what are you laughing at? squeeze that tush. chin up. hamstrings, gluts, shoulders, okay, good job, good job. next one is going to be side plank. we can modify this. i'll do it from the side so you can see it. on the knees. go ahead and come to your knees. you will come here and press the hips forward and squeeze. you want to keep a totally neutral spine. don't raise too high. nice and even and hold again ten seconds. >> this is how not to quit, do these four things. >> cardio , come on up. here is the -- i'm making this guy do burpees. jumping jacks. >> bill: wow, go for it. good morning, everybody.

that's a bus in new york city and behind that is trump tower. there we go. former president trump about to depart for closing arguments today in his civil fraud trial. the judge has barred him from speaking in court. he wanted to make his own closing argument. the judge said forget about it. so he has been known to talk to reporters on the way in. we're watching that. no buses or trucks, good morning, i'm bill hemmer. >> dana: just us. that's all you get for right now. i'm dana perino and this is "america's newsroom." we had a wild day yesterday. see how this one turns out. the fraud trial culminating as iowa casts the first votes in the presidential election. the former president was there last night for a fox news town hall and tried to assure voters his second term would not be focused on revenge. >> i'm not going to have time for retribution. we'll make the country so successful i won't have time for retribution. our ultimate retribution is

success. >> dana: bill melugin is in deknown. let's begin with nate foye in new york. >> police on long island investigated a swatting incident at justice arthur engoron's home. already a contentious day as day 45 of this $370 million civil fraud trial is set to begin at 10:00 a.m. donald trump is not expected to say closing argument after they couldn't agree on restrictions about what he could say. trump's legal team will be arguing on his behalf. that will be led. defense is starting at 10:00. trump spent the night at trump tower in manhattan. when he arrives at the courthouse within the next hour not a surprise to hear him speak on his way inside the courtroom.

trump testified earlier in the trial he, his adult sons and several trump organization executives are accused of defrauding banks and insurance companies by inflating assets. trump argues all the loans were paid back and no victim in the case. he calls it a political witch hunt brought by new york attorney general james. she wants to ban trump and his family from doing business in new york as well as a large fine. his defamation lawsuit trial is set to start next week. trump separately faces the new york hush money case, georgia election interference case and federal cases involving january 6th and his alleged retention of classified documents. the civil fraud case today is a bench trial which means justice arthur engoron has sole discretion in deciding trump's punishment. keep in mind, engoron ruled before this trial even start

evidence that trump is liable for fraud. this entire trial was more about just deciding the scope of it and his punishment. engoron says that a written decision will be coming at the end of this month at the earliest. a decision won't be coming today. send it back to you. >> dana: thank you. leticia james is the attorney general and put out a statement echoing that. remember that the court ruled in our favor. found that donald trump engaged in years of significant financial fraud and unjustly enriched himself and his family and confidence the case they presented will end up with the rule of law on their side. you have that from her. very unusual for an attorney general to spend all her time in one particular courtroom for one particular case but that's what she decided to do. >> bill: some states you have state supreme court justices not elected or appointed. she was elected and she campaigned for years going after donald trump and today she is going to have her say in court. legal analysis now with our

editor. take the legal question of what is fair and apply it to this case as it relates to other cases in the history of courtrooms in new york when it comes to real estate. >> well, according to our research the law in new york in this case has never been applied someone in the way it is against donald trump full spot. we were unable to find even a single instance of finding someone liable for overinflating their real estate values. this is why donald trump has continuously complained about this case saying that it is a political hit job. you mentioned the attorney general in new york campaigned on going after him. and he says she is doing this because she wants to prevent me from being president and she didn't like my politics when i was. >> dana: we heard nate foye the judge in this case had a

swatting incident at his home this morning. he said i won't debate this yet again. take it or leave it, now or never. you have noon. i will not grant any further extensions he put in all caps. he seems exasperated. >> effectively he didn't want him to litigate the ugly parts of the case. he didn't want donald trump to say a lot of things that we would be saying. now, i'm not sure why, because if you don't have him say it i'm going to say it. imagine free speech being completely slashed not for a normal person, never mind us, but for the leading candidate of the republican party. it's so obvious what they are doing. >> dana: this is all so unearl. we've pointed out all the interesting pieces of it. one of them would be that donald trump feels confident enough to have wanted to give his closing argument. he will be denied that. it is likely he would talk to the media. does the judge in this case if

it's outside the courtroom take any of that into account? >> he could. with respect to inside the courtroom, a judge gets to decide how he or she runs his or her courtroom. the judge my understanding was yes you can deliver your portion of your closing arguments, of course that's highly unusual. you would typically see that in a pro say defendant, someone who represents themselves. the judge says you can do that here but you can't impugn me, my staff, the court system, a.g. and not a campaign speech. on its face normally one would look and say it's reasonable. the problem, though, of course, is that this goes to the heart of what donald trump is arguing saying it's a political hit job. the a.g. campaigned against me and i'm running for president and decide to prevent me from doing so. it's a tricky one and they weren't able to come to an agreement. here we are. >> bill: we would expect the judge to stand by his initial decision and we'll move toward

an appeal which could be tricky in the state of new york. we'll get into that later today. carey, thank you, nice to see you. we'll see the former president probably within about 45 minutes, i would say. stand by for that. thank you. >> dana: while we wait for that donald trump taking part in a town hall last night. the former president holding his fire against his republican rivals for the nomination instead unleashing on president biden as if it's the general electric election all right. >> you can't put two sentences together and he is representing us on nuclear weapons with putin and xi. the new narrative they have i'll be a dictator because i guy like biden -- there is nothing he can run on. you look at joe biden it's bedlam. a man who can't lead, can't find his way off a stage after he makes a speech that lasts for two minutes. we'll have the largest deportation effort in the

history of our country. >> dana: last night he fosse iowa. now you can see he is on his way to the courtroom we just talked about beforehand. the real clear politics average has trump at 52.2%. haley and desantis at 16% apiece down below. your thoughts that morning. >> i thought the town hall last night was really interesting. the clip you played earlier i thought to me was the one that stood out the most where he talked about how he is not going to have time for retribution. the best retribution is success. that's a different tone than we sometimes get from donald trump. donald trump last night was very engaging, very thoughtful. he got asked some very tough questions both from bret and martha but also the audience members asking him about abortion and some other things. and he was not -- he was very engaging and very i think very thoughtful about a lot of those things.

it is kind of interesting. the other thing i thought was interesting was he was asked about the whole idea that chaos follows him everywhere and something we hear a lot from nikki haley. and his argument was look, i can't help it if democrats level this chaos against me. they don't like what i'm doing. they're doing everything they can. on the split screen we see the chaos that democrats, and democrat politicians level against donald trump because they don't like donald trump. that's why i think that line about the retribution and how he is not going to have time for retribution and the best retribution is success is probably a really good argument for him. >> dana: a great line. >> in the primary and then going forward to the general election. >> bill: he ticked off a list of things. people go woke, the border, russia, on and on.

chris christie slipped or was intentional, i don't know what it was caught on a hot mic before he withdrew in new hampshire. a quick listen on that. >> she is going to get smoked and you and i both know it. she is not up to this. desantis calls me petrified. >> there is a little tease we say on desantis and haley. trump took that on last night by saying this. >> chris christie was in and he got a hot mic, i heard. i thought the bigger story wasn't the fact he dropped out. nobody cared too much about that, but he had a hot mic talking to somebody about the weather and happened to say that she doesn't have what it takes. she will be creamed in the election and i know her very well and i happen to believe that chris christie is right. one of the few things he has been right about actually. >> bill: everybody will parse the odds. him dropping out if it will have an effect on this race. do you think it will?

>> certainly not in iowa. 3% in iowa. hard to see where that 3% goes. i don't think it really matters. but he is also does not appear he is going to be endorsing anybody and so it is bizarre because, of course, during that whole dropping out speech was this weird soul-bearing thing where he talked about how he dropped out last time to support trump and he won't do that this time and talked about how all these people don't like trump but only whisper about it in back rooms. as he is doing that the hot mic moment whispering about stuff behind closed doors leaks out. it is unclear what exactly he is trying to do here but i don't really think that he has tremendous support among republican voters, anyway. there was a lot of cross over support from democrats who may have supported chris christie. but long term maybe that helps a

little bit somebody if he decides to endorse in new hampshire. but after that, i don't think it makes any difference whatsoever. >> bill: okay, charlie. we'll see in time, right? thank you, sir, for that. >> dana: if they decide whoever the nominee is, if it is donald trump do people are his rivals in the primary get out there and stump for him? i'm curious what the white house might have thought last night after watching the trump town hall from the bind campaign. i was just thinking imagine right now them thinking of joe biden debating donald trump on a stage for 90 minutes. >> bill: if that happens. >> dana: it should happen. that's the way our system works. they will never admit it up to the moment they say biden won't debate. i imagine they were thinking it won't look good. >> bill: you put the real clear average for donald trump in iowa up there. that's really the number to look at for monday if you are handicapping this at home. can donald trump break 50%? for a republican it's never

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>> bill: don't move now. we've got our camera locked down on -- is it marble or granite column in the steps there? >> dana: i thought you meant street. >> that's actually funny. this year is the new york attorney general letitia james as she makes her way inside the courthouse in lower manhattan. we should see the former president any minute now. he has been apt to stop at the microphone and cameras and talk before he goes into court. sometimes she does as well. i just want to hang with it for a moment and apparently this time on the outside she isn't

going to. pleasant day in new york city, not like des moines, iowa. not the frozen tundra. we'll see the judge, maybe you get a final decision today. i think we all know what it's about. he already forecasted that before we got to this phase of the trial. we will hear from the president momentarily. >> dana: letitia james in the building. united airlines flight making an emergency landing after an open door indicator lit up shortly after take off. it comes less than a wake after a door plug blew out midair on an alaska airlines flight. it was not the same model. the united flight was headed from sarasota, florida to chicago. pilots rerouted the plane to tampa and that plane landed safely.

that harrowing alaska airlines incident is renewing fears from babies lap sitting on airplanes an aviation expert told the "washington post" if there had been a passenger holding a kid close to where that panel blew off, the explosive force was such that the kid being held would have been torn from the hands of their parents and they would have been sucked out of the plane. officials recommend buying a ticket for infants and strapping them in a car seat. that will be a real wake-up call for a lot of parents. obviously you want to comfort your child when you are on an unusual experience on a plane especially when their ears adjust to that. you might have to buy them a ticket. >> bill: altitude 15,000, 16,000 feet. 30,000 would have been a very different matter.

pressure would have been more intense. boeing ceo said we made mistakes and need to own it. in the meantime 22 minutes past the hour breaking news. >> dana: new turmoil surrounding shipping in the middle east. armed hijackers wearing military uniforms taking over an oil tanker in the gulf of oman changing their course toward iranian waters. what's happening? let's bring in former secretary of state mike pompeo. this happening now. what do we think about this as president trump makes his way to the courthouse? >> dana, this is simm to moot i can of the failed policy of deterrence in the region. what 120 plus strikes on americans. not only threaten this ship if this reporting from this morning is true and forced commercial vessels to divert and the missiles come at our ship. the exact result of codling the iranian. they flipped policy and tried to

negotiate with the moderates in iran. whether the events of barbarity or rockets from lebanon to israel. this is what happens when our adversaries don't fear us. the suez canall and other areas is very real. >> dana: two breaking news stories happening at the same time. if you could stand by there, we also have president trump arriving at court. we want to bring that to you. sometimes he does talk to the media on the way in. also because this judge has said he cannot give the closing statement as he wanted to. bill joining me here if you would like. the judge said no to that. president trump does want to make some comments. i don't know if it will be before or after. i would imagine it might be before. >> bill: a couple things going on with the trial. the request was put in to delay today's proceeding because melania trump just lost her mom and the former president asked if he could go back to florida

and spend time with his family and her. the judge denied that. apparent there was a suggestion that the judge felt the security guards at the courthouse perhaps had already been paid for and didn't want to waste the money. that excuse has not been fully flushed out. there was a request. also a request for donald trump to make his case for himself and that was denied as well by the judge. >> dana: this case and the conviction of president trump appears to be unprecedented in new york. we had our lawyers check here. they were unable to find any other examples of new york state convicting someone for inflating the value of real estate assets without a victim. in addition, this judge as leticia james pointed out, has already ruled president trump had misbehavior here. the question is the scope and scale of that and whether and how a punishment would be rendered by this judge. that could happen today.

>> bill: trump's lawyers have said consistently that the valuations on the property were subjective and that banks were not harmed by any alleged inaccuracies because they actually profited from the loans that were made. and there was a leading real estate expert who testified on trump's behalf who made a pretty strong case for him. but whether or not the judge takes that into consideration. i think it's doubt doubtful. he ruled against trump months ago before he came into this courtroom and now the a.g. will in all likelihood get in front of a microphone and make the case she won. this was her quest going back several years to get trump. she pretty much said that repeatedly on camera. >> dana: she campaigned on it and continuing to do a lot of media appearances. it is very unusual for an attorney general to not be manning the helm at the headquarters of the attorney general's office but to be in a

courtroom any time this case has been on. but she has been there. there has been a lot of media attention on this case and for good reason. she has not missed out on any of that. >> bill: the judge was concerned about trump would make some sort of campaign speech in court. maybe, maybe not. his attorney was played the clip half an hour ago. helene yeah said earlier if he doesn't say it, i'll say it. there will be a camera spray inside the courtroom but not follow it minute by minute. we have to read the emails that flow out of court today. >> dana: mr. secretary, mike pompeo is still with us. let's go back to him and get back to this. i want to play the sound bite from antony blinken about the consequences for the houthis if they continue these attacks on ships as we have the breaking news the ship just boarded, turned around and going towards iran. watch him here. >> as we made clear and many other countries made clear, there will be consequences for the houthis' actions.

we've also repeatedly tried to make clear to iran, as other countries have as well, that the support that they are providing to the houthis, including for these actions, needs to stop. it's not in their interest to see the conflict escalated and we're not the only ones who sent that message to iran. >> dana: how do you evaluate the biden administration approach to reaction on this. >> it's not working. you can see that plain as day. you can threaten, bluster, have the secretary make statements but if you don't impose real costs on the iranian regime itself this will continue. the escalation risk is from weakness, not strength. iranians understand serious responses. we have not provided a serious response. until we do you will see more of this whether it's commercial vessels or attacks on our soldiers. >> dana: the other thing happening and not a chance to hear from you yet is questions about the secretary of defense

who went missing for a while . we now know that he underwent a procedure to deal with a cancer diagnosis, prostate cancer diagnosis. the story isn't going away. you now have bipartisan calls for him to be fired. media furious. they love nothing more than a story about lack of transparency. john kirby yesterday on the effort to get more information. watch here. >> throughout every step of the way from the time we were notified until, you know, yesterday when we all found out that he had prostate cancer, there was no lack of curiosity on our part. no lack or slackening of an effort to try to find out what was wrong with him. >> dana: you served on the national security team of the trump administration. can you imagine the secretary of defense not being reachable for several days and nobody knowing why? >> dana, it's incomprehensible. you must have just felt for john

kirby yesterday as a former spokesperson. the lack of curiosity doesn't understand the core incompetence how to lose your secretary of defense and the president of the united states can't know his secretary of defense is going under anesthesia, in the hospital and has got cancer. i spoke to president trump secretary of state nearly every day. he knew how to reach me instantly. it is a national security problem because the world is counting on the united states to be able to respond quickly and efficiently. if you don't know who is in charge that's very hard to do. second, it just demonstrates this administration after three years still doesn't understand the basics of how to run an operation. >> dana: what do you think other leaders or adversaries think about when they look at this incident? >> doesn't take a c.i.a. director to know that. what is going on in the united states that a secretary of defense would choose not to tell his boss he was going to be off

the grid for a bit? they think our -- our friends can we count on them? if there are missiles fired into our troops in syria, iraq, israel, will the united states be able to respond efficiently when we don't know who is in charge? this chain of command, you know this. this chain of command is not a guessing game or subjective. it is real and serious for important reasons and they blew it and still haven't told the american people why or how this could have happened. i'm confident not only do our friends worry but adversaries see the chaos and incompetence. >> dana: asleep at the switch. thank you for bearing with us with that breaking news, appreciate it. >> thank you, dana. >> he wasn't testifying. he already turned us down on the subpoena. the justice department put their head in the sand. yeah, this is all just made for tv drama. >> bill: republicans still reacting after hunter biden's stunt on the hill we watched on

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not that changed. stand by. we'll let you know when we know anything from inside there. this now. >> my last message to you, hunter biden, you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. it is clear and obvious for everyone watching this hearing today that hunter biden is terrified of strong, conservative republican women because he can't even face my words. what a coward. >> i'll make this bipartisan and vote for the hunter contempt. you can get my vote. i want you to show the american people that you are serious. >> dana: the house oversight and judiciary committees yesterday both passed resolutions to hold hunter biden in contempt for defying a congressional subpoena following his surprise appearance on capitol hill yesterday that happened during "america's newsroom." it was wild. let's bring in our panel. jessica anderson and jessica tarlov. great to have you here. it was quite a stunt. i think as far as stunts go it got what hunter biden wanted for

that day. but maybe not beyond. or maybe even that hour. he won an hour. what is the strategic or political benefit of what he did? >> this is a pr stunt for sure but what hunter biden has been doing the whole time. remember when he showed up to capitol hill a couple weeks ago, did the press conference out front? he is not interested in answering the questions. it goes to show this lack of regard, i think, for the rule of law, for the rule congress has holding him accountable and undemocratic. the congress has a right to hold him in contempt. >> bill: he jumped out of a cake yesterday. oh, whoa, hunter biden is on capitol hill. we need to go there now. okay. roll this. this is hillary vaughn with hunter in the hallway. watch. >> mr. biden, why did you put your dad on speakerphone with your business partners if he had no involvement in your business? >> do you have a dad?

does he call you and answer the phone? >> why did you talk to him during business meetings if he had nothing to do with your business? >> a couple folks of jumping on the comment that he confessed his dad called him and not vice versa. was that some sort of indictment, jessica? >> i don't think so. i think people will go back to archer's testimony and read the transcript. not the republican translation of it and see what devon archer said about the phone calls and he also said that joe biden was not on the take. he didn't personally profit from this and not part of their business. i agree it was a complete p.r. stunt but it will get him more than an hour, maybe a whole day. we'll see what happens today in court for him facing the federal tax evasion charges. but the narrative has switched on this over 50% of americans think that this is a complete waste of time and in election season. what are you delivering and doing? this is now the most ineffective congress in american history.

mike johnson, what does he have, two weeks left? they had a revolte on the floor. didn't get his rule passed. when you have a razor thin majority and people are spending time grandstanding about hunter biden. the average american doesn't care about him. >> i have to respond. congress can do two things at once. this is not necessarily all they're doing. they are trying to pass a spending bill. hr2 sitting in the senate. biden is not it is a strong framework for the border that biden refuses to acknowledge the problem of the border. >> bill: hang on. >> you have a congress willing to say democrats played favors before. it's the guns, tax evasion, a pattern of ignoring the law, not holding him accountable. they have strong oversight and

spending bills and border package to get done. that's the robust congress i want to see. >> there is a 13.6 billion bill out of the white house on border security. republicans should accept it. hunter biden is not running for president. his father is running for president. you want to lock him up if that's what he deserves? i don't care and i don't know a democrat who does care. maybe people in his own family. that's not what is motivating voters. a clear connection between hunter biden and his dad. tom emmer and neil said if you had the goods you would have shown me already and emotioner -- >> he said come to the testimony. >> he said we need more time. >> it's not over. >> dana: great to have you both. >> bill: team jessica. one and two. you guys can argue over who is one and two. the biden administration facing revolt from within. if you followed this story there are countless young staffers at

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>> bill: don't want to leave this story. let you know we're watching the door and have yet to see him. when and if it happens and he speaks we'll bring you there live. stand by for that. >> dana: eric trump, his son, is joining him today. we haven't seen them yet. we'll keep an eye on it and

bring it to you as it happens. >> bill: in the meantime, we have seldom seen a 24-hour period like this. rocking the world of football. alabama's nick saban announced his retirement ending dominance in college football and bill belichick not to be outdone is parting ways with the new england patriots, leading one of the greatest dynastys in nfl history. 24 seasons, six super bowl rings. will anyone ever top that record? clay travis joins us now. what is your top line analysis on this, clay? college and especially the nfl have been going younger and younger with their head coaches. these men in their 70s, they have a tenure that is almost unmatched and now they are saying goodbye. >> yeah. thanks for having me, bill.

i told you off aref en dana was stunned by this. she is the stalwart on the show when it comes to sports. i think there are a couple of big time takeaways here. nick saban is the greatest college football coach of all time. seven titles, bill, his teams were ranked number one -- listen to this, 2008, nine, ten, 12, 11, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22. it takes that long. number one in the season during that time. the most extraordinary college coaching career of all time. then bill belichick probably the greatest coach of all time in the nfl, too. now, what will be interesting is belichick seems to want to take another job now. his tenure, i think, took a little hit when tom brady left and went and won a super bowl with the tampa bay buccaneers.

brady has won seven, belichick won six. the debate was who is more responsible, brady or belichick? you have to say brady now. i bet belichick wants another super bowl title without brady to vindicate his overall coaching genius. i would expect that's where he is headed. we'll see. you toss in pete carroll who won a national championship at usc and super bowl with the seahawks and three of the most dominant legends of the last generation in coaching all gone as head coaches in the space of 24 hours. >> bill: a lot of breaking news. wanted to get this in. i think about nick saban. i don't him combing at lsu. always seen him with alabama. great clips online of nick saban talking to his players. i highly encourage young americans watching this program to go find them. he has wonderful pearls of

wisdom in his speeches and how he handles the kids around him. it is great stuff. with regard to belichick, noon press conference. we'll cover it live coming up shortly when "outnumbered" rolls your way. i will be with the ladies on the couch. thank you for being here, clay. talk soon. thank you. >> i do remember nick saban at lsu. closing arguments in president trump's civil fraud trial is about to begin. mayor adams defending the decision. how he justifies his decision as out rage gross. >> close the borders. it is unfair to each and every tax paying american. ♪ ♪ [typing]

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indeed a terrible witch hunt. we'll have a news conference a little later on. as you know i want to speak and want to make is submission. the judge is not letting me make the summation. i will bring up things he doesn't want to hear. a very unfair trial. nobody has seen anything like this. i don't think they've ever seen anything like this. we have a situation where a statute was used that doesn't give me a jury, i have no jury. i have no rights in this. nobody thinks it is constitutional. legal scholars are writing about it like it is something they've never seen before. so it's interference. political interference and something that shouldn't be allowed. so i am hoping to speak and to reveal all of the defects of

this case. shouldn't been brought. they had no idea. then they saw the financial statements and it knocked their socks off. they couldn't believe it. great financial statements. everything is included. we have a level of detail in our defense that nobody has ever had. this is a case that should have never been brought and it was brought and it's very unfair and it's very bad for new york state. companies are fleeing, people are fleeing, the streets are crime ridden. letitia james, all she thinks about is get trump. she has been dreaming about it for years and that's not the way a state should be run because this is a state that is in big trouble. all businesses fleeing and people fleeing, the people that pay taxes and people don't pay taxes are coming in. that's not what you want. i want to thank you. we'll have a news conference today. we don't know -- we'll notify

you at 40 wall street where we can speak and have a microphone. they don't want us to speak too much. we'll see whether or not the judge allows me to speak. perhaps he won't. i certainly would like to. thank you very much. >> bill: a couple of things there. election interference, witch hunt. hoping to speak before the judge is what he is referring to. not so sure that is going to happen. and talking about letitia james, the a.g. has been all about get trump. dreaming about it for years. that little tid bit at the end about a news conference at 40 wall street. that's one of the eight properties that has been talked about in the state of new york primarily new york city but in the state of new york that had been under question during this civil trial there downtown. >> dana: the other thing he said is this case should never have been brought. joining us for more on all of this is former federal prosecutor. what about that point? he says this case never should

have been brought. we have looked to see if anybody else has ever been indicted or prosecuted for this. hard to find anything on it. should it have never happened? >> i think donald trump has two fights that he is fighting right now. one is the fight that this should have never happened and there aren't comparable cases and it seems like even if you had some degree of comparable cases, the amount of punitive damages that letitia james is going for a astronomical and the second point. there is a case to make in mitigation. even though there has been a finding of fraud going into today to say to the judge there is no damage, there are no complainants. nobody lost anything here. so whatever the punishment should be, should be extremely limited. >> bill: in the state of new york, what is -- what is the appeals process like? how would that unfold in a civil trial like this? >> well, after a verdict, then you have a time window open in order to file your appeals. that goes on usually