>> harris: what we are watching that you can watch with us. awaiting remarks from president biden from delaware. he's set to tout bidenomics as well as the progress on infrastructure. also keeping an eye on donald trump who is back in court today. you know that. we saw him go in as he comes out, they are in a break for a bit now. as he comes out at the end of the day after testifying in new york city at the federal courthouse, we understand at that point we will hear from him. whether we hear from him before that, we'll of course watch for it. that's when we have been told that he will likely make statements. thank you so very much for being with us on "outnumbered." now let's get to "america reports". >> these are political operatives that i'm going to be dealing with right now, it's a very sad situation for our country. we shouldn't have to -- this is

for third world countries, unfair. >> sandra: a year out from the next presidential race. president trump is trading the campaign trail for the witness box taking the stand in the $250 million civil fraud trial. we kick off a brand-new week. hi, john. >> john: if ever there were a day for cameras in the courtroom, this is it, unfortunately there are not. i'm john roberts in washington and this is "america reports" and what could be described as an intense morning in the manhattan courtroom. the former president and leading 2024 gop contender repeatedly sparred with the new york prosecutor questioning him as well as the judge who admonished trump for lengthy answers and told his lawyers to "control your client." >> sandra: that did happen. remains to be seen whether a ruling in this nonjury civil case or the four outstanding criminal cases will severely impact his bid for the white

house. nate foy has the latest from there. nate, when are we expecting the former president to return to the stand? what's the schedule? >> so right now we are in lunch, sandra, the afternoon session will resume at 2:15, when former president donald trump will once again take the stand. so far john mentioned, it's been pretty tense between trump, the judge and also new york attorney general letitia james. just before breaking for lunch, trump defended the value of his properties and said because they provided a disclaimer to banks encouraging them to do their own research, even if there was a mistake he believes he should be criticized and criticized the justice for believing new york attorney general james, calling her a political hack. but speaking of the tense moments, the judge twice as john mentioned told the attorney to control the former president,

and he said i'm not here to hear what he has today. and trump told the court this is a very, very unfair trial and i hope the public is watching. he maintains it's election interference. >> usually takes place in third world countries and banana republics. nobody has seen that to this extent. we are going to make america great again but take away from the thugs and the horrible people that must hate our country to do this. but we will -- we'll fight very hard for our country. >> sandra, john, attorney general james is at the trial in person. she's neither arguing nor case. she's attended the trial with days of high profile witnesses. she said despite the insults coming from trump, she believes in her case. >> i am certain that he will engage in name calling and taunts and race baiting and call

this a witch hunt. but at the time of the day, the only thing that matters are the facts and the numbers and numbers, my friends, don't lie. >> this trial is unprecedented for multiple reasons. one of them is fox news cannot find any other examples in new york state history someone has been convicted of inflating real estate assets without a victim and trump maintains he paid back all loans in full and on time. the afternoon session will resume at 2:15. trump has been instructed two times by the judge to not speak to the media while he's actively on the stand but he will be free to speak to the media when his testimony concludes, expected later this afternoon. back to you. >> sandra: nate foy live outside the courthouse in manhattan for us. thank you, nate. andy mccarthy, former assistant

u.s. attorney and fox news contributor. the court is adjourned for lunch, your thoughts and where this is going to go next. >> well, i really think it's a farce in the sense that the judge actually ruled against trump before the trial even started. so i kind of chuckle today at hearing that he had turned to trump's lawyer and said can you control your client because the reason the judge has lost control of his courtroom is that he basically told trump that he had lost before the so-called trial even started and that the ensuing trial, which will go on for two months, or at least at that point in time they said it would go on for two months, all it's about is how much he's going to let james run up the score in terms of how much trump is going to be required to pay. so, that communicated to trump

that there was no point in fighting this as a legal case because that ship has sailed. he knows he's lost. so trump is doing exactly what you would expect somebody like trump who is running for republic office to do. he's trying to use this as an element of his campaign. there's no point in fighting it on legal grounds. he's fighting it on political grounds. >> john: i've got to say, andy, i would hazard a guess the judge has never had a witness like donald trump in his courtroom before. he admonished the defense counsel to "control the witness," control their client, because i mean, anybody who has ever had a conversation with trump knows he goes on and on and on and on and he says what he wants to say and then you get a word in and then on and on and on and says what he wants to say. that's just who he is. he does not like that in his courtroom. at one point he said we are not hear to listen to what he has to

say, we are hear to listen to him to answer questions, and they said no, we are here to listen to what he has to say. it's like the judge is losing control of the courtroom, easy to do when donald trump sits down to say anything anywhere. but the same time, kind of violating basic court practices that the client has an opportunity, or the defendant has an opportunity to defend themselves in a court of law. and the judge should be able to sit down long enough to listen to what the defendant has to say. >> right. well, that's what should happen, john. but you know, look, i don't think the new york system anymore is a legal system. it's really a political system. james is an elected democrat who ran for office promising to use the power of the office against trump and a good judge who wanted to keep control of this proceeding would not have ruled on the ultimate issue on the eve of trial.

because you would want -- withhold the ruling and then trump at least has an incentive behave himself, because how he comports himself might affect the outcome of the case. but if you tell the guy before the case even starts that he's lost, what incentive does he have to behave himself or treat it anything other than a farce. >> sandra: should he adapt to the courtroom, andy? >> i think -- i think at this point his view of it is -- this is politics, it's not law anymore because i've already lost the legal case. and his best argument politically and we are seeing this in the polls is that the elected democrats and we are dealing in this case with elected democrat prosecutor and elected democrat judge, that they are using the powers of the public's law enforcement

apparatus as a political weapon against somebody who they fear in the 2024 election. that's the story that he wants to run on and they are giving him a ton of ammunition to run on it. and i think it's starting to get traction in the polls, it's obvious that it is. >> john: andy, why do you think letitia james is appearing in court almost every day? i don't expect that she is going to the average criminal proceeding that the new york city courts take on day in and day out. she's specifically going to this one, though, and what do you think the reason for that might be? and the question kind of answers itself, really. >> yeah, well, you know, john, in the federal system we have appointed prosecutors and they have to be consented to by the senate so they go through some rigorous process in order at least ostensibly to assure us they are not going to use the powers of the office abusively. that's not what you have in new,

i don't. she's an elected democrat and she ran for office in a very blue state, promising to use her powers against trump and she like trump is showing up at key moments of this proceeding because that's when the high profile stuff happens and when you, you know, to the extent that you are using this as a political exercise, that's where you cash in on it. so, that's what she's doing. it's why she brought the case in the first place. people should understand, this is the case that the prosecutors decided not to bring. this investigation started as a federal investigation by prosecutors in the southern district of new york, in manhattan. they decided not to bring the case. it then went to the prosecutors in the district attorney's office and even though they are quite anxious to do a case against trump, they didn't think there was a case here because even though they are saying fraud, fraud, fraud, there is no victims. but james picked up the scraps

the prosecutors didn't want and because it's a civil proceeding and a monstrous statute in new york, she can go after him without proving fraud or deceptive intent and put him out of business, without even to show there was a victim of the alleged fraud. >> sandra: the a.p. write-up from a few moments ago, saying the former president said "i think this is a political witch hunt" and she should be ashamed of herself, talking about letitia james, the fraud is here, apparently james, as john mentioned, has been in the courtroom every day, stared straight at the former president as he spoke and said those words. andy, if you could, stand by with us as our coverage continues here. >> john: kerri kupec urbahn, you've been inside the courtroom all morning, you can bring us some color at some points,

looked more like a wwe event than a courtroom proceeding. >> you know, in the last hour the former president was pretty composed, restrained from him but toward the end getting angry and on what nate foy reported and andy mccarthy, he says the fraud is not his end but the court's end. and i was sitting watching him and thinking imagine a small town where the speed limit is 55 miles an hour and everyone goes 65 miles an hour and it's always been that way and no one has been pulled over or arrested. a new sheriff comes to town and says you know what, i don't like that john doe guy and i'm going to start enforcing the law specifically against him and not only that, i'm going to make sure that he doesn't speed now, i'm going to make sure he and his family can't ever drive again and i think that's probably what the former president was feeling and thinking as he was sitting there.

as has been mentioned, the research team, includes lawyers, cannot find any example in new york state of someone conflicted of inflating real estate values without a victim. that's what we heard here. >> sandra: and he defended his children and the attacks on them. the president said i'm worth billions of dollars more than the financial statements. he told a state lawyer, you go around and try and demean me and hurt me, probably for political reasons. obviously emotions are running high at various points in this trial. >> it does raise the question how does one determine value when you are talking about a celebrity turned president. so, for instance, i was thinking and looked it up, thinking about judy garland's slippers in the "wizard of oz," and if they were

not on her feet, they would be a couple hundred bucks, currently they are valued at $3.2 million. so it's tricky when you value mar-a-lago or the golf course in scotland, he said i did not put brand on the paper but brand is a thing and i also thought a point he made that was compelling was that on page one of the financial statement of conditions a disclaimer and that disclaimer says that yes, look, this is our position, what we think our property is valued, but you have to do your due diligence. make sure we are right and if it's not and if you don't, it's on you. and that was a point he kept coming back to. >> john: i love the rich metaphors, small town speeding and judy garland's slippers. >> i was thinking a lot in the courtroom, john. >> john: great pop culture references, people at home understand those. what they may not understand are

real estate values. a piece of property are worth what anybody is willing to pay for them, and when it comes celebrity property, whether it's personal or real estate, the number can be anything. but the judge says mar-a-lago was worth $18 million, but i'm sorry, that's laughable in terms of west palm beach real estate. he bought it in 1986 for $7 million, post family wanted 22 million at the time, trump got the deal of the century. but to say it's only worth $18 million, i don't know if it's a billion, that's probably a stretch, but probably worth more than $100 million easily, i would think, kerri. >> yeah, and talking about a property with 100 plus rooms on the ocean and the pool, i don't think even has to be in palm beach to say 18 million, that

seems low. and those are the two points the former president kept coming back to, he said if anything, i under value my properties and disclaimer. and he said the disclosure, the financial statement of condition, that in the business world they are considered worthless. he says it's a par for the course, that holds up in court normally and again, it's on the banks to decide whether they agree with the statement or not before they go forward with lending money and the like. >> sandra: kerri, can you tell us about the moment when the former president's lawyer was asked "can you control your client," this is not a political rally, this is a courtroom, said the judge, the president's lawyer responded, who has had as we already know, clashes with this judge, responded that the former president was entitled to

latitude as a former president and current candidate taking time away from the campaign to be on the witness stand. what was that exchange like? >> it was testy, it was testy, and things calmed down a bit in the second hour. but you know, one of the points that trump's lawyers have been making is that if the state wants to ask certain questions, of course they can ask the questions, trump not a lawyer and some answers obviously require lengthy responses and context and the like. not to say the former president has not gone off on some tangents about china and russia as the like as we all have come to know him to do quite well over the last number of years, but other than those occasional tangents, the former president has pretty much stuck to answering the questions. occasionally, though, complaining about political persecution and i will say the judge has allowed him to directly attack both him, the judge and also the attorney general who is sitting in the front row as mentioned earlier.

>> john: kerri, when we have gotten together on the set in d.c. a number of times, we talked about the biden case, hunter and joe biden, and the delaware way, a cozy relationship in delaware, legal business or otherwise. but andy mccarthy is talking about the new york way, particularly as pertains to this case. elected attorney general and you've got an elected judge and you've got again as you pointed out, a very unique prosecution. this has never happened before. is this a legal proceeding or is this a political proceeding? >> i think a lot of the facts point to the fact that there's a heavy dose of politics intertwined in all of this. the fact the attorney general campaigned on going after donald trump, not only is that unusual, i would say it's highly inappropriate. the job of the attorney general and judges and the justice

system to maintain a semblance of neutrality, people depend on that. our system of justice depends on the even handed neutral application of the law without regard to partisan politics. and you know, one thing i often talk about is justice, the judge found the former president committed fraud, that's the letter of the law, on the books. spirit of the law asks what is fair and how one can discern what is fair is asking how has the law been applied in similar situations and here there isn't 1, and 2, does the punishment fit the crime, especially when the law has never been applied in that way. and that is a way to determine whether justice is actually being had when both the letter and the spirit are combined and i'm concerned john and sandra that in this particular case we are seeing a divorcing of those two, at the end of the day is not actually justice. >> sandra: all right. the president's team has stepped up to the microphone, let's dip

in here and listen. >> the judge has predetermined that my client committed fraud before we even walked into this courtroom. i'm not here to hear what he has to say. then why exactly am i being paid as an attorney and why exactly are taxpayer dollars being used in this courtroom. the answer is very clear. because miss james wants to stand right here like she did this morning and call my client a liar. call the company fraudulent. and make a name for herself. she said this morning that the numbers don't lie and they won't lie in this case. well, miss james, i have a message for you. the numbers didn't lie when you ran for governor and that's why you dropped out. and the numbers don't lie when president trump runs for office in 2024 and those numbers are

loud and clear. this country is falling apart and if we don't stop corruption in courtrooms where attorneys are gagged, where attorneys are not allowed to say what they need to say to protect their clients' interest, it doesn't matter what your politics are. everyone has a right in this country to get up and put a defense. i don't care who you are. you have a right to hire a lawyer who can put objections on the record. you have a right to hire a lawyer who can stand up and say something when they see something wrong. but i was told to sit down today. i was yelled at and i've had a judge who is unhinged slamming a table. i don't tolerate that in my life, i'm not going to tolerate it here. and you know what, you shouldn't either. because not every american citizen gets a camera and a microphone and what i'm seeing is such a demise of american

judicial system and democracy. miss james came out this morning and said that she knew mr. trump, and always calls him mr. trump, it kills her he was the president, the 45th president of this country, one of the best presidents we have had, has built a great company. it's worth a ton more than that statement of financial condition and she doesn't know how to get out of it because her politics won't allow her. she calls him a bully. she says he's going to bring out racial slurs. he's going to say things today and taunt her. miss james, you taunted him. before you came into office, before you saw one record, one statement of financial condition, you taunted him. you said his administration was too male and too pale. those are her words. she said that she and michael cohen were going to be his biggest nightmare. well, i have some news for you,

miss james. michael cohen folded, lied and crumbled. your star witness, along with all the d.a.s and corrupt a.g.s need to pay attention to what happens when you let us take the stand. when you let my client speak the truth and the judge can tell me to sit down and he can try and shorten my client's testimony but it is loud and clear they've got nothing, they've got nothing but their politics. she's got nothing but her soros backing, we discovered recently, and i am sick and tired of seeing it. pay attention, america. pay attention. because when you are in court one of these days and you don't have a lawyer that has a microphone and you don't have a lawyer that can go on tv and you've got judges gagging them, what are you going to do? we need to fix this country and stop what is happening in this courtroom. president trump is worth a lot more and before she rushed to

judgment she should have thought about attacking somebody with over 50 years of real estate expertise who changed single handedly the skyline of new york city. she picked the wrong person. >> are you concerned that president trump's longer answers that he draws negative inferences. >> the judge doesn't like when president trump explains what actually happened because it's not good for his narrative. this is a judge who clearly has an issue, if you've seen his behavior with me, his behavior with the president today, he has a clear issue with facts that are not good for the case because he already predetermined and i want everyone to understand, this is -- yes, we do not have a jury, yes, we do not have a lot of things that we should because they brought it under section 6312. but this judge decided this case in liability before we walked up those stairs. i didn't have a shot. so right now we are sitting here doing a whole dance and the only

thing they want are facts that are bad for trump. that's why is silencing him, telling him short answers and why he's clearly enraged, his face is red, he is -- he came in hot, and he doesn't know how to handle him. >> knowing the judge is the one who will decide the penalties, have you urged your client, president trump, to keep his answers more concise based on the judge -- >> if my client was worried about people's penalties on him and that's supposed to silent his right to free speech and take a stand and explain, then i would not want to represent him. my client has done nothing wrong. his answers should be full and if they try and silence him, the record will reflect that and deal it on appeal. >> why did the president plead the fifth if he's willing to testify today. >> everything is done strategically, the fifth was done in the euo, a special proceeding, frankly, i never thought that she would bring the case. once you see his actual values,

there is no there there, but you are sitting out here, comes out, calls him a liar this. is third world stuff. you are not allowed to run before you know what somebody's company is, or financials are and call them a liar and fraud and base your politics on this. miss james would not be the attorney general but for president trump. and that might hurt her, but that's the facts. the facts hurt. that's why she was not a good governor, she didn't make governor, didn't come close. she used the case as a cover. numbers don't lie, miss james, to use her own words. numbers don't lie. >> anything else? thank you. >> john: well, sandra, that was -- whatever hourly rate she's charging she should probably double it. a forceful defense of the president. >> sandra: she said the judge's clear issue with the facts, my client has done nothing wrong

calling this third world stuff. bret is joining us, former u.s. attorney, and you were listening as well, bret. your reaction. >> i was. she said something that was very important to key in on. she indicated there's no jury, the judge had made a finding, you have the judge, not so much the attorney general's office, you have a judge having to defend himself and his ruling. and the way he does that is through what he admits into evidence. and so what he's admitting into evidence are things that the short answers of the president's or things fitting his decision that he made. that's a problem when it goes forward on appeal if he has in fact shut down the president's full answer. >> john: bret, when you take a look back at letitia james, she said she never campaigned on getting president trump despite the receipts that show she did exactly that, there's no personal vendetta against trump,

her statements during the election campaign would seem to contradict. andy mccarthy was talking about this, that this is more of a political exercise than it is a legal exercise, and yet you have the judge trying to shut the former president down saying i'm not here to listen to a political speech. this isn't a political rally, it's a courtroom. but when you take a look at how he got there and the people who are trying him, maybe it is more of a political rally of sorts than it is a legal proceeding. what do you think? >> you are exactly right. there's a danger whenever you use a statute that has a lot of gray areas in it and when you go -- when you go forward on a case, whether it's a real estate appraisal, a prosecution, or a case against individuals based on the representation of their wealth, you are dealing with a lot of gray areas and those are the cases that take an intensive amount of investigative work to

make sure before you bring them that you have solid facts and facts that suggest it was on purpose that a particular target tried to overstate their wealth. here you don't have that. you have the reverse. you have a lack of carefulness, a lack of thoughtfulness. what's driving it is the politics. we lose faith and confidence, i agree, but now you are seeing what happens when a judge is also participating in the politics rather than the rule of law. >> sandra: we just saw the president's legal team return a moment ago on screen left. we do expect this will be back underway within the next 45 minutes or so, bret. she came out, the lawyer for the former president, alina habba, calling the judge unhinged. she said he's been slamming the table, he yelled at her, this after the judge repeatedly admonished the former president saying this is not a political

rally, demanding the former president's lawyer control him. where do you think this is going to go this afternoon? >> well, it's fascinating. you are seeing the clash of titan, actually. the power of a judge in his own courtroom, and the -- they are so accustomed to having everything go the way they want it. they have people around them that do just what they ask all the time. now you have an individual who is not going to be controlled. the problem they have is this is the target of the investigation and he does get to give answers, you may not like the answers, you may try to get him to stop rambling, but i've been in plenty courtrooms where judges had to just sit through and let the witnesses respond. otherwise you are really risking the case on appeal. and that's what you are seeing play out is those clash of titans and personalities in this courtroom. >> sandra: all right, bret, joining us live on the breaking

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hostages held by hamas, including americans and making sure we are doing everything possible to bring them home. >> we have to win this war, we have to achieve a sense of security, we have to rebuild our homes. but nothing will be worth it if we don't bring them back. >> john: the idf launching massive airstrikes targeting hamas's underground tunnels in the past 24 hours, as the soldiers close in on the dense streets of gaza city, they describe as the fortress of terrorist activities and where hundreds of hostages could be held captive. fox team coverage now, retired lieutenant general keith kellogg, on a nuclear powered boomer submarine to the middle east and acknowledging they are doing it. trey yingst in southern israel, heavy fighting where you are, and i've got torques super impressed how you embedded with the idf, a great journalistic

achievement. what's the latest from where you are. >> thank you, john. yet another day of fighting between israeli forces and hamas militants inside the gaza strip. we have breaking news from the north. israelis say they are striking southern lebanon after 30 rockets were fired into northern israel today and hamas took credit for the rocket fire despite the fact there might be a sign-off from hezbollah when any sort of fire like this takes place into northern israel. but i want to show you some video from last night, you can see how massive the explosions are as they use bunker buster bombs to impact the tunnel, this comes after we embedded with the israeli military this weekend, getting a firsthand look at the battles between israel and hamas. take a look.

>> you can hear the gunfire in the distance, israelis are trying to engage anyone who tries to ambush their forces. and the battle is street by street, it is urban guerilla warfare as hamas is popping out of tunnels and ambushing israeli troops. right now we are embedded with the israeli military inside the gaza strip. these forces have been ambushed, shot at and lost more than two dozen of their own soldiers, still they fight block by block in bloody urban battle. their enemy, hamas, guerilla fighters popping out of tunnels and trying to kill as many israelis as they can. now today, a hamas brigade release add video of the exact firefight, you can see what the perspective looked like from their end, and using r p, g --

rpgs, and they are ambushing israelis inside the strip as they surround gaza city. focus here for the israeli military is to first try to identify where the hostages are being held underneath gaza city, and second, destroy hamas leadership. john. >> john: trey, thank you so much. >> sandra: a rare move, the pentagon announces that a nuclear submarine has arrived in the middle east, and as secretary of state blinken wraps his trip, at least 38 attacks, eight of them since friday. general, thank you for joining us. up on the screen, the frantic trip as the a.p. wrote it up of secretary blinken in the middle east over the weekend.

obviously we saw israel, jordan, west bank, iraq, turkey, then took off. what do you believe was accomplished with this trip, general? >> sandra, thanks for having me. i think he's trying to put a damper on it, especially to keep iran out of the action and hezbollah out of the north. there is an opportunity here and it's one of those i've always believed in keeping things as simple as you can. his diplomacy running around the middle east doing. if the israeli can dismantle hamas as a political tool inside gaza, you can go back 30 years, to the real people supposed to be running politically gaza and the west bank is the palestinian authority and hamas ran it out of gaza. so, what i'm trying to think is maybe what he's doing, he's setting the conditions for the future, what happens once hamas

is defeated. i think that's what he's trying to keep a lid on everything, hopefully that's what he's doing. i think that's really the outcome that everybody wants. reduce hamas, get rid of hamas as a political entity, bring the palestinian authority back in, control both gaza and also the west bank and maybe you have a chance for peace. >> sandra: developments over the weekend and the continued attacks on our u.s. forces, bases, attempts to at least injure service members, at least 38 attacks on u.s. forces in the middle east, eight of them have happened since friday. this is just from october 17th to november 6th. what we know about these attacks so far, 20 separate times in iraq, 18 separate times in syria, by a mix of one way attack drones and rockets. most attacks were successfully disrupted by our military. most failed to reach their targets, thanks to our robust defenses in the region. how should we be responding to this, general? are we acting in the right way

to show and deter these iran proxies? >> i think we are in the sense what we are doing by the show of force. moving that ballistic guided missile submarine through the red sea into the gulf is very, very important. that thing carries, carries 154 tomahawk attack missiles. when we went into syria, we only used 54 of those kind of missiles so telling the iranians look, these are iranian proxies attacking the u.s. in the middle east, it's separate from what's happening in israel and we are kind of surrounding them and showing that capability and capacity. here is the concern i've got, sandra. does the president have the will to make a hard decision? because it's just a matter of time with all these attacks going on that an american is going to get killed. we have been living on the edge,

living with pure luck right now. it's going to happen, and then what does the president do. he's got the forces available. does he want to use them. >> sandra: and finish off with the u.s. military presence in the middle east and how we have ramped up those efforts with the u.s. moving roughly 1200 u.s. service members to the region, alongside thousands of others, and marine expeditionary unit, carrying 2,000 people strong so we continue to build up our ability to possible escalation in the region. appreciate the analysis. thanks so much for joining us today. >> thanks, sandra. >> john: fears grow over domestic terror threats after a non-u.s. citizen arrested in texas for allegedly planning an attack on jews. is our open border putting americans in harm's way? >> sandra: thousands of migrants are leaving mexico to join a caravan heading to the u.s..

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>> our most immediate concern is that violent extremists, individuals or small groups will draw inspiration from the events in the middle east to carry out attacks against americans. hamas and allies will serve as inspiration the likes of which we have not seen since isis launched its so-called caliphate. >> john: that warning comes as authorities in texas arrested a jordanian national who was learning to make bombs for attacks against jewish people.

is the border policy putting americans at risk. bring in former acting dhs secretary chad wolf. so, the man is a jordanian palestinian, he was in texas, he is illegally and unlawfully in the united states, was at least, and illegally in possession of a firearm, press release from the federal indictment, u.s. attorney said he has allegedly been in direct contact with others who share a radical mindset, and that he has been conducting physical training and trained with weapons to possibly commit an attack. how, chad, did we get here? >> well, looks like the individual came in on a nonimmigrant visa which expired in 2019 and then he decided to apply for asylum, which he would be ineligible for because he's been in the united states for a period of time, but that doesn't matter because he knows what the

most of the rest of the world north america all you have to do is apply for asylum and probably will not see a judge for many, many years, why he remains inside the united states, work authorization and the like. now, i do agree with director wray, we need to be concerned about those inspired to take violence in their own hands, which of course we have seen now for a number of years. but this -- this specific incident i think is a reflection of our asylum system, which is completely broken, and the ways in which it is abused, and the ways in which the biden administration knows it is abused, but still does nothing to curb the immense amount of asylum fraud we see at the border each and every day. >> just to reiterate what you said, here on a nonimmigrant visa, here illegally in the country in 2019, applied for asylum, his application is being reviewed at this point. he goes out, allegedly buys himself a weapon and now has terrorististic tendencies,

according to the u.s. attorney for the southern district of texas. and my question is, how many tens of thousands of other people are in this country who were admitted and allowed to stay here under similar circumstances? >> well, every circumstance is a little different but if we just look at the asylum system, everyone coming across the border that is applying for asylum or says that they are, you know, seeking asylum go through the same problem -- the process, and 80 or higher, 80% of claims are denied, just as this individual's claim for asylum will be denied almost immediately because he resided in here in the united states for well over a year, the time frame you need to apply for asylum. so his claim will be dismissed, like many of the millions that have been filed since the biden administration. they know this, the migrants know this, the cartels know

this. this is the game that they play, and so when we talk about, and i talk about specifically needing to former the asylum process, this is what i'm talking about. allowing individual to be released into the united states pending their asylum application, the whole remain in mexico program was designed to address, the system we have in place the last two and a half, three years. >> john: in the weeks and months following 9/11, alerts were blinking red about a potential terror attack on u.s. soil. christopher wray, the fbi director, last wednesday before the homeland security committee again seemed to indicate lights are blinking red. >> reality is the terrorism threat has been elevated throughout 2023 but the ongoing war in the middle east has raised the threat of attack against americans in the united states to a whole other level. since the horrific terrorist

attacks committed by hamas. >> john: wray insists the threat is on the level we had with isis in some years past and we all remember the horrific incident on the west side highway where the fellow drove down the bike lane and ran over people and killed a few of them. >> i don't think the director is wrong. even before the events of israel october 7th, i think the lights were blinking and you just have to look at all the metrics and the data across the southern border and known and suspected terrorist, and i think the lights were blinking well before the events overseas and the events have just now magnified it. now we are seeing all the different protests and the different events across the country that many americans are concerned about. but absolutely, i think the security here in the homeland and the potential for a violent act in the homeland probably has been the highest that we have seen since 9/11 because of a confluence of actions taken over the last two and a half to three

years. >> john: and then the hundreds of thousands of got aways who came into the country, we know nothing about, whether they are ticking time bombs or whether folks looking for a job. chad, good to get your take on this, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> sandra: israeli troops on the verge of pressing into gaza city. congress does not appear closer to pushing through an aid package to help them defeat hamas. we'll be speaking to alaska republican senator dan sullivan where things stand at this moment. >> john: massive anti-israel protests breaking out next to the white house and on college campuses, accusing president biden of helping israel commit genocide. and why they are continuing to allow rampant antisemitism to flourish at their universities.

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>> sandra: anti-israel protests raging across america over the weekend. some protestors vandalizing gates protecting the white house with red paint as you see there on saturday night. many of these protests also took place on college campuses. a number of well think harvard university alums are now taking action against the lack of response to a surge of antisemitism. alexis mcadams joins us now. how exactly are those alums responding? >> a lot of pretty powerful alumni speaking out and what gets the school's attention more money. like bill ackman are blaming the harvard president saying they are going to pull out the money for the rise of antisemitism, saying the university should suspend students if they are taking part in antisemitic events. he is slamming harvard, saying in part, jewish students are being bullied. physically intimidated, spat on

and several widely disseminated videos physically assaulted. and slack messages, antisemitism with memes and messages. dozens of harvard awill you pleases have called the $1 pledge. not give more than a buck to the school because they feel the university has lost its way, and has really had an inadequate response to the october 7th hamas attacks on israel. there they were writing in a pledge that they are committing $one only and for the foreseeable future there. not in sadness, but in hope. >> shame. >> shame. >> just last week, the incident caught on camera at harvard, a jewish student was harassed by a group of pro palestinian protestors. it was reported to the fbi. harvard's president has responded saying the university will not tolerate any activity that violates the safety o