it and say the elastic is too tight and then return it. and favorite one, a pot roast. buy the raw pot roast, cook it, eat half of it and take it back and say it was tough. >> who thinks about that stuff? >> i'm not going to return anything, because i love my family and i don't want to get kicked out when i go back home. actually, i have a chronic issue with returning things in general, even when i online shop, it is too much work to have to go to the post office and drop it off that i just cut my losses. >> griff has not been home yet for christmas. and we have to leave it there. thank you to everyone so much for watching this special edition of "outnumbered." don't forget to dvr the show. here is "america reports" coming up. >> you have to move back! [bleep] [bleep]

>> look what you did. that's assault, that's assault, that's assault, that's assault. >> stop, stop, stop! >> hundreds of anti-israel protestors turning christmas celebrations sour. several arrested in new york city after they allegedly attacked police officers and harassed tourists in an effort to ruin the holiday. hello, i'm jonathan hunt in los angeles. >> great to be with you, i'm rich edson in new york. chants of christmas is canceled and long live the intifada heard throughout the streets of midtown manhattan, and they may try to disrupt the iconic ball drop on new year's eve. >> jonathan: rabbi is standing

by on how concerning the hate-filled scenes are for jewish americans. >> rich: alexis with the latest. >> this has been going on for weeks, not a surprise to people in new york but still continues to happen. at least six arrested as they tried to keep the crowd under control but things got out of hand. watch this. that was just one of the issues going on. you can see the crowd clashing with police. people were arrested on a variety of charges, including disorderly conduct, at least six arrested. one police officer was injured. the mayor of new york city says hundreds of protests since october 7th attacks by hamas. he just commented on the chaos from christmas night. >> all you need is a small pocket of people like you saw yesterday that can disrupt a peaceful protest, and they are there to go, they go for one

reason, to disrupt. >> as organizers were calling to cancel christmas, targeting the busiest areas of the city. midtown, a blood-red mock nativity scene calling for an uprising, stopping traffic and tourists were in town for the holiday. >> no celebration. >> until liberation. >> it was not just happening in new york city, it was also in d.c. at the home of white house national security adviser jake sullivan, early morning visit there, and in virginia, the home of lloyd austin had protestors there, they are accusing them of being complicit in the genocide of palestinian people. it's going to continue for more weeks, more planned protests in new york and d.c. are popping up, so they will keep an close eye on it.

>> rich: great to have you. jonathan. >> jonathan: rabbi mens, and this is as alexis was saying is going on everywhere. it's a coast to coast issue. talked about new york and d.c. here in l.a., protests shutting down the beverly center. how concerned is the jewish american community? >> very concerned. you have to realize on october 6th -- seven when we were attacked in israel, october 8th it's going on. this is a concerted plan by those that want to not only destroy all the jews out of israel, but coming after the big also, and starting to realize, we call them peaceful protesting. peaceful protesting, stay on the sidewalk and let customers still go into the stores. you are blocking off streets, tying up the city. we are here -- they are coming here to destroy what is

important to us. saw what they did on the thanksgiving day parade, they got away with it. now the christmas lighting tree, we can get away with it. >> jonathan: rabbi, it strikes me a lot of the people on the streets are young people, college campuses as well. what do you say to these young people, supposedly educated people, they don't seem to understand, it seems to me, the geopolitics of the situation. it's more like it's the trendy smart thing to do in their view right now. how do you explain the situation to these young people? >> you use the word supposedly educated. and the reason i say that, what is taught in some many ivy league colleges. not only that happening, but everybody is going to say look what the jews are doing, what the jews are doing, they are killing, killing, killing, and people go like this, i don't like it so i'm going to stand with you. why aren't they trying to find out the whole story is because

there's only 60 seconds to tiktok. only 30 seconds to your instagram. it's easier to awaken hate than it is to convince goodness. >> jonathan: is the war in gaza, 20,000 casualties, 20,000 people killed, according to the hamas-run health ministry, it is a lot. we see the images from gaza. is it difficult for israel to argue that this is proportionate and does that feed into what these people are able to say and do and the young minds that they are able to persuade? >> the p.r. is not good at all. israeli p.r. is not good. they should be screaming, where is the world to open up the border, let the people of gaza out. why are they sitting there and being used as human shields. now, you say that there is 20,000 people killed, you say you see the pictures, we have seen it many times. they show a lot of people dead

with the white sheets over them and then cut, and get out of the sheets. you don't really know what's being seen. does that mean people are not being killed in gaza, they are. are they innocent people, i'm sure. america bombed japan, bomb berlin, innocent people. but you cannot allow a nazi, the kamikaze, the evil of hamas to continue. >> jonathan: and briefly, rabbi, how does an organization like hamas win the propaganda war, how. >> very simple. the people in gaza have sesame street palestinian style. somebody -- your parents get $25,000 but you go to heaven and you are a martyr. and that's the milk you drink from the day you are born it's easy to go and have a generation of such haters. i, the jew, in their eyes, they would love to kill.

now why? because that's what i heard my whole life. it takes a lot of time to be able to brainwash them out of what they are brought up to believe. >> jonathan: let's hope we can stop that process in 2024. >> rich: u.s. war planes struck three sites in iran linked to militias, after three are injured in northern iraq. the latest of a series of attacks in the region. trey yingst is live in tel aviv, israel. >> trey: overnight president biden ordered the u.s. military to strike series of targets of iran-backed groups inside iraq. three separate locations were hit, destroyed and likely a number of kataib hezbollah militants killed, in response to

a drone attack against the erbil air base. three americans were injured, one critically, the total number of attacks to 103 since mid october and comes as israeli forces are on high alert after an airstrike in syria killed sayyed razi mousavi, they say it's an act of zionist regime interest in the region it will certainly pay the price. and new attacks from southern lebanon into northern israel conducted by hezbollah, a spokesperson for the israeli government had this to say. >> anti-tank missile attack just recently on the greek orthodox church, injuring a civilian in israel, reminder that for hezbollah and the iranian puppet masters nothing is sacred. there is no going back. either hezbollah retreats as

part of an effective diplomatic solution, our preferred option, or we will push it back ourselves using military force. >> trey: real concern across the region of a broader conflict with iran. part of the reason a top adviser to prime minister benjamin netanyahu is in washington meeting with the biden administration about the next steps in gaza and how they will affect the entire region. rich. >> rich: trey, thank you, and you know, jonathan, the administration is trying to prevent a broader conflict. more than 100 attacks on american service members, and now one critically injured, it is extremely difficult to thread the needle in that region. >> jonathan: it's getting harder and harder, as soon as you get a critical injury to any american service person, that ups the ante and interesting to see how it plays out. it's a tough end of 2023, rich, how 2024 plays out in that

region is going to be critical to watch. we'll have dan hoffman, by the way, former cia station chief later in this hour talking about all of this. it will be fascinating to get his thoughts. meanwhile, most of the country did not get a white christmas this year, but there is now a massive blizzard making its way across the heartland. how will it impact your holiday travel plans. >> rich: more stunning images from the border as another caravan makes its way north. wait until you hear how many migrants crossed over the weekend, and reaction from a former acting ice director next. >> we have seen the consequences of fentanyl trafficking, human trafficking and no reason at this point to have any confidence that joe biden actually wants to secure the border.

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>> first christmas that we spent away from home and not in the best way as we expected to give the best to our children. but this time it is our turn and here we are doing our best and going ahead as god is helping us. >> i was used to my christmas dinner with the family, not spending it in the street as we did yesterday. >> rich: sources tell fox news more than 35,000 migrants have crossed into the united states since friday, and more than 250,000 since the start of the month. now another migrant caravan, the largest in 18 months, top officials are set to travel to mexico tomorrow for border

talks. jonathan, former acting director of immigration and custom enforcement. we heard two examples there, there are thousands of examples of people saying the same things, sleeping on the ground, spending weeks at their own personal danger to come here, how do you stop that, how do you prevent that? >> i think the way you prevent that, this administration needs to enforce the law and make it clear that if you come here illegally you will not be able to enter, but unfortunately this administration has done everything they can to encourage illegal immigration and you know, by saying it's easy to get in, falsely claim asylum and once you are here you will never be deported absent the most extraordinary circumstances. the migrants here, open borders and amnesty and they are right. as long as they are hearing that and that's the policy, this is not going to change and really is a human tragedy on the border and on the way to the border but

this administration frankly doesn't care. >> rich: antony blinken and mayorkas are headed to mexico city to meet with the mexican president, what are they hoping to accomplish and what's mexico's interest to work with the united states to prevent these types of caravans coming through their country. >> i think what they are trying to accomplish, a pretense that they are taking the issue seriously that they want it to stop. but the responsibility for this is not mexico's, it's ours. so the idea we should ask mexico to do something, and the retort, wait, you don't deport people, you encourage people to come, you demonize as to how it affects americans, everything boils down to a point of faith this administration will enforce the law in good faith, they have not done in three years, it's a

pretense, if they look like they can do something and pass the buck to the republicans saying they need comprehensive solution, it might be politically viable for them. but nothing will happen out of this. >> rich: the cartels are making serious money as well and either economic effects. united states crossed two rail border crossings because cbp was so busy processing migrants. how much more of an impact could this be and do the border crossing closures force mexico to act in any way? >> you would think that would be mexico's incentive, they want this commerce between the united states and mexico to continue and so do we, because it harms our citizens and their citizens when it's shut down. so they have an incentive to help but do we have the incentive, the will to force the law. consequences are not just on the

border, you know, as eric adams frequently points out in new york city, the cost to the american people, our schools, housing, all these other types of issues that are quite expensive and do not go away once people get here, they continue on and on to cost american people tax dollars and other services. >> rich: and you are hearing it from the democrats in the cities that are overwhelmed. how much do you think it's influence the conversations the senate is having, negotiations on more money for the border and border-changing policies? >> they have really -- you have to give eric adams some credit. he's brought this issue to the forefront i think unwittingly but he's talking about the cost of it, and as long as illegal immigrants go to new york and other cities they are going to cost their taxpayers so i think there is some pressure for some

action on this issue, but unfortunately again you come down to a point of faith this administration has to do what they are supposed to do, which is faithfully execute the law and we have not seen this from the head of homeland security or anyone in this administration, it's actually been the opposite the entire time. >> rich: former acting ice director jonathan fahey. thank you for joining us. >> jonathan: high interest rates and mortgage rates are making it almost impossible for home buyers to break into the market. will it get any easier in the new year. >> rich: overwhelming majority of voters remain pessimistic on bidenomics and you won't believe who the president is trying to blame on this one. the panel is here next. >> if you want to buy a new home instead of paying $1,800 a month on the mortgage with you i would pay under the trump policies, now $3,500 a month. so, these are huge -- putting a

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>> i feel ok, but again, it's not everyone in the same boat i am. >> inflation affects everybody differently but the most part inflation is up and down. >> i still have a lot of concerns about inflation. groceries are outrageous, gas is outrageous, it's coming down a bit now but it's a crunch. people really need to budget what they are doing because of the inflation. >> jonathan: americans as you can hear are still not pleased with bidenomics, as the special edition of "america reports" continues. now the president appears to be blaming the media when a reporter asked about his economic outlook heading into 2024, president biden had this to say. >> about the economy, sir, what's your outlook on the economy next year? >> all about. take a look. start reporting it the right

way. >> jonathan: bring in our panel, a former digital organizer for hillary clinton presidential campaign, doug collins, a former republican congressman from georgia. great to have you both here. let me start with you, kiven, the president is saying we are looking at the wrong polls. call me badly red, but i have not seen any that show him doing well, and the gallup post recent 1, 68% of americans say the economy is getting worse. only 28% say it's getting better. so we are not reporting incorrect news, we are reporting what the american people feel, kiven. >> absolutely, i think there are polls that show joe biden winning, the first week of december, four national poll, all of which showed biden ahead. somehow does not earn the media coverage that the doom and gloom polls for democrats earn. i think similarly on the

economy, it's one thing to report what voters feel and what the facts are. the facts show economists agree on a number of indicators the economy is strong. record job growth, inflation under control, unemployment at historic lows. i think the president is right to point out some inconsistency on the facts versus the dealings. >> doug, kiven is correct on some of the economic indicators, things do seem to be getting better in some way. is this just a question, doug, of a lag in people's feelings from the way the numbers are moving? >> no, i don't think so, and look, you can talk about economic indicators, that's higher level talk than the people on main street who are actually paying bills and stuff like food, clothing, bacon, eggs, milk, those things. when inflation went up those prices stayed up, and the energy

costs went up. they are still higher than when joe biden came in and the reality for people seeing the economy and interesting enough to discount polls, to discount reporting, but it is becoming evident even among mainstream media that does cover the president very well and credit to most everything he does, they are acknowledging the fact most americans are not happy with the way the economy is for them. here is the issue. you can cite statistics on all you want but the perception is the reality and the reality for most, they are paying more and they feel it every time they go out. >> kaivan, do you see the numbers shifting significantly over the next few months? this is becoming critical for president biden as we move into the election year and as doug says, people's feelings matter. that's what they vote on. >> they certainly do but i think asking how they came to that perception is a fair question

and i do think we'll see the numbers shift. we have already seen some positive confidence in the economy in recent weeks, and i expect that to grow, as the white house tells this story of their economic wins. and i will say, you know, for republicans to act so concerned about inflation, which the fact show is down and under control, the inflation reduction act, which everyone of collins' former colleagues voted against, frankly, it worked. i think economists on both sides are saying the election reduction act was smart policy that worked, inflation is down, let's go tell that story. >> jonathan: kaivan, can you say it worked if people don't believe it worked, if the polls show? >> the president's point, why don't people believe it worked if the data shows it works. and joe biden criticizing media coverage of one particular narrative saying the facts don't align with this narrative versus what donald trump has done, call the media the enemy of the

people. say he'll be a dictator on day one and weaponize the government to get retribution against journalists he disagrees with. so, we should not conflate those two stories in any way. >> jonathan: doug, as we move towards 2024 t, obviously, i would be remiss not to talk iowa, the caucuses coming up in about three weeks now, a little less than that, actually, where do you see this going for president trump? he's got this huge lead right now. is he going to hold on to that as the legal issues pile up? >> yes, because look, i think donald trump will win iowa, i think probably win new hampshire and i think it's going to be coming from a close, from right now from all the polling and indicators are saying at this point. desantis has quit spending money in iowa, barely hanging on, nikki haley's only hope is in new hampshire, that's the

interesting point. one of the reason donald trump is doing so well, what was just talked about on the economy and to my other colleague's point, he's entitled to his opinion but not facts. joe biden has been talking about how great the inflation reduction act and everything and bidenomics is for the last year. here is the interesting part. in those processes when you start and cause inflation and then you bring it down, people don't buy it as regular. when you put money into the system which spiked inflation, even liberal economists said would happen and then issues to bring it down, you affect other people in the economy. housing market is suffering, people cannot get affordable housing and you are seeing the problem. so, donald trump back to a time with low unemployment and better inflation and a better economy and that's what's driving this narrative. >> jonathan: doug, kaivan, headed for an interesting 11

months toward the presidential election. rich, over to you. >> rich: with all of that, a rough year for home buyers, mortgage rates at record highs. a new report finds housing affordability plummeted to the lowest level on record. jeff flock is live in mount prospect, illinois, a look at what lies ahead in 2024. jeff, what can we expect? >> good to see you, in a home in the chicago suburbs that sold in a few days, it's tough to be a home buyer. >> it is, super challenging right now. >> take a look at the latest numbers today from kay schiller, they keep track of home prices. up again in october, i thought the prices were coming down, weren't they? >> we thought so too and they keep inching upwards. >> got you. in addition, because of the prices, you have people that just can't afford to get into this market. red fin does a survey, doing it

about ten years of affordability of homes. they say in 2023 only 15% of the homes were affordable. >> yes, and so challenging in the median market that are buying at the very top of their buying power. >> yeah, yeah. take a look the raw numbers, rich. in 2023, 350,000 homes were considered to be affordable for somebody with a median income. that is almost half of what it was the year before. i mean, just was a lot of inventory out there before, it does not exist now. >> that's true. and with people that are struggling to buy homes with the interest rates going up, they are stuck. >> yeah, no way to do it. you staged this home but you almost don't need to stage these days, right. they go so fast. >> they do, and as long as you can get a few people in to see it hopefully picked up right away. >> i leave you with a little good news, regard to interest

rates, they are high but went down, they were over 7%, down to 6.88% last week. so i guess it could be worse. where it goes from here, we don't know. back to you. >> rich: feels like we were just 2.5 to 3%. how many is inventory playing into this? d.c. and other markets, you have really, really low inventory, and that's driving housing prices up, right? >> right, i have a broker i've worked with for years in chicago and he did not have any listings and he recommended rebekah to come because you at least have some listings. >> i have at least a couple. >> if you have a 2, 3% interest rate, why would you sell your home and get into 7, 8%. makes sense. >> if you are 2.5 or 3% you are staying, and if you have to leave, you are probably renting. jeff flock from a living room,

sometimes a boat, sometimes a wind tunnel. great to see you. >> thanks, man. >> jonathan: mortgage rates down from 7 to 6.88 is cold comfort. 20 days to go to the iowa caucuses. nikki haley appears to be picking up momentum. will it be enough to challenge former president donald trump. the "wall street journal" james freeman will be here to break down the race. >> rich: retaliatory airstrikes from the united states capping off a hectic 36 hours in the middle east. is it enough to deter iran and proxies or only embolden them further? we will ask former cia station chief dan hoffman, coming up next.

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>> rich: a busy 36 hours in the middle east. president biden ordering a christmas day strike against an iranian-backed terror group in iraq, after three american troops were injured, including one critically in a drone attack just hours earlier. also comes as iran is threatening to wipe out tel aviv as they blame israel for the assassination of a top iranian general in syria. dan hoffman, former cia station chief and fox news contributor. dan, when you look at the thousands of troops in the

middle east, more than 100 attacks since the middle of october, the u.s. is trying to avoid a larger conflict here but we have to do something to deter the attacks. what is the u.s. doing wrong, what can it do better? >> yeah, we have not done enough to deter the attacks, 100 attacks since october 7th, but really these attacks have been going on for years and never really been able to deter iran from using the proxy terrorists in the region to target us with impunity. we are not targeting the terrorists themselves and launch sites and networks. only about 2500 troops in syria and iraq taking the fight to isis and have not established the deterrence to ensure the servicemen and women would be able to operate there out of harm's way and the risk is we are going to have some casualties and i just -- we shouldn't be waiting that long

to reestablish deterrence. >> rich: the administration has said the attacks against service members and contractors in iraq and syria are not necessarily related to the u.s. support of israel, say it's iran-backed militia not wanting the u.s. presence there. how much of the escalation do you think has to do with the support of israel? >> i think it's iran's strategy to use the proxy terrorists against us. iran does not want a direct confrontation with the united states or israel for that matter, but they are perfectly fine using lebanese hezbollah, houthi in yemen, they say iran is leading the fight against u.s. and israel, trying to dial up the kinetic pressure on us to the point they don't cross a red line and results in a wider war

that probably neither of us wants. but they are succeeding right now and we are allowing them to do that. >> rich: you could just, you know, continue dispatching your proxies and then just put your hands up and walk away when the american service member is critically injured. you mentioned the houthis and they have posed a risk to shipping in the red sea. do you see that continuing? does that get worse and how does the u.s. stop that from escalating? >> that's the same type of situation. they have forced commercial shipping to take a long route around the horn of africa, driving up the cost of oil and driving up insurance rates for the shipping, they have targeted most any military vessel in the red sea as well. again in yemen, it's about intelligence collection, about determining where the networks are, and where the launch sites are so that we can launch attacks preemptively. if we could show we could do that, if we did that on occasion, then we might be able

to reestablish some deterrence. if we don't do that, we are seeding the battlefield to the terrorists, and impact on the global economy and strategically on the u.s. place in the middle east and most importantly of all, on our servicemen and women in the gulf operating there. >> rich: dan, turning to china, a report out of the "wall street journal" the chinese government is using artificial intelligence to turbo charge their spying capabilities against the united states and the west. how much of a risk is that? >> it's a huge risk and china is mounting full throttle to steal the chip technology critical to artificial intelligence and seeking to download as much big data as they can. remember that they hacked into the office of personnel management and they stole personal data from marriott

hotel industries and microsoft exchange last year. they want to collect the big data. that's how they power their police state in china is how they can gather millions of bites of personal information about the united states. we need to recognize in our country that cyber attacks don't occur at a cold start. the intelligence community needs to map out and disrupt chinese attacks and work with the private sector to ensure those under siege from chinese espionage have a really robust insider threat program. >> rich: dan hoffman always with terrific insight. thanks for joining us this afternoon. >> happy boxing day, everyone. >> jonathan: a violent holiday weekend in chicago as shootings, stabbings and more cast a dark shadow over the windy city. what city leaders are saying in response. >> rich: police calls to congresswoman marjorie taylor

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to people inside their homes. steve is live in atlanta and steve, do police believe these two incidents are related? >> steve: at this point, local police as well as capital police are investigating whether there is a connection, brandon williams from new york, police there were falsely told there was an active shooting going on at his house, multiple officers were immediately dispatched to the scene. williams later posting on social media, thankful for law enforcement, working today and every day, five cars responded to our home. the deputies and troopers were polite, professional and prompt, god bless them. and also marjorie taylor greene, republican from here in georgia also swatted on christmas day, the eighth time greene's house has been targeted by a false call to the police. she expressed sympathy with the police who were disturbed,

posting my local police are the greatest and shouldn't have to deal with this. a new york man was sentenced to three months in prison this summer for multiple threats against greene's home and office. jonathan, back to you. >> jonathan: steve, thank you very much. rich. >> rich: treacherous weather conditions hit the midwest. what it means for holiday travelers heading home. >> jonathan: plus 6,000 migrants forming a huge caravan that is marching north toward the u.s. border. former acting ice director tom homan will tell us if he thinks mexico will help the biden administration get the growing crisis under control. dad and i finally had that talk. no, not that talk. about what the future looks like. for me. i may have trouble getting around, but i want to live in my home where i'm comfortable and my friends are nearby. i can do it with the help of a barber, personal shopper and exercise buddy.

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>> good time to be a hair stylist or a plumber, breaks down what professions saw the most wage growth in the united states over the past year. hair stylist and customer service rep, 22% increase. master plumbers, auto body workers and job coaches round out the top five. they all saw 21% increases and jonathan, good to see the hair stylist finally getting their due. >> jonathan: i saw personal trainers were in that survey, i was thinking maybe my second career if this does not work out and then i realize nobody aspires to have this many chins, that's out for me, rich. not the christmas morning one north carolina dad was hoping for. woke up at 3:00 in the morning only to find his 3-year-old son had unwrapped every present under the tree. he says the boy claimed he had to open the presents so no one

was confused about what was inside. luckily his siblings were still in bed and the parents were able to rewrap some of the gifts and salvage some christmas magic. ah, it's all about the children, rich. christmas. >> rich: it really is. kids need to explore and i think he really showed some gusto there, go for him. >> jonathan: absolutely, i'm with you. >> rich: blinding snow and freezing rain in the central united states, hazardous travel conditions as millions of americans head home from the holiday and christmas. katie burn reporting for fox weather. hey, katie. >> hey, rich. yeah, this is going to end up being a cross country storm. it's already bringing all kinds of winter weather to the plains and tragically a woman in her 80s died in a car crash in kansas because of it. a passenger in a car, the driver lost control because of these icy, snowy conditions.

and we are really still dealing with them in the region. we have a combination of a lot of snow coming down pretty quickly and then a lot of strong winds coming down, as strong as 50 miles per hour at times. nebraska state patrol, they responded to more than 100 weather-related incidents on christmas day, and as the storm now moves east it's bringing icy conditions to north dakota, leading to road closures, power outages, and travel advisories. the storm is going to keep heading towards us and keep transitioning from snow to ice to more of a wintry mix of sleet and freezing rain and ultimately when all is said and done, more than 30 states are going to be impacted by this. rich. >> rich: katie, thank you. new year's wave right now, a massive migrant caravan is headed towards our southern border, around 6,000 people from central america, venezuela and cuba making the journey through mexico, marking the largest caravan in more than a year.

hello, i'm rich edson. >> jonathan: i'm jonathan hunt. special edition of "america reports". calling it an exodus from poverty, reflecting the reality many migrants tell our fox reporters on the scene they are here seeking jobs, not political asylum. the group is still in southern mexico but border agents are already overwhelmed. 35,000 encounters at the southern border over the long christmas weekend. >> rich: we expect all of this to be on the agenda when secretary of state antony blinken, dhs secretary mayorkas meet with mexico's president but critics say the trip to mexico is only driven by optics. tom homan is standing by. >> jonathan: but first william live here in l.a., numbers up and up and u