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>> this just breaking. we are getting a reaction in this hour to the stunning new report that president biden has told an ally, he is weighing whether or not he should continue in the presidential race. that is big reporting. the president's conversation is the first indication to become public that he is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage. hello, everyone. this is "outnumbered." i am kayleigh mcenany. director of the tech policy center at the heritage foundation and former dod counterterrorism analyst and fox news contributor attorney and former nypd inspector paul morrow. president biden has been facing calls to step aside from the 2024 raise for days now. some from elected officials in his own party. the panic over us biden has

intensified that biden alludes to trump. house democrats are prepared to call for biden to end as election effort. we will see if that letter actually comes out. several top democrats have publicly said it is time for biden to drop out of the race. this blockbuster "new york times" report on biden allegedly telling an ally that he is weighing whether or not he should drop out of the election. if this is true, this would be the biggest indication that he is taking all of these calls seriously. biden's team punching back immediately denying this report on camera and off. here's biden's deputy campaign manager on cnn saying that this conversation simply never happened. >> that is false. there are a number of rumors floating out there. the president is in this race to win megan. he's the democratic nominee.

we will continue to do i may not be able to continue. i may not be able to win this race. >> the president has been having conversations with a number of democratic leaders. the president and his own words acknowledged a poor debate performance. at the same time, what we are sensing from people is a sense of urgency. i think the conversations at the president has been having with democrats across the country is one to reassure them that he is in this race. he knows that he needs to reassure the american people and the campaign will continue in november. >> course role denial. what are you hearing? >> put this in context. the president and his family is first after the debate was very defiant. there was no reason for him to drop out.

this was a one-off situation. he had a bad night and was still the best candidate to be dro drowned. his administration and campaign likes to dismiss the pundits. they have been bracing for all their media chatter and tuning it out. as we have been watching these calls from democrats for him to step aside or at least to have a serious conversation about what the path forward is, should he decide to step aside, that seems to be getting to the president if there is any truth to this "new york times" report. within the report, the ally who spoke to "the new york times" also said he remains deeply committed to the race but acknowledging he's going to have a tough time convincing the american public that he is a viable candidate if he can prove that over the course of the next few days. indication that he's tossing this question around. the white house immediately responded to this. andrew bates tweeted that claimed by "the new york times" is absolutely false.

if "the new york times" had provided us with 7 minutes to comment, we would have told him so. you played the campaign denying this on the airwaves. we've heard from a couple of folks. this is a big piece of news this morning. the major piece of news which speaks to the landscape he is facing is this report that 25 house democrats are preparing calls for the president to step aside if he has a shaky performance over the next few days. we are going to see the president at a medal of honor ceremony. prepared remarks with no indication he will take any questions from the press. it will be an opportunity to field questions of what is normally a teleprompter event. we are also going to see him meeting with democratic governors who had been asking for a meeting with him just to make sure that he is okay. listen to what andy said. >> i think the governors want a direct and candid conversation

with the president. we want to make sure he is doing okay. we know him. he has formed a personal relationship with us. we take him at his word. and it's always good to see somebody in person. >> he saying these democratic governors want to lay eyes on the president before they get out there and continue to pledge their support for him moving forward as a candidate. there is an all staff call arranged by the white house chief of staff following reports that staffers are melting down, not getting any good explanations that will quell their own concerns about the president's mental fitness. the report was there was no explanation for what happened in the senior staff operating as business as usual. expect more of these. they want to be sharing their internal data, giving a landscape of what to expect and keeping the biden allies close.

this is usually a very tight workshop of people who do not leak to the press. that has certainly shifted over the last several days. >> no doubt about that. let's bring in bret baier, chief political anchor. every communication staff can empathize with andrew bates giving 7 minutes to respond to a story or inquiry from a reporter. this is not a right wing blogger. this is a well sourced "new york times" reporter katie rogers. what do you make of it? >> i think it is a big deal. i know that person is still in the fight and trying to say that he needs a couple of good days showing the american people. it is again a break in the dam. i think that it is happening. more and more democrats on the record saying this. i will also note that if it is true the president is considering not going forward with the nomination, there are

real questions about who is going forward as president of the united states in the toughest times if we are facing terrorist attacks and threats from enemies overseas. one of the things as you see more and more articles saying that vice president harris is the tip of this beer and she has always been good and fighting the fight in the townships on vice president harris possibly taking over here, noted that vice president harris usually has lunch with president biden at least once a week and will be part of whatever this white house was in not making it known the president's declining ability. >> she is having lunch with president biden the day at this hour. there is going to be a show of strength at the white house at 6:00 p.m. this evening. governors attending virtually this meeting with the president. some coming in person. cnn is reporting that gavin newsom will be there. that is what is seen in

reporting at the moment. the white house will have this show of strength with other governors. >> show of strength perhaps. the reason this is called is because governors were in their words freaking out. they had not been reached out by president biden since the debate. there was a real concern we are told in democratic governors circles that they were not getting any word from the white house. they wanted to set up this meeting as you heard to see the president in person. it could be a show of strength. there is also skepticism as we get to 6:00 p.m. tonight. i think the next 2 day i think the next 2 days in this interview with george stephanopoulos on friday are basically the time that president biden saves his candidate see or is pregnancy. i think we are in that pro se time right now.

>> i do want to ask you. you been in washington a really long time. what do you make of the pace and the tolerance of leaks that are coming out of the biden white house? it seems like every 30 minutes there is new person speaking anonymously to some reporter. >> they realize not only the journalist about the people behind the scenes that they may have been part of whatever this is. everyone could see what was happening on their lens. every time. we would pointed out and we were into the cheap fakes and everything else. the debate was a clarifying moment. now you have people saying i've got a turn and do the right thing essentially and report what i see and hear and also tell what is happening behind the scenes. i expect more anonymous sourcing stories similar to this. 16 pages, 3,000 words. "the wall street journal" story

that was equally as well, long. >> 74 tweets from the white house on the story. thank you very much, brad baer. let's bring in florida congressman byron donalds. this is big reporting with the nuances that we've gone over. the other reporting was a reuters report that there are 25 vulnerable democrats that are circulating a letter about their concerns about president biden. another reporter came forward and said that letter is circulating. have you heard anything about this? >> we are hearing rumblings about this from other coll colleagues. it is absolutely correct. everyone is trying to save their political skins right now whether you are white house staff or members on capit capitol hill. the american people need to understand that this has not been a secret in washington. everybody has had their concerns about what has been going on

with joe biden. at the last state of the union, members are talking to mike and joe biden speak to the country for an hour? the congressional democrats said he can. some didn't say much at all and we all saw the state of the union. is the client has been apparent for the last, love years. they are trying to save themselves. this letter being formulated. >> yesterday, and no one has hit anything. they have been forthright. the former communications director in the white house saying no one has seen any of this behavior previously. it's hard to believe amid the "new york magazine" saying something quite opposite to t that. my question to you is this. should there be a select committee on the hill on mount biden's mental state? this is national security implications for the world if he is not with that. should former aides be brought before congress or subpoenaed

as, if necessary? >> foreign policy is a major issue that the country is fa facing. one in ukraine and one with our ally israel. joe biden and his administrations have been in the middle of all of this. what is the president been doing or not been doing that could have averted these are save the american taxpayer money or prevented us from being dragged into these conflicts to a deeper degree. you look at our southern border. what does joe biden know? what does he not know? what is going on? there is no clear chain of command. it's not clear to anybody. capitol hill, congress, we should investigate. we know chuck schumer won't do anything about the house definitely shed. >> if i were our family members of those laws, i would want answers and want to know about the withdraw from afghanistan. those are big answers we need to

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>> breaking this hour, president biden and vice president kamala harris i'm meeting at the white house. they are supposed to have lunch at 12:15. a speculation grows that harris could be the one at the top of the ticket if biden does indeed drop out of the race. she is polling better than him and some public polling that we

have. key democrats are rallying around her if biden were to drop out. >> my understanding is there are 700 uncommitted delegates. and of course, the delegates -- it would seem to me that any one of these people who aspire to be president -- look at the 700 delegates and get into their -- i do believe that all the delegates are committed only for the first round. you can -- the process is in place. i would support that absolutely. we can close that down. the one this was a stunning moment. this was james clyburn, the biden-harris campaign cochair laying out a scenario where 700

delegates could select someone other than biden. he says he hasn't spoken to biden in the same interview. the one he was extolling the virtues of kamala harris who asked, would he support her? he went on a very long tangent about it. in that interview on cnn, he said because of legal issues involving ohio, it is my understanding we will have some kind of a virtual roll call before the convention opens. they are already planning this and already getting ready. that is very clear. i want to say on the other side of this tell you and i talked about this before the show. we have more and more calls for biden to step down. this is mostly left leaning democrats and major donors to biden who were saying in a letter, 400 business leaders and executives, it is time for you to step down.

when your money walks, what do you do? >> that is a big component of this. if you think of this like a scale, on one end of the scale, what you have are democrats who have come out publicly. there's been a few of them. another lawmaker. on the other in the back of of those democrats publicly supporting the president. you have the democrats in the shadows that are going to decide to come out or not and decide which way that scales tips >> for a while, it was a just. you are just loyal. now it is shifting to the point where it is acceptable to say look at what we are all sane. you are not looked at as disloyal anymore. how can you argue this is complete disloyalty. we see the narrative shifting in the media. i took a few seconds to watch one of the competing channels today. some of the guests were

salivating over this idea of a messy convention where the democrats come out with much younger candidates and the excitement they could build in the party. there is an open discussion beginning to happen broadly. 25 lawmakers not good, outgrew those democratic governors are coming into town. i think the governor of kentucky. we want to make sure he's doing okay about the president. that doesn't sound like a show of strength as a well-being check. >> that is a fantastic point. you have newsom coming into town. we have listed up all the governors. >> here is how you know they knew all along and all of a sudden, they have shifted into cover-up mode. they are not asking the question people are asking around the country. which is the following. in light of the disastrous things that have happened. printing of money and the things

happening -- our southern border. no enforcement against anti-semitic hate crimes. there is one salient question that if you were really shocked by all of this, you would be asking if you are sitting where they are, who is running the country? who has been making these decisions? we said how could he think he could get away with that? we decided generally among all of us that he did that because he knew that nobody was looking for him. there was a vacuum at the top. that is what happens when you think your overhead is not looking for you. he figured nobody's looking. unfortunately, he had some complications. now it is all coming to light. we have had no chief executive. i think that is the evidence. why doesn't anyone to know who has been making these disastrous decisions. >> i do want democrats in their own words to share with you their farms. jamie raskin in particular had a

pretty interesting assessment of what is going on. >> i salute president biden. i feel that it is time for him to step aside. >> i don't see a path now for president biden to stay in this race in the long term. >> do you think you should drop out of the race? >> we are not operating like an authoritarian religious cult. there will be lots of discussion and lots of people weighing in. i know this is a moving target. i can guarantee you, there will be massive unity and focus on that task when we get to the end of this process. it's happening very quickly. >> he is calling it a moving target that will happen quickly. what does that mean? >> i have no idea. leftists and democrats staffers are having to earn their salaries. this is interesting to me. you look at all those comments

coupled with vibrance comment. he was the architect of the south carolina firewall during the nomination fight for the democratic nomination and the 2020 campaign. he is effectively the kingmaker. that makes it more significant. this point, we don't just not have a chief executive. we don't have a commander in chief. that is the biggest problem. it is a national security issue. the safety and security of the american people are at stake. our enemies are emboldened. ours allies are skeptical. the next few months are going to be absolutely critical. the next few days are going to be absolutely critical because of that scrutiny. that is not good for our geopolitical situation. >> i had to brigadier general on fox business this morning. who was running things right

now? he said when it comes to the military, the defense department are running on their own and doing business without oversight at the white house. it shocked me. he said that is what is happening. we have the ukrainian war and the israel war. this is how the government is functioning right now. nato is next week. biden is going. is that not wearing anyone right now? >> karine jean-pierre said that he is going to give a "big boy press conference" at nato. we will see if he makes it. there's a lot of pressure right now and new reporting. we will bring it all to you. vice president kamala harris has overtaken biden as the favorite to be at the top of the democratic ticket this november. what would a kamala harris presidency look like if we were to happen? we discuss it. and doug. (bell ringing) limu, someone needs to customize and save hundreds on car insurance

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>> this hour, the lunch between president biden and vice president harris is underway as a new report does biden is weighing whether to stay in the race. seeing in polling shows that the vice president does better in a matchup against former president trump. the 2 discuss options. key democrats are throwing support behind the vice president if biden were to drop out. >> i would support her if he were to step aside. i want this to get to to be biden-harris. then we will see what happens after the next election. this party should not in any way do anything to work around mrs. harris. >> she would kick trump's weary and in that debate. she could prosecute the pro-choice issue. but most importantly, she is a generational change, which is

what the american people want. >> i think he may have something to say about that. harris t appears to be sticking with president biden. >> this morning, the congressman said he's calling on president biden to withdraw from the race. there's too much at stake to risk a trump victory. one is a response to this? >> joe biden is our nominee. we beat trump once and we will beat him again. >> are you prepared to lead the country if necessary? >> i am proud to be joe biden's running mate. >> she has to. reuters is saying vice president, harris has not stopped alternative to replace president biden. that is according to 7 senior sources in a campaign. >> she is well positioned in the sense that if he does end up

sticking through our being on the ticket somehow as the dominoes keep all income and looks potentially more more likely that will actually come to be. she has access to the war chest. a lot of good reasons to put her on the ticket and boost her up. she has some of the challenges. the problems with the word salad. we will have to see how she does in debates. at the same time, she would have access to money. infrastructure. she has had success specifically on women's issues like abortion. she has gained some ground. there are some places where the democrats and the parties haven't done a lot to lift her up and give her that broad base and many people think of when they think of a commander in chief. they have time if it is in the works. we should see. >> you mentioned the debate. kamala harris in the aftermath of the debate defending

joe biden. >> there was a slow start but a strong finish. when it became very clear through the course of the night is that joe biden is fighting on behalf of the american people on substance and policy and performance. joe biden is extraordinarily strong. >> and substance and policy and performance,he presint's performance tonight was clearly disappointing for his supporters. >> i'm not going to spend all night with you talking about the last 90 minutes when i've been watching the last 3.5 years of performance. >> she says that 3.5 years our performance have been good. mark makes a brilliant point. kamala harris has lied for lied for biden and played a major public role in trying to cover up his dementia. we just watched it. as recently as this weekend throughout the democratic primaries all over tv, harris has deceived to the people. she has.

>> it is definitely true. competing network start quoting george orwell in 1984 in the entire democratic party is asked is not to believe our eyes and our ears, then you know things have gone off the rails. that might be the one thing that kamala harris as ever delivered on serving up these falsehoods. look at the other things she has been tasked with that she's falling short with. without getting a single delegate in california. the democratic primary in the race for the presidency beforehand. she is supposedly the art, artificial intelligence are. i haven't seen anything come out of the white house that is good or sound policy. she supposed to be the border desire. that w was a dumpster fire and a half. she has fallen short time and time again. we had a phrase when i worked for the military called bottom line up front. the bluff on kamala harris is that she has under delivered at

every turn. i don't see anything changing. >> we know nothing about biden and his condition or episode. i have to believe that over 3.5 years, she has seen him stumble and bumble. i am wondering, what is going on in this lunch? what do you think is happening? >> it's not about the food. cnn and that is asking us to believe that kamala harris is within the margin of error. the same people who have been telling us all along as far as here.iden goes, nothing to see they get it. kamala harris candidate -- other than that, it's not going to be very good for the democratic party. so many of the word salad spirits that's teased something else out here. joe biden has to step down. if he is not capable of a campaign in 90 minutes in the regimented system of a debate.

if he is not capable of handling that, how can he make it to january? you have to say to yourself, doesn't the whole ball of wax go?" here is why. he has to stay into that seat until the lame duck era. remember, hunter has a trial. that will be a very penetrative trial. he has to protect the enterprise. hunter will not go to jail. he has to stay in that seat. the bidens are in a tough spot. if they drop out of the race, he won't lose that. >> i disagree with something you said about kamala harris. she was on "the view." her performance was pretty good. she has been on 60 trips this year by herself. i never 2. she's doing the retail politics that joe biden has not been doing. i will point out to the back to

the war chest, number one, is the money. no other candidate is going to walk in and be able to fund raise. the other issue with harris in particular is you would have a blow up and revolt if it wasn't harris. she has been going out there and practicing. >> i think she has had some media coaching. it is a much different kamala harris. tune in "the ingraham angle." i will be hosting a fantastic lineup. i worked with him in the white house. we have a lot to discuss. congressman jim banks. do we need a select committee to look into the cover-up of president biden, his mental health, and how it affected our national security? brand-new reports that the doj will continue to pursue president biden if he wins the election. jonathan turley next. allison! (restaurant noise) ♪ [announcer] introducing allison's plaque psoriasis.

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>> if you thought it had ended, think again. the justice department will press on with 2 kim, criminal cases against former president donald trump even if he wins in november according to "the washington post." the doj has a long-standing policy of not charging sitting presidents. according to the report, they think a president-elect is still fair game. lawyers in the doj think the rules against prosecuting a sitting president would not kick in until inauguration day in january. george washington university law professor jonathan turley joins me. this is unbelievable. i literally said yesterday, lawfare has ended on july 2nd, 2024. i go to sleep and find out they want to continue this until

inauguration day. >> apparently you can continue to 11:59 and january. we will have to see. this is not too surprising when you look at jack smith's approach all along. his overriding priority in his cases has been to try trump before the election. he is attempted to short-circuit the appellate process and cut corners to make that happen. the supreme court rejected that effort and ultimately, he lost in spectacular fashion before the court and the recent immunity decision. that was actually the second blow. he effectively lost 2 on his counts in the fisher decision. the court rejected the use of obstruction, and made a very difficult to be used against trump and others. it recognized that he does have immunity and a wide array of communications and actions. it doesn't surprise any of us that smith is not giving up the

ghost. he is saying that he can try this case all the way through the election. they -- they aren't seen as trying to influence the result. smith has flipped out on its head. his findings in court. he says that he wants citizens to know the outcome of his case before they vote. >> you are exactly right. that is a fantastic point. i yesterday asked professor john yoo about that january 6 case and played analysis of jeffrey toobin. not a friend of the former president. he says that january 6 case is gone because of the rules of evidence put forward in the immunity case. he agreed. what say you? >> i think it is very, very difficult to do this. after the opinion came down at the court had ripped the wings off this case.

smith is still trying to get it off the ground. he has a very favorable judge. i can imagine a more favorable judge. she is very motivated. she was working to get this trial on a rocket docket before the election. she is likely to continue to try to do that. that was part of the problem. she was moving so fast, she never bothered to create a record. there was no record for the court to decide these questions. it has to be sent down. if she comes back and says these are private actions that are not protected, that can be appealed. i think that the supreme court saw this development. they gave her some very clear navigational beacons to stay with him. they were very clear that when he spoke on the... , he was doing and asked that presidents are expected to do to speak to points of great public

interest and indicated that i could be part of his official functions. she's going to have a very difficult time. he has a right to speak with people at the white house and for that to be protected. how is smith going to prove this case once you eliminate that evidence? many of us have doubts he could do this before the election or inauguration. she stopped doing pretrial motions. it will take 30 days for this case from the issuance of the opinion to be released at district court. she promised a defensive 80 days when she gets the case back. she has to do pretrial motions and deal with this and the fisher decision. i don't even think the inauguration will give him enough runway to take this case off the ground. >> they will try. we have learned from "the washington post." thank you very much. breaking now, the leaks keep coming. we are getting a lot of readouts

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about this white house staff call. here's what alex thompson from axios has been posting about with the chief of staff's -- he says he has three points. number one, but your head down. execution, execution, execution. at the same time, hold your h head. he continues by saying this. this is a period of intense noise out there. people are looking for chatter. tune it out. the leaks are coming. apparently play-by-play. every sentence the chief of staff is saying. it feels like you are on the titanic. >> he's got to know that a lot of that is going to be leaked and get out. this feels to me that they are returning fire. the death of joe biden's presidents campaign -- i think

right now, there are probably shredders running over time all over washington. that may start to slow down. >> i think the key element is a lot of the younger staffers and may be the ones feel misled. we are elsewhere housewares and expletives across the media. a lot of them allegedly didn't know about biden's condition. >> that is the protection that kgb and others have given him. on the issue of the gaslighting that we have seen, we have also been gaslighted by the white house press corps. there are some that are asking the right questions. "the wall street journal" and ourselves and others are actually criticized for speaking the truth about what we have seen. the staff has not been informed. the readout, -- i have an open door policy. you can email me. thanks. i thought your door was open.

this speaks volumes. >> i wonder if hunter was on the call. >> this is really interesting. when you're talking about white house advisors, you want people to counsel you who actually have wisdom behind what they have to offer. july 4th is tomorrow. i have been thinking about the last line of the declaration of independence where all of our founders said, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor. what happened to honor? hunter biden should be hanging his head in shame. >> you mentioned that hunter biden has been slipping into some of these meetings. he had been around as much. he seems to be in the inner circle and talking to other staffers. i don't know about family is drawing him to the circle. his dad talked about his intelligence and stood up for him and all of his recent

struggles. he has a horse in this race. that has been interesting to watch. according to the criticism of the press and washington as well as the staffers. this was published. she is the executive editor of "the new york times" from 20 2011-2014. the biden white house -- serious physical decline which may be simply the result of age. she says it's clear the best reporters have failed in their first duty of journalism. >> wanting this morning, i see the communications director, and for the campaign. as i'm doing this as they are interviewing her, they put up a map showing biden's weary travels. >> did he have a week to rest up before the speech and debate and says he fell asleep. >> they gave him 2 days off.

>> realistically, joe biden shouldn't drop out of the campaign. the entire democratic media complex should drop out. >> more "outnumbered" in a moment.

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because it has been a big hour with "the new york times" reported that president biden has spoken to a key ally about possibly dropping out of the rates although saying he's still in the fight news breakint by moment the white house denying it will bring it this morning i'll be guest hosting for laura ingraham the governors going to the white house but democratic governors going to the white house, are they there to assess the damage? or are they there to support the president? we will bring you the answers tonight. over to "america reports." >> cheap fakes, misinformation, disinformation, do you have any regret over using that language? >> not