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[background sounds] neil: one month in, and israeli troops continue heading in, now encircling gaza city, home base to hamas, as the war with expands to close-up urban combat. at this are hour, a three-hour window announced by the israeli military for evacuees to flee along a main highway in the gaza strip. it was just closed. we're going to talk to a u.s. citizen who who escaped the war zone with her husband and five kids. terrifying, the say the least, but alive. also at this hour, secretary antony blinken in jordan meeting with arab leaders. they want a ceasefire while the u.s. wants a humanitarian pause. israel wants hostages freed before considering either. and are we any closer right now to ultimately seeing something, anything constructive happening? i'll ask israeli prime minister

benjamin netanyahu's top adviser and former u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo. and get ready, protest are everywhere again from iran's capital to england's capital, to a massive pro-fall stint januarh plans for you are nation's capital this afternoon. good morning, everyone, i'm neil cavuto, very good to have you. i jumped that open, i apologize. very good to have you this saturday, this business i city weekend -- busy weekend. let's go to mike tobin in southern israel with the very latest. michael. >> reporter: yeah, neil, we just had a fresh rocket launch autoof the north, i can look up at the sky and see one, two, three, four intercepts, little puffs of smoke left in the aftermath of a rocket being intercepted by the iron dome. you mentioned the humanitarian evacuation corridor that opened up. that has just closed. and what i've got from sources in the gaza strip, it wasn't

very successful. meantime, the fighting intensifies. israeli forces have encircled gaza city, they will be tightening the noose into the dense population centers. he was attacks hamas personnel, command and control structure, infrastructure. they have seized weapons like home maid anti- homemade anti-tank rounds and building roads. the fight has not been limited to the north. there has been contact below the evacuation line that is work adi, gaza. strikes have gone into the refugee camp, and here's an idf spokesman. >> we know that there are many hamas leaders and commanders that are in southern gaza. we will strike them in southern gaza using the same methods that we've used, trying to the differentiate between civilians and terror forces. >> reporter: now, u.s. secretary of state antony blinken has been involved in frantic and very fragile shuttle

diplomacy trying to keep this war in gaza from spilling over into a regional conflict. this after he stopped in israel and once again failed to persuade benjamin netanyahu this time for a humanitarian pause that would allow aid to get to palestinian civilians. >> we are absolutely focused on getting hostages back and getting them back to the their families in safety. and we we believe that, among other things, a humanitarian pause could help that effort. [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: i made it clear that we are going with full steam ahead and that israel refuses any temporary ceasefire that does not involve the release of the kidnapped israelis. >> reporter: and a u.s. official speaking to the our jennifer griffin confirms that hamas fighters were trying to sneak out with the sick and the wounded. you remember ambulances were sent up from egypt to take the sick and the wounded out to medical care.

well, hamas fighters were trying to get in those ambulances. the lists were submitted, the names were evented, and the fighters were discovered, and that is part of what slowed the exit of foreign passport holders or who were trying to get out of the gaza strip. neil, back to you. neil: you can understand the israelis' reticence on that. be safe, my friend. mike tobin over there in israel. alexandria hoff traveling with the president in delaware, the white house making it clear if they had their preference, it would be for a pause in the war for humanitarian purposes, but it's not quite that simple. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, neil. it is complicated. within the hour we are going to hear again from secretary blinken. he'll be holding a joint press conference with his egyptian and jordanian counterparts. these visits are two-way streets. you have u.s.-allied arab nations who are trying to push the u.s. to the support an immediate ceasefire, something

the white house has so far dismissed believing it's very different from a temporary humanitarian pause that the white house has been pushing for. once again secretary blinken is in jordan today. he attended a meeting of foreign ministers earlier after he was in tel aviv yesterday trying to sell this idea of a temporary pause of military action in gaza to prime minister netanyahu. >> civilians should not suffer the consequences for its inhumanity and brutality. we've provided israel advice that only the best of friends can offer on how to minimize civilian deaths while still achieving it objectives of finding and finishing hamas terrorists and their infrastructure of violence. >> reporter: now, the white house has said, it's said that this is a potentially risky maneuver, humanitarian pause, and that situations like this are unpredictable. again, israel has so far rejected the notion of a temporary pause many gaza saying some 240 hostages have to be released first. and president biden himself has had to fend off calls for a

complete ceasefire, that's here at home. it happened at a fundraiser in minnesota. take a look. [no audio] >> reporter: all right, there was a moment of back and forth with an audience member saying they wanted a ceasefire. the president saying, no, we're only for a pause right now. once again, dismissing that, what that audience member was saying has to happen. you can see it there, the audience member says i would love for you to the answer my question. the president, we need a pause to get prisoners out. audience member hopes that the rest of the audience is hoping for a ceasefire, the president stops it will can dead in its tracks, it seems. the president is spending his weekend here in rehoboth as secretary blinken is adding on to his middle eastern itinerary. he will head to turkey on monday, neil. neil: alexandria, thank you for

that with the president in rehoboth. and by the way, one of the things that antony blinken hopes to gauge at least talking to a lot of these arab leaders is how strong they are on this pause. some go so far as to say a ceasefire, in fact, a majority of those leaders have been demanding that right now. forget just a temporary pause. the former chief of staff to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu with us now. very good to have you back. let me ask you about that pause if for any length of time seems, understandably so when we hear the prime minister explain the reasons and what they've been dealing with, justified here. you're feeling the pressure, and i'm sure the prime minister is. how do you respond to that? >> well, yeah, there is pressure. but there is a duty to the jewish people and the state of israel to continue this fight and not let up. certainly, the pain and suffering that the palestinian people are feeling in gaza is not something that anybody

wants. but, you know, we have to look at the facts, and the facts are that i don't think anyone does well under a government led by islamic extremists. the taliban in afghanistan, mullahs in iran, there are plenty of examples around the world of successful muslim countries like indonesia and united arab emirates and others. we have to get rid of the fundamentalists, the radical islamists. and so, yes, i'm sure everyone wants a ceasefire. i don't think a single parent of an israeli soldier wants to continue risking their sons' and daughters' lyes, but in this has to be done until we we eradicate the islamic fundamentalists from gaza. neil: so if the that is the goal, and i understand this goal, hamas has all time, certainly since 2007, control of gaza. that goes away, but you want to go a step further from that and just annihilate hamas. but a lot of people in this country, sir, want to the know what does that ultimately mean?

st one thing for them not to have any control of gaza period, but to annihilate, maybe just tell me? >> well, it doesn't only include ridding hamas of any ability to lead and control gaza, it also includes taking care of the four or five hamas billionaires living in qatar, the shah who, i think, is worth $5 billion. i mean, when you look at how their people suffer in gaza, you've got these billionaires controlling the radicals in gaza is, that has to also be eradicated. you know, we always talk about taking off the head of the snake. hamas in gaza is one thing, but the head of the snake lives in doha. they are billionaires. we have to get rid of them too. neil: you know, it's interesting because you mentioned qatar, and you think of this role they're playing in opening up this passage with egypt. in the rafah, and i'm thinking

to myself they're portraying themselves as a friend to israel in this process to try to protect individuals. you seem to have a very different view of their role here, and they do house a number of hamas militants as well. so i'm just wondering how after this is ultimately sorted out, what will be done about qatar? what will be done about some of these arab countries that not only house, but comfort and pay some of the worst hamas elements? >> yeah. well, no, qatar and other nations will have to decide, you know, which side of history they want to be on. neil: well, they've already decided. they've already decided, right? >> well, they may have to have -- yeah, they have to have a gut check, and when this is over, we'll know where they stand. right now, right now they're standing with the terrorists. right now they're standing with those who fund raise and deliver technology and weapons to terrorists. they're going to have to, and i

hope that the u.s. and and and other nations will put pressure on qatar to eradicate those elements from their country when this is over as well,s because it cannot continue. we can get rid of hamas in gaza. as long as the head of the snake continues to the exist and and live their billionaire lifestyles, this will continue. we have to the get rid of both. neil: you know, you're a good reader of the global reaction to the all of this, and i'm sure you're aware that from the united nations to virtually all the major arab nations urging israel to cool it, don't respond disproportionately, do you ever feel that there was none of this rage four weeks ago morning where i was sitting where i am now and these attacks were first being waged, very little reaction and condemnation to that. and within, you know, literally 72 hours, it had seemed hamas was in this odd position of

winning then, even now the p if r war. pr war. >> let me tell you something, neil, your viewers can see here the yellow star that my father wore during the holocaust. the u.n. ambassador from israel wore a yellow star in the security council the other day to remind the u.n. why the u.n. was created. it was to the stop genocide. it was to say never again. and to me, never again is not a pr battle. never again is a very serious, serious thing. and i think israel will continue to do the what it needs to do the regardless of winning or losing the pr battle because this can never happen again. and we are committed to never letting it happen again. and so, yeah, i mean, you know, we may have ups and downs when it comes to the pr battle, we may have, you know, some people supporting us, other nations, you know, being with against us, israel will never let this happen again. and so that's what we have to remain focused on and not be

caught up in the battle of who's winning or losing p are; rather, making sure genocide never happens again. neil: we're watching right now a protest going on in paris, george. we've seen a number of them where i am now in new york city, another one expected this weekend in washington, d.c., a very big one featuring pro-palestinian protesters. these are in western nations, western governments. how do you feel about that? >> well, i, you know, i think we have to be vigilant, but i think we have to also remind everyone that to be pro-palestinian means getting are rid of hamas. we wanted a two-state solution. they've said no to lee different prime ministers having a two-state solution -- three different prime ministers. we want the palestinians to live side by side, we want to go -- to coexist -- neil: maybe that's just a ruse. maybe this attack four weeks ago proves that was not the goal, the goal was something more dramatic. >> i think you're right, neil.

remember, when they say pro-palestinian now, they're saying free palestine. they're saying free palestine from the river to the sea. what they're talking about is being pro-genocidal. they want to eliminate the jewish sate and the jewish people. so, yes, they're going to protest, s but our voices are going to be just as loud if not louder, and we've seen strong world support push back against these protests. neil: all right. very good seeing you again. >> thank you, neil. neil: all right. we were alluding to iran, by the way, a big protest going on there. whose side do you think they're on if on this? one interesting development here is going after all these iranian proxies. we're very good at doing that because they fund a lot of these groups that go after u.s. soldiers, 28 times in more than 2 weeks. joe lieberman and a host of others are wondering why don't we just go after iran itself? after this. do you know what's taking a big bite out of family budgets? car loans. get a newday 100

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neil: these attacks tend to be on surrogate groups or groups who iran is correctly or indirectly funding. shouldn't these attacks in response be focused on iran? >> they absolutely should be focused on iran. neil: heir not right now. >> they're not. neil: shouldn't we target iran, iran the country? >> yeah. because iran's behind all of this. you're not going to the stop this by the kind of attacks we made in syria. that's helpful, but in the end you've got to go after the head of the snake. and the head of the the snake is in tehran, the islamic revolutionary guard corpses and all the rest. -- corps and all the rest. if we strike directly at iran, will they respond? i don't think so. neil: all right. joe lieberman convinced the only way to send iran an unequivocal message that we don't think highly of their 28 separate

opinion sored attacks on u.s. soldiers over the last two weeks is to go after them directly, not their proxies. lieutenant general david a kind that with us to say go slow. general, good to have you back. you're concerned about where that could lead, but what i think joe lieberman and others have been saying, advocating taking on iran correctly, is they are taking on us directly under the cover of these proxies. so we should respond more strongly. how do you respond to that? >> well, neil, i think that there's the issue of proportionality, but at the same time there is the point that while the biden administration has issued warnings to iran and its terrorist arms over this aggression and that we won't take any significant incoming attacks without a reaction, the responses you saw last friday

simply wasn't sufficient to deter additional attacks against u.s. forces as we saw because there have been several since then. so without changing american policy toward iran, this threat's going to persist. i think the way you go about doing this is, first, by having the administration stop seeking a nuclear deal, then enforce sanctions on oil and missiles instead of ignoring iran's violations. and then restore maximum pressure on tehran. and that could include can covert aid to the dissidents inside iran so that the ayatollahs feel purchase at home. and depending upon response if it's necessary, then we should be willing to employ force against iran because, here's the deal, to be effective as a deterrent, the administration needs to the to indicate its willingness to the actually employ force with deployed aircraft against iran's proxies and, if necessary, iran itself.

neil: because if i'm iran, right, general, and i'm saying, all right, go ahead, blow up some tents in a syrian desert, have at it. but you don't seem to be willing to go after us, so we'll keep doing this. >> that's exactly the reason i made those points in changing u.s. policy toward iran. the iranian leadership needs to understand that they are directly responsible, and the united states is willing to hold them accountable as such. neil: general, while i've got you here, we're learning hamas is apparently putting wounded fighters on this departure lists, the bad guys are slipping through. we don't want that. what to do you make of this? >> well, once again, it is exactly right along the lines of how hamas operates. and it's why that there's such a

strong feeling about not agreeing to an overall ceasefire. evil can't be tolerated. it must be eliminated. so while it may be appropriate for pauses in certain places and times for certain effects, we should not agree to -- or encourage the israelis to agree to an overall ceasefire. neil: well put. general, thank you so much. i always say for your great service to this country as well. you strifed a lot for -- sacrificed a lot for that. mt -- in the meantime, the threats that could be coming here, maybe already here through our own border. the side of the story you don't want about to hear but you probably should, after this. (up) (♪)

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>> in just the past few weeks, multiple foreign terrorist organizations have called for attacks against americans and the west. >> the fbi director, wray, nor the president have any idea whether or not there is somebody from a maas -- hamas roaming around the united states of america who could strike this kind of deadly attack on our own country. neil: all right. do you notice a pattern here? more and more governors, in fact, the owners of oklahoma and texas who were visiting israel to warn us what's going on over there and the threat of terror over there is, in fact, likely to happen over here. the fbi director saying as much a few days earlier. chris swecker, are they right? is it a matter of time before we're dealing with what israel's dealing with here? >> absolutely, neil. i mean, this is the greatest

terrorist threat to this country since the pre-9/11 runup. and i think it's even more pronounced now because we have these conflicts. these cells in the united statei mean hezbollah and hamas, but mostly hezbollah -- have been around for a long, long time, committing crimes and is raising money for hezbollah. hose cells could quickly morph into viability cells with the southern border being as open as it is. we have no idea who's in this country, so it's a combination of what's going on in the middle east as well as that wide open southern border. we've got to have a couple hundred fbi agents on that border trying to determine who's coming in. we have completely negated all the security steps we took after 9/11 to keep terrorists out of this country. neil: so the fear is they're already here, chris, and then the question becomes the added inprayings of this hamas activity against israel started four weeks ago this very day.

and i'm just wondering, because that's how christopher wray framed it, that they would take inspiration from that, follow up on that. in what way? >> clearly. i mean, we've seen this over the years where with a lone terrorist hears the call, they operate semi-independently in the sense that they're not card-carrying hezbollah, card-carrying hamas, al-qaeda or isis. but then there's also the greater threat, i think, of organized terrorist activity in the u.s. yes, these cells were already here, but there's even more flowing across our border every day without question. and we don't know where they are, who they are. it's, if you're a terrorist, you're going to sneak across that southern border. you don't need to take a plane or use any other means to get into this country. and they can come in in groups, in cells. they often get mistaken for being hispanic if they actually go through a border crossing, but most of them don't. they go around the border cross,

and come in illegally with the help of the cartels, which is another scary alliance. neil we're waiting for antony blinken meeting with a number of leaders, his counterparts, foreign ministers from the likes of jordan, egypt, saudi arabia, what have you. when it comes to those representatives with whom he's chatting, to a man they seem to be saying go slow, israel, cool it on what you're doing at the border. yet we discover that hamas wounded fighters are sneaking onto these ambulances and getting out of the country. many of them might have already left the country. then it begs the question, to do what? >> to do bad things. i mean, i was the fbi's commander in iraq, and we were investigating bombings throughout the theater targeting civilians primarily. and the hand of iran was all over these bombings. and when you see 500 pounds of high explosives, what that can

do, it wakes you up to the level of commitment because that suicide bomber is planning on going out himself as well. i saw them bomb the red cross, other facilities, the u.n. there are no boundaries for these people, and they are dedicated to destroying western civilization as we know it. so they're in it for the long haul, and you can't -- i guess the point being, neil, you can't trust them. no matter what you say, you cannot trust them. neil: in the meantime, we have this policy of going after and beefing up our troop presence mostly in syria. i think we're up to 1200 troops if memory serves me right, and it's meant to attack these iranian-funded proxies that have been behind the attacks the last down of -- couple of weeks, but never iran itself. the fear is, obviously, the war has expanded dramatically. but iran's already doing that, and iran is already anticipating our relate accident -- reticence to expand, so they keep doing that.

what's the answer? >> yeah. i mean, it's my belief that iran already has nuclear capabilities and and, you know, they've been lying to us all along. so we're dealing with a nuclear power here. so i can understand why we're going to hit the proxies, nibble around the edges, but i don't think that iran understands that. when trump got soleimani, that sent the right message, and i think we need to take those types of measures that are dramatic, not just, as i said, nibbling a around the edges of it. we need to send a clear message. we don't have to evade iran, but we need to hit some really high value targets even if they are in iran. because they know they don't have the capability to go up against the united states. we still are the world's greatest military power. but we have to the send a clear, dramatic message much like the soleimani hit. hale neil chris swecker, the former fbi assistant director. he's been in harm's way all his

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neil: all right. we have had big protests going on pretty much across the world since this war first erupted four weeks ago this very da day. a massive one, perhaps a record one, right now getting together in washington slated for later on that could bring in 100,000 or more to the nation's capital. certainly, the weather would be fitting for it. it is deemed to be a pro-palestinian rally. it's raising eyebrows as similar such protests going on in europe, in paris, in london, a big one in iran. no surprise there. but it's been sort of like a rolling show going on in these capitals where the message is, israel is going too far. griff jenkins with what's at stake for the big one in d.c. griff. >> reporter: hey, or neil, good morning. organizers hope it will be massive. if we could actually just go

back to that live shot for just a second, i can just orient you a little bit. that's the stage, with free palestine written on top. it's in freedom plaza, pennsylvania avenue, just a block -- the white house and the old executive building off to the right of the stage, and they're going to gather there where they hope it's massive. protesters already taking to the streets even before the sun was up ahead of today's march which is to, as you see there, free palestine. st been argued by the answer coalition. hay posted some video we can show you of volunteers out before dawn lining the desperates of pennsylvania avenue and -- streets of pennsylvania avenue and video of protesters that were being bussed in from atlanta, georgia. they were chanting all along the way. listen here, neil. >> free, free pal tine -- >> free, free palestine -- >> long live palestine. >> long live palestine. >> from the river to the sea --? >> from the river to the sea -- >> palestine will be free. >> palestine will be free!

>> reporter: and that's not the only bus. they've got them coming from more than 50 cities including boston, philadelphia, tampa and michigan. it'll be interesting to the see whether michigan representative rashida tlaib will be among the protest the ors. she's been an outspoken critic of president biden and thousand demanding an immediate ceasefire. >> mr. president, the american people are not with you on this. [inaudible conversations] >> from the river to the sea! >> we will remember in 2024. >> reporter: saying they expect some 20-25,000ing protesters, it'll start there at that freedom plaza area, then march to the white house where they'll accuse the president of supporting genocide. yesterday in oakland we saw a massive group of protesters actually delay a military cargo ship from departing for nearly nine hours. the protesters claiming that ship was carrying weapons to

israel though u.s. authorities have not confirmed that. and we're watching for another massive turnout in london where you've seen tens of thousands taking to the streets last weekend. we expect today ooh's protest in london to also be busy. while d.c. gets started in just hours, our colleague mike emmanuel is heading out there soon, we'll notice what it brings. neil: i notice in that chant, griff, the river to the sea, that's pretty much all of israel. so they want all of that. israel occupies a lot of that river to the sea, get them out of there. are people aware even on the bus when they're chanting that, that that they're talking the annihilation of israel in and they're amoyed when they go -- a annoyed when they hear the israelis talk about annihilating hamas. help me on this. >> reporter: that's exactly the point, neil. and you're literally correct. and i'm going to be out there as well after i an or color the noon the two show -- anchor the

noon to two show, and i'm going to ask protesters what they mean. the reference to the river is the jordan river, on the west side of the jordan river is, of course, what's known as west bank. the sea is gaza, where there's 25 miles of the gaza strip. but everything in between is israel, so when you say from the river to the sea, palestine will be free, you're talking about getting rid of all of israel and everything in between. it'll be interesting to the see if that's what these protesters are calling for. you can see on your map, our producers putting up a great visual there. that entire area between the west bank and gaza, that is israel. so you're essentially talking about getting rid of all the jews in israel. neil? neil: and another point, and you're so good at reporting all this stuff, griff, but this idea of saying this is a pro-palestinian rally. but in parentheses, is it also a pro-hamas rally? we've seen some rallies, familiarly philadelphia come to mind, where where it was called just that, a pro-hamas rally.

some put their thoughts on banners, but there is no sort of questioning of the activity that precipitated this israeli response four weeks ago when 14030 israelis and others -- 1400 israelis were butchered in their homes and kids were decapitated and no reference to that. some of these protesters arguing on behalf of palestine, for example, say that's made up, that it didn't really happen. sort of a modern day version of holocaust and higher. so i just wonder how that's being fed through even the pr lines. >> reporter: that's a great question. one thing i think we can see, neil, is abundantly clear from so many of the protests we've seen so far is that students on campuses fail to fully understand the complexity of the israeli-palestinian conflict. and they are, in many respects whether they intend to the or not, equating and conflating the hamas terrorist acts carried out

on october 7th with some sort of freedom-fighting resistance which was anything but. we'll have to ask the protesters out there today if they fully understand and comprehend what their message is. neil? neil: i look forward to your show. i always do, griff can. i think i'm, you're, like zz top. i'm your warm-up act. [laughter] griff, thank you very much for that. griff jenkins in washington, that's going to be a doozy the watch, happening all over the globe. meanwhile, the rush to get people out of gaza in this region goes on right now. it is difficult, because some hamas elements are sneaking in through in that rush. emily is just happy to be out of there, a u.s. citizen that just escaped gaza a with her husband and five kidsful all are fine. emily, good to have you. how did you manage this? >> well, it's been a horrific month, you know, since october 7th, you know? our lives have just been one

horror story. but we were able to get out on thursday because the american list of possible evacuees came over to the panel stint january -- palestinian side. and we got a call from state the president that morning, and we -- it was very difficult to the find a car. there's no fuel in gaza, or so it was difficult to get there, a couple of hours, but we finally managed to get there at 9:30 and took all day to process us. it's very difficult to describe, you know? the relief though when we did manage to make it to the egyptian side. neil: how long were you stuck there? >> the conflict started on the 7th, and so we were stuck there, i mean, the whole -- the entire war, of course. we were there visiting my husband's family who was raised in gaza, and he -- we had to leave our houses, the family's houses in south gaza on the third day, the monday of the

conflict starting. so we've been displaced the whole time as well which was very difficult, as you can imagine if, with children and a suitcase and running, and, you know, bombing just incessantly. it was hair rowing, unbelievabl, unbelievable experience to live through. neil where were you, if you don't mind me belaboring this report, on the day of the attacks? >> we were sleeping in our beds in the in-laws house, and you just started to hear rocket fire at a 6:to 30 in the morning. etch was completely confused what was -- everyone was completely confused what was happening. and it just kept going. you know, again, you went to bed happy, planning, you know, going to the beach tomorrow and dinner with family and friends, and just overnight, you know, it became a war zone. so it's quite traumatic for all my family as well as everyone in gaza. neil: now, you live in

manchester, england. your husband is british, so you had an opportunity to work with both the american government, i understand, and the british government. how kid you my -- did you finesse that? >> just immediately went to the went site and signed us up for -- web site and signed us up for evacuation from the british and the state department just hoping for us to get out. neil: and how were they checking up on you? >> the -- checked up with us quite often in phone calls and text messages which was really helpful because their internet access was very low. and some of the e-mails i got from state department i didn't come through. i got some phone calls, but perhaps because i have a u.k. number on my cell, it was easier to hear from the fcdo. but it was still sparse communication and no news of any progress. the false reports of being able to leave early on were

heartbreaking, to say the least, and demoralizing. it was a real struggle to keep up morale, you know? just in those weeks waiting for any news from either the british or american governments. neil: i wonder if i can -- and, emily, i'm so glad you're all right, you've been very patient. as a mom and your with five kids now safe and out of there, do any of them want to go back? do you ever want to the go back, or are you just saying, all right, this is craze? -- crazy? >> oh, i mean, of course we were extremely relieved to be out and, of course, no one would wish to go back at this point and what's happening in gaza, the suffering is horrific. we are trying to source water every day, trying to source food every day, trying to, or you know, get some sleep amid all the bombing at night and during the day. and so it's walking, the walking

dead for survival really. but we do, we do love our family in gaza and, you know, we cry about when we can see them again because it's already been since 2007 nearly impossible to visit people in the gaza strip if you have family there. the whole strip has been blockaded, and the border's controlled by egypt and israel since 2007. and we've visited five times. we've made -- [audio difficulty] the journey across sinai to go visit his mother and his seven siblings each time the strip gets more and more hellish as there's no jobs for people, there's no -- i mean, people yet education, we have cousins who have degrees, but 70% of young people are up employed. i mean, it's -- the hope and the morale of the palestinian people is, they're just struggling so much. and then this war coming

through, you know, has just concern we really fear for our family that are there that's trying to just survive. so it's, it's just heartbreaking neil: that was the last question, if you'll endure one more, and it concerns hamas and its control of -- >> i hope one day we can return to see them again. neil: okay. but this control that hamas had in the area and had in your prior visits and you mention all these economic -- that was under hamas control. israel promises hamas will have nothing to do with gaza in the future. are you optimistic about that? all right. i apologize for that. i sort of tested my electronic luck on that. emily is fine, her husband's fine, her five kids are fineing out of there. but we'll see what happens now, of course, when israel, if it sticks to its goal of eventually

eradicating hamas at least in control of gaza, what will the new gaza look like? in the meantime, in florida a lot of the key republican presidential candidates are gathering there. bryan llenas has more from kissimmee, florida, at the so-called freedom summit. bryan. >> reporter: neil, good morning. that's right, foreign policy, israel and ukraine wars top the of mind for the republican field. that is addressing the crowd here at the florida freedom summit. now, look, on one side you've got nikki haley and chris christie who say both wars are linked and should be funded together. but on the other you have somebody like vivek ramaswamy who says more funding for israel is something he's not really for millions they meet certain -- unless they meet e certain preconditions. and then you have florida governor ron desantis who supports the $14.5 billion republican-led legislation that fully funds just the israeli war effort and not ukraine. >> i don't think that there should be a big omnibus package.

i think the house is right on this. >> you can take care of israel, you can take care of ukraine, and you can secure the border. and do you know if you did all three of those things, that's less than 20% of biden's green subsidies that he passedsome. >> i worry that if we go beyond our standard precommitted $3 billion in aid for israel, if we go on to specifically get involved militarily in this war, then we have to ask questions that demand specific answers about war objectives that i don't think is in the u.s. interests or israel's interests. >> reporter: now, right now it looks like five candidates are expected to qualify for the third debate in miami wednesday night. ron desantis, nikki haley, vivek ramaswamy, chris chris christie and tim scott. former president trump will host a separate rally in miami that night. now, we now also know the fourth debate will take place december 6th in tuscaloosa, alabama, and we could see even less candidates on that debate stage. that's because the threshold to

qualify for the fourth debate is the toughest we've seen yet. candidates now have to have 80,000 unique donors and 6% support in two national polls or 6% support in one national poll and 6% in two early state polls. now, back here at the florida freedom summit the former governor, or asa hutchinson, is right now behind me. idaho's governor doug burgum, they've spoken, but the big thing everyone's paying attention to is florida governor ron desantis and former president trump who's expected to speak tonight. both candidates say they reign supreme here in the state of florida and have taken a lot of jabs towards one another as of late. neil? neil: thank you, bryan llenas. also keep you updates on -- updated on this emergency aid for israel, a $14.3 billion package did pass the house, but it's supposedly dead on arrival in the senate. nicole malliotakis,

congresswoman, great to see you. where does stand right now? >> well, look, we passed a package that we think is really responsible because we offset the spending, and we take up the issue of israel at hand. remember, the president tried to lump in all sorts of unrelated spending and slow down the israel package. we're saying, look, let's take up israel separately, but let's insure we're paying for it because we do have a $33 trillion department, and we need to make sure -- debt, and we need to balance what we're spending. the reality is that we can take money from these tax credits that the president plans to send to china. we could take money from this irs army that the president is still trying to push and use it to support our ally, israel. and and that is exactly what we've decided to do. look, we have to recognize that israel's security is our security, and we need to make sure that we are replenishing, helping them replenish the iron dome, the iron beam, david's sling and also one-third of this funding actually goes toward

american military preparedness. neil: you know, congresswoman, these can change and math is always suspect here, but the congressional budget office has taken a look at the package that you were alluding to and liked and says that it busts the deficit, it's going to add to the deficit in the years ahead. what do you think of that? because your sole purpose in wanting to make sure that we didn't do that has now been robbed, that that's ooh -- it's doing it. >> well, or because they're making the assumption that biden's irs army would go after our middle class and continue to squeeze more money out of them. so now they're saying, well, we're going to lose money because we're not squeezing middle class -- neil: i don't think they said they're going after the middle class. i think all they said is that the tax revenue that would be gained by more audits, they say of upper income folks, i won't debate that. but bottom line is what you're planning robs them of getting that revenue, and so your plan makes the deficit worse.

you say that's not the case. >> they may not say the middle class, but biden's irs army, or we know, was going to be increasing the number of audits. therefore, it was going to continue to go after the middle class as a well. look, there's more than enough irs army -- neil: but that's not the point, right? >> yeah. neil: the point is whether you find that to be the case orbit, the revenue you hope to gain and save is not there because the cbo's saying wherever they're getting the money, they won't get it now, so your program is a problem, and that's where we're back to the senate -- >> well, no because -- neil: what do you say? >> because, again, the president wants to spend withs of dollars -- billions of dollars in hiring more irs agentings. we're simply saying let's not do that, let's not double the number of agents. instead, let's use that money to support our ally. in fact, you'd have money left over if you don't make all those additional -- neil: so i understand what you're saying, and i apologize if i appear to be belaboring

this, but let me ask you about what the senate wants to know, because as you to know, they want to combine this package with aid to to us rell with -- israel with aid to ukraine. it's a much more expensive package, $106 billion. a lot of your republican colleagues like that and don't want to limit it to just israel. but if that comes back to you, in other words, comes back to the house, would you reject that? >> well, i don't think it would be taken up in the house as a whole. we deserve to be briefed by this white house on where the money that has gone to ukraine has been spent, what more is needed, what is the strategy to help them win. that is number one. number two, they also want to put in more money to process paperwork at the border. we simply cannot afford just to throw more money at the problem. what we actually need to do is change the border policy and go back to the policies that were working under the previous administration; remain in mexico, ending catch and release, restoring title 42 and making sure our cbp agents are getting more manpower, more

technology and training. and that is exactly what we will fight for. quite frankly, the senate should be passing our h.r. 2 border security act, not just asking for more money to the process more paperwork to the allow an unsustainable flow of individuals to continue to enter our country. neil: got it. congresswoman, on a saturday, no less, we appreciate you taking the time. by the way, we are watching antony blinken right now. he is with his counterparts from a host of arab nations and more to come today not only jordan, uae, egypt and saudi arabia and palestinian representatives, but a host of others. almost to a man saying that israel should go slow, open up a temporary passageway and a ceasefire or temporary one, a pause, however you want to put it, to allow more to get out. but the message from benjamin netanyahu is, ain't happening. stay with us, you are watching fox.

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