kids going to be in the white house. >> tiffany justice, thank you. speaking of j.d. vance's kids. >> carley: we have to bring you this cute nugget yesterday. yesterday senator j.d. vance shared what happened when he got the call to become president trump's running mate. >> when the president called me today to actually formally offer me to become vice presidential nominee. it's crazy. my 7-year-old son was sort of making noise in the background getting embarrassed. he actually has me put my 7-year-old son on the phone. you think about this. everything that's happened. the guy just got shot at a couple days ago and he takes the dime to talk to my 7-year-old. it's a moment he will never forget. >> carley: fun piece of information. something all parents relate. to say. >> todd: kids don't care when it' an important call comes. in seems like that's the time to start yelling with that -- >> carley: "fox & friends" starts right now. ♪ ♪

>> ainsley: a powerful moment. former president trump makes his first public appearance since narrowly surviving an assassination attempt. he greeted the crowd on the very first night of the republican national convention as god bless the u.s.a. played in the back ground. it was very touching. very emotional. watch. ♪ if tomorrow all the things were gone i worked for all my life ♪ and i had to start again ♪ just my children and my wife. [cheers and applause] ♪ i thank my lucky stars to be living here today ♪ because the flag still for freedom ♪ and they can't take that away. [cheers and applause] ♪ and i'm proud to be an american ♪ where at least i know i'm free ♪ and i won't forget the men who

died ♪ who gave that right to me [cheers and applause] ♪ and i gladly stand up next to you ♪ and defend her still today ♪ 'cause there ain't no doubt i love this land. >> sing it ♪ god bless the u.s.a. >> brian: you got a sense of it. he was met by roaring applause right here in milwaukee. his head still bandaged from the bullet that tore a hole right in his ear. >> steve: donald trump joining his newly named vice presidential pick. finally we found out yesterday ohio senator j.d. vance. hot campaign says embodies the forgotten man and woman. here's the moment mr. vance was officially nominated moments after getting the call from donald trump. >> it is, therefore, my honor to nominate ohio senator j.d. vance for the office of vice president

of the united states of america. >> lawrence: today's festivities kick off this afternoon after an electric first night. >> hello, milwaukee! [cheers and applause] we hereby nominate the greatest president that's ever lived and that's donald j. donald trump. >> as the republican nominee president of the united states. [cheers and applause] >> i never felt more free and more love from my country than i do now. this is where i belong. [cheers and applause] >> trump will be the first republican in a generation who will win new york state. [cheers and applause] >> all americans deserve a shot at the american dream. could this election be more simple? it's strength vs. weakness. >> if you didn't believe in miracles before saturday, you better be believing right now. [cheers and applause] >> he's here tonight to show his

courage, his defiance, please welcome donald j. trump. [cheers and applause] [chanting u.s.a.] >> lawrence: i mean, what a moment. >> steve: what a night. >> lawrence: we have all talked to the former president and had conversations, seeing him publicly. i have never seen him so emotional. you will never see him cry publicly. he will say it's weak or anything like that. looking at him he was taken back at the moment. and just to see that patch when he could very well be dead today if it weren't for the grace of god. >> ainsley: we were all waiting on j.d. vance to come up to the fox studio, which was there in the convention center. and when he came out everyone just turned to the stage. we were trying to find him in the audience. answered came up through the audience and went to go sit in the box with all of his family. when he was paul up the stairs to get to that box you could tell he was very emotional and

then he had god bless the u.s.a. lee greenwood played a monologue and talked about how this man was not supposed to be here. he almost lost his life. the whole crowd erupted. you could see donald trump jr. looks a little emotional. that's when he was going up the stairs, the president. >> steve: it's different for donald trump. donald trump, with all due respect is a different guy than he was four days ago because, you know, as he said, as he told the "new york post," and we reported yesterday, donald trump told them on the flight out to milwaukee, he said i'm not supposed to be here. i'm supposed to be dead he got a new lease on life. and when you look at the expression when he is going up, i think it was john potter horace something he had never seen on his face and that was gratitude. i almost didn't see tonight and i'm looking at it, thank you.

>> brian: couple things stand out. dr. ronny jackson. touch the ear all it does is bleed again. you need that thing so you can't manipulate it. it's one of those -- just that part of the ear. number two, this is usually ceremonial. so much drama. so, with j.d. vance walking out on the floor and i thought is he going to go up to the stage and he didn't. he just formally got nominated. donald trump formally nominated we knew he was going to be the nominee. that's true. there was talk he would walk around 4: 30. no, push it to tonight. popped up on the big screen before actually walking out on the floor, people went crazy. and then you think about the drama of what else is taking place. what's that speech going to be like on thursday and also what is going -- the reaction on the other side. and that brings us to our next soundbite. here is j.d. vance on how he found out that he was the pick.

>> the president called me today to actually formally offer me to become the vice presidential nominee, which just sounds crazy. my son, my 7-year-old son was sort of making noise in the background. getting so embarrassed oh my god donald trump is asking me to be his vice president. >> phone rings, he calls you are like okay, this is the call or maybe not the call. >> or maybe a bad call. it's the call who knows whether it's good or bad. he has me put my 7-year-old son on the phone. you think about this, everything that's happened. the guy just got shot at a couple days ago and he takes the time to talk to my 7-year-old. it's a moment i will never forget. >> sean got that exclusive interview, the very first interview. whoever was going to be the vice presidential pick sean was going to get that interview. yesterday, no one was sure whether or not it was going to be j.d. vance. >> we heard ben carson at the last minute. >> ainsley: that name as well. >> lawrence: apparently he got the call 20 minutes before the truth social post about him getting the job.

and as i said, when i interviewed him back when we were doing the vp apprentice almost, we all had a candidate to interview. is he was the most aligned with donald trump. >> ainsley: you lucky duck, you got the best pick. >> lawrence: first one up. if he was -- different candidates had different specialties, if he was going to go full blown maga the person most aligned was going to be j.d. vance. >> steve: sure, for 2024. j.d. vance is the first millennial running mate. when you look at the two of them standing right there. the guy on the right is 39 years old. and the guy on the left is in his 70s. and so you have got to figure that j.d. vance, you know, he wasn't picked because he is from ohio. there is no real electoral gain there he was picked to carry the torch, the maga torch, the america's first torch into the future. nobody can articulate donald trump's america first credo and

ideas better than the smooth-talking senator who, you know he was just sworn in last year as a freshman senator. so, you know, a lot of people say on day one, is he ready to be president? you know, barack obama got a lot of that same criticism back in the day. he is his pick. >> ainsley: he talked about his past. we have all either red the book or seen the movie. hillbi"hillbilly elegy." he grew up in a democratic family. he was a never trumper a while back. >> steve: vocal. >> ainsley: vocal about it called him in the atlantic called him america's hitler and cynical a-hole. >> steve: that's going to leave a mark. >> ainsley: a lot of americans can relate to that they weren't -- we interviewed some people that were democrats saying they are changing their mind at this time because of the jewish vote or whatever the issue might be. what i like about is he watched president trump as a president four years ago. and he liked what he saw.

and that changed his mind. he talked to sean hannity about that. a lot of people are going to play those old sound bites, probably. he flipped. he changed his mind. he said he bought into the media lies. watch this. >> my book came out in 2016. "hillbilly elegy." the story of growing up in poverty and achieving the american dream. starting out in business. i really didn't care that much about business. i certainly had views. i was a republican but i was not near lear as involved as i am today. again, something that really changed for me, and i think for a lot of americans is, we saw the results of the trump presidency compared to the obsessive, deranged media reaction in 2019 and 2020. like what's going on? what is so bad about this guy that he has delivered rising wages for american workers and peace in the world. why is the media so obsessed with him. a lot of americans have had a similar awaken over the last few years. you compare the results with the reaction and clearly the people with the reaction to the problem, that's not president trump's problem.

>> brian: and in so many ways he captured what trump wants to achieve. guys, do not believe how i'm being characterized. if you don't choose not to vote for me or not to like me. don't judge by vladimir putin put me here. don't judge it by i lost the popular vote. don't judge it by child separation policy which lasted a week. judge me by what i have done over the last four years. how i run and what i say. and if you have to listen to other channels to site them out and what donald trump is like. you might might hate him. think is he going to end democracy and not lee office if you listen to certain people. what he is trying to say is do what i did. listened to him and watched what he did. marco rubio could say the same exact thing. i obviously didn't think is he was going to be a good president and fight him until the end. they are talking about foreign policy again, utilizing each

other. getting insight. they become great friends because he stopped listening to what other people were saying and he started judging for himself. that's what the president wants to do, i imagine, starting thursday. guys, this is me. don't listen to what everyone is saying about me. listen to what i say, watch -- analyze what i did. look at what i gave you 25 things that i'm going to do. it's on the platform that i wrote. you don't need any anchor, any pundit, any columnist to tell you what i'm about. watch me. and that's what j.d. vance is saying, yeah, can you roll the clips all you want. i watched, i analyzed i concluded this is a guy i can support. he said i would not have won without donald trump endorsing. >> lawrence: to that point, brian, i think it's so valid in this time. because even -- i mean, we are going to talk about it later on today. the interview that biden did with. >> ainsley: lester holt.

>> lawrence: lester holt yesterday, they are still citing the charlottesville hoax. >> brian: first day. it's a con. >> lawrence: and j.d. exercised a lot of humility in that interview with sean talked about i believed a lot of that one thing i discovered when i interviewed him he goes, look, all my family were democrats. and they noticed it before i did. and they decided that donald trump was fighting for them and so through my family, i gave him a second look. but he goes i bought into all of the lies because that was what was being played on air. >> steve: yeah. you know, and we know how this works. as soon as somebody comes to promise and, in particular, the vice presidential nominee is named. people are going to go after. >> lawrence: digging up stuff. >> steve: yesterday, lawrence and i were having a root beer. >> ainsley: minus the root. >> steve: and my wife showed us this tweet from one of j.d.'s vance's college roommates. he is coming after him.

>> lawrence: yeah. >> steve: we're going to see a lot of this today. well, yesterday we saw a lot of members of the mainstream media who are in that building, and else where. going after the man from ohio. here's a little. >> it's going to be consequential for the world. even before we have the election. >> they picked someone who has quite a lot less experience than she did, even when she ascended to the vice presidency. >> is he a radical authoritarian, and trump has picked him. >> he is now picking a vice president who has pledged 100 percent loyalty to the cult of donald trump. >> donald trump found a younger extension of himself. >> he is unqualified. it's a singular issue. >> senator vance assumed the presidency say in the short-term next year or two. one of the least experienced and youngest presidents ever. >> he would never stand for the constitution before he would stand for donald trump. >> so it looks like they are open to him.

>> lawrence: ha! >> brian: looks like giving him a fair shot. broad background that's why i love governor burgum especially because j.d. vance has got the family and poverty. he has food subsistence programs. do you think he will get rid of meals on wheels and food stamps. they sustained his family. do you think he will be judgmental towards addiction? his mom has been clean for 10 years. you think he doesn't like rural people and they are beneath them? look at the environment he grew up in. >> ainsley: is he a hillbilly. >> brian: goes to a ivy league school and gets to see the other side. famous times in the movie about him where he hears people demeaning where he came from not knowing that he came from meager means and he had to stand up. >> lawrence: that's right. >> brian: even though is he 39 he has been through a lot. the thing that worried me and i said that to him his foreign policy. evidently, if you look at as mike pompeo said yesterday, it doesn't matter. the vice president doesn't make up foreign policy. >> ainsley: sorry, lawrence, i

loved when the president called him to say i want you to be my v.p. j.d. vance said this is the most important call in my life and my 7-year-old is making so much noise. let me talk to him. this salman just shot two days ago and now he wants to talk to my 7-year-old seven. you went to his house? >> lawrence: went to his house, very republicannive of his family. loves his wife. first interview his wife had done. to brian's point about his background, i know a lot of people on the left don't know who j.d. vance is. but i would be really careful with the typical attack that you would use against a republican because this is a guy that came from nothing and was around most average day poor people. you ever -- like i know being imabove irished growing up. the white kid that was in the community that struggled with us as well and played sports with

us as well. >> i don't think people understand how hard he works and how creative he is. everything he says and does is built on a foundation of so much thought. he is always trying to do better. >> lawrence: he dragged you to the senate race and now he wants to be vice president. are you ready for the scrutiny that comes with potentially being the second lady of the united states. >> i don't know if anyone is ever ready for that kind of scrutiny. we found the first campaign that he embarked on to be a shock. it was so different from anything we had ever done before. but, it was an adventure. i really -- i believe in j.d. and i really love him, so we will just see what happens with our life. we're open.

>> brian: do you know what is so rare for an anchor to be more comfortable on the vice president's couch than the actual vice president candidate. do you see how comfortable you look? hey, i have been here all my life. you look so comfortable. >> lawrence: when he invited me into his house make yourself at home. >> brian: you did. take a nap. >> ainsley: we say that to be nice. we don't really mean it. >> lawrence: okay be comfortable. >> brian: you were so comfortable. >> ainsley: they are showing it again. i didn't even notice. [laughter] >> brian: got to get going. >> ainsley: her top priority, her children, her husband. he said i'm a he husband and father before anything. his mom drug addict clean for 10 years. there was a point driving 100 miles per hour down the road we're both going to die. i'm going to crash this car so

we can both died. slowed down and stop and dried to beat him and he jumped out of the car. he has been through a lot. the media was trying to say if you are in abusive relationship you should stay in the relationship. he said did i not say that i was abused. i came from an abusive home, my mom and i did. he has three children now. he said his dad left him when he was 6. he said was that the hardest, quote, i was the saddest i had ever knelt. nothing compared to the revolving door of father figures. mom married five times. >> steve: as we were all trying to read the tea leaves who was it going to be? suddenly glenn youngkin what is he doing there donald trump met with r.f.k. jr. tried to get his endorsement. it didn't work out. >> brian: could be coming though, steve. >> steve: it could. one of the tells yesterday was somebody spotted secret service outside of j.d. vance's house. steve. >> lawrence: it was the capitol police staging just in case he was announced apparently preparing for.

one thing i remember because we all selected a candidate. one thing i appreciated from j.d. vance i asked him -- and we talked about this yesterday. i go, what if you don't get selected? how is that going to make you feel? he goes i would be disappointed about it. i will go. >> brian: i know. >> lawrence: i'll go back and be senator and everything. but it's going to make me feel a way. it's going to take me a while. >> ainsley: i think they all felt that way. >> lawrence: he was the only one that said it. and i said, you know, that's going to benefit him. >> ainsley: i talked to tim scott yesterday. he said i want to serve wherever god wants me to serve. he did say of course it's a disappointment. he would love to be vice president. >> steve: in the meantime get back to one of the top stories you have a question about. >> ainsley: fox news can confirm local police officers were warned about a suspicious person. >> lawrence: unbelievable. >> ainsley: trump pennsylvania rally. >> brian: this is getting worse and worse. a source says a local officer alerted state police of a suspicious man 30 minutes before the assassination attempt.

they took pictures. >> lawrence: unacceptable. jonathan serrie joins me from pennsylvania what he knows about the investigation. jonathan, 30 minutes? >> yeah, 30 minutes before. this according to a law enforcement source telling fox fox news digital that this local law enforcement officer 30 minutes before the shooting went to state police with a photo of this suspicious individual and that there was some conversation between law enforcement over whether this was a range finder that he was carrying or just a pair of binoculars. another law enforcement source telling fox news that there was a lot of police traffic during the rally indicating that officers were searching for a suspicious individual after getting tips from just everyday citizens at the rally. in fact, those citizens' initial sightings of an individual, a

suspicious individual on the roof of that building outside the rally were captured on cell phone video. watch. >> yeah. someone is on top of the roof. look. there he is right there. >> where? >> right there. see him? he is laying down. do you see him? >> yeah. is he laying down. >> officer. >> shouldn't be here. dangerous people. criminals. we have criminals. >> he's on the roof! >> that building just outside the secret service perimeter was used as a staging area for one of the local counter sniper teams according to a federal law enforcement source that was familiar with the security. two federal sources confirm reports that a local officer actually climbed up the roof and spotted the gunman who then pointed the weapon at him. prompting the officer to drop back down off the roof. according to local media, butler county sheriff michael sleep defended the officer's retreat telling kdkatv i would have done the same thing, absolutely.

people think the officers are super men like you hold onto the roof with one hand while you are hanging on for deer life and pull a gun out. it doesn't work that way. the secret service expressed solidarity with local law enforcement, releasing a statement this morning saying our agency composed of dedicated professionals. many from state and local departments cannot fulfill our mission without the support of courageous police officers. we are deeply grateful ran towards danger to locate the gunmen and local partners for unwavering support. any news suggesting the secret service is blaming local law enforcement for saturday's incident is simply not true saturday's events unfolded in a very short period of time. it's her responsibility she said to conduct a thorough investigation to make sure it doesn't happen again.

>> the secret service is responsible for the protection of the former president. >> so the buck stops with you. >> the buck stops with me. i'm the director of the discreet service. it was unacceptable and shouldn't happen again. we are going to continue to be transparent and communicated with people. >> you plan to stay on absolutely. >> i do plan to stay on. >> fbi officials say investigators have now unlocked the phone of the deceased shooter. 20-year-old thomas matthew crooks. agents have interviewed more than 100 people including crook's neighbors and members of the gun club where he did target practice. but the fbi is still trying to determine the motive in saturday's shooting. back to you guys. >> steve: jonathan at quantico the fbi phone experts were age to unlock the phone somehow. they haven't found any motive yet. i'm sure they have gone through all his stuff. have they figured whether or not he left a paper statement about sometimes we see manifestos, stuff like that. anything to explain why he climbed up on that roof and

started shooting? >> yeah. they did not find -- at least not that they have revealed publicly. they said they did not find a manifesto, that's really why they were urgently trying to unlock that phone, hoping that, perhaps, there was a digital trail of what was not left as a hard copy in print. >> brian: thanks, jonathan. they took their second picture of this guy 26 minutes before the shooting. all on walkie-talkies on the same headset. why wouldn't you just say we have a suspicious guy on top of the roof and 26 minutes before the shooting. if a guy has to a gun on top of the roof he should be target practice for a secret service sniper. >> lawrence: i do not understand why the president was not already in the car after they had identified the shooter 30 minutes prior to. that. >> brian: started later was supposed to start at 5:00. >> lawrence: that's right. >> ainsley: police officer went up on the roof and the gunman

allegedly. >> steve: face to face. >> ainsley: aren't you allowed to shoot them at that point? >> brian: he says he was on the ladder. >> ainsley: holding on with one hand. why didn't he gets down and say someone's on the roof? >> lawrence: that's the problem. the local police comms and secret service on different channels. most of the time they have like one or two people that are liaisons between the local police and secret service. you guys got to fix that for the director to say after this major failure that she is still going to stay on as a director? that's crazy. >> how many minutes went by after the police officer saw him on the roof and he got down from the roof. he had time to go get. >> steve: they say that they -- >> brian: the way i understand. the minute they made eye contact shots rang out right after he knew he had to shoot. he picked up the pace afterwards. imagine if they found him some of the preliminary speakers were up there, they could have stopped. this also thought he was suspicious on the ground. thought he was suspicious on the ground. just grab him. >> steve: that was their headquarters.

that's where they were actually staging things. there are a lot of stories out there. we knew about him for 30 minutes. we came in contact with him three times. at one point. >> lawrence: unbelievable. >> steve: this is a tell. the guy was one of the -- we don't know if it's secret service or local law enforcement, but he had the gun scope. and he is eyeballing where the speakers are. at that point. it's like at that point you just take him aside and you say let's take a look what's in your bag. >> brian: we think they might be binoculars so they backed off you are allowed to have binoculars. >> ainsley: say his dad is speaking. >> lawrence: spoke to local outlets he doesn't know what took place at that moment. as someone who is supportive of law enforcement. trained a lot of cops with their dogs. i haven't seen anything more egregious since uvalde, that you just sit and wait as the former commander-in-chief gets shot? i'm sure the people on his personal detail meant well, but,

advance, the planning all ofe is your dad the husband that was killed. >> steve: we saw him and took a picture of him what's the picture going to do? >> lawrence: that helps us. >> brian: that wasn't the only big news yesterday. >> ainsley: joe biden snapping repeatedly at lester holt. he had this interview on nbc. we knew this was going to happen. and les lester holt asked him t was the word he used? >> steve: bullseye. >> ainsley: bullseye. and the 's weighs remorseful for using that word. >> oh, it's not unusual going to surround himself with people who agree completely. on the record support him even if you go back and listen to the things j.d. vance said about trump. >> he said some things about you. >> he says some things about me. see what he said about trump. what's with you guys? come on, man. >> you called your opponent an existential threat on a call a week ago. you said it's time to put trump

in the bullseye. there is some dispute about the context but i think you appreciate the word. >> i didn't say crosshairs. focus on. the truth of the matter was i guess i was talking about at the time was there was very little focus on trump's agenda. >> term was bullseye. >> it was a mistake to use the word -- i didn't say crosshairs. i meant bullseye. i meant focus on him. focus on what he's doing. i'm going to debated him when we agree to debate and i'm going to debate him in september. >> but if the opportunity came up to do one between now and then? is there a sense of wanting to get back on the horse? >> i'm on the horse. where have you been? >> all right. mr. president, it's always good to talk to you, good to see you. thank you for making some time for us. >> sometime come and talk to me about what we should be talking about. >> lawrence: out of control? what wanted to talk about donald trump back and forth. at least i didn't say

crosshairs. katie pavlich is joining us live at the rnc. >> katie: good morning. >> steve: what did you make of the damage control joe biden was trying to do last ghit on nbc? >> katie: i think just overall the president and his party there calls for unity and toning down the temperature lasted about 12 hours. the president clearly used the oval office for political purposes, not to really bring the country together. i think the bigger issue than him using a term like bullseye is he is not at all willing to hold anyone accountable. mayorkas going out for the first press conference at the white house since this happened saying he is 100 percent confidence in the secret service. >> lawrence: how? >> katie: and the president has the ability to hold people accountable for what happened and he is not doing it. and another thing in a long list of catastrophic failures. afghanistan, the secretary of defense, disappearing for weeks at a time without telling anybody and then of course the former president almost being killed over the weekend. there is a lot of finger pointing going on and a complete

lack of accountability. you know, maybe you wants to wait for the investigation first. but you don't say you have 100 percent confidence. what would it take for them not to have confidence in at least someone at the secret service? >> brian: katy, the push to push him out continues. >> lawrence: yeah. >> brian: while he sits there defiantly and says i'm staying. worse scenario possible for the dnc is time is running out. the vice president would take the job. but nobody else would ever jump in at this point with donald trump as powerful as he is why would you go up there and get bludgeoned. and the thing is the president of the united states defiant. there is a sense nobody is telling him how bad polling is. >> lawrence: he says i'm still on the horse. >> ainsley: get back on the horse? i'm on the horse! >> katie: there is talk over the weekend because of what happened, the democrats the ones say he has to go trying to pull back their efforts to try to get i'm out. some people are still pushing forward with trying to do that it highlights the cynical nature of what he has been trying to do over the past 24 hours.

he has been trying to say that he is a unifying president. we are all americans. we are not enemies. he actually has a stake in this in the sense that he is desperate to save his first term. is he desperate for another term. he wants to save his candidacy. and now you are seeing him going back to the retz rick. >> ainsley: do you think he will drop out? >> katie: i don't think is he going anywhere, absolutely not. if he doesn't want to go. he is not going. and is he not going. jill is not going either. i don't think is he going anywhere. >> steve: if he is talking about unity, hard to be the head of a party in the middle of a civil war about whether or not you should be the leader. >> katie: can't unify your own party going to be difficult to unify the country. interesting shift in tone after four years of this president and entire party not only going after donald trump but going after anybody who voted for him as a maga extremist. existential threat to democracy. it's quite interesting that they are trying to switch the tone now as the president is drowning when it comes to his own party.

>> lawrence: katie, as he is drowning, you got the former president, and i just got to get your reaction to the moment he walked in and the -- so many people were shocked at the moment because you see the bandage of a bullet that went through his ear, essentially and they had to stitch it back together it. looks like the former president was taken back. >> katie: yes,absolutely u i was in the arena. watched him walk. in and he -- never seen him like that. we watch him all the time. is he one of the most item advised presidents in the history of the country. to say see him walk out and to just have that emotion on his face. clearly he has been through so much over the past six years as he has entered politics. over the past 48 hours his life was on the line and he knows that and is obviously a very humbling moment for him and to walk into a crowd of people who were there to support him after he barely escaped death. i think was a huge thing for him and huge thing for the country. >> brian: do you know what reminds me of. that is a perfect match for the

mood that melania put in that letter. it's the family. he's a family person. you think he is a political animal. is he a father, a grandfather. he is a husband, and that's what this is about. and start revisiting why you have the animosity towards him, because he is a human being, and that 20-year-old monster, her words, does not understand that. >> lawrence: to that point, katie, i mean i think one thing that we learned is that the thig that we learned is that the former president can still bleed, too. >> katie: of course. >> lawrence: we saw the visual representation of that there had been a time where the media acted like he wasn't a human. >> katie: also noticed secret service detail all men, men as tall as he was. they took notes after what happened on saturday. >> brian: i did not notice that indicate indicated that was a noticeable change. yes, he is a human being. and he acknowledged, of course, before he went to that rally

that saturday morning that he is choosing a vice president because god forbid something were to happen they need to take over. >> brian: katy has secret j.d. hats secretservice too now. >> ainsley: i don't remember if ivanka posted or somebody else used a picture of her children. it said to these three children's just a grandfather. >> katie: that's right. is he a human being. saw that last night. >> steve: katie, thank you very much. recap of day one. today is day two. and the theme is "make america safe again." ton contender for the vice presidential job governor doug burgum. is he outside. he joins us next. >> ainsley: today is day two the second big day of the rnc with the theme make america safe once again. coming up next. we're going to talk to two families. look at these pictures. both of their sons are among the countless lives that have been lost to america's crime crisis.

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♪ >> ainsley: as crime ravages american cities, day two of the rnc is spotlighting the endless drug and violence problems that are plaguing our nation. i am joined by three people who are forced to confront this reality every single day. erin rockwell lost her 19-year-old son logan. look how gorgeous he was. look at that picture. lost him to fentanyl poisoning in 2021. he was so young. and later that same year, erin and sherri sparks lost their 8-year-old son jackson. and in that christmas parade, waukesha christmas parade. it was an attack at the hands of a career criminal today is make

america safe again and that's message. what do you love about donald trump and how he could save some other families from going through what you went through. >> thank you, ainsley for having us on. i so appreciate this. this is such an amazing opportunity for us to talk about that, right? donald trump wants our community and our world and four national, you know, whole country safe. and safety is why we're all here and why there's thousands and thousands of people, specifically with our story, with fentanyl, people coming across the border and just killing millions of americans. last year alone we lost over 70,000 people. it's the number one killer in america right now. >> ainsley: is that because the border is open. not medical fentanyl comes across the border. >> this is a list of fentanyl. when we talk about with kids and students and presentations we clearly explain. this is illicit. these are analogues being made. it's strong. they are making it stronger. they are driving addiction. >> ainsley: moving forward you want this border closed.

>> the border needs to be closed. i have a really good example. this is 20 milligrams of fentanyl not real fentanyl. 20 milligrams what we weighed it out to be. this kills 10,000 people. >> ainsley: a grain of sand, right? this is what it took to kill my son. >> ainsley: can you barely even see it. tell me about jackson. 8 years old. he is at a christmas parade. >> we were walking about both of our boys were walking with their baseball team for the christmas parade. we set it up. you think you can go to a christmas parade and they are handing out candy, having a good time and utter chaos happens. >> ainsley: this could have been prevented, you say aaron. >> the man who did this multiple felon out on low bail multiple times. we keep thinking about the whole idea of how could someone who has just a past via locialt past

and crimes. get out on such a low bail. 70 people injured. a lot of children and families out trying to enjoy a christmas parade. >> ainsley: if we keep these career criminals behind bars where they should be, innocent victims are not going to be killed. who do you blame for this? >> i think our system is broken in some sense. we need bail reform. we need to be harder on crime. you know, we can't let, you know, criminals who have such past have such low bail. we should have a system in place in order to identify these things and make sure that they can't hurt. >> ainsley: what was he like? >> jackson was a spit fire. he was painfully shy in public. but at home he was -- he was the one i worried about. [laughter] >> ainsley: i have one of those, too. >> he is the second one. his older brother is my responsible, overthinker, worrier and jackson did without thinking.

[laughter] but he was a bright light. >> ainsley: what about logan? >> logan was a sensitive kid. he loved animals. he played basic from very little on. a charming kid. he was also -- i tell people he was the sensitive bullied kid so just really would kind of do anything for anyone. and so he was very vulnerable. and the night he passed away he was at university of wisconsin just a few miles down the road. in his dorm road. had upset night on valentine's day, took a pill it was fake it, looked real. killed him within minutes and we got that call on valentine's evening. and it's interesting to piggyback off of like what, you know, these parents are saying also because the same thing with logan -- you know, the dealer he bought the person from. it was the same thing. he had a history, i mean a history of crime. >> ainsley: what happened to him? >> he should not have been on the streets and he was.

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>> my mom struggled with addiction for a big part of my life. that's my ma'am may raised me. accept the good with the bad. i wouldn't see the world the same way i see it without that experience. i really do see it as a blessing. >> brian: j.d. vance sharing his journey to the american dream. born into poverty. this is actually ron howard made this a movie and now went to the g.o.p. ticket as donald trump.

next guest on the very, very short list. governor doug burgum. governor, great getting to know you over the last few months. unfortunately you are not the vp nominee. your thoughts about j.d. vance? >> i think we have got a very strongs ticket with president trump and j.d. vance and these two together are going to represent that strength that we need to move forward. i think, brian, we are only -- we are not even two and a half days from what could have been a catastrophe and a tragedy for our entire country. hard to think that last night when president trump walked into the arena electrified a convention like maybe hasn't happened in decades and decades at any political convention of either party that he is a millimeter away from us being in mourning and in chaos as a country, as opposed to last night just celebrating the strength of president trump. >> brian: governor, is he your friend. you as friend to friend. what was it like when you heard and what was it like when you saw the video? >> we were watching live catherine and i when the rally

happened. and, of course, immediately, you could tell there had been a shooting. and it was -- it was -- when he went down you are like wow. i think the whole country was holding their breath for minutes. when he stood up and raised his fist and you could tell that he was okay. that was a -- just -- that's a moment i think -- that picture going to be in kids' school books 100 years from now as a turning point for our country. this is almost like what if the guy had missed jfk? how would the country have changed? this was historic turning point for us. and i think very fortunate and we just -- divine prove dense that president trump is even still alive. >> brian: what is your call like. whether you got it or not i will call you. he called you? >> he can the first thing he said was mr. secretary, so, he is upbeat. always positive. of course, i think he is really living in a movement gratitude right now coming after this near death experience.

and he has always been so supportive of catherine and i, been appreciative of us being on the campaign trail with him. and very fun way to start a conversation. >> brian: nbc story that he was ready to pick you and eric and don walked in and said don't do that. go with j.d. vance and he flipped. what's your thoughts about that. >> i think there is a lot of powerful people that were lobbying for all the finalists at the end. >> that's the way it goes in these contests. and. >> brian: you are a politician. >> there was a lot of people making calls for the finalists and of course but family is very important to president trump and he has got to listen to those around him and have been with him his whole life. >> brian: president biden has done a great job of alienating a lot of people like elon musk. in turn they are suing him. they are going after him various ways. he has decided to form a super pac not only endorsing former president trump 45 million per month new political group going to support donald trump and gotten others to join, too.

like joe lonsdale and others. your thought on having this kind of impact having musk aboard will be like. >> a huge impact. not a huge surprise to me. over the past six months and even before that over the last year talking to people that have ties back to silicon valley is they understood that joe biden's energy policies were not going to allow us to win the ai, the artificial intelligence arms race with china. china is opening up a power plant almost one a week right now. and those -- these are 1980 style coal plants. but they are going to have enough elected for the a.i. arms race. here in our country. joe biden is shutting down base load elected. destabilizing the grid. causing increases in electrical prices. americans -- we're 5% of the world's population. 25% of the world's economy. but 50% of the marketed cap. and these companies that we have these trillion dollars tech companies they need elected to maintain their future plans. and joe biden is not going to

deliver that. >> brian: he doesn't get it. and alienating the number one electric car maker in the world so go figure. that's why sean o'brien is there if you make electric cars it hurts the unions. >> it hurts the unions but you are not going to drive electric trucks. these are truck drivers. >> brian: is there anything you don't understand? governor, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> brian: back in a moment. great conch of all the breaking news behind me. these are our guests. don't move. ♪

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