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officers near times square. >> sandra: another sign of the situation out of control coast to coast as immigration is a major election issue for voters affected by this illegal migrant surge. we will hear directly from texas lieutenant governor dan patrick about his state's efforts to secure the border. he will join us coming up. >> china's multi-pronged assault on our national and economic security make it the defining threat of our generation. they don't just hit our security and economy. they target our freedoms. reaching inside our borders across america to silence, coerce, and threaten some of our citizens and residents. >> john: unsettling testimony from fbi director christopher wray about the national security threats china poses to the united states. and breaking, indicting chinese nationals over various crimes

linked to aiding iran. john roberts in washington and midweek, sandra. >> sandra: great to be with you. this is "america reports". so the four chinese nationals have now been charged related to a years' long orchestrated scheme to funnel u.s. electronic parts to iran and their military affiliates. >> john: comes as an iranian official warns tehran will decisively respond to any attack on their territory as biden vows r retaliation for the deaths of three american soldiers. response may come in phases but still unclear whether a direct strike on iran is on the table. >> sandra: florida republican congressman mike waltz says biden has to hit back in a way that iran actually cares about. he'll join us live what he wants to see from this administration. >> john: first to rich edson live at the pentagon, have officials finalized plans for

retaliation? >> president biden says he has made a decision how they will respond but the details are outstanding. we don't know timing or method, but the president says a response will come. as 170 or nearly 170 of these types of attacks on u.s. assets in the middle east in iraq and syria, at least since mid october. at least four of the deadly -- at least four of them coming since the deadly drone strike over the past weekend. at least two militia groups have said they plan to suspend their attacks against u.s. assets in iraq and syria, pentagon says that is too little too late. >> i don't think we could be any more clear that we have called on the iranian proxy groups to stop their attacks. they have not. and so we will respond in a time and manner of our choosing. >> the three soldiers killed, sergeant kennedy sanders and

sergeant moffett, and sergeant rivers. and the president will attend the dignified transfer at dover. we are hearing a u.s. fighter jet struck a houthi anti-aircraft missile in yemen this afternoon yemen time. u.s. central command says the houthis fired another cruise missile yesterday from yemen to the red sea. they say the u.s. has shot it down with no reported injuries or damage. despite all that, iran says it's not looking for a fight. >> you know we do not leave any threats unanswered. while we are not looking for war, we are not afraid of war and we do not run away from it. >> on the indictment of four chinese nationals you mentioned at the beginning, we are learning that they set up a front company in china they used

american made technology, send it to iran to try to help them build drones and missiles and other weapons to that country's military, something else that we are watching here. back to you guys. >> john: more on that in the hours ahead. rich, thank you. >> sandra: fbi director christopher wray and other national security officials are on capitol hill, that is happening today for a house committee hearing on the dangers posed by state-backed chinese hackers. wray, as you can see live on the screen left, telling lawmakers the hackers are set on wreaking havoc in the u.s. by targeting critical infrastructure among other things. alexandria is live in washington, wray made a significant announcement as well. >> he did, sandra. confirmed the fbi and cyber partners have identified hundreds of routers taken over, injected malware into sectors

like energy, communications and water treatment. u.s. agencies were able to disrupt this access but making a dent in china's hacking network will be difficult. director wray was among the intelligence and cyber officials who testified the prc hackers have breached critical infrastructure with the intent of using the access as a weapon of war if the u.s. and china were directly engaged in the pacific. jen easterly, she gave the example of the colonial pipeline ransomware attack in 2021. it was devastating. she explained how china could inflict more pain on u.s. citizens on a massive scale. >> imagine not one pipeline, but many pipelines disrupted, telecommunications going down so you cannot use the cell phone, getting sick from polluted water, trains get derailed, air traffic control system, port control systems are

malfunctioning. this is truly everything everywhere all at once scenario. >> it sounds scary because it is, and these officials said today they want the american public to understand the scale of this threat because the private sector is key to a partner in fighting this. >> sandra: alex, thank you. john. >> john: more on the fbi director's testimony in a moment but first iran, florida congressman michael waltz, a member of the house foreign affairs and armed services committee and it's his birthday today. happy birthday to you. >> happy to have made it five decades. >> john: oh, the big 5-0, congratulations. >> to many soldiers and green berets who never made it this far, you'll never hear me complain. >> john: we'll have to raise a glass to your celebration and their honor at some point. the news over the last 24 hours that two iranian-backed militias say they have suspended attacks

against u.s. interests in america. do you have any doubt that order came straight from tehran? >> john, how we know the militias the proxies operate, iran gives general orders and then gives the training, the supplies, the material, the weapons, to be able to execute. and this is where we have really parsed words with the administration, even the october 7th attacks said well, we didn't know that they were directly ordered to do that attack that day, but they give general orders and the resources to do it, what we also know is when iran says stop they stop. and this is why we have to restore deterrence and to do it we have to hit things iran cares about like its operatives, it's facilities, its oil terminals. iran will trade the lives of its proxies, that's a good trade for militia lives for ours. we have to start taking iranians off the battlefield. >> john: i wanted to ask you about that. the pentagon says ok, all well and good that kataib hezbollah

says we are not going to attack the u.s. because the rubicon has been crossed and the president has made a decision he is going to respond. the question is how, when, and for how long. you mentioned a couple of targets that you thought would be good ones for the pentagon to hit, specifically what do you think biden will do, though? >> don't ask me to get in the head of president biden, john, but i can tell you what i would recommend. there is a lot of room between these kind of attacks, bombing warehouses in the middle of the night, taking out some militia leaders and actually hitting tehran proper. you hit irgc operatives running around iraq and training the militias. soleimani's successor is freely moving around that could be targeted or another rung in the escalation ladder, a two-fer, the oil terminal which exports 90% of iranian oil and is

offshore. now you are drying up the cash and hitting something that they care about. so i think there's a number of things that we should have done a while ago, i hope the president takes decisive action before we lose any more soldiers. >> john: i expect we will hear soon what the president has decided in terms of a release from the pentagon. let's move into china and the cyber threat that christopher wray, the fbi director is talking about. we learned that a number of chinese nationals have been indicted on charges of selling u.s. technology to iran. there is also another operation called volt typhoon that the doj and the fbi are looking into. this is cyber hackers from china targeting critical infrastructure here in the united states. and here is what chris wray said about the nature of the threat that we face today. listen here. >> to quantify what we are up against, prc has a bigger hacking program than that of every major nation combined.

in fact, in fact, if you took every single one of the fbi cyber agents and intelligence analysts and focused them exclusively on the china threat, china's hackers would still out number cyber personnel by at least 50-1. >> john: this is china preparing for the next big conflict, do you have any doubt, congressman? >> we know it is. the difference here is that this is cross the line from collecting on us and using cyber to get inside of our systems, to putting malware in that can take out our systems. so we have to start thinking about this differently. there is no difference in sending a missile into a dam or a water treatment facility than it is shutting it down through cyber means. it's an attack. it's an act of war, we have to begin thinking about it that way and secondly we can't play perfect defense as the director said. they are overwhelming us with

their offensive cyber. how do we flick the lights in beijing and let them know that if they pull this trigger this will be mutually assured destruction on both ends, and finally, we have to unleash our private sector. that's where the vast majority of our expertise is. we are thinking about this as government versus private, they are unleashing everything they've got at us, so we have to take this incredibly seriously because this is -- this will be the first strike, both in cyber and in space if china decides to go on the offense. >> john: 50-1 they outnumber us by. that is troubling. thanks for joining us. happy 50th birthday. >> thanks, john. >> sandra: certainly some contentious moments on capitol hill with this tech hearing. mark zuckerberg on the screen, big tech ceos are testifying on child exploitation. lawmakers pressing the tech ceos, some saying you have blood on your hands to them. mark zuckerberg is now, he's now

being questioned by a lawmaker. they are asking about searches, searches for drugs, and really the pressing from lawmakers continues and the pressures on girls, we are told, is sort of the focus of this questioning right now. let's dip in here and listen to mark zuckerberg's response. >> you give them the tools to affirm the self-hate that is spewed across your platforms. why is it that we should believe that you are committed to doing anything more to keep our children safe? >> sorry, there's a lot to unpack there. >> there is a lot. >> we give people tools to express themselves in different ways and people use facebook and different tools to make media and photos and videos that are fun or interesting across a lot of different. >> plastic surgery pins are good tools to express creativity? >> senator, i'm not speaking -- >> scan lightning tools are tools that are creativity --

this is the direct thing that i'm asking about. >> i'm not defending any specific one of those. i think that the ability to kind of filter and edit images is generally a useful tool for expression. for that specifically, i'm not referring to the study you are referring to but did make it so we are not recommending this type of content to teens -- >> i made no reference to a study, to court documents that revealed your knowledge of the impact of these types of filters on young people, generally young girls in particular. >> senator, i disagree with that characterization. i think there is -- >> with court documents? >> i'm -- i haven't seen any documents. >> okay, mr. zuckerberg, my time is up. i hope that you hear what is being offered to you and are prepared to step up and do better. i know this senate committee is

going to hold you to greater account. >> senator tillis. >> thank you, mr. chair, thank you all for being here. i don't feel like i'm going to have an opportunity to ask a lot of questions so i'm going to reserve the right to submit some for the record, but i have heard -- we have had hearings like this before. i've been in the senate for nine years, i've heard horrible stories of people who have died, committed suicide, been embarrassed. every year we have an annual flogging, every year. at what materially has occurred over the last nine years. do any of you all -- just yes or no yes. do any of you participate in an industry consortium trying to make this fundamentally safe across platforms. yes or no, mr. zuckerberg. >> yes. >> there's a variety of

organizations. >> do you participate. >> which organization -- >> does anyone here not participate in an industry -- i actually think it would be immoral for you all to consider it a strategic advantage to keep -- to keep private something that would secure all these platforms to avoid -- do you agree with that, you want ours because ours is the safest, and you realize it's an existential threat if we don't get it right. you have to secure your platforms, you have to deal with this. do you not have an inherent mandate to do this barks v, because it would seem to me if you don't, you would cease to exist. we could regulate you out of business if we wanted to. and the reason i'm saying, may sound like a criticism, it's not a criticism, i think we have to understand there should be an inherent motivation for you to get this right. or congress will make a decision that could potentially put you out of business.

the reason i have a concern with that, though. i just went on the internet while i was listening intently to all the other members speaking and i found a dozen different platforms outside the united states, ten of which are in china, two of which are in russia. their daily average active membership numbers in the billions. people say you can't get on china's version of tiktok. it took me one quick search on my favorite search engine to find out exactly how i could get an account on this platform today. and so the other thing that we have to keep mind -- i come from technology. ladies and gentlemen, i could figure out how do influence your kid without them ever being on a social media platform. i can randomly sent texts and get a bite and then find out an email address and get compromising information. if -- it is horrible to hear

some of these stories, and i have shared -- and i've had these stories occur in my hometown, north carolina. but if we only come here and make a point today and don't start focusing on making a difference, which requires people to stop shouting and start listening and start passing language here, the bad actors who are going to be off our shores, i have another question for you all. how many people roughly, if you don't know the numbers, roughly how many people do you have looking 24 hours a day at these horrible images and quick with the answer down the line, and filtering it out. >> it's most of the 40,000 of our people who work on safety and security. >> and -- >> 2300 people. >> sandra: we will continue to monitor the hearing, important questions from lawmakers to the tech ceos. you have x, meta, twitter, you've got tiktok, ceo present there as well, snap, this is --

this is important stuff. and it's something every single parent, grandparent, caretaker, across this country is concerned about, about access to things that parents can't see happening right in front of their kids and coming up, sam chapman, a plaintiff in the snap lawsuit, he lost his 16-year-old son, his son bought fentanyl-laced pills on snapchat. so obviously we'll talk to him about his lawsuit and what he thinks should be done with these social media companies and how they can further protect children. >> john: when kids are younger, it's much easier for parents to have some sort of control over what their kids are doing online. as they get older, that is more and more difficult. >> sandra: it's tough. >> john: nypd officers brutally beaten in times square. the suspects allegedly a group of migrants sparking fears how the border crisis will affect

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was left bruised up, the other with cuts to the face. five men, in age from 19 to 24 years old, were arrested on assault charges. four of them released without bail, according to court records. nypd says no longer any consequences for people's actions. >> happening over and over again, you see it, i see it, we all see it. consequences for your actions. they should be sitting in rikers, indicted this week and have their day in court and go to jail. you want to stop the assault on the cops, this is where it begins. >> it comes after three migrants were reportedly arrested for grand larceny after pick pocketing at three manhattan bars over the weekend. as far as this assault goes in front of the migrant shelter here in times square, john, police tell us one of the men who was arrested has currently two open previous cases for

assault and robbery charges. as you mentioned, john, there may be more arrests in this case. back to you. >> john: boy, i'll tell you this whole case raises this idea of no consequences for committing crimes to a whole new level. c.b., thank you. sandra. >> sandra: texas battling the white house over border enforcement it continues at this hour. razor wire, supreme court ruled biden administration was allowed to remove the fencing but lieutenant governor governor dan patrick says if they cut it he'll replace it. thank you very much, sir. this was biden just yesterday claiming that everything that he has done on the border, listen. >> have you done everything you can do with executive authority. is there more you could do -- >> done all i can do. give me the power. i've asked the very day i got in

office. give me the border patrol, give me the people -- give me the people, the judges, give me the people to stop this and -- >> sandra: we heard that and thought wait, doesn't the buck stop with joe? >> of course it does, sandra. any time anyone says i've done everything i can do, we all know you can always do more. in his case, he's done absolutely nothing except reverse and repeal every executive order that president donald trump put in place that helped secure the border and gave us the most secure border in a decade. and let me look at the new york footage. what vacationer wants to go to new york city now. if they can beat up the cops and there's no accountability, what happens to the average citizen there? this is going on in george soros cities across america. these are george soros judges, prosecutors, d.a.s, who want criminals on our streets literally.

they want criminals. they believe no one should be held accountable and i've said that look, there are many people crossing here, we need legal immigration reform, people should not have to drown in the river or in the back of an 18-wheeler but for the people come here legally processed and vetted, in that group are hundreds of thousands, thousands and thousands of criminals, murderers, molestors, gang members, drug dealers, carjackers, kidnappers, you name it, they are part of this group and terrorists. we know from countries all over the world and joe biden is doing nothing about it and then when we do arrest them they let them out, either he lets them go in the country or in new york, you know, some social justice judge -- i don't know how you get a cop to work anymore in these big cities. chaos created by the biden administration in every sector of our life and we are not going to put up with it in texas. we are fighting back on the border. they cut the wire, we will

replace it immediately. we will add miles and miles and miles and miles of more wire. >> sandra: you just referenced what's happening in new york city, seeing it happen all over, to your point, chicago -- >> all over. >> sandra: just had a place chief on from oak brook, illinois yesterday, they are home to a major shopping mall in the suburban area outside chicago, luxury high end shopping mall. they said that they have a trend of migrants now coming, illegal immigrants coming in, bussed out from the city, and they are dealing with thefts, burglaries, it's a huge problem and he says with the new no cash bail, he wonders if anybody will even see time. this is denver. new york, chicago, these are way beyond the border communities. this is in denver where they have huge problems. their medical system is overwhelmed with the migrants. the residents are growing more and more furious with the migrant surge. >> most compassionate thing to

secure the border. >> i'm irritated with the government whether it's local or federal to not do anything. >> when president biden opened up the borders and allowed this influx to massively come into our country, whether chicago, whether denver, or even the surrounding communities, we have created a crisis. >> sandra: and then you take it back down to the border and the razor wire has to come down, when clearly the residents have huge issues? >> we are not taking it. you know, sandra, joe biden is turning america into a third world country. that behavior you saw on the streets in new york, that's what happens in third world countries where most of these people are coming from. and by the way, we just arrested someone from lebanon the other day, nearly 300 people over the years from the terrorist watch list, how are they getting here from lebanon and syria and middle east countries, getting here from china, who is paying their way. we are seeing a fifth column of young adults, 18 to 40 years

old, not vetting them, don't know criminal records, just set free like these guys they let out of jail yesterday, change their names, disappear, we have no way to follow up on them. in texas we believe we are following the constitution. we have a right to defend american citizens and texas citizens and we are going to do it. and we are going to win at the court, we passed senate bill 4, i wrote most of that bill along with governor abbott, and before the supreme court that says we have a right to defend ourselves against invasion because this is an invasion from third world countries, coming here with health issues, uneducated, unemployed, and all they do is commit crime on the streets, most of them -- many of them. >> sandra: to your point, not all, but certainly we have numbers to show that many of them do have these issues and are causing these problems and committing crimes. we appreciate you joining us, sir. thank you very much.

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resistance in iraq, umbrella group, was behind the weekend drone attack on tower 22 in which three american service members were killed. listen in to the rest here. >> who is coming out when and what sequence is all part of the decisions right now. i'm not going to get into that. >> how has hamas responded to the latest proposal? >> i would tell you the discussions that we have been having and are continuing to have have been constructive. they have been -- we believe they are moving in the right direction. but again, i don't want to come across as too sanguine here and the actual details of it and i hope you can understand that. the last thing i want to do is say something up here that all of a sudden gets inserted into the negotiations and becomes a sticking point. we want to see the deal in place, see it in place as soon as possible. these families are grieving and they want to see their loved ones again. we want to see if we can facilitate that. but obviously, you know, we are

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>> do we show his speeches, do we talk about all the crazy things he's doing. >> said well, this is his position, biden's position, this is this, that is that, and it becomes like well, we just vote on the person, no, this is not normal. you cannot let him up. you can't normalize him, you can't let him off the canvas, not for one second. >> john: democrats keep up their habit of alienating a large number of voters. will that strategy cost president biden come november. katie pavlich, so you hear james carville there saying this is not normal, you can't let him off the canvas, keep his foot on his neck and yet even as the words come out of his mouth, bloomberg comes out with a new poll showing donald trump leading in seven battleground

states over joe biden. >> james carville and jen psaki, when they make the argument you heard, they are not saying vote for joe biden on his record alone because he's a good president, a wonderful four years in office, made your life better than four years ago, not the case for the majority of americans. they are essentially saying you vote for biden as a vote against trump, not necessarily that biden is the better candidate. we have heard that they want to keep donald trump at the forefront of the biden campaign because he is very unpopular among democrats and it gets their base riled up and ready to go to the polls as incentive to make sure they stop a second trump term, but when you look at the independent voters, they are actually interested in what donald trump has to offer for a second term in terms of unfinished business and comparing the biden administration to the previous four years under trump and the big difference whether it's on the economy, whether it's illegal immigration, inflation, all of these very tangible things people are dealing with today, they have a very recent comparison to make themselves. >> john: the nation was shocked

in davos, switzerland, jamie dimon from j.p. morgan chase made that point. >> i wish the democrats would think a little more carefully when they talk about maga, the democrats have done a pretty good job with the deplorables, hugging bibles and beer and guns. really, could we just stop that stuff. >> john: he says democrats are scapegoating maga voters, basically saying if you vote for trump that means you are just like him. but he also makes the point a lot of these people are not voting for trump because they think he is a great moral compass, they like his policies. >> they like his policies, his record, also seen over the years a number of these accusations thrown at the president, including the most recent indictments from jack smith, for example, and a lot of independents see those indictments and court cases and the weaponization of government as political and the argument if they can do it to a former president who is a billionaire, who can stave off the lawsuits

with the money that he has, how is that going to affect you when the government is coming after you and i think republicans have done a good job with the new weaponization committee on capitol hill of really exposing the way the democrats not only say that maga voters are -- they need to be singled out, but that they need to be punished by the federal government, and we have seen that play out and i think most americans don't like that. >> john: and add, too, the poll did find if trump is either convicted or goes to jail, that's really going to change his fortunes with voters. >> we will see you. >> sandra: 11th hour agreement prevents a trump prosecutor from testifying in his own divorce case. leo terrell on how that could impact former president trump's georgia case. >> john: will the fed hit the pause button again on the historic rate hikes. the panel joins us what we can expect and where it will lead the u.s. economy and your pocket book. dude you coming?

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adviser to president obama, and dan greenhaus, pop up the dow, up 17 points, sitting at record highs. we have been reporting on the multiple records as we are in this, you know, uncertain interest rate environment. the market seems to be predicting as the fed sort of broadcasts before the turn of the year that rate cuts are coming. today is not the day, right, dan? >> no, the expectation in the spring or the summer, but the truth is for the audience, whether -- for most people whether it's in march or may or june, largely irrelevant. what is relevant, we are on the cusp of ending a 22-year high in interest rates. >> sandra: it has affected home sales, credit card bills, everything, robert. >> yeah, listen, i think inflation will have a long tail. the wind at our back, everything is positive for the economy with inflation coming down. >> sandra: everything -- whoa, whoa, whoa, everything is

positive -- this is gallup's poll on the economy whether getting better or worse. there are some good economic stats out there, is this one of them, economic conditions in the country getting better or worse? 63% of the country said worse. >> the facts are they are much better. consumer sentiment, jobs market. i just said, inflation is having a long tail so the prices are still higher than they were. but that has nothing to do with the wind at our back. so my view, i've said this along, i don't think the fed should be cutting rates yet. i think neutral is where they should be, and even when the forecast was at 90% a month ago, i actually said at that time -- >> sandra: if you start to cut rates and environment where consumer spending still up, retail spending up, dow at record highs, aren't you just going to cause more inflation, higher prices? >> it's a more complicated conversation between the interest rates and inflation. i will go back to the point the

economy is getting better. we have seen -- things are quite good, the unemployment rate is quite low, but seen headlines, numerous headlines out of the technology sector, companies like paypal, etc., are laying people off. u.p.s. announced a sizeable layoff. you have seen some more headlines of people starting to get laid off, not depression level layoffs, not a depression level unemployment rate but certainly appears as though headlines about layoffs are coming more quickly than the last year. >> but on the flip side, you have seen people leave their job at the lowest rate in years. so we have also people actually staying in their job, and so that's a strong sign. >> the countersign is people used to, a year ago, leave their job easily because they knew they could get another one very quickly somewhere else. >> the job market is still strong. not make it like the job market is weak here. >> sandra: listening to how people are feeling and that's a telltale sign what's to come.

asked this on inflation has recent price increases caused financial hardship for you or your household, and two-thirds said yes. you look at the number of people paycheck to paycheck, less people have money set aside for rainy day fund. so five minutes away from this decision. is this a make or break moment for the record stock market or no? >> no, there's no confusion about what's going to happen in five minutes. they are going to leave rates unchanged. this is inside -- >> jinx. >> very inside baseball but 2:30 he'll talk and maybe give some tone about -- >> sandra: and that can move markets. we'll be monitoring and listening for that. good to have you here. >> would you like now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed -- show them the pictures. would you like to apologize for what you've done to these good people? >> john: pretty extraordinary moment, lawmakers grilling big tech ceos on child safety

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