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>> laura: good evening, i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. just 50 days until the iowa caucuses. governor ron desantis is making a stop on the angle. firsts, money for nothing is the focus of tonight's angle. unless you are the son of a president and able to charge $300,000 for art, you know the biden economy, it's in the pits. how is the economy in your estimate? >> horrible. >> the cost of everything is very expensive. >> i just spend more, i spend, but it probably won't buy nearly as much. >> laura: the facts are undeniable.

even the biden-friendly media, from bloomberg, groceries up 35%, rent is only up 20%. from the atlantic houses are unaffordable. rural areas are expensive, suburbs are expensive, cities are expensive, thanks to mortgage rates. increased by 50%. "wall street journal" shows belief in the american dream is dying, just 36% of americans said it is still possible if you work hard, the american dream. 45% said true, but not anymore and 18% said it was never true, double what it was previously.

big drop from the surveys in 2012 and 2018, where freks % still believed overall in the american dream. all of this is bad for democrats, women were more pessimistic and younger people more pessimistic than people over 65. remember, women and young voters are key biden constituencies. americans have good reason to be frustrated. >> we're seeing in gas prices and in the economy and how we spend our money. inflation is impacting people negatively. a dollar is going less than it did last year. >> it costs to wake up everyday. >> bidens numbers are getting weaker. democrats refuse to change their

policies, they refuse to shut the border or cut spending or unleash the energy sector. all they are doing is strategizing. "washington post" reporting a meeting convened with the economic and coms team to turn around the narrative and debunk misleading social media reports, like the one about the $16 big mac on tiktok which circulated last year. the big mac conundrum reflect what officials regard as one of their most vexing challenges ahead of the election and inflation has fallen to manageable 3% and labor market remains strong, voters still don't like the economy. the presidents you have it wrong. from turkey to air travel to

tank of gas, cost went down. people making a lot doesn't matter because costs are relatively small compared to wealthy income. as share of earnings this thanksgiving, dinner was the fourth cheapest ever on record. >> okay. unconvincing, the fourth cheaping? when he falls back on blaming companies that do what all businesses do to stay alive when costs go up, pass increased costs on to consumers. >> president biden: let me be clear, to any corporation that has not brought prices down even as inflation has gone down, it is time to stop the price gouging. give the american consumer a break. >> laura: are his eyes even open in that? spoken from a man who never ran a business in his life or ever had to make a payroll.

when all else fails, blame trump. >> president biden: maga republicans are pushing back. fortunately, we've been able to push back on maga republicans so far. they have not given up. they still want to undo progress we're making. >> laura: junk fees, really? i think he meant regress, not progress. he does not give a darn about what he's done to the country and the bidens won't need to pinch pennies, hunter and jim are making foreign cash and will make sure of that. how has the biden economy affected the holiday of regular americans? americans? >> only buying what people need and not what they want. >> because of the economy. >> yes, because of the economy. everything is high, very expensive. >> laura: biden says everything is cheap this year. he doesn't comport. by the way, to think that the

white house thinks women like that should be happy she must not understand things are great. what happened to the compassion surplus they claim they had. that like everything biden campaigned on was a lifetime achievement next november the voters will finally have the chance to make these arrogant, incompetent and corrupt people pay. and that's the angle. joining me is chris bedford editor at the common sense society and mollie hemingway editor and chief at "the federalist." chris, americans have said this over and over and over again this is not working, this economy. can you hide certain things when you are president. blame other people for so much. but, when people go to the grocery stores and can't walk out for two measly bags of

groceries for under 80 bucks. people have to notice that people have to pull back all of their budgets all over. it's not just a messaging problem. it's a problem with the economy like you said. democrats haven't gotten the slap on the wrist that they expect. they performed beyond what they expected to perform in 2021, and this most recent election, so they don't have the same reasons to really pull back and right now you got a lot of folks completely ideological in that white house saying we need to double down on abortion. we need to double down on dreamers, double down wherever. and everything else will figure itself out. >> laura: taylor lorenz esteemed journalists at "the washington post" believe that bad stories about the economy on social media are what's behind biden's lagging poll numbers. and they glommed on to that big mac cost. cost of a big knack idaho. this was last year tell positive stories of biden's economic stewardship while also work

working with social media platforms to counter misinformation. there we are again. they are doing it in the schools, in places like in new jersey and california, guarding against misinformation in the classroom. and now. this right. they think that propaganda will be the thing that solves this problem for them. as chris was saying. everyone goes to the store. they know how expensive things are. they know they can't afford to sell their house. can't afford to buy a house. >> laura: they can't leave. >> most dramatically what you said in the beginning with this belief that people have that the american dream has been lost. that is really significant. that is something that is so significant that i'm not sure that running propaganda will fix it. having said that, propaganda is very dangerous. the fact that we have a government that openly talks about censoring american speech and doesn't just talk about it but does it, it's a very complex thing that they do. it causes a lot of damage to america. and propaganda does work. it does work in elections. and they do have control over the information airspace. i think republicans should be very concerned about that. >> laura: biden gave this speech

today. and they keep -- i got to say this. they keep sending him out thinking that if biden goes out there and speaks to the people enough that it's going to turn things around. every time they do this, it seems to backfire on them. they did it again today. and he addressed the supply chain -- who is even talking about the supply chain? he addressed that issue. watch. >> i truly believe that 50 years from now historians are taking a look back at this moment, and they look back on the work we are doing to build the economy from the bottom up and the middle out, to strengthen of american supply changes and manufacturing workers all across the country, they are going to say this was the beginning when america won the competition of the 21st century. >> laura: of course he doesn't even sound like he believes that again, he looks like he is sleeping. he doesn't sound like he believes that and the manufacturing index is at one of its lowest levels since the index has been measured and he is talking about american manufacturing coming? what planet is this man living

on. >> he has got all these great american historians like jon meacham. >> esteemed michael trying to spin. this get out of elite places where you live and start talking to new people, michael. > he is the new fdr and invigorate the economy. >> loses all credibility. >> biden was never anyone's first choice. basically pushed onto the democrats because the didn't think that all the other radicals even could possibly stand a chance. enough to you see that reflected in the pollings e is kind of surprised. he has had all these historians coming out saying is he incredible and administration saying is he great. is he losing ground in the polls to trump. young people are abandoning him. the reality is starting to catch up with this white house. >> one of the issues with that, too. he was promised as this moderate calm grandfather lovingly person take you away from the drama of the trump years. there is a lot of drama and matefulness. his hatred toward people who want america to return to former

greatness that hatred is not what we were promised four years ago when he was running. and so people remember what life was like under the trump administration. they remember what it was like economically. they remember what it was like in the foreign policy it i face and they liked that better than what they're going through now. >> laura: which is why they have to do the trump is hitler, trump is stalin, trump is -- this is why they have to do that. >> they have to do that while they are censoring american peach in dramatic and horrific tways and doing it for years while imprisoning political opponents and using hateful dehuman mizeing rhetoric like you saw earlier. >> the republicans for their part are saying their finances dwindle. rnc, i didn't say lagging far behind the dnc in fundraising. ronna was challenged by harmeet dhillon, the state parties all rallied around a lot of the connected republicans rallied to

ronna mcdonnell. nothing personal against ronna mcdaniel and you are a basketball coach and you have this record how long have you going to last on a college basketball team. you would have been booted, correct? >> the ramsey clark had a great week of fund raising when jim jordan was up for speakership and spike when johnson became speaker. the kinded of people who donate to the rnc have looked at this and said what exactly is changing? they look at d.c. and they don't see republicans taking a stand. we are talking about whether or not -- the republicans are talking about whether or not they are going to shut down the government over this or that. >> laura: lawyer it's a loser strategy. the shutting down the government idea when you don't have the votes, mollie. oh you are a rhino, get out of town. that you're somehow a sell-out when you think okay. what are the numbers? what numbers do we have here? what about that? how did that play? >> i actually -- congress is the one area where republican does have control and that is going better than the other parts of the government. in general, i think people look at the republican party and they wonder what are they getting out of it. >> what is the message penal

agree democrats are bad at running things. >> laura: what is the g.o.p. agenda? >> that's what republican also have to answer what are they offering people? particularly as so many americans think that things are going off the rails. they don't see that concern reflected in their leaders in washington, d.c. >> trump's message and have desantis on next segment. his position is similar. shut down the border. we're going to bring this economy back. we're going to unleash the energy sector. gas is going to be $2 a gallon and get rid of push for electric cars. you apt electric car. get it. we're not going to mandate it. >> can do it. >> gas at $2 a gallon. who is not going to vote for that. >> exactly. >> laura: panel, great to see you. a super pac supporting nikki haley has spent millions going after our next guest on the airways in iowa and new hampshire only. well, in moments, florida governor ron desantis will respond. let'

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♪ >> laura: just under 50 days from the first real test of 2024, the iowa caucus. now, trump is leading nationally. we all know by a lot. and is he also leading in iowa. he is at 47% in the hawkeye state, according to the rcp average. his closest competitor is ron desantis of course the governor

of florida. 17%. nikki haley trailing in third with 14. it's not really surprising that hale, because of where these things stand, has turned her sights on desantis. according to one top campaign finance expert, her super pac has spent $3.6 million against the florida governor at $25,000 only against biden and against trump she spent zero. now, as i have said for months, there's trump and then there is everyone else. but there is the battle for number two, and that's between desantis and haley. that's why i offered to host the debate. only one, governor desantis has responded and he accepted. he joins me now. governor, good to see you don't. why do you think nikki haley has not responded yet? a. >> well, she probably wouldn't like what the debate would be about. i think she has taken very, very establishment oriented positions. we know she had the social media

proposal to force everybody to give their names, which we know would be weaponized against conservatives. anybody that's been alive for the last three or four years knows how that censorship regime works. she has also said no limits on immigration, that ceos should determine our immigration policy. no, i think immigration policy should be what's in the best interest of the american people and american workers. she also took the side of disney against the state of florida and against us protecting our kids. we had a debate about making sure that our young kids in elementary school were not subjected to sexualized curriculum and transgender ideology. we were right to stand with the kids. of course, she sided with the corporations. so i think she is just fundamentally out of step with republican voters. i think she is relying on liberal media to prop her up. i'm game for the debate. you know, i will debate any of these folks. i think that's what it is all about. >> laura: i think it would be

interesting and very informative for the viewers and for people out there just kind of want to know more about, you know, who is number two and number three and who should really be in second place at this point. by the way, on that issue of immigration, there was a new report out, governor, by the group doctors without borders, and it said at least 400 female and child migrants making the journey to the u.s. border had been brutalized in so-called rape tents. in october alone, 107 rape survivors, including 59 people in a single week they were treated. the youngest victims were 11, 12, and 16. we know the biden administration they don't care. they don't care about the collateral damage an open border policy. but how would president desantis confront this issue? would you deport people who are here now and to deter people from coming and thus save the

fate of these young women who are being brutalized? >> of course. if there's not a sanction for coming illegally, you are never going to stop the problem. so we'll declare it to be a national emergency on day one. we'll send troops to the border. we'll stop the asylum fraud. we'll do remain in mexico. i'm going to charge fees on foreign remittances to be able to fund construction of the border wall. but, yes, when people come illegally, we are sending them back. we have got 8 million that have come under biden. we need to end is them all back. we don't know who they are. they have come from all around the world. they have come from iran, russia, china, the middle east. there will absolutely be perspective terrorists that have come across. i think there will be a terrorist attack that we will be able to link to our border we also have to understand why do you have sex trafficking and human trafficking at this level? it's because the mexican drug cartels are running the show we are going to categorize them as

a foreign terrorist organization. authorize the use of military force. they are evading our country and committing serious crimes. they are killing tens of thousands of our citizens by bringing fentanyl. that's going to every community in the country. it's not just border communities. i have met so many angel moms over the last year, year and a half who have lost a child. usually a high school or college-aged kid to drug -- basically being poisoned and may take a pill that's laced with fentanyl and then that's it. and they die. we have got to stop this. >> laura: governor bob vander plaats, i know, iowa faith leader he gave you his endorsement which is coveted in the state. now there are questions surrounding the money he received from groups linked to your campaign. he was asked about this last week on "special report." watch. >> desantis campaign, super pac linked to him a nonprofit group supporting him together paid $95,000 in recent months to the family leader foundation. according to the campaign

finance reports is that not true or that's true? >> well, it's definitely true. i would encourage everybody to read the article. everything we do is above board. >> laura: governor, the allegations obviously or the inference would be it was like it a pay to play to get an endorsement. you have a chance to clear that up. well, the pac i don't control as you know, but they paid for advertising. so it's a very influential group of evangelicals in iowa. they have hosted a number of major events. they had a summer event. we just had the thanksgiving forum. so they are paying to be able to be in programs and to be able to advertise the candidacy. and that happens, that's frequently happened. but bob vander plaats' endorsement is not for sale. he has got a great reputation. he has become a friend of casey and me along the way. is he very influential in iowa. it's a scurrilous charge. it's without merit. and if somebody endorses somebody other than you, you don't always have to lash out and attack the person it's a

primary. people can have endorsements in this. it's not always interior motive. the endorsements bob vander plaats out of bounds just as the endorsement kin reynolds have been out of bounds. >> laura: you are racking up a lot of faith endorsements. and nikki haley i have tweeted it out or is it xed it out now? big donors are turning out to haley now. i actually think that's not a bad thing for you. i actually think that says a lot, to me, about why they think she, you know, should get the money or she should get the nod from them. what does that tell you and does it concern you regarding your own finances? >> no. we are doing very well. we con sis lently outpaced in her and continue to do it. but, i think what it shows is i have consistently proven that i will do what i think is right regardless of what donors say.

we have taken on disney. we have taken on big pharma. we took on the sugar industry in florida when we did our everglades plan. i have been able to do that. and my view is let the chips fall where they may. do what you think is right. don't twist yourself in a pretzel to try to kowtow to people for donations. by the way a lot of the folks on wall street have policy positions that are just anathema to the american people. you will not win an election in this country, nationwide, if you are adopting their platform. i think we have seen that with republicans who have tried to do that in the past. so i'm doing what i think is right. i think we will end up being much better off for that throughout this process. >> laura: governor, finally, a question i asked my previous panel. disturbing numbers coming out of fundraising from the rnc as compared to their democrat counterpart organization are you concerned under the leadership of ronna mcdaniel that the party is not raising what they need to raise to help in some of these other races across the

country? now obviously nationally as well? >> well, we will be able to fix that as the nominee just like did i in florida. we created a juggernaut in the state of florida. when i became governor, we had 300,000 more registered democrats than republicans. we never had more r's than d's in florida history. now, after five years. we have 670,000 more registered republicans. we took a swing state, we turned it into a red state with a 20-point victory. when you produce leadership and success, all the fundraising issues solve themselves. >> laura: that's a question, governor. >> you need somebody who is leading the charge, like i did in florida, who going to inspire people to want to support the effort. because they see that your vision is going in the right direction. >> laura: so no change? so you think there should be no change at the rnc? >> well, no,. >> it's working out well? >> i called for change after the midterms. i was the only presidential candidate running that called for change.

i wasn't running at the time. but we have lost all these elections in a row. why are we continuing to do it. as the nominee, i will be responsible for doing it. and i will get the job done, regardless of who the chairman of it is. i led the drive in florida. i'll lead the drive nationally. we can do it. we just need leadership. >> laura: we need a republican party that has a message beyond just, you know, biden bad. governor, great to see you. thank you so much. now, as the truce between israel and hamas is extended. ugly scenes continue to play out in european capitals and even in the halls of some american high schools. those disturbing details, next. ♪ hey, i just got a text from my sister. you remember rick, her neighbor? sure, he's the 76-year-old guy who still runs marathons, right? sadly, not anymore. wow. so sudden. um, we're not about to have the "we need life insurance" conversation again, are we?

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>> laura: that temporary cease-fire between israel and hamas was extended two more days

as additional hostages have been released. for more we are going live to tel aviv where fox news jeff paul is standing by. jeff? >> yeah, lawrence. two big developments tonight. you have this group of 11 hostages the latest group to be released by hamas now back here in israel getting treatment at local hospitals. yes, you have this two day extension of the temporary cease-fire between israel and hamas as both sides agree to continue exchanging israeli hostages for palestinian prisoners. but these last few days have not been without delays and issues. and the israeli government has long said that nothing is guaranteed until it happens. but, nonetheless, qatari mediators who have actually been to israel to continue negotiating on both sides saying that they have agreed to get both sides to do a two day extension of that temporary cease-fire israel had previously said they would do one extra additional charge for 10 additional hostages released. keep in i understand moo the idf

has also planned to continue its military campaign to root out hamas. as it stands 11 more israeli hostages are now back in israel. nine of them kids. the youngest just three years old. the other two, mothers, just a day before, 14 israelis made that same journey back to israel. where they now join 26 others israelis released in previous days they are in after spending seven weeks of darkness of hamas tunnels. there are more than 100 hostages being held by hamas. the families of those being rescued say no one is stopping until everyone gets home. >> if there is one feeling that i'm certain of, it's determination. for the struggle to continue and we see all of them back home. >> we know more aid trucks did make it into gaza. that is good on that front. we're also learning that more

palestinian prisoners were released today as part of that agreement. laura? >> jeff, thank you so much. and meanwhile here in the united states, thousands of anti-israel protesters have taken to the streets european capitols, we are seeing the video demanding a cease-fire condemning israel even denying in some of these european protests hamas' octobe. now in london, according to metro police they set off flairs, they passed out nazi paraphernalia. according to the evening standard some allegedly had hand bands believed to be used to express support for hamas. of course in america we are not immune to this ugliness either. last week in queens, new york hundreds of students at hillcrest high school stormed through the hallways serving for a teacher who had attend woulded a pro-israel rally. according to a "new york post" kids ran amok, jumping, shouting, forcing the educator

to hide in a locked office as the teen mob tried to push its way into her classroom. joining me now director of heritage margaret thatcher center for freedom nile, the vile activity is now being seen on both sides ever the atlantic. and i kept thinking when i saw this report i kept thinking what if these were some, you know, maga supporting kids or pro-life kids who saw something posted by a teacher that was pro-abortion what do you think they would be saying on mess npc and other cases? >> you have basically lawlessness in a new york city high school and the mayor of new york, of course, does absolutely nothing at all. on both sides of the atlantic, we are seeing horrific anti-semitism, hate marches, especially on the streets of london. we are seeing literally tens of thousands of islamists taking to

the streets every single weekend in london spreading anti-semitism, hatred,. >> normalizing teasm. isn't it menacing marches. afraid of what is happening. the police do very little. the british government does absolutely nothing at all. many of these marches are actually linked to hamas individuals, in fact, hamas linked organizations have been behind some of the protests in london supporting bhar enter recidivism and savagery. >> laura: saying those are fake reports burned babies beyond recognition. i want to play a comment on one of these protesters in london. watch this creation of israel to begin with. declaration. so, because of this, we try and

control [inaudible] >> laura: protesters blame the west. >> these protesters not only hate israel. they hate great britain, they hate the united states. they hate western civilization. >> laura: they move to these areas. i remember you coming on radio show all these years ago and talked about influx of individuals from places where political islam is it. that's the be all and end all. we spoke about it. this was probably 15 years ago. >> yeah. exactly. we have had islamist migrants refugees coming into the west. now spreading islamist ideology and in many cases these demonstrations are occupations of the centers of london and other citizen in europe. it's an appalling state of affairs. actually. absolutely unacceptable and outrageous. and we are seeing the spread of

immense hatred on the streets. it's a terrible situation. >> laura: i would say we invited it. when we invited this idea. diversity is it. only thing that matters is diversity. that's all that matters. we didn't think about the consequences. nile, great to see. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> laura: socialists are gathering. special place this week. we will tell you about it. where is it? what is happening there?

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>> one of the things come out. people behaving with greater urgency. raise the goals and do faster what we need to do. there is no running away no. way escaping responsibility. >> greta v greta thunberg's gra. it's the u.n.'s yearly climb conference. they have world leaders, diplomats, journos. activists fueling up private jets and chart ago course for dubai where on wednesday they are going to lay out their plans for how they can better control your life. first up, what you eat. according to bloomberg, the world's most developed nations will be told to curb their

excessive appetite for meat as part of the first comprehensive plan to bring the global agri food industry into line with the paris climate agreement. joining me now steve milloy for the energy and environment legal institute. former trump member of the epa transition team. steve, what's really going on here? let's focus on meat and then we will get to fossil fuels. they be on saysed with meat production. what's that really about. >> they imagine that meat production is responsible for 20% of the global warming that is happening. of course, that's not true but they don't really care. you know, they have been after every aspect of our lives. everything -- where we work. what we eat. what we drive. what kind of electricity we use. all these things. every aspect of our lives. all the way down to what kind of toilet paper you use. they want to tell us what to do. >> laura: they are never going to give up meat, just like during covid they never gave up fancy dinners at the french laundry. they didn't stop traveling to the bahamas, where their

vacation homes are. they are never going to give up meat. they want regular people to have less and be happy with less and have fewer choices, correct? >> of course, the elites like john kerry are never going to give up jet travel, their meat, al gore said he wasn't going to give up cheeseburgers but they expect us to. they expect us to give up everything for the climate. they don't really care. they get a pass a. >> laura: do cows and goats and sheep, what is it that flatulence? is that what causes. >> methane. methane is irrelevant to climate but they don't care. >> laura: steve according to the guardian today. antonio gutierrez has called fossil fuel production the poisonous root of the climate crisis and that should be dismantled and that you heard john kerry, we have to get the urgency to dismantle it and they are mad that the united states this year has actually had more fossil fuel oil and gas production than we have ever had. >> sure, we have record fossil fuel production now. >> even under biden.

>> the whole world. this scam is 35 years old. we are burning more fossil fuel than ever before. emissions are up 50% since 19 # 8 when the climate hoax began. it's just not -- this is not a bad emissions. it's about control. over that 35-year period, you know, we missions have gone way up, so has their control. they don't care about emissions, ultimately they just want to control how we live. >> laura: that goes with the evs. ban the sale of gas powered cars in 2035. california is doing it. even virginia has provisions. that's going to steam roll. >> they hate cars. because cars give us freedom. okay? so he they're going to make us reliant on china for cars. you can't build an ev. >> laura: our car industry is gone, is it not. >> our car industry is gone if we do the ev route. >> they are totally dependent on china. as soon as china evades taiwan and we say anything that will be end the cars. >> laura: get rid of tariffs. is nothing sacred? a man strips down, crawls through an iconic disney

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>> laura: it's time for seen and unseen, we turn to raymond arroyo. you spy a cultural trend moving to the holiday season. >> raymond: it seems no corner of the culture is safe from crudeness and vile behavior, even disneyland on sunday while park goers sat in a boat and a goer left his clothes behind. ♪ ♪ >> please sit down. >> oh, he's going to break all the stuff. >> oh, my god, he's going to fall, dude.

>> raymond: from there, the streaker showed how small his world is and waited out of the ride fully naked, laura. if you take all your clothes off, why choose it's a small world? you might be able to justify. who strips down in front 've children at disney world. the man was under the influence of a controlled substance. >> laura: let's keep legalizing drugs, it is working out well. a lot of jokes with the small, too easy. his world was very small. >> raymond: the permissiveness in drug use, people have no shame temperature is disgraceful. even christmas is profane. if you have been to the movie, two holiday slashers on the big screen.

thanksgiving, about a maniac carving people during thanksgiving and it's a wonderful knife, a slasher spin on the classic. i saw posters and thought they were a joke, they're not, they're real. >> laura: sounds like a joke. >> raymond: this is cultural decay, you can't make uplifting or joyous movies around the holiday, maiming and death. >> laura: i'd like to be surprised by this, i'm not surprised at all, not surprised by the flasher and it's a small world. remember i got stuck on it's a small world, 45 minutes, still scarred. puppets moving, dizzy 45 minutes. i think i texted you from the ride. defiling, disrespecting, of course they are. of course. and now in wisconsin, speaking

of satanic temple, there is a satanic temple, satanic worship tree at national railroad museum in wisconsin. people are furious, ceo told a local nbc affiliate, some are praising their inclusivity. >> raymond: this is the problem, laura. it is not inclusive. this is indulging and indulging people who want to defame and derive religious practice and expression. it's christmas, that is not your arena about satan or hail whatever you hang on your christmas tree thchl is a private entity, they should have kept them out. these are christmas trees, if you don't want christmas trees, don't have any trees. vote with your feet and stay

away from the museum. disturbing piece, clinical psychologist named linda blair claim bad for your report. >> clinical psychologist says christmas songs are detrimental to your mental health, do you agree with that? >> never detrimental for anything. >> gives you hope in christ, i'm walking around and want to feel the joy and love. >> puts the spirit in for the holiday. >> having children in a family and having that playing around a home, they naturally are happier. keep in mind spirit of the san, it is about christ. >> laura: that's nice. >> raymond: some grinches want to extinguish anything that has a whiff of god or faith about it and yeah, christmas songs,

christ, mass, they are filled, they touch the divine and are filled with it and that is why they have lasted all these centuries and why we continue to sing the same songs, they are a source of joy and we need a lot of it. >> laura: when we were beginning to do our tree last night, people can go on my instagram and see what i was listening to when we were decorating our tree. nico is like, who is this, mommy, great band and nico said, that sounds lyci like raymond, phenomenal, it is fantastic gchl to instagram and see the thou

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