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new twist is kamala harris prepares to announce her running mate and donald trump was on the attack. ♪ >> harris is a most ultra left-wing agenda of any presidential candidate ever in history. >> you have noticed donald trump is soon resorting to some wild lies about my record. and some of what he in his running mate are saying is just plain weird precode trump campaign to work to the break of the media and fundraising blitz over harris and who she may pick for vp ahead of next week's a battleground to work. then president biden takes a victory lap over at landmark prisoner swap with russia. cocook seven how does it feel to finally be home? [laughter] >> middle east tensions had a breaking point we will discuss white house national security communications advisor john kirby what the president's a lame duck status means for america's role in the world. get reaction from senator lindsey graham democrat chris

murphy a member of senate foreign. plus shannon sits down exclusively with justice neil nl gore section talks the president election year push to reshape the supreme court. >> how does the court feel about potential term limits ethics and codes bgoes by someone that is ? jacqui: alt right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ hello from foxnews in washington a check of the headlines, tropical storm debbie is gaining strength as it moves so if the gulf of mexico it up the western coast of florida. it could make landfall by late tonight or early monday morning as a hurricane. in washington saturday at u.s. district judge ruled donald trump presented quote no meaningful evidence the white house or justice department targeted him for prosecution sweeping aside for now his efforts to dismiss federal criminal election interference

case against him. u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin ordered more workshop warships and jet squadron to the middle east as iran vows revenge on israel for the recent association of hezbollah and hamas leaders but white house communication advisor john kirby senator lindsey graham. we will go on the ground in israel with trey yingst. first will charge a fox news correspondent lucas tomlinson at the white house with the fallout from a prisoner swap with russia that brought home three americans. >> good morning put outside the nation's capitol president biden welcomed home those three americans freed in a prisoner swap with russia. the looming threat from my ron followed in the flightline. >> chance at chance for rain cee ruined after the assassination? looks it is not help. >> americans return hours after president biden spoke to israel's prime minister one day after the assassination of hamas a political leader inside iran.

biden reportedly told netanyahu to stop escalating tensions in the region. wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich reunited with his family after being detained unjustly for 16 months. former u.s. marine paul whelan held for over five and a half years. and alsu kurmasheva radio liberty. vice president harris celebrated the moment. >> this is just an extraordinary testament to the importance of having a president who understands the power of diplomacy. on understands the strength that rests in understanding significance of diplomacy and strengthening alliances. >> 5000 miles away from anders a similar scene played out in moscow. russian president vladimir putin welcomed home convicted spies and hackers. including an assassin who was freed from a german prison.

not all detained americans made it home including a schoolteacher and a ballerina. former secretary of state mike pompeo says things were different during the trump administration. >> we were not going to create a market that encourage the ayatollah and iran or the chinese government or the russian government to take more innocent americans. >> it anders president biden was asked if he had a message for putin. the president responded with a one word answer stop. >> lucas tomlinson reporting from the white house, lucas thanks. joining us now is trey yingst in israel. jackie, good morning. on the brink of a much larger war overnight dozens of rockets were fired by hezbollah into northern israel played the barrage marked a routine event along the border expected by iran and its proxies in response to the killing of hamas political leader. iranian officials reportedly arrested two dozen people link

to the intelligence failures that led up to that targeted assassination. funeral was held late last week. mourners a gathering before he was buried. another funeral was held for a hezbollah commander killed an israeli airstrike in beirut. the group's leader has a valid revenge. multiple countries including jordan and france are calling on their citizens to leave lebanon immediately. american assets are moving closer to the region along with thousands of american marines and sailors with a 12 warships for the pentagon said this is part of a deterrence force and that further escalation is not inevitable. >> the secretary will be directing multiple forthcoming force posture moves to bolster force protection for u.s. forces regionwide. to provide elevated support to the defense of israel. and to ensure the united states is prepared to respond to this evolving crisis. >> here in the northern city there is concern among us really

officials the possibility of my ron tried to target the port behind me. what are the most sensitive locations in israel. jacqui: trey yingst reporting from israel, thanks. joining a snout white house national security communication advisor john kirby. admiral, thank you so much for being with us f for. >> good to be with you. jacqui: last with the present with israeli premise in the oval office in the first time in four years. they talked about progress towards a cease-fire. days later u.s. is sending warships and fighter jets to defend israel from iranian retaliation in t that region and appears on the brink of a wider war. did netanyahu keep president biden the dark? >> i will not speak to the decision-making out of tel aviv and the prime minister and his office but i would see a couple of things we never will if still believe a cease-fire deal is the best way to bring this war to an end. it is also, we believe very possible. the gap certain narrow enough to close for the other thing we've been doing since the seventh of october's making sure not only israel has what it needs to

defend itself, but that this war to set escalate to become >> brought her a regional war a regional conflict. that is what you are seeing us do continuing this week by sending additional forces to the region. on the supreme leader says it's going to eventually have to take that seriously i do not know what they're going to do when they're going to do it but we we'vegot to make darn sure we ae ready whip capabilities in the region to build help israel defend itself and quite frankly defend our own people, our own facilities our own national security interests. jacqui: too that point it appears the president is frustrated with netanyahu xes reported this week i didn't quote warn netanyahu of escalates again he should not count on the u.s. to bail him out the u.s. official said. licking that detail to a domestic audience might send one message are you are at all concerned a foreign audience seeing that might be daylight between israel and the u.s. and bold and iran? looks or been very, very consistent not sing this were escalate and get broader we have also been very consistent about

proving not just with words but with action we are going to stand up and defend israel on april 13 when iran clutched the heater missiles and drones the united states at aircraft fighter planes in the air to knock them down. we have now added additional naval and air assets to the recent hope defend israel again. we have proven time and time again were going to support israel it looks really quickly up to the ask about was the vice president briefed on the decision to send warships that she agreed and as she communicated to netanyahu she continues biden's policy towards israel? plus i will not speak to future policies that the vice president might enact should she become elected that's will be on the scope of my expertise she absently was a party and parts of the decision to add additional resources. >> rescinded the plea deal that would have spared the 911 plotters the death penalty. president biden asked him to do

that? lexus of the decision made by the secretary of defense is independent decision by him. certainly within his authorities says in the chain of command at the defense department. >> administration had a hard time defending it this week i want to play for you some sound here. >> we are going to talk to one of the families of the victims coming up in 30 minutes as you can best assume they are not happy. >> of course not. and certainly we recognize and understand the concerns they have expressed regrets our hearts go out to the families who lost a loved one. we are determined to make sure they get justice these families get justice. >> was the president willing to let these terrorists escape the harshest penalty in the system of justice and let that be part of his legacy question. >> again this is a decision made by convening authority the military chain of command and independent convening authority. >> he did not win it all question of the secretary of defense has the authority to change the delegation of that of

that authority to the convening authority i know that sounds kind of complicated but he has the authority to do that for he did this on his own request of the president why end? >> this is a decision made by the secretary of defense. jacqui: i did not hear an answer on the topic of consequences a lesser plea for these plotters might've sent a message of witnessed u.s. enemies. while the u.s. send a similar message about consequences to russia after the historic prisoner exchanges week? >> very happy if designation on russia we've told americans not to go to russia we have enacted sanctions using the levinson act will do that again and of course we are trying to make people publicly aware of the risks of traveling to certain countries around the world. that make no apologies we will make no apologies about bringing innocent people home. far better to have those folks home then rotting in a russian jail for crimes they did not commit. no apologies about making this deal for all of the arguments twice with iran with turkey

these is a tough decisions have to make. >> the talks to bring focal home. days spoke with the family question. >> the state department i know it's been in touch i've assured them as we have assured that we were trying to mark to be a part of this deal tried on a couple of occasions the russians were not biting does not mean were giving up. everything we do one of these deals were used that knowledge to see if we get mark home where he belongs for. >> thank you so much for being here. admiral john kirby thanks. joining is now south carolina senator lindsey graham. senator, thank you so much for being here. >> president trump reacted to this a prisoner exchange at his rally last night. listen to this. >> i would like to congratulate vladimir putin for having made

yet another great deal. did you see the deal he made? look we want to get people in we have 59 hostages and i that never paid anything. they released some of the greatest killers anywhere in the world. some of the most evil killers. jacqui: •-middle-dot do you believe this increase pollutants leverage over the west? >> absolutely. we have got a cycle here. we have trumped up charges against americans. you accuse them of things they didn't do. you put them in jail you only release them went we have to release russian spies and killers the cycle needs to stop absolutely. all i can say is i don't think russia would have invaded ukraine on trump's watch i don't think would have the mid east on fire if trump were still president. iran is running wild. the source of all of these problems is weakness. people believe america is weak and they're taking advantage. jacqui: center in october 2020

trump facilitated the release of 250 rebels in exchange for two americans and the remains of a third that were held in a yemen by a running back to militants how is that any different than what president biden did this week? >> what we have done is released killers and salads all over the world and western custody. restaurant charges americans for crimes they did not commit. foreign nationals crime they didn't commit. they asked for their people to be released you were spies and thugs and killers. when president trump was president not one missile was fired at american ships in the red sea when trump was president was not attacked at anytime sine the holocaust went president trump would rush it did not

invade ukraine. went president trump was president you do not have fentanyl coming across the border to kill everybody in the entire world. there's a lot of differences between the trump protestants py biden-harris. >> how does this prisoner swap efaffect the war in ukraine? the somewhat of a stir and the complex negotiation treat russia get things done that might have some consequences for their country which is surviving on a borrowed money or donated money and also weapons. so what does what is this mean r ukraine? wasn't the best thing for ukraine is for them to continue to resist the russian invasion the weapons we are sending them they're using to good effect. at the end of the day i think the iranians see this as of yet another sign of weakness. for doing more things they should get.

making all of our enemies more provocative not less. >> touted the importance of diplomacy and alliances and making this a prisoner exchange happened. listen to this. >> i would say if you had not had joe biden sitting in the oval office i don't think this would've happened. >> has been skeptical about the value of nato. [laughter] >> i agree with that. >> there are concerns president trump might withdraw the u.s. from nato. is this a time for president trump to make clear what is nato policy is? >> he had for years and nato contributed more to the common defense and at any time since the founding of nato. here's what nato should understand about a second trump term you had better pay your fair share. it is not unfair to have nato contribute more. 2% is not unreasonable.

he is going to insist they do more. this all started but we withdrew from afghanistan. it set in motion a reign of terror on this planet and kamala harris said publicly on camera she was the last person in the room with the president biden before he decided to withdraw all forces from afghanistan. if that is true and she encouraged them to withdraw it she should never be in another room again making an important decision because she does not know what she is doing. jacqui: said it wanted to order the topic before right have t time. president trump has raised incendiary question about the vice president's racial identity reposted an image of her birth certificate on "truth social" this week. after a lot of criticism for this, listen here. >> she was always of indian heritage. and she was only promoting indian heritage. i did not know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black is she indian or is she

black? jacqui: as of this language alienate millions of black voters including from your state? >> yes, 30% of might status african-american. nikki haley is of indian heritage and one of her children married an african american clemson football player. here's what i was a shoe president trump. the problem i have with kamala harris to stop her heritage it is her judgment. she has been wrong about everything. she tried to explain what she would do about inflation and upcoming recession it made no sense. it is gibberish. she has been in the witness protection program. no one will ask her a hard question. every day we are talk about her heritage and not hurt terrible dangerous liberal record throughout her entire political life. it's a good day for her in a bad day for us. i want to encourage president trump to prosecute the case against kamala harris' bad

judgment. jacqui: it does not seem these receive that message yet he had introductory speaker last night doubled down on this conversation would you advise he just stopped talking about that? looks at think mr. president this is your election to lose it's important you went to reset a broken border and get the world in order. the american people are looking to have their problem solved. i think your presidency was an incredible presidency for national security and prosperity. as to georgia. georgia is there for the taking. think governor kemp was a great governor. lowering taxes, less regulation. i think you voted for camp and you want to vote for harris that makes no sense. i am hoping they can repair the damage to win georgia. estate if we win as well on the way to winning electoral votes for if we lose georgia it could be a very long nights. so, let's win this election but how about that let's win the election we cannot afford to

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have changed her stance on for the current vice president views coming under a microscope and that she leads the ticket join him in a connecticut democratic senator chris murphy. senator, thank you for being here. >> yes of course. jacqui: advice at present is not held any press conferences or done any interviews since the ticket changed. but her team has been putting out word through the media she's not as liberal as she once was the "new york times" writes in addition to changing her position on fracking, campaign officials said she backed the biden administration budget request for increase border funding or funding for border enforcement longer supported a single-payer health insurance program echoed mr. biden's call's are banning assault weapons but not a requirement to sell them to the federal government. why are we hearing this from anonymous officials and set her from her directly? >> first of all kamala harris has been for border security. the fact of the matter is this campaign is going to involve an enormously important contrast which we need biden/harris

administration has pushed for by person border security there to fix the proms of the board of donald trump who killed the bipartisan deal today border crossings are lower at the southwest board within the were at the end of the trump presidency there is a contraception democrats kamala harris is serious and republicans were not. the question over fracking, fracking can be done a lot more safely today than it could've been done for years or eight years ago. i cannot speak for the vice president everybody should be open to new information that will educate your positions. there is also a reality on drilling and fossil fuel exploration. we are doing more drilling more fossil fuel exploration today than during the trump administration we have had $40 billion of investment in clean energy so kamala harris and joe biden show you can continue to exploit american natural resources while increasing investment in clean energy. he said he wanted to drill but was terrible at it. let's go back to the board he brought it up. you have tried to distance the

vice president from this administration's greatest vulnerability which is the border. some democrats have tried to minimize her role in addressing the crisis usual the washington examiner this week was given a job to reduce migration from central america she did incredibly well stunningly well. the numbers to show it different picture 4.31 million migrants from these countries specifically crossed into that theu.s. since 2021 it is up to e to 40% from trump's turn 34% for the obama years how is that stunningly well? >> i'm squinting to read your figures but the figures i have seen show from the three northern triangle countries that kamala harris was putting in charge of >> migration from, migration has dropped 50 -- 60% from those countries. >> over the course of the term because it started so high. >> it started so high in part because of a series of crisis it unthat unfolded during the trump administration. what drove the increase in

migration was in part huge increase to travel from a country like venezuela which was plunged into economic crisis because of donald trump's policies. kamala harris was given important but discrete task she was able to dramatically reduce migration from those countries and again apples to apples crossings of the southwest border are lower today than they were at the end of the trump administration >> we could talk for long time up venezuela but i want to talk about the supreme court proposal. this week the white house said they were open to eliminating the filibuster to get this across. listen to what they said. >> eliminate the filibuster. >> look heat laid out the three ways he wants to move forward we are going to have hopefully a healthy debate with congress on what this is going to look like. >> actually said will have a healthy debate. >> about the question of filibuster? sweet welcome a healthy debate on how to move forward.

>> the topics of these proposals are one thing it has been well discussed all week long the mechanism of how you do it really has not been explored would you support a limiting the filibuster to make this happen? >> absolutely i speak for myself. i do not think a democracy can allow for 40% of the united states senate to stand in the way of progress it's popular with the american public. 90% of the american public supports background checks on gun sales we cannot pass the united states senate not because we can get 50 but because we can't get 60 united states senators. there aren't many very popular proposals that we cannot pass simply because of the filibuster but let's talk for a second about the supreme court the supreme court is captured by corporate interest today. the american public knows that yes we should also have a conversation about what to do about a supreme court that is increasingly a way out of step with the american public and

with some members are brazenly corrupted. jacqui: are what you just said about a limiting the filibuster you are it campaign surrogate is this the position of the harris campaign as well? so i will at the harris campaign speak for themselves. all i know is i want democracy to respond to the american public when they want something done right now the filibuster often stands a live getting that done progress help me too understand this the president's own commission to study this proposal concluded parties who use their majority using power to restructure independent institutions for political ends can undermine the values of the constitution this is directly from the commission. in recent years we have seen democratic corrupted backslide with judicial independence democratic systems most resistant to this prospect are those in which an electoral majority is not sufficient to change the fundamental structure of institutions such as the courts. are you concerned are literally the filibuster put the u.s. on track for some of that

democratic backsliding you mentioned venezuela. we have seen other countries slide into backslide. >> what is at the heart of any democracy? eight majority of americans who elect leaders who ag agree with them getting what they want. i think when there is a majority of congress in favor of a policy that policy should get to the president's desk so it yes kamala harris is probably going to run on a series of reforms to make democracy work better. contrast that with donald trump who is a promise on day one to become a dictator to suspend democratic norms running on project 2025 platform calls for touring the department of justice into an operation to hunt political opponents and kill political dissent i think there be a clear contrast of the selection between kamala harris' going to run a platform to make democracy work better and donald trump was promising to suspend

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[cheering] jacqui: donald trump rallying rg support is a battleground state georgia last site the same venue kamala harris was at earlier this week our own market merit of this was their there joininw from atlanta. >> good morning to former president trump spent much of his time at websites relate launching new attacks against vice president kamala harris while he did not bring up race like he you did the other day in chicago, he made it clear is still trying to define both her candidacy and her record to the country. >> now they are saying isn't she wonderful? isn't she wonderful no, she is not wonderful we have to work hard to define her and there's never been anybody like that she is considered more left-wing

then create a seat bernie sanders. look at her she is worse than bernie. and she happens to be a low iq individual. >> trump was ready to debate harris but not on abc that was the network trump agreed to work with him is running against president biden-harris says abc event should stand her campaign writing device at present will be there one way or the other to take the opportunity to speak to a prime time national audience. we're happy to discuss further debates after the white of both campaigns have already agreed to. at the relic trump launched multiple attacks on georgia sitting republican governor brian kemp. trump and kemper wants political allies but had a major falling out after the 2020 election. trump claims kemp should have done more to help them in the state. for this fundraising data from july it shows the harris campaign had a huge a month with donor support bringing in more than $300 million just in july. trump's team brought in wonder 39 million he's tells a sizable

warchest with more than $300 million cash on hand. donors will likely be paying attention to the vice president running mate selection those two candidates are getting ready to hit the trail together. the making stops in several seven battleground states this week ahead. jacqui: mark meredith reporting from atlanta thank you discuss allies of the race to the white house with our panel and a second period first, shannon sat down with justice neil gorsuch at the supreme court and has his response to president biden's proposed reforms. >> you are not in a bubble here at the courts. there are real world events happening. the president has proposed now changes to the court support its appearance by vice president looks like she's going to be the democratic nominee. how does the court feel about potential changes in term limits? these codes enforced by selma and ways it is not now? quick shannon you are not going to be surprise i'm not going to get into what is now a political issue during a presidential election year.

i do not think that would be helpful. i have one thought to add, it is the independent judiciary means what is it mean to you as an american? when you're unpopular you can get a fair hearing under the law and under the constitution. if you are in the majority you don't need judges and juries to hear you and protect your rights. they are popular. it's there for the moments when the spotlight is on you. when the government is coming after you. and don't you want a ferociously independent judge and a jury of your peers to make that decision question rick isn't that your rate is an american? and so i just say be careful. >> 's sign for the sunday group wall street journal white house reporter catherine lucey rich lowry the energy for former review former white house special assistant dnc confession consultant meghan hays and bob

cusack editor-in-chief of the hilt. bob, i will start with you. will this ever get there congress? >> it has no shot. a special look at the senate map. even when democrats had huge majorities they could not pass the tax increases they wanted too. to fire up the left that's going nowhere. >> you think president trump will be sounding off about this. we have seen headlines dominated by lot of other issues this week. cat ladies among them. you wrote jd vance is running like he is in a primary. is that the right approach less than 100 days from the election? >> you know it. and donald trump three weeks after the first debate had the best general election. he has ever had the size nearly it was fantastic in the last week has been his worst week in this election there is always been this internal contest that just has to do with trump. will he do more to try to remind

people of what they liked about his time as president? or will he do more to remind them what they didn't like about how he conducted himself? the last week and stephanie been the latter. >> the vice president is about to choose her running mate and head on a tour of battleground states. which pic would best help her with them map to get to 270? ask anyone she pic will be a good government card to her make her feel comfortable making the decision to be the best fit for her. they'll have pluses and minuses to them i was a shapiro brings pennsylvania mark kelley's in arizona. secretary pete has ties to michigan they all have something special to the map but who is going to help her and who is going to help her with her message and who was going to be a good governor and partner for her that is what she's looking for proactive that suggests or other states back and play outside of the blue wall? that was the conventional understanding. >> i think the whole map is back up late north carolina i think everything is back in play here because it's a different campaign then it was two weeks

ago. they raise $200 million in 10 days the enthusiasm that she has in her favor is massive right now. she's going to name her pic goinpickgoing into the conventie fall was going be tough but i think right now she definitely has the momentum behind her. jacqui: catherine the campaign has an out some big names this week david among the obama alualumsjoining the harris team. their bit in the past tensions between biden loyalists and the obama world. i just wondered, do you foresee obama era hires taking a new approach on the weight they shape her campaign versus how they engage with you with the biden white house and the biden campaign? >> i think what you are saying the vice president try to put her own stamp on this campaign she has kept the biden team largely intact the campaign chair is still in place, still calling the shots. but she is bringing annexed to people as consultants to help fill out her team.

i think what you are going to see is a shift not necessarily in policy but some of the style and message. they are a little more punchy they are a little more in-your-face you seek him trying out the language about republicans being weird i was at the atlanta rally this year for this week it was a very different tone with harris there you had people dancing people chanting lines back at her. you are seeing new messaging new energy. quickset time with bob i saw your nod too. >> pic too. >> i think her messages much better than by divided with a backward and say look at my accomplishments which honestly pulls the show is not getting a lot of credit for that. harris is about the future and what she's going to do but at the same time we need to to where she stands a lot of this issue and she's got to do a media interview soon because voters deserve to know that greg is it strange we are hearing she has abandoned her more liberal policies to anonymous sources in the media?

that's a matter of discussion and debate for weeks she's changed about 10 things without any explanation they apparently think they can run base not a basement but a teleprompter campaign maybe they will do one big interview with relatively safe. otherwise they clearly don't trust her unscripted and unscripted environments. >> i sit down interview after the pic has announced? she has to do intercepts part of running for president. that is part of what she is doing i don't think she is hiding she is capitalizing on the momentum of smart people get their news down differently social media's huge plate you see them playing into that. >> stay with us panel we will be back with more. we saw emotional reunions this week three americans returned home after prisoner swap with russia we will discuss how that deal came to pass and why now, next. ou believe in.

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media companies. oppose ab 886. paid for by ccia. jacqui: wall street journal reporter struggled to find the words after he landed back that inthat it sets up a personal swp with russia. we are back now with the panel. catherine, i just want to know what it is like for you and your colleagues behind the scenes when you learn evan was coming home? >> is of such an emotional day for a lot of people but really the journal we waited so long for this but so many people had worked her privately and publicly so hard i think a lot of us had met his family and we are just so glad he's home. it was a very emotional day in the news and for a lot of people. >> as you have any advance notice there's hope there?

>> i did not we were hopeful all along and we were waiting for this. there is now a lot of reporting about what went into this deal how long it was how complicated how many countries and leaders it took. but i'm really glad he's home. jacqui: we are too. meg and the campaign has been trying to credit the vice president for this event as well put the white house has said this week it was joe biden and his relationships, his foreign policy document an he seems to e leaning into his foreman mapping out a legacy tour of sorts in the final months of his time in office is that also a signal has a presence on the campaign trail does not help paris question. >> a couple things the white house did signal that bp did have some impact here should know some folks at the security conference i do think she played a role i do not want to take away from that.

i don't think the president being on the campaign trail hurts or it's exactly what's needed and asked. he sold that leader of the party he's the elder statesman who brings a lot to the table a lot of democrats have a ton of respect for him. just like 2016 he was out for hilary i think what to 15 or 20 countries i think he won't balance what he needs to balance here and he still the president still needs to be doing things i don't miss it so think is a presence will hurt i just don't think he'll be on the trail with her as much as if he was running. they will be selected when they use him too. >> maybe not as much as he seemed to indicate when he piped in his voice at campaign headquarters right up there with her. harris has been breaking records on the fundraising. trump is trying to keep pace at least with the ad spending in pennsylvania specifically. what does that tell you about this election, this race? worksheet obviously is had a huge burst of momentum. she's gone from a month ago a

subpart vice president now she's the second coming of barack obama a lot of it has a sheer media a lot is relief among democrats no longer having biden at the top of the ticket. her case what we were talking about earlier you may be did not like biden very much i am a third force i'm fresh and new. no she was an integral part of the administration that most americans consider it fail the job approval rating is 40% or below for a reason. i need to be disciplined and concentrated we have not seen that yet. >> and bob the trump campaign at one point was had by expanding the map to places like virginia. it seems like that is out of the question the democratic ticket has changed. so how do they reverse that trend? >> jd vanc dancer poorly said ty felt sucker punch when they made the switch i don't think they were sucker punch so much by the switch but how she went from 14-point underwater to now even

that is what is surprise the money coming in is unbelievable and yes it trump was up or at least tied in virginia and states like minnesota and new hampshire were now back to a traditional map and the blue wall precooked trump could switch too. there's been discussion there's buyers remorse on jd vance among some republicans. >> i don't think he will bit of his numbers keep going down in september you never know it. [laughter] thank you panel we will see it next sunday. up next the rest of shannon's conversation with justice neil gorsuch the supreme court about his new book that tracks the ballooning number of laws in the u.s. >> the book does talk about balance of power there are different branches that have different assignments. how does an independent judiciary within complex of tho brancheswi? gar response. uniquely designed with carbsteady.

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's music supreme court justice neil gorsuch is marking seven years on the bench speaking out he believes is an overabundance of laws and regulations and the u.s. but he was a trump appointee was sworn in back in 2017 justice neil gorsuch authored a new book child

overruled the human toll of too much law. shanna spent spent time at the nation's highest court this week to discuss the downside he sees in the volume of laws in this country. >> think if you're making time for us to talk about this new book which having read it will be eye-opening to the american people the idea so much of our conduct is overregulated and by default over criminalize in many cases apparently you and i are committing felonies every day without possibly even knowing it. >> that might be true. some professors say there are now so many laws on the books that every american over the age of 18 commits one felony a day. this is happened in my lifetime. 1978 to present we have seen it may be at doubling the number of federal crimes on the books. this accounts what is in the code that u.s. code passed by congress.

we need those things to keep safe to regulate pollution and drugs and all kinds of things. where did we cross the line from valuable society protecting regulation and laws to something that has blossomed into a situation we cannot know we've e cross the line? >> we need laws to keep us free and safe. on the other hand we have too many laws you impair those same freedoms are aspirations for quality to because who could deal with a drug deal with so much law question rick james of madison said it's a people's money and connections. as a judge now for 18 years case after case in which ordinary americans trying to live their lives, not hurt anybody. raise those families are just getting whacked by laws unexpectedly. >> is not to state laws passed for the regulatory stuff that has given rise to critics will say a fourth branch of government. i want to read a couple things from the book.

many criminal laws are not the direct representatives available to us the handiwork of agency officials you go on to say these days federal agencies don't write in force binding rules often they act as prosecutor and judge two. >> the irs has a hot line if it got question you do not want to become a federal felon you call them. it turns out there giving wrong answers about a third of the time when they were asked how come so many wrong answers they said the irs code has gotten so complex there are so many new laws there's been an explosion and our laws and it is new it is different and it is in her our lifetime. >> you seek to reasons dr strivn us to this big societal trusted individual civic institutions and social norm fades where else is there to look for answers with the law? >> went to alexis de tocqueville

came in the 1830s here ordinary areordinary americans coming together in their communities those bonds are essential for democracy. i have to trust you, you have to trust me. we may disagree that's the whole point of democracy is we vote that is the while of democracy is disagreement. when we lose our trust and one another we lose our trust in our own selves and judgment were to return? we turn to the state. we turn to laws we turn to sometimes people very distant from her own homes. federalism gives away to nationalist it's the nationalism being our laws made in congress is often moved over to agencies with less responsiveness to the american people to corrected book does talk about balance of power there are different branches different assignments.

how does it independent judiciary operate within conflicts between the branches? what's the answer is the constitution if it is in the constitution the other two branches are infringing on it the right to exercise your religion the right to bear arms your right to speak freely. i am a duty bound i took an oath to uphold the constitution and you win even of the government may not like it. when do i stay out? when the constitution does not say anything about the subject rate that is left for we the people to decide in the democratic process and most things in our daily lives is in it? >> you also talk about the issue of individualism which is very american it's very big in this country. how some of that may be sacrificed in giving over to the overt regulation. >> about to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the declaration of independence look at the promises in the declaration and they are so profound. we are all created equal.

we have inalienable rights they do not come from government they belong to each of us. the government derives just powers from the consent of the governed. we are the sovereign in this country. we the people it's a profound promise. we all want those promises to be realize more and more over time. the questions i'm asking through the book really through the stories of the people to whom it is dedicated, how are we doing? that is our report card those three promises in the declaration how are we scoring today? that is what it is about three. >> how do we solve the problems of the book? >> first of all we have to learn how to trust one another. not everything needs to be solved by a distant government. we should remember what tocqueville talked about, working with one another. that means listening as well as speaking. that means learning how to lose as well as win. that's trusting the person with whom you disagree, loves this

country every bit as much as you do. my good friend steve says if it listen to almost anyone talk and something we can agree on. maybe we should start there. >> a fascinating infuriating story that i think of real people we should all know their stories. it should spark a conversation about where we go from here. best wishes with the book and thank you for your time. >> thank you shannon. >> overruled is available tuesday wherever books are sold but that is it for today but thank you for joining us. i am jacqui heinrich shannon bream is back next sunday. have a great week and we will see you next "fox news sunday."