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maine on edge tonight as law enforcement work round the clock trying to catch robert carr. he's a suspect in the mass shootings that killed at least 18 people. he should be considered armed and dangerous. based on our investigation, we believe this is someone that should not be approached. >> we will work day and night alongside our law enforcement partners to get the answers to the questions this community deserves. >> no rest. law enforcement in maine as the manhunt continues. welcome back, everybody. i'm kevin cork. hey, kevin. and i'm griff jenkins on this early, busy friday morning. we're keep an eye also on the middle east where u.s. fighter jets have struck iran linked sites in syria. a short while ago in retaliation for attacks on american troops in the middle east. now the strikes following 19 attacks on u.s. bases in iraq and syria, that's injured at least 21 u.s. personnel.

>> just hours ago, president biden ordering two f-16 fighter jets, strike weapons and ammunitions, facilities associated with iran's revolutionary guard in syria. let's go live to fox news correspondent lucas tomlinson, who is live for us in tel aviv. hey, lucas. well, griff, the red line for, the united states for many years has been the death to any americans. that's exactly what happened just a few days ago when american contractor was killed following one of those drone strikes inside iraq. and in the early morning hours, president biden authorizing a retaliatory strike, elderly terror strike in self-defense is what the pentagon is calling it, launching a pair of u.s. air force f-16s, those viper striking in eastern syria. an apple commercial right on the border with iraq. targets were weapons depots used by iran's proxy forces in the region. it's an escalatory strike going up. the escalatory ladder. of course, the president will have a full menu of options. and this one struck intended to send a message to iran and its proxy forces.

defense secretary lloyd austin saying in a statement, iran is trying to hide its hand in all this and we will not let them. that was the quote from the defense secretary. and there's no question by striking in the early morning hours at a weapons defo, not a barracks, that this was intended to minimize the casualty figures, but no doubt send a message iran in the process script and in the statement from secretary of defense secretary austin that he says if attacks by iran's proxies against u.s. forces continue, we will not hesitate to take further necessary measures to protect our people. it's an interesting, as you mentioned, that escalation ladder. just talk to me, if you will. very interesting point you were making in the last hour, which is why it was the f16 jets that were used as opposed to, say, tomahawk missiles or griff, the eisenhower strike group has not yet reached the mediterranean. still in the eastern atlantic. some of her escorts just left the azores a few days ago

. she's still a day or two out from the mediterranean. well, you do have u.s. warships . the red sea launching tomahawk cruise missiles would be tough because you'd have to do overflight rights. those missiles would be flying over saudi, jordan, iraq by launching these f-16s, likely from dover air base in the uae. you can have precision strikes ,but also not nearly as you know, you'd be much to do it with the fighter jets dropping on the target. eastern syria is a largely ungoverned area. >> this area be placed in the iraq's border. >> this is formerly isis controlled territory. years ago. but bashar al-assad, syria's president, really does not govern these spaces in eastern syria. in fact, the u.s. still has 900 troops in syria, some of them have come under attack in recent days. you have 2500 u.s. troops in neighboring iraq, but it's certainly telling that these strikes are carried out in syria and iraq, which many officials say really has just become another province of iran . and you probably would not have the support of iraq's prime minister carrying out those strikes against these iranian backed forces. >> griff. great insight.

lewis hamilton, live for us in tel aviv. lucas, we'll check back in with you as the news warrants, kevin. >> all right, great. let's bring in dakota wood, former lieutenant colonel of the u.s. marine corps and lead operational and logistic planner for u.s. central command during initial operation response to the september 11th attacks. great to have you with us again, my friend. i just want to get your reaction to what president biden had to say. he said the happened to make clear that the u.s. will not tolerate such attacks and will defend itself, its personnel and its interests. that according to the defense secretary austin. your reaction to that statement. >> well, it's as normal. it's too little too late. i mean, how many times of american force been attacked, not just in the past several days or weeks, but over the last couple of years while joe biden has been president. so, you know, your own reports are talking about the number of people, the number attacks that the u.s. has suffered in response.

now we send two aircraft to hit a couple of munitions storage sites. so i think what the message is to our enemies in the region is they can hit us and attack our people almost with impunity. and the only response we'll have is in the dead of night against a weapons depot as opposed to extracting casualties from, iranian or the iranian backed militias that were involved. so i think it was a weak response. the u.s. needs to do more. otherwise, again the message is you can attack america and not much happens in return. >> let me sort of drill down on that, colonel, because i had a similar reaction, because i know how hard this administration has worked to create some sort of a relationship with the regime in iran, whether it's making sure that they repatriate the money that they had or trying to create some sort, a peace circumstance that would at least tamp down some the tensions in the region. i'm wondering how much of a

difficult choice from policy perspective do you think it was for the for the white house, for the administration to make this strike? is the fact that this strike was on, as you say, a facility in the middle of the night? >> is that more a reflection of not wanting to overdo it, or am i reading too much into that? >> no, i think you're on the mark there. the administration always wants to find this fine line of doing something. oftentimes after a lot of public pressure, whether it's touting, you know, chinese balloons over the united states, some other activity and not doing too much. so with with iran, you know, give them $6 billion. but there are these protests in the white house and now isn't ransom being paid for hostages when everybody clearly knows that's what's going on, that the money won't be used to support terror groups? and everybody knows that money is fungible. and if you give them money for medicine, they can use your own money. then for weapons, terrorist groups to try to disassociate

u.s. operations and iranian strikes against american forces from what's going on in israel. but hamas is horrific attack against israel. israel's response. u.s. to israel. as if these attacks against american forces aren't its own sort of messaging against the united states. so i think is an attempt at nuance, an attempted balance, attempted proportionality. is the administration, once again to do something but not enough to actually carry the day and send a very clear, compelling message to the enemy that's been attacking us in the or 30 seconds or so that i have left? is this a pattern behavior from your perspective, colonel? >> no absolutely. i mean, you can look at other presidential administrations, the nature of the response show under donald trump. if you remember the missile strikes into syria in response

to the use of chemical munitions against some of their own citizens. so this is a very weak, tepid response by the biden administration. and i think what will happen is more attacks against u.s. forces in the region. >> i do remember those tea lambs flying over. it was a very big deal at the time. colonel wood, thank so much. we appreciate it. obviously, we'll touch base with you again later on this morning. >> but for now, thank you, my friend, griff. take care. >> thank you, kevin. turning now to, our other big story overnight, law enforcement working around the clock to hunt down the gunman suspected of killing at least 18 people in maine. we are learning that agents from an elite border tactical unit are on the ground assisting with the search. let's go to fox news correspondent mollie line live in lewiston, maine, with the latest. >> mollie. >> hi, griff. that tactical unit joining many others that are here on the ground swat units all sorts of things that have been out prowling forest near

where the car that robert cart had been believed being used to to flee the two mass shooting scenes here in lewiston was found in lisbon . so these units that joins a big, big team that have been spread out all across this area earlier today in the community hometown of robert card, boughton, there was significant amount of activity, law enforcement there been using a bullhorn essentially to try and get anyone in the residences there along meadows road to come out calling robert by name, but also asking just anyone inside to come outside. they went using flash bangs and the state police said these announcements essentially heard over that loudspeaker were standard search warrant announcements. so they didn't know for certain that he was inside, but they wanted to take all the precautions necessary to protect their law enforcement and give an individual that might have been in that building. the chance to exit card was

inside. he did not exit. and this search continues. and you mentioned that tactical unit very successful resolving some other high profile they helped track and find the pennsylvania murderer daniel cavalcante most recently and joining a lot of assets here on the ground. you know, and in the sky there are helicopters, there are drones being dogs, of course, and multiple tactical units. the coast guard now involved as well. they had a helicopter up from boothbay harbor little bit to the south here, which means that this search expanded to the waterways. we knew that was a strong possibility because there are lakes, rivers all over this rural area, this rural state of maine, a lot of forest land, a lot of woodland making for a very difficult terrain. now, 24 hours after this mass shooting claimed 18 lives and left many others fighting for their lives. tonight, grief in molly. >> many wondering what was the motive. we obviously don't know. investigators haven't tipped their hand to what they think it may be, but the investigators seem to have

learned a little bit about his mental health history. what can you tell us? >> yeah, that's one of the big concerns. he's an army reservist and with a significant amount, weapons training and was a trainer himself, could teach other people to use weapons. so that's an aspect they're concerned about. but when it comes to his mental health, there were some internal law enforcement documents that showed he had recently been hearing voices and had sought mental health treatment over the summer, had been in treatment for about two weeks. his had been concerned about his mental health recently as well. and that it all led to him ultimately getting at least a little bit of treatment over the summer. >> that's also an aspect in this search as well. >> whether or not that leads to or less unpredictability in what authorities may know that they're not telling us as far as his mental status. we'll find out more as this goes on. but that is a concern. well, as just his proficiency, proficiency proficiency

in weapons is another thing that they're worried about, particularly in these dark overnight hours, daylight to come and hopefully will give them another chance at finding this suspect griff. >> great information in the manhunt continues. >> molly lyon live for us on the ground in lewiston, maine. >> molly, thank you. kevin, thank you so much. land to cover there. we're talking about from boden all the way down to lewiston and points in between. we want to welcome retired nypd lieutenant joe cardinal. joe, i just want to ask you about perimeter. obviously, you have multiple crime. you have his home. you have as mentioned, even a waterway now with the coast. he's getting involved. how do you sort of set up a perimeter here to begin to continue to tighten the net ? well, as mollie mentioned, it's very tough. look at daniel. the same unit dealt with him on a much smaller scale and that's somebody who was not familiar with the area. now you have an individual

who's very familiar with the area, you know, and those knows it better than anybody else. and he has traveled that waterway quite frequently. now, you don't know whether he's hunkered down inside, you know, or a spot that nobody knows about made his own little home over there, away from home. has supplies, anything down there? so they're trying to, you know, decipher everything the family members that are speaking to them. now, you have to get an understanding of what you know, what this is all about. as far as we know, his mental status was, wasn't there? all right. but what about him to people? what about him associating with people? is it that much of a loner. does he speak to his family and tell them things that you know? i'm going to go here. i'm going to go there. does he have somebody he fish with or hunted with? maybe that person or those persons can point them in the right direction. until then, they have to keep going systematically through the properties and gathering all the information, through computers, through his phone, and find out anything that they can through those means, and then just take it from

there. you just have to hope that he's not out of that area, that they suspect them to be in. >> i know from your perspective ,lieutenant, this is the kind of circumstance that you would just to just be on the job. you want to hunt this guy for as long as it takes. >> and yet fatigue is a real thing. you have to get shift changes in there. you have to make sure that the briefings are happening so everybody is on the same page at the same time. i'm just curious, how do you coordinate in a circumstance like this when you have state, local and federal, and now military groups and assets all working together? >> what they have is a command center and everybody goes through that command center. every commander that's there commanding his his or her troops over there is well aware of who's on how long they've been on for and then getting giving them the rest that they need between. but i'll tell you right now, so many times we ran on pure adrenaline that you just kept

going and you just wanted to get to the to the source of everything and get this person in custody. so they're well aware of, you know, what their the manpower is and, what the capabilities are, the manpower. and they're also well aware of which direction they may have to go. you know, kevin, this is such an unknown right now, because he's got the advantage in many ways. we have the advantage by having the manpower necessary to go out there and the means to go out there with the drones and today, technology is a lot more advanced than when i was on the job. and they've they've taken it to levels that, you know, people don't realize, you know, that they can do things with machines that saves the manpower on the ground sometimes. so i know people do not to hear this, but you do have to give it some time to work. i mean, it was two weeks with daniel cavalcante and i remember covering that with with the network, and it was very tiresome for them, but they were dogged on it. they went out there and they stayed on it. and the same team that's there

now was there. >> so they're familiar with what they have to do to get the job done. last question i have for you, joe, in this segment, and it's this, how important would it be to get him in ally with this man, maybe suicidal? >> he may be fatalistic, but to have him in, to bring him in? i would imagine that would be hugely important. talk about that. >> it is important. it's important the families to give a rhyme or reason as to why he committed this heinous act. i mean, think about it. everybody's seen it. and the big question is why? why did he do this? and he's the only one that can really answer it unless he has a manifest someplace that spells out everything. and the reason for it, we know some of his grumblings. we know exactly what that was all about. he has you know, he was very, you know, angry with the with the the reserves and the army and everything. so he has this anger towards them. but to lash out and take this another direction and take innocent lives like that, this

is the they want. so of course you want them alive, but you also do not want to have any other lives spent at his expense. all right. so they're going to take every precaution. and that means taking him out. they will take him out. >> you have you have to neutralize him. you have to do what you have to do to protect the community. joe cardinal, a retired lieutenant from the nypd, my friend, thank you so much. we'll talk to you again real soon. meantime, a lot of breaking news at this hour of fox news confirming that israeli forces executed a brief incursion into gaza for a second night in a row. and u.s. fighter jets striking several targets in syria as they retaliate against. a spike in attacks on american troops in the middle east. more on these developing stories alongside grim jenkins. i'm kevin corke. stay with us. >> this feels like something you do not to be alone. it has legs. going to be a long night don't be scared. no problems. >> it looks like he may have a visitor on watch.

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deterrence strike? >> not much. this is basically a toe tap. all of this just didn't magically happen. i am also a russian speaker and october 8th. and what i see is would be a russian tv show, ali baraka, one of the leaders of hamas, said that they've been planning this for two years now, and part of the planning is anticipating the response by israel and by the west. so these attacks on americans servicemen were calibrated to trigger an american response, probably to shore up domestic public opinion in iran to get rid of hezbollah and all of these different groups in line and to further entangled the united states and the united states inside this conflict, which only serves iran's interests. so there's been a lot more planning in this, and they've got a big head start in defense secretary austin's statement put out. he says the u.s. does not seek conflict this is only to defend the u.s. troops in syria,

in iraq that were threatened and targeted and attacked. but you are saying essentially sort of what officials are also saying, which is that iran's fingerprints are all over. >> where does this go? well, it's not just. this is what's not really talked about is the confluence of interests, america's adversaries, including. believe it or not, north china and russia. everyone is involved and has an interest in seeing the united states bogged down in a conflict which slows down the peace process between saudi arabia and israel, bogs down the united states militarily, gives china some options. in the far east, for example, you know, when donald trump left office, iran was exporting 500,000 barrels of oil a day. now, 3 million that changed two and a half million difference, mostly discounted oil going to china. meanwhile, china is trying to grow their influence, the middle east establishing bases, even having joint military drills with saudi

arabia. so this is all been planned out. and whether it's i don't know the degree of coordination between all the parties, but they're at a minimum are watching with each other, is doing and trying to piggyback off each other. you know, john, you really piqued my interest here. and i was just at our state department sort of daily schedule. and secretary blinken is meeting with china's foreign minister of sorts tomorrow here in washington. so do you surmise that this come up, that the strikes on, these targets and, of course, the the wider conflict playing out in gaza? >> yeah, it'll come up. the administration is, you know, almost obsessively focused on having the appearance of calming things down with china. so they can pursue their other agenda. climate change and to try to polish the polish the apple. so it would it appear to the american people that things

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with precision munitions from a pair of f-16 jets. defense secretary lloyd austin says the, quote, narrowly tailored strikes were in response to surging attacks on u.s. forces in the region. >> let's bring back fox news correspondent lucas tomlinson, who's on the ground in tel aviv. lucas, what can you tell us? well, griff, the pressure been mounting both in washington, here in israel, after the u.s. troops were attacked 19 times in the past ten days, and on the orders, president biden, the u.s. military carrying out those airstrikes. as you mentioned, a pair of vipers likely flying from al dhafra air base. the united arab emirates, carrying out those strikes, targeting iranian backed forces in eastern syria, and the small town of abu kamala, which is not far from the border with iraq. certainly the timing of this strike notable because they hit sites. not likely. man, this is not a barracks. this was infrastructure, but certainly the first stage on the escalation ladder. and senior pentagon officials giving a briefing to reporters

last night said they could even strike again, that this might not be limited to just one strike. >> griffin. look at this. i don't want to put you on the spot here, but, you know, we're hearing a lot about the escalation and ladder and, of course, that this was pentagon saying this was a precision strike. we saw it from a pair of f-16s on these specific targets. what might if iran does not get the message and it goes to the next of the escalation ladder. >> what does that look like? more of the same precision or does that include something different? >> there's no question the pentagon as a whole menu, if you will, a whole list of options to just turn up the volume and ratchet up the pressure. you could start targeting those proxy forces, start killing people, start killing these fighters. griffin there's no question you've got drones in the air satellite satellites in space that are watching these proxy forces. in fact, what the pentagon said with this strike was some of the weapons stored in these facilities in eastern

syria were used to attack u.s. forces. again, 19 times over the past ten days. the pressure is mounting. we heard it in the white house briefing room from our own jackie heinrich about when will the president respond. secretary of state blinken said the u.s. will be acting and decisively to defend itself, and that's what the pentagon is calling these strikes tonight. self-defense, narrowly tailored strikes, but certainly these iran's proxy forces are scattered throughout the middle east in syria, in iraq. you know, the united states still has 900 troops in syria, has 2500 in iraq. and for a long time, you know, for the white house, for the u.s. government, long time u.s. policy is, if any americans are killed, the united states is going to strike back. and remember that contractor died of a heart attack during one of those attacks in iraq. and that's one of the reasons that was one of the calculus was, listen, the statement from the defense secretary that the u.s. would strike back and mentioned that contractors death. but we'll see if tehran gets the message we'll just. tomlinson live for us in tel aviv. lucas, we'll check back in with you as the news warrants.

>> kevin thank you. griffith law enforcement widening the frantic search for robert carr, the suspect on night's deadly mass shooting that rocked lewiston, maine. we want to go back to our foxnews correspondent there, molly lyons. >> she has the very latest on the manhunt. molly, i know that you joined us overnight last night. you've been there pretty much on the clock nonstop. and yet i know that it's a slow process. it's a slow walk, but they're still working. they're still churning. >> tell me what you can about where we are right now. >> yeah, pretty frustrating situation this. suspect robert card remains at large now more than 24 hours after this mass shooting at two different locations unfolded here in the city of lewiston. his found in a nearby community called lisbon, and then his his hometown, really a massive amount of activity there this evening as searches went on at a family property, family compound property, multiple

structures. there were flash bangs and, authorities calling for anyone inside to come out, calling his name specifically that never came to anything. he never materialized, came out of those buildings. there were search warrants conducted. they went, they looked. we don't know what sort of evidence they may have collected. but they definitely did not collect the suspect that they are looking for. so that hunt goes on. enormous amounts of assets poured into area here. we've seen a lot of choppers. drones are in use here. of course the k-9 dogs and multiple tactical units as well. kevin, molly, we've had a chance to talk about the law enforcement angle. we've spent some time talking about the legal angle. i'm wondering about the the human angle, if you will. tell me what you can about what you've seen. what's the vibe? i know the community must be in absolute shock. you know, this is a small city, less around 35,000 people. and the other nearby communities that are impacted

as well are small communities. lisbon, where the car was less than 10,000 people. so there are a lot of people that are finding out who these victims are now finding out that they've lost their friends ,their loved ones, and a lot of these people know each other as well. >> you know, their friends that would meet up to go bowling. so there are multiple friend groups and family groups that are impacted by this. there was a reunification center set up in the immediate aftermath of the shooting ongoing. and the mayor there talking about some of the incredible shock and distress that he was witnessing as people were coming in with their children, with teenagers looking for their loved ones so that the kids or the teenagers may not have been there at the site of the shooting, but they were looking for an important loved one. and we are getting word now and these days as family notifications are still being conducted, but we're beginning to learn that some of these people that lost their lives, you know, were fathers and sisters and a lot of young men. so there's a lot of pain

in this community right now. and people are just going to begin to start seeing the faces in the next 24, 48 hours or so. >> kevin and i think that is an under told story. i know that you've done just such a great job for us. i do feel awful. not just for the families, but also, as you mentioned, the first responders. yes, they have to sort of put on their hat of work. but remember, their neighbors. these are people from their communities as well. and it is a difficult situation all around. molly lyon, thank you so much. and of course, we'll touch base with you again, griff, given them all. >> thank you. let's turn now to fox news contributor ted williams, former d.c. police detective and defense attorney and someone i have spent a lot of time with in my career on these manhunts with you. we were talking in a previous hour, ted, kevin was mentioning you were talking with him about, you know, dannemora, the prison break in upstate new york. but as we look at what's happening in maine and molly's

reporting there, it seems that there's all these signs, ted, that this was planned, that card had planned this. >> but we really don't have a motive. now, i want to play for you quick, ted, a sound bite from nicole parker, former fbi special agent, weighing in on what she suspects may be the motive of the shooter. >> listen. there's always a precipitating stressor or factor that leads an individual to do something like this. the pathway to violence. they're always going to be looking at the grievance. what was the grievance? was there his girlfriend that he ex-girlfriend, that he was trying to find the grievance, the motivation the ideation, it all is going to be contributed. and this investigation, the motive is also going to be important to look at, because that's going to help law enforcement determine, where his next steps may be and where he's hiding out. >> ted, what do you make about the possibility of a motive? >> you know, that's the $64,000 question. riff raff, i think what we have to do and you and i have done it on many occasions.

we to think outside the box and we have to try to wonder. is this a spree killer? meaning robert court or in or is he really a mass killer? maybe, just maybe, when we think outside the box that he's using this mental illness as a camouflage for being a spree killer. and i'll tell you why i say that, griff. we know that he shot up two places. now, what happens with a mass shooter is they normally go to one location, shoot it up. they either kill us or escape from that one place. but this man here went to two different locations after he went to these two locations. he went down the highway toward his home in boulder, but he stopped in lisbon, dropped off the court air. it is my understanding that he

may very well have left a cell phone there. so when you look at all of those things, it may be very well that we are dealing with a spree killer and probable audience to know spree killer is a person who kill on multiple occasions. just step back, take some time, and then try to kill again. and i'm sure that law enforcement is looking at that. >> griff that's a great point. ted. and, you know, when you think about the possibility of him being a spree killer, you have to also look at what makes this case and this manhunt unique in that this is an individual with weapons knowledge and familiarity as an instructor. he knows the area which is remote. so he has an advantage there. and he clearly has gotten however far his plan that he thought without without really

any close calls. i mean, we saw the search on the house and it turned up sort of nothing. so how much of a threat. >> do you think he is on the loose right now. >> or he is a tremendous to our society. he's armed. he's dangerous. and if he's still alive, he's very smart and cunning. and again, he may very well have used all this or this mental. he'll illness thing that we've all ran down that rabbit hole as a reason perhaps for this. and it may not be that mentally ill. he may just be what i define as a cold blooded killer. and he may very well be willing to kill again. but playing a dangerous game with law enforcement here. our cat and mouse game. he's left his car. he's left possibly his cell phone. he's along the waterway or

he may very well. and law enforcement has to be very consciously aware that this may and may very well again. >> ted, there's no doubt that that cell phone could hold key pieces of information and but nobody does this better than you. and i've gotten a chance spend so much time with you on these cases. and i know when we've been on the ground. >> you have specific things. you are looking for. you think law enforcement may be looking for in their hunt? >> what do you suspect in addition to like the cell phone? did law enforcement may be trying to get their on right now to piece this together? >> the one thing they may be doing, griff, is not only talking to family members, but his associates and his friends trying to find out who he's closest to, who he has established a rapport with, because griff, if he is alive, he is going to rear head,

and that's when law enforcement hopefully will be able to catch him. but they've got to be patient. this man is a survivor. he's been out there. he knows the wilderness. he knows the land. and he knows this a lot better than law enforcement. but one of the things, griff, that is happening and you have dealt with this primarily on the borders. that group that's coming in vortex. they are trained. we know what they did. rip cavalcante in pennsylvania recently, and we know what they've done in the past that you thought articulated some of those things. so we really have a group of professors regionals coming in who know what they're doing and may very well may be able to help to capture this guy. >> that's a great point, ted. and you know, when times i've been on the border, i've spent time with border tech guys and in the way they caught cavalcante the significant thing last month, pennsylvania,

was that the weather have gotten bad. they were closing on cavalcante in, of course, the usual assets of drones and whatnot could not withstand the weather but the vortex agents who's been spend their entire professional careers lying in is what they call it. they can sit for hours and hours and hours very still in dirt, in heavy, thick brush in a storm. and that's how they brought them in. but -- but let me ask you this. do you think we've seen this in other cases, ted? do you think that in this case card got a little bit of a head start? because in these cases there is a period of time, sometimes 24 to 48 hours that elapse before the resources of the fbi and the resources of the border patrol's elite board tech unit come in. that gives him times the suspect time to run. do you feel like perhaps he's got a head start and now they're playing catch up? >> you're bringing up a very

excellent card. we remember in griff. you remember up panama, new new york, when we went ahead. matt and matt or matt or sweat took escape. they went through underground, got to get out of there, and they had a head start. i believe here that he tried and he may very well have been successful, meaning caught if he's still alive. he gave himself a head start by dropping that cause in our list in there. and he may very well be headed in the canadian toward the canadian border. and if you remember, that's what matt and sweat did in dannemora, new york, once they were given a head and attempted to escape, they headed straight toward that. one of them just about made it to the border and he was shot by a state trooper and he's now back in jail.

but we must break out of the box. we've got to stop thinking about, hey, this poor guy had a million this and he had a mental breakdown and he did this and that. that could be a camouflage right here. spree activity by thinking outside of the box may bring him custody. the manhunt continues. ted williams, thanks for being up early for us. >> great insight, as always. kevin bright. thank you, chris. u.s. warplanes have carried out an airstrike in syria. a pair of f-16 striking targets in the country just hours ago in retaliation for attacks on u.s. in that region that actually injured 21 americans, u.s. service personnel as well. a senior u.s. defense official says israel was not informed of the carrying out of those airstrikes against the irgc. >> joining us again is former military intelligence officer and overseer at stanford's hoover institute, john jordan. >> john, i loved

your conversation with griff earlier. i want to sort of dive back into it. i want to first begin by asking you to react to what iran is saying about the support for israel. and i'm quoting now, if the u.s. if israel's retaliation against the palestinians in the gaza strip doesn't end, then the u.s. will quote, not be spared from this fire. your reaction to that. >> well, the hidden threat here is, hezbollah possibly inside the united states. i think that's the subtext here . but here's the big issue, kevin, is this has been set in motion for over two years. ali booker said this to russian television. i watched it in russian where he basically said, we've been planning this since the u.s. fled from afghanistan. so what the iranians have set up and they've very carefully is a set of moves which placed the united states in bad choices. we're in where we have to either de-escalate in first humiliation or risk a wider war

. and they're managing this very carefully. and what they want to do is drive the from the middle east. and the chinese wish to help the chinese wish to grow their presence there and secure their energy supplies in which they're completely from the persian gulf. and there's a lot of layers to this. you have north korea supplying arms to russia. so it is a is a combination of the unpalatable that are conspiring set and to stretch the united states resources and force us into and political and most importantly, diplomatic retreats. the effect of which is to grow their influence and force some people, even in the pacific, to be more committed to beijing and to iran and this is their long term goal, and they've been working on it for two years. >> and so we need to play some catch up. we absolutely do need to play some catch up. i'm glad you mentioned that because i pointed out earlier tonight we're talking about ukraine and russia. we're talking about china, taiwan. they would end north korea even, which often doesn't come up in conversation. there are a number of actors around the globe that would

love to see the u.s. involved in the sort of protracted entanglement in the. i also want to get your take on something that i heard someone mention, and i thought it was interesting as well. it was sort of described this way with the u.s. doing, what it can to sort of try to thread this needle. it does run the risk of mission escalation. >> because i think a lot of people in the region won't be as nuanced in talking about, well, this was a targeted strike. they will simply see us, israel, it's us against them. am i wrong? >> no, you're absolutely right that public opinion in the middle east is what iran is playing to is certainly not going to get that nuanced about it. this is going to be the same old conflict of islam versus israel all over again. what the administration should do and what they won't do because they politically can't is really isn't and go back after iran in terms of sanctions is reimposed that trump era sanctions

on iran that basically broke the wall unit of currency took 85% of its value, knocked their foreign exchange reserves back to $4 billion, and was causing economic unrest in iran . the biden administration let them off the map by trying to resuscitate the the iran nuclear deal and doing everything the opposite of what the trump of the previous administration did. but they need to go back so that if they do that, they're not risking military escalation at all. and have the advantage, but they can't. >> former military intelligence officer john jordan, always a pleasure, my friend. i really appreciate your insight. looking forward to continuing our conversation. meantime, we'll be back. more coverage of the two major stories happening tonight. u.s. airstrikes in the middle east and the hunt in maine for mr. card attention. medicare has expanded dexcom coverage for people with diabetes. if you have diabetes, getting an dexcom g7, the single most important thing you can do. it eliminates painful fingerstick. helps lower agency and it's covered by medicare before using the dexcom g7.

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