s. persons on the ground in gaza, it's extremely difficult. gillian: what is the most challenging component of the process, do you estimate? >> based on my experience particularly focused on u.s. hostages in iraq or in afghanistan, it's having a human source who can tell you where the hostages are being moved. the last thing we want to do is to see some attack against hamas terrorists result in the death of innocent hostages. who are being held alongside those terrorists. that's really the challenge there. when you launch a strike on a hamas terrorist, you want to be at near certainty that there are no civilians in the vicinity, especially hostages. and that's a very dynamic,
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ongoing challenge for israeli defense forces and, by extension, the united states. gillian: both the president and the secretary of state have taken great pains to publicly thank the the qatari government for their help in getting the the two americans who were freed out just before the weekend tarted. started. do you think they're going to be relying on qatar the same way moving forward, or was that a one-off? what do you make of that? >> yeah, i mean, it's a little bit of a counsel- double-edged sword when you've got a hamas leader who's been live anything doha, qatar, for quite some time. but that does give the country some leverage over hamas. and the result of that was the freedom for two americans being held hostage. i'm quite sure that secretary blinken and his team are steadfastly working to insure that we get more hostages out through this one and only, it
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appears, means to do it effectively. i don't know that i see any other options for us diplomatically. gillian: when we hear that the biden administration has already or is considering sending special forces in to help free u.s. hostages, what the does that mean? exactly what role do the they take in all this? or are they sort of the last stage of the process? they go in physically to help hose americans get out of there, or are they involved all along? >> yeah, i think you and i remember, certainly, from our experience working in the government with all sorts of meetings down at the white house that we've looked at every option that we might have to deploy u.s. intelligence assets and military assets and our diplomatic team to try to secure the release of the hostages. putting u.s. boots on the ground, look, the israelis have extremely detailed and historical experience operating
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in gaza. they've just been in gaza reportedly today skirmishing with hamas terrorists. they were there the once before to try to secure the release of some of the hostages. i think the united states might be able to provide some assistance but, frankly, the comparative advantage here is on the side of idf. and i think the extent that we can support them is by collecting intelligence through other means on iran, on syria, on hezbollah to try to advise israel of any imminent threats from second and third fronts on the golan heights and in lebanon. and hen to work with our israeli counterparts as they need to release those hostages or to gain their freedom of we have some experience of our own in fallujah and in mosul, and those fights were long and bloody. not even applicable to gaza. you've got narrow streets and flattened buildings and all sorts of opportunities for improvised explosive devices and
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explosively-formed projectiles and snipers. it's a hamas kill zone. gillian: before i let you go, dan, much has been made in the media about the fact that october 7th even happened, that hamas was able to coordinate and implement a terror attack of this scale. a lot of folks say that it represents an israeli intelligence failure. what are your thoughts about that? >> it was. and i think at least at first glance they appeared to be relying on a lot of their technology at the point of attack on the border. and didn't have the sources inside hamas that would have allow them the opportunity to detect the threats way out left of boom so that those threats could have been preempted. and instead there was a hamas surprise attack which likely took months and months to prepare for: but i have no doubt that when israel conducts the forensics along with the united states providing assistance that a we'll learn that iran provided hamas not just with military equipment and lots of money, but
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tactical intelligence so that that hamas would be in the know about where israel's vulnerabilities existed and how to exploit those vulnerabilities. i think we'll see that. gillian: dan, we've got to leave it there, but thank you for taking time with us. learn a lot from your expertise, as always. >> thank you. gillian: so as u.s. officials now races to identify and lower candidate those remaining hostages, flare-ups continue along israel's border with lebanon. we're going to take you there coming up after the break. ♪ ♪ mucinex instasoothe sore throat medicated drops. uniquely formulated for rapid relief that lasts and lasts. that's my babyyy! -ow! get mucinex instasoothe. it's comeback season.
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strip and in the north continue to get visits from the defense minister and prime minister. the defense minister telling the traps this will be the last operation into gaza because when it's over, there will be no more that has. -- hamas. prime minister benjamin netanyahu telling the troops this op won't be like other wars. >> translator: i know you lost friends. it is very difficult. but we are in a battle for our life, a battle for our home. this is not an exaggeration, this is the war. it is do or die. they should die. >> reporter: airstrikes continue to pound the gaza strip, this time hitting a refugee camp about midway down the gaza strip. palestinians say the marketplace there was decimated. it's unclear exactly -- you can hear the artillery firing in the background -- unclear how many casualties were the result of that strike. aid is making it in to the gaza a strip. 17 trucks made it in today, 20
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made it in yesterday. officials working with the aid agencies in the gaza strip say the aid that's coming in is just a drop in the bucket. it's limited to food, medicine and water. fuel is not being allowed in. more than two weeks since the massacre of october 7th infiltrators are still being found inside of israel at least according to israeli tv. one was found today, he was said to be badly dehydrated and exhausted. mike? mike: mike tobin live in southern israel. mike, be safe. thanks very much. gillian? willville tensions rising along israel's northern front as clashessen between iran-backed hezbollah and israeli forces picks up, this as israel is expanding evacuation efforts near the the lebanese border. steve harrigan joins us from beirut this hour. what can you tell us? >> reporter: gillian, the pace of the fighting back and forth over israel 's northern border has picked up. israel says hezbollah fighters overnight fired antitank missiles at three lower
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occasions inside israel. so far over the past two weeks hezbollah admits to losing 25 of its fighters killed, israel 5 soldiers killed. the prime minister of israel was in the north today talking to troops there and is really issuing a warning to hezbollah, a stark warning, saying that destruction in lebanon would be unimaginable if hezbollah does join the fight and opens up a second front against israel. and as you mentioned, israel seems to be preparing for just that eventuality, they are expanding the evacuations in the north. another 14 communities evacuated. this brings the thurm up to about 50,000 people on the move, civilians trying to get out of harm's way near that border with lebanon. it allows them both the chance to keep those civilians safe and also allows the military a free range of operations mere that northern border. gillian, back to you. gillian: steve hey began in beirut for us, thank you. mike? mike: president biden spoke with israeli prime minister netanyahu
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♪ ♪ mike: israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu issuing a scathing warning to hezbollah to stay out of the war saying israel will, quote, cripple it with a force it cannot even imagine. israeli air force reservist and former senior adviser to the prime minister joins me now. mohamed, welcome. >> hey. thank you for having me. mike: sos it's been 15 days since these devastating attacks. what's the mood like with you, your neighbors, friends and family? >> first of all, i have to speak as a muslim, that to go up in islam -- [inaudible] what's happened on the october 7th with a hamas is contrary of the human standout and islamic
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sharia. they killed and slaughtered babies and women, and all the people -- older people for their own agenda. the islamic sharia, islam religion is against all this attacks, against innocent people. it's so horrible and it's so bad. and i think that the islam have to do -- israel have to do everything to release the hostages and bring them back to their home. mike: you have a very interesting background, an arab muslim who has served in the israeli mail tear. -- military. why do you believe that israel is such a special place? >> because i have the freedom of everything here. i have the freedom to worship, to the work, to do anything. not only me. what israel did for the palestinian in gaza strip and
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then the west bank while the hamas did e the barbarian attacks against innocent people in israel, israel approve at least 100,000 palestinians to come and to work in israel in -- to come and to take medical -- in their hospitals. this is what with we doing and what we extend to the palestinians, and this is what hamas did for our people in israel. mike: your parents moved to israel, is my understanding, and so so you're proud to be there, you're proud to live with the israelis -- >> my parents not move to israel, they -- we are, all my family, we are grow up here. mike: yes, yes. >> the blood alliance between my family and between my -- with the jewish people in israel is
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since 1936 before that that was established. mike: well, cheerily you love the -- clearly, you love the country. you served the country. you served with prime minister netanyahu. what are your concerns about this response to hamas? >> hamas, i think, how prime minister netanyahu and the defense minister say, hamas, we have to eliminate and destroy hamas infrastructure in gaza strip because hamas is the most danger movement -- first of all, palestinian people in gaza because they are occupying gauze a strip -- gaza strip. and they use, they are using hem as a human shield for their attacks, for their agenda. hamas hiding their leadership who is in gaza, lives still live
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in gaza behind the mosques, under the hospitals and behind the children. and they're using them as a human shield. and the other high leadership of hamas, they now staying in a luxury, luxury -- mike: hotel? >> hotel in other cups finish countries. their families now living and staying in luxury hotels, but the people, the palestinian people, the civilians in gaza, they are, members of hamas, isis, using them as a human shield. mike: okay. mohamed, thank you so much for for your time today. we appreciate it, sir. >> thank you so much. gillian: a massive anti-israel
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mike: unrest across new york city last night as thousands of aunt-israel demonstrators -- anti-israel demonstrators took to the streets. c.b. cotton is live in new york city with more. hello, c.b. >> reporter: good afternoon, mike. the thousands of pro-palestinian supporters not only are calling for a ceasefire, they also are telling me they feel frustrated with the pace of humanitarian aid ott region. some of them saying they feel the 2020 the aid trucks allowed -- 20 the aid trucks yesterday are simply not enough. now, questioned these thousands of protesters marched and chanted for hours, and chaos erupting when police told people to go home. as officers tried to get the crowd urn control, people set fires in trash cans in the middle of the road, people continuing their chants, some of them sitting down in the road as police tried to clear a path for traffic to start moving. police detained 19 people, most of them issued criminal court summons for disorderly conduct. now, before the chaos, we saw
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this: >> we will free palestine! >> reporter: organizers leading the crowd i with chants demanding palestinian liberation, some waving signs. then the crowd calling israel a colonizer. before the rally began yesterday, we also witnessed this, a truck displaying images of kidnapped israelis getting booed out of the area. after the vehicle left, we never saw it return. the democratic new york city councilman who represents the area made a lengthy post on, and writing in part: i support the right of israel to exist as a jewish state. i represent one of the largest palestinian communities in the country, and i support their aspiration for self-determination to exist as an independent state is. but justice for one won't come through the erasure of another. as these pro-palestinian rallies continue, we're also monitoring vigils in support of israel
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evening. back to you. mike: c.b. cotton, thanks very much. gillian: for more on the protests, we're joined now by jonathan sander, foundation for defense of democracy. jonathan the, we saw last week protests erupt fairly spontaneously in middle east capitals, in tehran and baghdad and beirut. they then rah spread to western european capitals. they're now right here on america's doorstep. the vast majority of them seem to be very hotly anti-israel, anti-jewish in the thrust of the sentiment. >> yeah, that's absolutely the case. i find it remarkable that you see these protests in support of hamas, essentially, after a position ram. they killed $position rom. there is zero accountability for hamas, zero accountability for the palestinians. this is an attempt, i believe, to the try to intimidate western capitals. they've always been afraid of the kind of chaos that could
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erupt across the arab world and certainly in the european capitals. and so i think this is an attempt to try to scare western governments from supporting the state of israel. i think most of the world is still behind israel, most of the western world, and the hope anyway is that these protests don't change that. gillian: is this a way for americans -- is there a way for american civilians to, if they don't want to take to the streets in protest, on the other side of the equation who want to support the israelis to sort of show their hand here? >> absolutely. i mean, you know, i think we're seeing a lot of people reaching out to members of congress, giving them exactly the sorts of opinions that members should be hearing. and we're seeing a lot of action on the hill right now. members of congress holding hearings, wanting to learn more. i believe that a lot more can be tone the in the realm of curbinf curbing hamas finance.
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there are countries that we supporters notably turkey, qatar, malaysia, lebanon, these are jurisdictions that have enabled hamas finance, ask and i think our members of congress and representatives in government should be hearing more about this in the days and weeks to come. gillian: you talk about the money trail. on university campuses pulling out major donors pulling funding from schools that are allowing anti-israeli and anti-jewish sentiment to spread rampantly on college campuses as a, as a productive means here. talk to me a little about that. >> yeah. we're certainly seeing some of the philanthropists that have been supporting these schools beginning to pull that support. we're hearing a lot of anger from alumni -- gillian: voting with the checkbook. >> yeah. refusing to show up for, you know, homecoming weekends, things like that. i think that is a good sign, that's a good start. but i do believe that the universities have allowed themselveses to become hot beds forked radical professors -- for radical professors who have
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tenure and are very difficult to remove from those chairs. gillian: when you look at the broader policy objectives here, the biden administration is insisting their number one priority is to prerent this from spilling over and -- prevent this from spilling over and becoming a broader regional war. do you think that the u.s. has the ability to really deter iran from getting directly involved? if in a ground invasion, ground war, rather? >> look, that's the big question. right now after the president directly threatened the iranians, directly threatened hezbollah with, they continue to provoke israel day after day. we have seen out of lebanon dozens of anti-tank rounds fired at israeli military positions. the iranians are still stoking unrest across the region, deploying shiite militia as in places like iraq, yemen and syria to go after the u.s. as well as israel. right now i think there are open questions about whether the biden administration is seen as a credible threat to iran and
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its proxies. this needs to change. gillian: before i let you go, i want to ask you if you think, you know, looking back over the last week whether you think president biden's visit to israel was worth it? >> look, he certainly, i think, service a shot to the arm, shot in the arm to the israelis. i think they felt good about the fact that they're getting his support. but again, without that deterrence, without administration's ability to to the truly scare iran to get them to start to pull back from the brink, i'm not sure that the trip accomplished what the president set out to do. gillian: we've got to leave it there there, but thanks for taking time with us today. good to see you in person. >> you too. mike: that is all for this hour of "fox news live." another hour is next with eric shawn and holly line. -- molly line. gillian: thanks for watching. ♪
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