we had helicopters in the area over that vehicle after i arrived, and i was the second officer on scene. someone brought up a question about k-9s. one thing is we don't want to -- [inaudible] i'm not going to get into all of the details, but there was a lot of teams searching the area. on top of -- i'll add one thing on top of it being an industrial park, obviously, there's one business that we're interested in and our tactical teams declared that building, maine recycling. >> as he pointed out on the overnight we cleared the building again with several agencies, but i'll point out this. why this is all going on, we understand everything we do is a methodical approach and make s

sure, the com center and the tip line in there. there's astronomical amount of resources being used across our community. not everybody is in marked police cars or in full uniform, but there was a lot of resources from across new england that was here, including helicopters, moments after i arrived on scene and we used every resource that was available and every gentleman asked me how long are you going to search for, do you expect to find him. every officer wasn't going home until we found the individual. (inau (inaudible) >> by friday, when? >> maine recycling was cleared, it was cleared on thursday and then we -- my officers, trying to think, had like three hours

sleep over the course of a few days, but it was about, it was in the middle of the night. i would say it's 2:30, 3:00 in the morning my officer found it and then we activated everybody to go to that area and got other resources. i was in constant contact with state police tactical team throughout this and constant contact with lieutenant keaton from the state police, an outstanding job, from the maine state police, outstanding job. my hat is off to the state police because direct communication to me my cell phone was great. and everybody standing from behind the level, federal, homeland security, a.t.f. there was boots on the ground assisting our agency. we had a common goal to find him, it took two days, but we found him and everybody could sleep good last night. >> and on thursday, to after midnight on friday?

>> i can't remember. it would have been-- yeah, i could narrow down the timeline, i don't want to give you the wrong timeline. it was in the middle of the night when they found them. yeah, that would be about right. >> and business owner called you? >> the business owner called our agency and we ended up speaking to him and i followed up with him and i have spoken to him, yes, correct. he did reach out to us with that information correct. >> what time was that. >> the search the trailer-- >> he's got an overflow lot of crush plastic and metals, it's not empty trailer. i'm not going to get into more details on that. realistically right now we should be thinking about the victims, you know, that we also should be, you know, the suspect's family as well. were very forth coming to law enforcement.

we have our national news and media partners here and this tragic event that happened, hats off to chief st. pierre and his agency, but right now, we want maine to be remembered as the community that came together after this tragic event. i was on my way in this morning to this press conference and driving through lisbon and i see people walking the streets, people sitting on their porches and people waving, thumbs up. that's what community is all about, so, i'd say, i'm not going to say too much more at this point, but put it back over to him, but moving forward just thinking about the victims, thanks. >> tell us if there are any individual plans over the next couple of days and also, students be going back to school starting on monday, additional resources there and is there going to be heightened security presence? >> one at a time. >> all right, so, first, to answer your questions about

vill vigils,one there's a candlelight vigil in lisbon to the victims remembered tragically killed in lewiston. >> i'm in communication with the superintendent of schools and don't have an answer yet and what was the other question. >> the other question, is there going to be security presence? >> yes, we have multiple extra officers on, yes. >> (inaudible) how are you all doing and what resources are going to be made available, if any, for the people who were working on this case for days on end? >> i can tell you that personally, i can speak only for myself, but maine, as well as every crisis department has

been reached out and lisbon police department was heavily involved as soon as it happened to assist lewiston on the scene and i want assistance, and nobody in my department wanted to go home until we found that individual and pretty much had to force them to go home and take a nap. >> chief, could you describe when the officers opened the door of that trailer and how did they make the positive identification? . i wouldn't be able to comment on that and weren't involved in the trailer. >> i appreciate that, the maine state police tactical teams are the ones that located this individual and again, because of the appearance, the facial hair, the clothing, the circumstances, they were communicating back to major crimes, who was communicating with the attorney general's office and medical examiner's office and what are we comfortable with in order to i.d. this individual positively

and say-- so we could say that this individual was found and he passed away. that part of the identification process is pretty standard and that's the process that we followed here. as soon as we knew that, the very first call that we made was to chief st. pierre to notify time and the next level could occur. one more question, from you. >> i understand there was no forceable-- can you tell us anything you know about what he may have. >> so the question, is stating there's no forceable commitments. did we know of anything on the voluntary side? i know we're seeking records and trying to determine if in fact that happened, what did it look like. there are reports out there that it did involve the military, his military unit. we don't have ready access to that documentation. so, we're following up on that like we would with everything else, but i really, really do

appreciate everybody's time, your patience, your professionalism. thank you for taking care of our community. take care. >> thank you. neil: all right. a lot we learned, a lot we didn't learn right now. we do know this and that's the big takeaway from this roughly one hour long press conference, robert card his body was found near a river about 10 miles in maine from lewiston where the shootings occurred. you might have the inned and this is typical in these type incident where you see a sign language interpreter and translator repeating what the commissioner is saying, in this case it's especially germane since four of the victims were from maine's close knit deaf community many of whom knew mr. card personally. we don't know the overall connection to him, but four from that deaf community were among the 18 victims. we're told that card was found in a trailer with two weapons on him and one long gun found

in his car, which wasn't far from the site. it the long gun, they suspect might have been the weapon used in these attacks. no indication as to when he might have shot himself. that appears to be what happened. at that point almost 48 hours when they found his body late last night so it could have been anytime within that period. we should also say that a note was left behind, whether you want to call it a classic suicide note is in the eyes of the beholder, this to his son identifies things like a password to his cell phone so the son could open it up and find out what's in there, as well as bank accounts numbers, that sort of thing. maybe not your classic suicide note in that sense. we're told as well that there was no clear motive, at least at this point, no sign had given some of his anguish and some of the problems, he was hearing voices. you heard a great deal about

that, that he was not forcibly committed to a treatment center. there's no note, no indication, no correspondence thus far that could indicate that that was pushed to the point of saying, all right, you've got to get some mental health here. and most of the time this is done on a voluntary basis and it could have been that case with robert card. we simply don't know. bill daley joining us again. thanks for your patience. what did you make from this? >> as you mentioned there are a lot of unanswered questions, what created this kind of nexus for him to carry out these sort of crimes. you hear bits and pieces of him losing his job and a personal life perhaps in disarray and those converge in addition to his earlier mental health issues that were-- came about this past summer to his reserve unit. you know, what i also-- i did learn is that he did

purchase weapons murray recently. the a.t.f. representative spoke about that. he had a number of weapons that he owned, but he did purchase several more recently, whether that was in preparation for this-- these murders or what was driving that per se. i would like to say, neil, is that i don't know if you took away as well, throughout this process i do want to say the way they presented it, the press conferences and communications i think from a crisis management perspective, they did a very good job. as forth coming as they could, as was mentioned during the course of the debriefing at times they can't because there's a potential prosecution, if the person is found alive, and make sure to maintain the integrity of the investigation and not say things that later on may, in fact, cause any type of unravelling of the prosecution. so, i think kudos to them for that, certainly all of these law enforcement agencies working together coming together, interstate, intra and

interstate, you know, mutual aid resources. quite impressive and i think as a country we need to be proud of all of those working in addition to the federal resources they got. yeah, neil, a tragedy. and over a period of time information will trickle out, whether unfortunately, get lost from the headlines, but more learned what was going on that may have precipitated this and as we started off at the beginning of the program talking about those things that maybe we want to consider to try to get ahead of these. you're never going to get ahead of all of them, but were there things, trip wires that perhaps weren't actually acted upon or didn't actually trip. neil: and nor do we know, bill, how and why he targeted the people he did and whether they were all targets. there were reports, and again, this did not come up in the commissioner's presser here, that at least one or two individuals were shot multiple times, and normally that that indicates, you know, an intent

to kill that person. not all the time, but, what do you think? >> there are some reports, again, these are reports and don't know how confirmed they are, particularly in the bowling alleys that people tried to, tried to intercede and tried to stop him and they may have been shot, and we don't know whether the location health that importance to him, did he expect someone to be there or did it have relevance to him and what he thought was the reason why he was in the particular state he found himself in psychologically, mentally, and was he just acting out against the location or the people there? and the same thing with the bar, the restaurant. you know, what did that hold personally for him? was it a place where he had met, you know, a girlfriend in the past or they had broken up. or was there other people there he thought were probably maybe behind him losing his job. you don't know. there are so many factors here

they're not going to be written down or not going to be things that are kind of stated out in front. it going to have to be discerned from perhaps some of the people who knew him and be able to kind of piece this jigsaw puzzle together. >> part of that jigsaw puzzle, it appears he appears to have no social media of any record, any depth, i'm referring to robert card, the suspect behind these killings. and what we've seen in the couple last mass shootings, there is no social media indication and he has kept to himself or to herself. not across the board, but that makes things trickier when it comes to a motive? doesn't it? >> and we tend to rely on that

and social media is the backbone the way that people present themselves to the outside world. so many people, whether because of their backgrounds, whether the type of work they do, they've found themselves in a need to actually participate in those, never mind a generational element and people get much older aren't as active as much younger people. i don't know if that's really an indication that would suggest that people who, you know, were planning this or didn't want to have a social media presence, i think it's a matter of either the demographic issues of kind of age or their position in society, whether or not that really plays into what they-- who they are and how they want to be seen. so, i think it's an interesting point, but i don't think in in point, in this particular case, it actually is relevant to whether or not he was-- whether he was planning any of these murders ahead of time. >> bill daly, thank you very much for sticking around for

that press conference and appreciate your expertise and don't relish the circumstances we invariably meet. bill, thank you again. right now very important person to talk to on this and knows the state of maine because he ran the state of maine, former governor paul lepage. these are rare events and my condolences to you and the mainers, this is unusual. with 18 killed here, close to all who were killed in shootings in all of maine last year. what do you make of it all? >> it's a terrible, terrible situation. i was in lewiston all yesterday and actually i was at a wake, and some of the families of the victims were coming in to make arrangements to bury their loved ones, so it was a real sad day. it's-- you can't explain it.

it's really, really sad that this gentleman, whom -- you know, there's a mental health element to this and maine has a yellow flag law and so i think i would recommend that a complete investigation go on because he was, as i understand it, was in a hospital, a military hospital in new york. he got released to come back to maine. i don't know if it was voluntary or involuntary. i think that needs to be identified. i think that's very, very critical. you know, if the law is in place and there's mental health issues, we have to deal with that, this country. it's very, very critical issue that we face and most of these mass murders involve mental illness. so it's an issue that we seem to ignore and we've been ignoring it now for like 20

years, 25 years and i think it's time that we take a hard, hard look at mental illness. neil: you know, governor, you were mentioning these yellow flag laws and different people have different interpretations of the laws. in the case of robert card if he was getting psychological help and they were screening him for potential problems, one report has the potential for violence. a yellow flag would allow authorities to take his guns or maybe you can explain what happens or what the maine law is on that. >> yeah, the maine law, what it does, is if a person is in-- being held by police officers or in this case, the dod who represented that he go to the military hospital, it's my understanding he threatened some violence against some people in his unit, back in the summer, i believe, and if

that's the case, it's very important to know whether or not he went voluntarily or involuntary or and that's where the rub is. i think we need to investigate whether they-- he involuntarily went or he voluntarily went. i think that's critical to the maine law. if it's involuntary, then there's a process and the medical practitioner and the dod, the person who forced the involuntary has to notify the state of maine, at which time, they have a hearing and they take his firearms away. that never happened. so i don't know for sure, and i think it needs to be investigated whether it was voluntary or involuntary. neil: you know, a lot of people, particularly in your state, it's a beautiful state. i've been to maine many, many times. and people will think twice,

well, if can happen here and a community never experienced anything like this does, and there are many more communities that are, invariably the question comes up, is it toughening up our gun laws, is it a matter of toughening up who gets guns? and i suspect sadly this will not be the last incident? . before we have a discussion about gun laws and take, you know, firearms away from law abiding citizens and making criminals out of them. because they bought when they were legal and gun control they make you a criminal. before we do that, we need to evaluate a lot of these mass murders and see what, what correlation it has to mental illness and i believe that the whole discussion with gun

control has to involve mental illness. and if we don't, we're not doing a service to the american pe people. neil: so in other words, control who gets the guns, not necessarily american's second amendment right to have guns. that has been tried and there are books right now, laws on the books to enforce that, but it doesn't seem -- i don't know how it goes in maine, sir, so my apologies -- that that is consistently enforced or even is? >> well, this is the whole point. mental health is in an absolute state of chaos in this entire country. when i was governor-- i'll give you a quick story. when i was governor a gentleman -- if you have domestic violence on a friday, you're incarcerated until monday because you have to go in front of a judge. so, this gentleman on the weekend, once he sobered up called his significant other

and said if you go to court on monday, i'll kill you. of course, it was taped. and he made bail. he never should have made bail. but he did make bail and that's an unfortunate situation. now, i, when i heard the old issue of domestic violence, i called the chief justice and we took care of that problem and it can't happen again. but these are the type of things that have to be dealt with and we always run to the gun and we're going to take guns away from law abiding americans who need them in times to defend themselves against these perpetrators. we just need to do the right thing and deal-- got to be part of the whole-- >> governor lepage. i'm sorry for the delay. thank you, former governor

paul lepage. to button up the story, they're planning a candlelight vigil in maine. sadly, this, too, plays out in community after community, victims of this type of violence. the message from the commissioner is that it's good to go out again, good to be out on the street again, good to live your life again and for hunting to resume in maine now that this killer is dead. we'll keep you posted on that. meanwhile, focusing on developments in the rest of the world concerning israel and the ongoing war in the gaza strip right now, we don't have an actual ground invasion happening yet, but certainly ground attacks and surgical ground attacks going on there. that's already elicited global protest and rallies pretty much among the major capitals in the planet and one going on, i believe this is in rome. we also had one earlier today in paris. we were seeing one last night in new york. there have been many in lisbon, in portugal.

and again, most of these are pro-palestinian rallies. this looks like a pro-palestinian one there, a huge one happening in turkey just wrapping up a short time ago. the turkish president erdogan had already said that he find the behavior of the israelis borderline a state of madness and that we cannot let them go through with the raid in the gaza. let's get the latest from mike tobin who has been following all of this very closely, actually in israel, in southern israel. what can you tell us, mike? >> well, neil, keep an eye on the skyline behind me, because over the last 15, 20 minutes it's been flashing with big air strikes going into the gaza strip as the defense minister said, the earth in gaza shook as the ground offensive expanded into gaza, but this does not constitute the invasion that everyone was looking for, anticipating, i should say. israeli tanks, armor, infantry, combat engineers have been on the ground in gaza really for

about a 24-hour period. israel claimed they hit some 150 underground targets and also claimed to hit a number of high value targets. they say they got someone from the hamas air force brigades, if you will. you remember there was an air component with people coming in on paragliders. they say they got someone from the hamas navy and weaken the hamas ability to resist them. the air component has been a big part of this, israeli 16-i's have been flying sorties. and we watch the plumes out of gaza as it continues. and they say they've covered the whole of gaza city with air strikes. meantime, an israeli idf spokesman, despite the fact that communications have dropped out in the gaza strip is warning people there, to evacuate south. >> the residents of gaza and gaza city, your window to act is closing. move south for your own safety.

move south. this is not a mere precaution, it is an urgent plea for the safety of the civilians in g gaza. >> the expanded incursion into the gaza strip alarmed the families of the hostages. they held a demonstration with a lot of anger and they demanded that israel's prime minister give them an audience to assure them that somehow he's going to be able to keep the hostages safe while the israeli armor goes into the gaza strip. prime minister benjamin netanyahu granted that audience and meeting with them for the last hour, but we don't have any information about what came out of that meeting. meantime, we're watching the gaza strip for the rocket fire that comes out in the last half hour, we saw some new rocket fire come out. long range rockets, if you will, because they reached all the way to the tel aviv area. we don't have any information about this late barrage of rockets whether they got through the defenses and hit

any targets, but it's about the third barrage we've seen aimed at tel aviv. the rocket fire coming out of the gaza strip in terms of the short range rockets has been relatively light today, neil. neil: thank you very much for that, mike. be safe, my friend. mike tobin reporting on that. i want to update you on a couple of developments how far this extended and accelerating, separate reports that saudi arabia said the israeli invasions of what we've seen, even the surgical strikes, could be catastrophic, especially if they continue or even expand as well, we've told you an about a little growing u.s. presence in the region. u.s.s. eisenhower aircraft carrier joinings the u.s.s. gerald r. ford and many are saying it's provocative behavior and worried about it. separately, not only happening in southern israel, to focus the attention on the gaza, but what's going on in northern israel attacks coming from

lebanon. let's get the latest on that front from greg palkot. greg. >> hi, neil. yeah, we remain up against the border of lebanon just about two miles over our shoulder. we've been hearing outgoing israel artillery fire for much of this afternoon. we can't say it's directly related to what's happening in the south, but there's also an uptick in iranian-backed hezbollah activity. shooting off rockets, one intercepted by an israeli drone, along with the rockets, hezbollah has been using anti-tank guided missiles, their own drones and even attempts at infiltration across this border, tying down, keeping busy tens of thousands of israeli troops. they are close by and so are israeli artillery and tanks and we've heard them blowing off. right now we hear a jet fighter overhead. close to 50 hezbollah fighters killed in the last two weeks and seven israeli soldiers.

and leading to evacuations on both sides of the border. as the increase on israeli ground activity in gaza continues, yes, there's more attention on the arab part to this as well. overnight numerous protest on the west bank against israel in favor of hamas. they've been skirmishing as well. and as for hezbollah, on the fence from going to a complete war with israel, they're concerned what kind of backlash from israel, the u.s., et cetera. and an official has called on hezbollah to do more and as the ground war builds, this could get hotter here as well. one final note you made some mention of it, neil. first off, u.s. state department telling american citizens in lebanon next door, to go now. don't wait until there's a crisis. go when there's at least some scheduled airline to active,

just in case. yes, as you noted another aircraft carrier group coming into the mediterranean, there will be two now just off the coast, just in case. neil: greg, as you're speaking here, we're getting comments out of the defense ministry in israel, this operation in gaza will continue until a new order and even amidst global calls to sort of cool it on the part of israel and the expected invasion. the israelis are not of that mindset and you can perfectly understand given what trance fired three weeks ago this very day, but enormous pressure on them to restrain themselves. but they are not taking that, are they? >> yeah, we're breaking up a little bit, neil. but what i can say is, yeah, the thinking for sure is this full scale ground invasion to the south. that's a must for the netanyahu government to have another full scale war up here, they say

they can do it and again, this he have they've committed tens and thousands of troops here, but frankly, the full scale war that we saw on and reported on back in 2006, which left tens of thousands of people homeless, thousands and thousands of people dead, it seems hard to imagine for jerusalem to deal with that. so they're hoping it can contain this. again, we've been here about 10 days and we've seen a lot of activity, but not yet full scale war, neil. neil: greg, thank you, my friend. i say it to all of you guys bravely doing your jobs, you know, innimbly and i've watched them doing it, and handled so many of these tragic wars. >> thank you. neil: greg palkot on that. i do want to let you know, the official u.s. position on this is to help and provide any help that israel needs. that does not necessarily mean ground troops, even though we have beefed up our presence with about 900 troops, largely in syria, to address iranian

proxy attacks on u.s. soldiers. and i want to go to general jack keane what he makes on that. and i think our position has been, coming from a u.s. military spokesman quoting here, what happens in gaza is purely an israeli decision. what do you make of that? >> well, i think that's true. i mean, obviously hamas conducted a savage brutal attack on israel. i think it has the fingerprints of iran all over it, quite frankly. it's now reported that hamas, 500 of them were at the irgc training center in iran in september and the hostage taking, i think, is a reflection of the playbook from iran, not something that hamas did in the past on any scale. the use of motorcycles, something iran taught them how to do as well as the motorized gliders that they were using, reflecting a certain amount of

imagination, but this is certainly up to the israelis what takes place in gaza, but we've got to recognize, and this is where i disagree with the administration, this is all about iran's strategic objectives, neil. they've announced these objectives since they took over iran in the 1980's, and they're very upfront about it. and that is to dominate and control the middle east and control, take control of the flow of the persian gulf oil and further state that to accomplish those objectives, and this is something they say annually, to accomplish those objectives we must do two things, drive the united states military out of the region, thus the attacks that you just referenced, and destroy the state of israel. and they have hezbollah and hamas and houthis in that

direction. what is happens in gaza is one thing, but what is happening with iran attacking u.s. facilities is quite something else. no, this is all out of their strategic objective. neil: you know, general, we're told, i don't know where things stand at this very second that internet service was cut off throughout the gaza. then there's this development concerning elon musk and i hope i'm getting this right, i don't want to misrepresent it. he has said his company would support connecting to internationally recognized aid organizations in gaza, that he feels that it's crucial that that access, internet and communication there, to allow aid to come in and some to get out, to happen. but others have interpreted that as maybe spoiling or roiling the israeli objective here to go in and attack. >> well, i think that's a

gesture that's trying to facilitate getting the aid in and also helping to get people moved out where the main effort is going to take place. and i think, frankly, you know, why hasn't these attacks occurred, why haven't we seen the main effort? i think that the israelis, one, making certain that aid is getting in there and two, i think they're very concerned about the civilian population in the area of the main effort moving to the south. i mean, it's really frustrating the fact that egypt hasn't opened the flood gates and let the people out of gaza. i mean, it's outrageous behavior on the part of the egyptians. he has two concerns, his economy is in the tank and he doesn't want to finance it, two, he's worried about hamas penetrating into the sinai because he already has isis there. but, listen, with modern security methods, biometrics and the rest of it, his own security people, if he needed help with that, other nations

could do it. you could solve the problems in the refugee camps and secondly the arabs can finance it and should be financing it, get these people out of gaza and i hope the united states is pushing hard to do that, it's outrageous it hasn't happened by now. if musk wants to help with some kind of internet connection to assist them, that's probably okay. the israelis know what they're doing to conduct the main effort and shaping operations now, setting the conditions for it, that's what you've been seeing here all against actionable tension. in other words, they have a specific target, they're going after it with a bomb or after it with a raid of ground forces. but anything that i think that will help the people get out of the way of this ground force and air bombing that's taking place is something that someone is interested in. >> there are reports that hamas is not making it easy for them

to get out of harm's way. that's a separate story. speaking of hamas, we've been seeing the protests going on as we speak, general, in istanbul and london and new york city last night at grand central station, in support of palestinians, some bold enough to say that these are hamas rallies in support of hamas. that's happening everywhere. turkey, it doesn't shock me. but tens of thousands who gather there. what do you make of it? >> yeah, well, i mean, i understand the emotions involved here, certainly, and the suffering of the palestinians taken place a lot of years. there's a lot of ignorance to determine why that is, when you think of it, neil, why are the arab nations willing to normalize with israel despite that's going on. they're doing it, set up embassies in israel and have these kinds of relationships

despite what's happening with the palestinians. one, because they don't agree with hamas. hamas will not recognize israel and wants to destroy it. there's not an arab nation there that agrees with that. they want to have normal relations with israel. two, the nations that are already normalized, no major concessions were made on the part of the palestinians. why is that? the arabs made the deal with the israelis because they are fed up with the palestinian leadership. i'm talking about the fatah in the west bank now. year after year after year, they have rejected one concession after another that the israelis made, but yet, they take the hundreds of millions of dollars of donor money, pocket a lot of that for themselves, do not improve the plight of those citizens in any consequential manner whatsoever and the arabs are fed up with it. they're not going to say that publicly, but that's what they say privately and that's why they're willing to make a deal

with israel despite the palestinian issue because the number one issue for them is what? it's iran. it's not the palestinians, which used to be an issue 20 years ago. it's iran. they are fed up with this kind of fraudulent leadership that the palestinians have and they just want the people to get new leadership so they can make better deals with the movement that exists in the west bank. gaza is hopeless. none of the arab nations agree that hamas' purpose to destroy the state of israel, they want relationships with the state of israel. neil: yeah, to your point, i think we talked about this earlier, their contempt for iran oftentimes exceeds that of israel toward iran. general, thank you for being on and for your service to this country. >> great talking to you. neil: this is more-- same here, general. president biden has officially notified congress of the targeted strikes that he ordered earlier this week.

he promised to take further action against further attacks on u.s. bases and troops in the region. apparently the president laid out his rationale in a letter to speaker mike johnson and vice-president kamala harris for ordering retaliatory air strikes against militia groups in iraq and syria. again, this is prefunctory and expected, but again, mr. biden is constitutionally required, and he did this under the war powers resolution and did notify them. and a crucial player on this, chairs the senate foreign relations committee, senator, that he had to do this. that he's indicated he will do this again if there are further attacks and maybe if there aren't, right now, just to respond to the ones that we've seen. what do you think of that? >> neil, first of all, it's good to be, but. neil: same.

>> when there are attacks, we're going to defend and that's what the president did. we're going to defend the role that we're there for and we'll continue to make sure that any effort to attack america or our troops are responded to. neil: do you agree with, i guess, our official government position on this, senator, that this is israel's call. if a land invasion, a ground invasion is called for, that's their call, not our call? there had been reports, as you know, sir, where we had been urging caution, restraint. we certainly heard it out of the arab world from saudi arabia to egypt to the united arab emirates, a host of others, don't go too far. turkey's president saying right now that israel is in a state of madness. where are you on this? >> neil, i was part of so senators that visited israel six days ago, five democrats, five republicans, lindsey

graham was our leader on the republican side and we made it clear to israel that we support them. we saw firsthand the devastation that was caused by hamas, just the depravity and what they did. israel has a responsibility to defend itself. we stand with israel in destroying hamas. so, we're not going to try to second guess their military operations. we have made it clear that they need to comply with the standards of war and we'd do everything we can to help the innocent palestinians that are being caught by hamas in gaza. neil: you know, i'm going back to the war powers resolution and the president making good on it, and advising congress of what he's doing, but i wanted to get your thoughts as the real expert here. how far that allows him to go? we're told that in his letter he doubled down on these warnings from the pentagon to iran that the u.s. would not, quote, hesitate to take further action to protect u.s. sources.

do you think that should extend to direct attacks on iran itself and not its sympathetic players or sycophants to iran, let's say in syria? >> one of our principle reasons for visiting the regions and what president biden has done by repositioning military assets in the conversations that he's held with leaders in the region is to prevent escalation of the conflict. it's in israel's interest and it's in the united states interest that there not be another front in regards to the current war. israel needs the time to deal with hamas and they do not need to see a second front either with hezbollah on the north or directly with iran. so, i think we are doing everything we can to avoid that type of direct confrontation, but make no mistake about it, we have to defend our interests and i think the president's made that clear. neil: you know, in the

republican house right now, they've got their speaker, there's-- they're erring on the side of helping israel. not all of them so much ukraine. are you concerned? >> very concerned. this is urgent. the supplemental support for ukraine is absolutely vital. in ukraine we're fighting russia that's trying to destroy democratic states. in the middle east we're against hamas, which is acting like the nazis did in killing jews and causing terrorist activities. both fronts are critically important for the future of civilization, for our way of life. so, yes, ukraine is essential, they're fighting the front line for our democracy. we need to get that relief done as quickly as possible. so we strongly support both efforts. we think they have to be kept together. and we've got to act quickly. neil: senator cardin, always

good seeing you, even under these circumstances. thank you, sir. >> thank you, neil. neil: the senate foreign relations committee. we're following the protests going on and huge throngs right now. we got a hint of it last night in new york city outside of grand central station. a couple hundred arrested for getting inside grand central station, but that extended the so-called pro-palestinian protests and some are labeled pro-hamas protests in istanbul, london, in lisbon, portugal, rome. throughout the world, a wave of palestinian support after this. i'd like to take a moment to address my fellow veterans, because i know so many of you have served our country honorably. one of the benefits that we as a country give you as a veteran is the eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value. if you need cash for your family, call newday usa. with automatic authority from the va, we can say yes

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>> all right. we might be waiting on the big israeli ground invasion. we're told it's imminent. that's not stopped protests

around the world and happening in almost every major country. in fact, countries, some of which you may have a problem recognizes. but you'd have no problem recognizing the palestinian flag flying above a good many of them, including outside of grand central station, a major transport area for people into and out of new york city, connecticut, new jersey, all points, west, north, east, very much disrupted last night and some were arrested there. things have calmed down and they're picking up globally, london, rome, and of course you've been seeing what's happening on turkey. jonathan serrie keeping track. >> hi, neil. they're urging people to avoid the brooklyn museum where a pro-palestinian group is calling for protests, proclaiming in a media flyer, the more they try to silence

us, louder we'll be. it's happening on the jewish sabbath near a hasidic community. it's often near or on college campuses. and in new orleans, tulane university is denouncing a protest that turned violent, and some carrying bann ners saying from the river to the sea, proclaimed by hamas. and a small rally saying in a statement we welcome a vast range of ideas, but anti-semitic ideas even as part after protest protected by our open expression policy must be called out for what it is, divisive and reprehensible, neil. neil: jonathan, thank you very much for that. if you wonder when you hear a lot of this back and forth, how the israelis are digesting all of this and feel sort of h

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>> you've seen the protests against the world lately. the condemning israel for its stepped up attacks that could be imminent now in gaza. a different type of gathering in israel itself in tel aviv. these are individuals, family members and friends of the better than 200 held hostage right now in gaza or suspected of being in gaza and way outside gaza who want to make sure that they get back and back safely. and joining us right now, a special envoy for combatting

this and a member of the kin net kinnesett. >> what do you think of this in istanbul, london, late last night against what israel is doing and for the palestinian. does that trouble you? >> i think it's trouble. those are pro hamas rallies, let us be clear. anybody that cannot denounce, condemn unequivocally the atrocities of october 7th, beheadings and murder, burnings, rape, atrocious actions that are war crime, anybody who cannot condemn those in a crazy orwellion version and justifies them or denies them, actually attacks jews in all of those societies

on the streets, on campuses, all of those countries and then holds pro-hamas rallies is akin to three weeks after 9/11 having pro al quaida rallies and pro nazi rallies in all of those countries. and like mind comes to the annihilation of the state of israel and murder of jews and what we see in those rallies are the exact calls. anybody who cares for the palestinian cause or for peace should be saying not in my name. hamas is a genocidal barbaric organization that is but one proxy of a genocidal regime in iran. neil: you know it's remarkable, too, about this, i know they're using the catalyst for the rallies, based on an israeli response that really hasn't come yet. it's been violent to put it mildly on more to come, but i was sitting in this seat three weeks ago when we got wind of

these first attacks on israelis that killed more than 1400 and i don't remember many global protests on hamas even then, before israel had a chance to respond, and thought my two hours at the time, we got details on the butchery and what was involved and learned a lot more later on. in fact, the immediate response from much of the arab community at the time was that israel actually sewed the seeds for this given their policies and treatment of palestinians. so this is a long history that was even borne out immediately after the attack three weeks ago. >> let's be clear, not only immediately after the attacks. the dehumanization and the delegitimizization and the bubble standards, the traditional anti-semitism that targets and still targets the individual jew barring him or her from an equal place in society over decades in international institutions, in university campus, on social

media spaces simply turned into the demonization and the delegitimizization towards the pro verbal jews among the state in israel, and i think october 7th has changed and the world has pulled off and enabled us to identify the current strain of an ever mutating hate that's lasted through thousands of years of anti-semitism and that strain today is anti-zionism. that's the modern mainstream strain of anti-semitism, if you will, and that's what we see in all of these demonstrations. and echoing, actually, the charter of hamas, the calls, the anigh. anilelizization. we don't want no two states, we want all of it. elimination of the state of

israel and the murder of jews as i said, the charter of hamas. the war crimes, crimes against humanity and killing is a small word to them, it's the making of genocide, burning of babies, burning of entire families in their homes, what we saw there was war crimes and crimes against humanity that not only are glossed over not only days after and fueled by the anti-semitism to refused to justify them, the false accusations for what we know what happened with an errant rocket of the palestinian islamic jihad that condemned the state of israel falsely of hitting a hospital, when it was found out that it was an errant rocket from the palestinian islamic jihad there was no concern at all for human life because that's the key for our understanding. this is a war on our shared

humanity. this is a war on civilization. and whereas israel may be on the front line and every one of our civilians and our soldiers, and including three of my own children on the front lines and israel may be the front to this war, it's a war on civilization. it's a call to action for the entire world that has to understand that the line in the quicksand that's been drawn is between our civilization as we know and genocidal terror that's completely committed to annihilating civilization as we know it. neil: scary times for sure. and you speak eloquently, updating that the u.n. chief is surprised by the escalation of israel's bombardment and calling for humanitarian cease-fire. >> there have been a