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people are literally panicked about this happening so close to their homes. >> i've got about 30 seconds left for you. also the fact that this is a very violent and very dangerous person who is highly trained with weapons, who apparently is armed and dangerous in this community. your final thoughts? >> maine is well-known for people who are well seasoned in arms safety. this is a shock. maine was ranked by fbi as the safest state with the fewest violent crimes in 2022. this just doesn't happen here. this is unusual. it is something we have to be concerned about and we have to know how to treat people like this when they have mental illnesses so we stop this from happening to begin with. >> great to have you on as always. we appreciate your time. >> thank you, trace.
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>> covering breaking news from the united states, specifically lewis on the, maine as you see on the right hand side. lewiston had a shooting. the earlier numbers we were given is somebody walked into a bowling alley and opened fire. apparently that same person walked into a restaurant/pool hall and opened fire and fled the scene. the death toll we were given earlier is 22. police are now not giving numbers. of course the number of wounded was given as 30. we do know that there are a
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number of victims that ever been taken to local hospitals and are being treated and one of those is a level 2 trauma center surgeons on stand by. >> he is 40-year-old robert card. he is said to be an active reserve issa in firearms. you see him him coming out of the bowling alley. there are pictures of of him coming out the other location mg it's interesting when you look at this because this person is still on the run.
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police have found a car they believe belongs to robert card up in lisbon outside lewiston and believe it's his card but have not found the shooter but they believe he is armed dangerous and very lethal. i bring in bill for the lates on what we are hearing and the latest information. >> trace that manhunt is very much still ongoing. we continue to listen in on police scanners. they did announce they found a vehicle of interest in that lisbon area. based off what we are listening to, they're focusing a lot of law enforcement resources, but to rewind, if we can pull up robert card's photo, lewiston police announced this is their
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only person of interest in connection with this mass shooting law enforcement sources telling fox news the numbers they have right now are at least 22 people dead and dozens of others injured. we are getting more color. fox news did review internal law enforcement bulletin saying robert card plaza military boundary believe to be part of the army reserve, firearm instructor known to have mental health issues reported voices in his head threatened to shoot up a military base and recently as this summer spent two weeks in a mental health facility and released. those details are going to raise questions how he got that rifle he's holding with mental health
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issues going into a facility this summer there are going to be questions how this guy was able to possess a firearm like that. obviously there's a chance he purchased it on the street or it's a ghost gun. the atf will come in sort out those questions once they fight this guy take him down and run emergency traces on that gun where it came from. in the meantime i can tell you a short time ago we got on the phone with a woman. we cold called her. she identified herself a this is sister-in-law of robert card the suspect in this shooting. she told us, yes he's my brother-in-law, of the suspect. police are trying to get more intel on him. what his patterns would be maybe
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trying to use the family members to tell him to turn himself but the manhunt ongoing i can tell you a short time ago the local school district lewiston announced there will be no school tomorrow. considering there's a mass shooter hiding in their community if he's in that community. most of the law enforcement response centered in lisbon area where they announced they found a vehicle of interest that's going to be that way subaru outback, police saying this shooting happened earlier this evening just before 7 p.m. eastern time at two separate locations one a bar the other a bowling alley and the alley is where they got the photos of the suspect walking out with that rifle. that there is i'm probably going to pronounce, wrong, the
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bowling alley was spare time. the newest information last 30 minimum his name i.d. and boundary again a firearms instructor with a military boundary believed to be army reserve believed to have mental health issues. again list sister-in-law telling us she's with police right now. that means they're with the family trying to determine where this guy is going to be and the car found in the lisbon area and again this happened about 35 miles north of portland, central maine medical center one of the main hospitals out there saying they about no longer taking patient because they were responding to mass casualty shooting event. police held their press conference and announce his
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identity, identify him as a person of interest not going as far as saying he's a suspect but did not have a firm count on casualties or those who are dead. that the potentially because we heard those reports that dozens of people are injured up to 50-60 people hurt. now 50-60 injured doesn't necessarily mean 50-60 shot. we see people stampede try to get out of a building. there's potential for these numbers to go up. right now the deadliest mass shooting was vegas in 2015. >> i want to read this so our audience knows if you saw the news conference from police i
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want to read what they released and the maine state police is attempt to go locate robert card person of interest regarding at chemingy's bar and restaurant. it says card is a trained fire armed instructor believed to be in the army reserve. according to law enforcement he reported mental health issues including hearing voices and threats. card was also reported to have been committed to mental health facilities for two weeks during the summer of 2023 which is in re-sen months. card was last known to be operating a maine registration. white subaru outback, the subject should be considered armed and dangerous. caution should be used if contact is made with card or the
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vehicle and yet quickly and we are going to bring in nicole parker when you got the police news conference here you've got a 5th of that information. they didn't release any of the key information apparent hi reticent because of what we don't know. final thoughts. >> it's important to point out that information about his boundary military service mental health issues firearms instructor coming from internal law enforcement sensitive document put out by maine state police initially sent to law enforcement only that eventually linked to media we got it to fox news and reviewing it. that didn't go out to the public. we are only learning that from this internal document. what went to the public was a quarter of that information. looks like his drivers license photo name person of interest armed dangerous and if you see him call us, that's all the
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public got. the color about his boundary talking about mental illness is coming from law enforcement sensitive document which they didn't intend to get to the public. >> i want to bring in nicole parker. thank you for joining us. the content was david played this earlier or showed earlier was the state police documenting his concerns and expertise with weapons and military background and it's true it wasn't meant to go public but it did before police gave their news conference and you would believe nicole that they would address this either change it if it's not correct, say that it is correct if it is and more
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information about what they need to know about this person. is that a fair assessment? >> i guarantee there will be more press conferences and more information put out by law enforcement. they're going to err on the side of caution that it's accurate and ready to be presented to the public. i think it's important to know the family members have been approached his sister-in-law. anyone who knows him is being questioned by law enforcement and working with law enforcement. any of those individuals if you know this person and you have contact with this person do not approach them physically but encourage this person to turn themselves in. this is a very sick individual who has had major mental health issues. gone in for two weeks at least.
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this is not the type of individual should ever possess firearms they need to report to law enforcement. turn yourself in. this community needs to continue to stay on lockdown. but when you look at those with mental health issues that doesn't make you a dangerous person. it's mental health issues and firearms and potentially planning to threaten individuals. there were definitely stressors. three specifically that caused him to go over the edge. they have an idea but don't act on it whether it was anxiety financial struggle fight with a loved one a grievance that they felt alone or whatever it may have been that is when it is extremely dangerous. this person should never have firearms. i know after the parkland
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shooting and the red flag laws, law enforcement is focused on identifying where the individual is, getting as much information as they can. we cannot underestimate it is time to pray for this community. we don't know the number but potential 22 deaths. that reunification center is a tough place to be there. their loved one isn't there. what law enforcement is doing on the crime scene, it is their job to identify each of the deceased individuals. that's not an easy job. it's absolutely horrific. i'm sure family members are being asked to provide pictures to identified the deceased. it's important to understand all the moving parts you don't see
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on television. there are loved ones who don't have had their family members and will likely receive a death notice of this individual. everybody needs to shelter in place. this person of interest has not been arrested is not in custody and that's number one priority of law enforcement. people scrubbing social media accounts searching home checking internet searches trying to figure out their mental history medications, mental health check this summer local state federal law enforcement and time to pray for this community. >> thank you for your time. is ted still with us? i want to bring back in ted williams i wondered if you're
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surprised when you see the descriptions sent out by state police. i wasn't supposed to be made public. i'm wondering if you hear of a person who self reported that he was having some problems spent couple weeks in a mental health facility armed firearms instructor would that person be a candidate to maintain those firearms and maybe he didn't have legally? but it seems like that wouldn't be the optimal position to put somebody in. >> trace, you are absolutely right. i would have to believe they are going to have to conduct an investigation and see how this guy maintained firearms having been in a mental institution. one of the things we know and you've reported on an army reservist and firearms
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instructor so it could be over a long period of time he kept these firearms but there were so many warnings signs here and you would have hoped that someone would have picked up on the warning signs. family members. our members of the army reserve perhaps because what we know is that he was hearing voices that he had these mental problems. we are going to learn at some point or another that mental health could have been a factor but one of the things we know trace is that he targeted these places that would give him the advantage to kill or maim as many people as he could. quite naturally, that bowling
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alley was part of the fixation. so, the investigation is going to continue. i would believe that it's more likely that sooner rather than later they are going to come upon him. one of the things we must keep in mind is that he was a military reservist. he knows the woods in the area even around lisbon where they found his car. >> it's a good point ted williams because he seems to be very resourceful so if he is military clearly he's an expert in weapons and makes sense that he worked in the national guard in that area that he would know the area could be resourceful and could be out there for a while. what you're seeing here is auburn, maine what nicole parker the reunification center where the people who believe they have loved ones who have not answered
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cell phones will report to get information from police. if i can bring in dr. mark siegel again, we look at this, nicole parker was giving us a detailed thing what a horrifying situation this is for the families, the loved ones, the friends of the victims in this and i wonder if there's a process when they come in. police don't have specific numbers on the wounded or specific numbers on the dead so if you're in the reunification center what's the process to actually identify these bodies and get information to the families the best you know sir? >> great question and of course, as nicole was saying there's a lot of fear and worry and it's tremendous anxiety want to go know and obviously what you want to know is that your loved one is alive even if they're wounded and we heard that going on in
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israel that knowing your loved one is alive even if they're wounded, even if they have severe wounds that is what everybody is hoping for so the hospital central maine medical center knows that and they want to get the information out to people as soon as possible that your loved one is alive not for us but for them. you know we want to know the number of wounded how many being treated, triaged in the operating room how many in critical condition but for those loved ones they want to know they're alive. i also want to comment briefly trace about the issue of the suspect or potential suspect robert card. you know, bill did excellent report on this. if he was in a mental health facility hearing voice everybody is going to think of the word schizophrenia. it may not be. it may be delugsz. they usually use anti-psychotic medications to try to get
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someone back to reality. if they're experiencing real violent planning with a plan the shoot up a national guard station that is extremely dangerous like nicole parker was saying. that kind of person you would want to release. homicidal ideation and what is your plan. we don't want people on the streets like that or having firearms. >> dr. mark if you would stand by the man right side of the screen is robert card. we are continuing breaking news coverage of a mass shooting in lewiston, maine, about 36 miles from portland and we don't have exact numbers but many, many victim are there and this man who is an expert in firearms is apparently still on the run. they have found his car.
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auburn mayor. >> it's unbelievable. we have our force out here plus lewiston county state one thing about maine if you're not from maine when someone is need everybody comes. i've been talking to a lot of our officers that we all should be proud of them. >> that support is beyond maine. >> yes, i've gotten phone calls from around the country tech messages from folks and everybody knows about this on national news but we are going to focus inside our community. we are going to heal our community. we are going to persevere. we are going to get through this. it's no time not to so it will take a while. something like this doesn't just
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get solved overnight but we have a strong community. we have overcome a lot. >> it's really relief. >> if you think about it, this is a happier place and the entire area. this is a reunification where witnesses that saw traumatic events come together with family and loved ones so it is happy but on the flip side you're seeing the turmoil and the trauma that they're going through especially the witnesses. unless you've been there you can't describe other than you can feel empathy for them. >> where were the witnesses? >> centralized location. we brought them there. it's going to be a long process but then we brought them once everything was sletdz we can bring them back safely and all
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statements taken. that needs to happen. investigation is investigation. >> mayor, in other mass shooting incidents the reunification point has sometimes been a moment where the loved one comes to a tragic realization their relative didn't make it. >> yes. >> have any of those interactions taken place here tonight? >> yes. i'll just leave it at that. >> what sort of process has the hospital workers been doing to connect more people? >> i haven't talked to the hospital directors. they're busy and we all need to respected that. they are working with known vivenlgtsz support networks that trained professionals from the state police as well as local
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churches that are trained in crisis response. [indistinct] >> thanks very much. >> looking at the cars it was a quick process. >> [inaudible] >> exact number i don't know but 45-50 people. we took having from all the locations consolidate them and brought them in on a passenger metro bus so we can keep them contained and get them over here safely. >> [inaudible] >> i hope so.
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anything else? going to be a long couple weeks. >> that's the mayor of auburn, maine which is the ajoining area. he said the reunification center in auburn maine that it was a happy place because families come back there and reunite with loved ones but normally those centers give word their loved one didn't make it and he said yes that's happened. little unclear there. >> ted i've been to a lot of these centers and seems to me this mayor may no have been prepared for this news conference. >> trace i have to agree. i think the events of this nature take place there are
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public officials like a mayor that are somewhat in shock and operating on auto pilot and give information that's somewhat contradictory in nature but as nicole parker brought out earlier at these reunification center you will have law enforcement officers there to do and conduct as many investigations as possible and i can unequivocably tell you that's also going on at the hospital where individuals being treated or trying to get as much information. trace, what you have to realize crime scenes are like puzzles and there are various individuals in law enforcement that are tempted to put together
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the puzzle find out what happened why these individuals were shot by perhaps a person of interest as we know him robert card. >> yes. that's right. ted stand by. we have been saying here you can see the bottom of the screen. these are numbers we got. we had a news conference. the lewiston police came out and said they're not going to give numbers because they change but earlier police north gave the numbers bottom screen at least 30 wounded 22 killed in this shooting in maine if you don't it happened at two places one was a pool hall and the other was a bowling alley they are about ten minutes apart. we don't know how many were killed or wounded in each of those places. in fact we don't know the exact number. the police apparently don't know
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the exact number. bill malugin has been following in getting a better idea and new information about what the numbers are coming out. >> we are just learning the local sheriff out there gave a interview to the portland press herald he confirmed there are at least 22 people shot dead. 14-16 of them happened at the bar and grill. that would confirm our earlier reporting at least 22 people are dead and the sheriff out there says 14-16 were found at the bar grill the pool hall that would leave the other fatalities likely at the bowling alley so local police did not want to give a number at their press
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conference earlier but the local sheriff sampson put out the photos of the suspect with that gun in the bowling alley early he is confirming to the portland press herald at least 22 confirmed dead, 14-16 happened at that bar and grill. >> any numbers with the wounded? we know 30 on the screen will did the sheriff talk about wounded? >> it's been described as dozens. sounds like the number of wounded is fluid and the number likely going to go up as well as the fatalities. >> it's an awful scene. we are going to take a break. we are in jerusalem covering the war in israel and on the other side of break we will continue our news conference of the shooting in lewiston maine. at least 22 dead from the sheriff and dozens wounded.
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>> welcome back to breaking news coverage live in jerusalem. we are focusing mainly on the breaking news in the united states which is the mass shooting in lewiston maine the sheriff there says a least 22 people have been shot and killed and the wounded the numbers are in the dozens, no specific number but in the dozens. apparently the shooter walked into two separate places a pool hall and bowling alley and opened fire at both and we will have continuing coverage but we point out there's breaking news here in israel there is word
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from reuters idf forces a large incursion of troops went into gaza some time overnight. it was a large incursion that went in gaza for reconnaisance or other missions. we go to kevin corke and the shooter identified as a 40-year-old man is still on the run. apparently has mental health issues and is a firearms instructor and is resourceful. kevin what are you hearing from the white house? >> because this is a fluid circumstance, obviously leaders
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of the white house would like to be informed of what is happening. we have learned that the president has had an opportunity to speak with the governor of maine as well as senators king and collins from the great state of maine. >> i checked my last here. also congressional lawmakers in maine offering federal supported, offering the full weighted of the federal government in any way possible. what is interesting here tonight is given the fact it was a state dinner and the president busy being updated constantly on what's happening in maine i think is not only the right move from a policy perspective but it's also important the white house get the message out not just to congressional lawmakers
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senators and others but also to the american people that are aware and i think given the number of shootings we have covered the fact mr. card has been able to u lewd law enforcement is quite the surprise here. he probably knows well how to avoid easy capture. i think there was something mentioned about the idea that you have to really be careful also in this pursuit because you don't what ordinance this person might have, explosives, booby trap, so everybody watching this whether at home in maine or
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watching on fox that viewing is happening at the white house. >> you have simultaneous stories here because you not only have the shooting talking about the numbers victims places and the crime but you have a manhunt underway and local police and sheriffs telling us there are dozens of police officers looking for robert card and they found his car. they found his car just a short distance away, so unless he stole another vehicle the presumption is that he on foot. and there's a lot of people looking for him and the fact at this late hour they haven't found him is concerning. >> especially considering how wooded maine is. the state is beautiful but also
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very rich in variety of terrains so the fact this person could be hiding any where is of great concern at there hour. >> we should note some of the names in maine are confusing of weave been saying saco, maine. it's sock-oh. let's go to israel and alex is live in central israel with more on this. alex. >> hi, trace. so this is according to a reuters wire that came out citing an israeli radio channel saying overnight there was an idf incursion into the gaza strip. this would have been one of the missions of its kind in the last three weeks since this conflict broke out so read rating it
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described it as the largest raid than previously carried out ground forces having a relatively large incursion so there's been conversations the last 24 hours when a ground incursion could take place and we heard from prime minister benjamin netanyahu dancing around those questions not saying whether that would happen. it was a matter when. no spoefrk word if this will turn into the potential ground expansion and invasion that has been talked about for weeks but we have seen more attacks across the country. we can show footage in tel aviv. we went to the site of a rocket gaza that landed about 5 miles from here. it blew up part of an apartment
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complex. we can show the video. take a listen. >> the entire street is swarmed with not only police but firefighters, the building behind me three paurmtds took a direct hit with civilians living inside so police have been in and out with k9s trying to find everyone under rubble. >> some are evacuated. nobody died. >> now at the same time israeli defense forces say they've increased attacks on parts of gaza where the u.n. says about half the population there is displaced. u.n. secretary general has face ed criticism about his words about the conflict how hamas quote tack on israel was not something that happened in a
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vacuum. he did clarify that in the last 24 hours saying he fully condemned any attacks on both sides of this conflict. in tel aviv we have seen for signs of hostages taken in the last couple of weeks. now there's a new display up of teddy bears that are bloody and blindfolded to symbolize the children taken hostage by hamas. in the city as you well know a lot of these areas are more full with people who are from all across the country roughly 250,000 people evacuated from parts of israel that pain that desperation that sense of grief is felt here and again as we know with this potential change that we are seeing and what israelis will wake up to, we will wait to hear from prime
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minister benjamin netanyahu about what this attack would mean and will mean moving forward for two sides of a con conflict. >> we are hitting a break in 40 minutes will there was ornd in tel aviv today. do you have anything on that. >> we can't expand on that. but the main thing to go off this morning that the israeli ground forces carried out is relatively large incursion into the gaza strip. >> alex hogan we will get back to you. we are covering breaking news on two ends in the united states and lewiston, maine a mass shooting and there's also breaking news in israel. we will ever lucas tomlinson with us next.
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>> continuing coverage of breaking news on two ends of united states and in israel. luke a tomlinson can explain more about this ground incursion labeled as a large one by idf soldiers into gaza. lucas did these change sizes on a regular basis? >> trace, this looks to be a very brief incursion. in fact, the israeli defense forces posting on twitter a statement with video staying, quote in preparation for the next stages of combat the idf operated in northern gaza idf infantry struck anti-launch missile posts. it comes one after israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu said he would strike gaza and move into the territory any time of his choosing. that would not be up to anybody
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else only israel. >> quickly lucas are these unusual incursions? or are they a nightly occurrence? >> we definitely haven't seen anything this large so far in this 20 day old war so this appears to be a major operation but appears to be a feint to keep hamas -- >> we just lost him. there has been a mass shooting in lewiston, maine. the sheriff there says that 22 people have been shot and killed and dozens of people have been shot and wounded in a bowling alley as well as a restaurant and a pool hall. we will continue our breaking news coverage of both stories on a special edition of "fox news at night" in minutes.
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>> continuing breaking news coverage this time in united states where there has been a mass shooting in lewiston, maine 22 people a least shot and killed dozens wounded. i wanted to bring back ted williams if i can and ted your final thoughts on what you have seen on the. we have been covering this now for the better part of three hours. as you look at this and the
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suspect still on the run what do you make of this in the hours and minutes going forward? >> you know trace what i make of it it's something that's happened over and over again. that is guns and mental illness are very dangerous concoctions. i have to believe that law enforcement are also trying to determine if he drove to that location and perhaps changed cars or perhaps had an accomplice. >> yes, exceptional insight as always. thanks for your help. let's bring dr. mark siegel as ted was pointing out the mental health issue, a national guard reserve and still is, expert with firearms, instructor self reported he was everything delusional thoughts. your final thoughts on this. >> trace, there appears to have
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been great warning signs here. homicidal aid creation, threats of violence, unstable person, hearing things, looks like the big lesson and message here is we need to pay more attention to that and not give fire arms to these people but i hope the people of lewiston maine in fear not knowing where he is let's play that law enforcement catches him soon. >> dr. mark thank you very much. we talk about this being a mass shooting it's a manhunt dozens of police officers searching the wound around lewiston because they've found his car. they have not yet found the shooter. we will continue all week long you are breaking news coverage on the war in israel. i'll trace gallagher in jerusalem. i'll see you right back here again, tomorrow night. ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪
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