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>> emily: hello, everyone. this is "outnumbered." i'm emily compagno. joining me today, fox business anchor and host of american dream home, cheryl casone. fox business anchor and cohost of "the bottom line" on fox business, dagen mcdowell. post of the "kennedy saves the world" podcast, kennedy. host of "one nation," brian kilmeade. we begin with yet more whiplash coming out of out of vice president, harris' campaign. this time it's about electric vehicles. the harris campaign sent out this "fact-check email" claiming it was a "lie" that kamala harris backs ev mandates. however, here is his own record suggests otherwise. in 2019 she cosponsored a senate bill that would indeed require all new car sales to be evs or zero emission cars by 2040.

that's what a mandate is called. that same year during her failed presidential run, she doubled down on that stance. watch. >> will everyone have to drive electric cars? >> by 2045 will have basically zero emission vehicles only. 100%. >> emily: harris was more ambitious on her 2020 campaign website with platform promising zero emissions by 2030. as vice president, kamala harris has champion of electric vehicle future for america. >> in the year 2021, there can be no doubt the future of transportation in our nation and around the world is electric. the auto industry is clearly moving toward electric. here's the bottom line: we want more families in america to be able to afford an electric car that is made in america.

the future of transportation is electric. >> emily: dagen, the future is electric but maybe not anymore, according to her campaign. >> dagen: this is over verbiage because their freedom fallacy they are peddling doesn't really line up with a ban on the internal combustion engine and a bandanna on gasoline powered vehicles. let's just call it, if -- call it a de facto ban which it is. this is what the biden-harris administrations has done with the tailpipe regulations pushed by fiat, not even by congress, two-thirds of vehicles in eight years must be either fully electric or partially electric. it is an unworkable, unimaginable economic nightmare which they have done.

has the government ever subsidized a product that loses this much money? right now it cost $13 to $16 to drive 100 miles an electric vehicle versus less than $11 for a gasoline powered vehicle. they have turned this world upside down. all of these automobile companies are losing money. it was about 40,000 to $70,000 per electric vehicle. i could go on and on. but when walz says "mind your own damn business," that doesn't really line up with him telling the american people what kind of car they have to drive. >> emily: kennedy, now they are saying it is a lie that she ever had that record when all of us know since day one she has in fact endorsed these mandates. >> kennedy: it's a very easy campaign to run because all you have to do is take every statement she's ever made and

now issue a new proposal that is the opposite. so instead of a fact-check email, they actually have fact invention emails. they are taking every horrible policy proposal or position she's ever taken and they are doing the opposite. they are like oh, that sounds prerational. voters might like that idea now. like, mind your own damn business, i'm sure manufacturers would love to mind their own damn business and provide vehicles customers actually want to buy. they don't want to buy electric cars. we are not there yet. they hate the free market. sometimes the free market, it takes time and it takes word-of-mouth. a lot of people are like, well, i've got an electric vehicle charging station in my house and now my electricity bill is triple. she has forgotten what it's like to live in california with the grade in her home state cannot support a 20% increase in electric vehicles let alone a

75% increase in eight years. their arbitrary deadlines. history will be unkind to her in terms of this and other positions she has taken in the past. >> emily: speaking of history, we have footage in 2021 when vice president harris was attempting to charge electric vehicle. >> that's it. >> there's no sound or fume. >> there is nothing. >> all of us were used to filling our tank when you usually can smell it and you can hear it. you can hear the guzzling sound. none of that. how do i know it's actually working? [laughs] >> it is. >> emily: this introduction to electricity was heard at the time again trying to market her continued support for government mandates, government control and the opposite of a free market. now, oh, no, no, no it's a lie.

>> brian: explained the whole ben franklin was flying the kite and his son was there they discovered electricity and it went through the kite and they all got shocked. it was good to see her wearing a mask outside. we know that panned out great. fantastic to know that the people in charge are leading us in the right direction. cosponsored the zero emissions act in 2020. and then the biden-harris administrations goal of having ev's, zero emission models up to 50% new car sales in 2030. the evidence is overwhelming that she is for this. this is the good news. the reason why she was for dennis because she thought it was popular. she thought this was the responsible thing to do. she thought america was there. the reason why she thought it was a good idea not to build a wall, because she thought trump was crazy and america wouldn't support it. now 53% of the people want the wall built. on everything she has reversed yourself is the stuff we have been talking about on this couch and on "the five" and throughout the network. these ideas put forward, we are not ready for, it's not good for

the country and our security. now they are so unpopular, she goes, i can't possibly be president in 2024 if iran on what joe biden and i thought in 2020 which shows you the country is sobering up. we were drunk for four years were 50% of the country was and now she realizes if i run on what i have the country wanted, i will lose. i am going to do the unfathomable thinker and i'm going to in real time reverse myself and hope no one knew how to work their vcr. [laughter] calling out on it we can't believe it's happening. when she said the thing on tips, we are -- i'm going to get rid of taxes on tips, that was a most astounding thing. i thought to myself, next thing you know she's going to say "build the wall." now here we are, she wants to build the wall. >> emily: here's the thing, she doesn't get to do that. it's a noble thought. at the end of the day.

>> brian: no, it's not. listen. >> emily: i am like no she doesn't get to change her line and tell me i'm a liar because i'm showing she did favor mandates on tvs and everything else that represented the total control of government to the extinguishment of our personal rights and freedoms. she doesn't get to just come around. a lot of people lost their livelihoods and people lost their lives under her policy. >> cheryl: forward, scientist, general motors, they are backing off these ev plants, green jobs that were promised by the biden-harris demonstration are not coming to fruition because the companies are saying, to dagen's point, nobody wants them and they are not going to continue to lose money. they are set to use billions of dollars even with the incentives from the government. let the market play out, as kennedy said but at the same

time how is it going to play out in the rust belt? j.d. vance and walz, those auto jobs especially in detroit have not come back and now they are under threat. do you think they're going to say i am definitely going to vote for kamala harris. i'm about to lose my job or put on hiatus from the plant while they figure out their new production lines or am i going to say donald trump promises me i'm going to havk to gas powered engines. >> emily: and his is the word we can actually depend on. >> dagen: american taxpayers are going to have to bail out these automakers. mark my words. >> emily: coming up, we've got this vice president, harris has finally agreed to an interview. she won't be sitting alone. she'll be sitting next to her running mate.

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♪ ♪ >> emily: vice president, harris has finally agreed to a sitdown interview but she won't be facing the questions alone and it is thought to be a pretaped joint interview with her running mate, minnesota governor tim walz. let's go live to mark meredith in savannah, georgia, with the latest. mark. >> emily, good afternoon from a hot and humid savannah, georgia, or vice president harris is gearing up for what could be the most pivotal interview she's ever faced in her career. this is the one that has become so highly anticipated. it will be taped while she is down here campaigning in south georgia.

the reason it's getting so much attention is because since she became the democratic nominee, she has largely avoided the press or answering direct questions about policies. a former harris advisor is trying to set up the stakes for this interview, actually telling politico "to be honest, big audience for this interview is going to be the inside the beltway crowd but really cares about this so she can substantially draw some distinction with biden on some policy issues." while there is no shortage of media outlets would love to grill the democratic nominee, harris chose cnn who some critics say is also a way to take the easy way out. >> this isn't even a tough interview. this is on cnn, one of their media allies. she should take this opportunity to show the american people that she can handle hard questions. >> today the harris campaign is also pivoting its strategy to attract rural voters in southeast georgia and areas where democrats have long struggled to the campaign says it's willing to invest more

time, money, and resources to try to turn out the vote here in georgia. georgia competitive stagers like it was four years ago. the latest poll showed trump leaving here by about four points, within the margin of error so you can imagine we're going to see both major candidates coming to the peach state quite a bit between now and mid-october when early voting gets underway. >> emily: thank you, mark. critics are calling out vice president harris for not facing the interview so low. here's one example. scott jennings on cnn. >> i think it's incredibly weak, weak sauce, to show up with your running mate, the fact that they don't have enough confidence in her to let her sit herself, the actual top of the ticket, into a single interview. i think the hand-wringing and the generations over this over the last month show of trembling lack of confidence and political ability which makes you wonder what kind of president would you be of this kind of small-time decision, can we do an interview or not, what does that look for your decision-making process? i think republicans are going to

think it's pretty weak to show up with someone to take up half the time. >> emily: kilmeade, i argue it's anti-american. if they need their hand held for an interview, who was going to hold your hand when you're sitting across from putin or xi or union workers or any average american. >> brian: the question is how many interviews has trumped down compared to kamala harris? i think it was over an hour. he did elon musk for over an hour. he is done nonstop, went to hostile territory in chicago with the black journalists. that was at least 25 minutes. why -- j.d. vance, 39 years old, kind of knew, only two years as ohio senator. every single weekend he has been in hostile territory. machine gun like questions. what else has j.d. vance done? after every speech, big or

small, he takes questions from the local journalists. so to me if you want to be president, as bill maher of all people said, if you want to sit across from vladimir putin, you better be able to stand next to any journalist. to have your running mate on with you is really insulting to her. who recommended that? >> emily: she's not just a candidate. she's our current vice president. this is someone who's been leading the country number two for almost four years and she still can't conduct an interview, answer questions, speak with aplomb, speak off-the-cuff? that is who has been occupying the white house? >> cheryl: they have been off the trail for five days now they are starting a bus tour. to wonder if it's because they need to get together and get to know each other better and understand with the policies are. i'm thinking tim walz doesn't have complete awareness of what these policies are so they need to get on the same page. there was a good op-ed that

foxnews.com. he said the campaign, this makes sense. it's familiar cynicism. win by any means, nobody needs to hear about actual policies. cook up some russia collusion or call a laptop fake. all that matters is winning and that's with the campaign is doing. >> emily: will be successful? >> kennedy: it could be. talking about the ev mandates and she has done a 180 on that position. where was she when the epa was coming up with they were mandates? where was she when these bills were being floated in congress? why wasn't she on the presidents shoulder going listen, you are old and senile. this is really stupid and it's going to tank the economy. we didn't hear anything like that from her. i look at this as a woman, it's a competitive industry we are in, you've got to hide behind a man? i'm a little ashamed of that.

it is supposed to be a historic presidency because it's the first female president of the united states? and she can't sit there and do a one-on-one interview? she's got to hide behind a man? i am personally, as a woman, aggrieved. >> emily: she refused to meet with the heads of state abroad with their wives because she said i am an official of the united states government, like i don't meet with spouses. but she can't sit for an interview with out her hand being held by her vice president a candidate? >> dagen: i want to point out she was the "i've got the last vote on the green new boondoggle." she's the one who subsidized the epa's tailpipe emissions mandate. yeah, it's a mandate, to manufacture all those electric cars that she's the one who dug a financial hole we are in. to kennedy's point, if she wants

to be their first woman running the united states of america she needs a man as a crutch, as a truss, neck pillow, seat cushion, that she can't get up there by herself. she needs al qaeda make her seem more likable or she needs that guy to make her seem more likable. that's shameful. i say that as a woman and anybody who tweets at me. oh, well, trump does interviews with mike pence and j.d. vance. she has done nothing. she has said nothing since she was anointed the democrat nominee. that is beside the point. and you crying sexism by me saying this makes her look weaker. so go ahead. she has time to still tell dana

bash, i'm only doing one-on-one. >> emily: coming up, former president trump is under indictment again 68 days out from the election. live report on that next.

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indictment back in early august of 2023 last year. it's also notable it's a completely different grand jury and they decided to go forward with this. there's saul comes after the supreme court -- this all comes after the supreme court ruled on presidential immunity. the supreme court said any president acting in his official or her official capacity should be immune while acting in official duties. four charges that remain the same, conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of, attempt to obstruct official proceeding and obstruction. the new indictment focuses more on donald trump and his unofficial role as a candidate, less as a president. think of tweets, speeches, he reacted yesterday and part of it says "in an effort to resurrect

a dead witch hunt in washington, d.c., the illegally appointed special counsel deranged jack smith has brought a ridiculous new indictment against me which has all the problems of the old indictment and should be dismissed immediately." both sides will be before the district judge next week, week from tomorrow. we are told donald trump will not attend. they are going to figure how to go forward. sources connected to to both sides say it's highly unlikely, and you are a lawyer, that this would even consider going to trial before the election which is about two months away. >> emily: closer than we think. david spunt, thank you so much. kennedy, it's nine pages or less, the same charges, they have removed specific allegations. at the end of the day are they trying to do the same with much less and curious timing? >> kennedy: yes they are but they are not french shifts. french cooking takes more

ingredients and less technique. i know that you love ""the devil wears prada"" is much as i do. when she says this face, she doesn't like the final draft. miranda priestly is the supreme court. he's been working feverishly to try to cobble something together before fashion week which is the election. will he be able to do it? i don't think so. >> emily: cheryl, at the end of the day, this is a former president, a candidate and this is ten weeks before the election, some arguing it's one more in the quiver resonating poorly. >> cheryl: i can't believe i have to follow kennedy on this but if you look at another trump truth social post, he said 60 days out, are you kidding me? this is doj policy being violated. the other point. he said you've got less evidence

but you're going to go back and retry the same case with less evidence and then he said it reminds me of my favorite italian beef stand in chicago. asked if there was a locale option. the owner cuts it in half and charges the same amount. >> emily: vessel air left wi with. it's exhausting and unpalatable and seems like there's no end to it. >> dagen: president trump has been, i'm not trying to sound insensitive, but has benefited from this persecution, this legal warfare, certainly politically. if you -- if he wants to take advantage of this, he should link this directly to kamala harris and make her respond. get her on the record somehow. she will have to affirm that she agrees with the prosecution. the first speech she gave after she ascended, was anointed the

democratic nomination, she talked about her record as a prosecutor. she was the attorney general. she went after bad guys. she will have to affirm what jack smith is doing which is a horrible look for her and it will be a huge positive for president trump if he can manage that. >> brian: to pick up "the devil wears prada," good book, not a great movie. pretty woman. i got the chance to talk to jim trusty. he looked at it closely and said what you have to do is prove his actions had nothing to do with his job. that's the immunity thing. howdy separated question work you've got to make sure his interactions had nothing to do with government business. they say his interactions with mike pence prove his guilt. mike pence was vice president but they list him as president of the senate. really? i don't think donald trump knew he could break ties as president

of the senate. mark meadows is also functioning as chief of staff. tell me how that doesn't go into the heading of immunity. that's the ground he's on. he says it is shaky legal ground. >> emily: i appreciate that because that's the fallacy that you can somehow cull out candidate from president. to that point, that's an excellent nuance. >> brian: i can't take credit. i have to give it to the legal expert. >> dagen: andy mccarthy wrote a piece saying the supreme court and its immunity decision did leave the door open for jack smith to pursue using mike pence and his legislative role. you read the supreme court decision. mike pence in the legislative role in the senate, that's how. >> emily: coming up, the

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>> dagen: mississippi is hundreds of miles from our southern border but they whopping amount of money the state is being forced to spend on the illegal migrant crisis is shocking. a new state report revealing mississippi is spending well over $100 million on illegal immigrants every year. 25 million to educate illegal immigrants in public schools, $77 million to provide health care to illegal migrants and their children. $1.7 million on incarceration.

the massive figure is leading the state's governor to blame the white house saying "states are being forced to step up and pay for the biden-harris administration's intentional failure to secure our border." mississippi is no exception. their dangerous immigration policies are endangering americans and putting in norma's financial strain on states all across our country. brian, mississippi is one state and this is every single corner of this nation. feeling the pain and societal hardship that's intentionally inflicted by harris and biden. >> brian: by the way, i think the trump campaign -- they should be in chicago, philadelphia, new york, san francisco, los angeles, especially denver. it's the worst. they said we are a sanctuary city. they said we have to provide a place to live. have to provide food.

now in california, they are going to provide $150,000 for a starter home. it is stunning to see a status challenged as mississippi, is financially distressed as mississippi have to do this for illegal immigrants in a very red state. in their cities, they are blue but the state is really red. i would be outraged if i was them. think about the need education wise, they are always in the bottom third of the country and how much more their citizens could benefit. >> dagen: the incalculable hardship on schoolchildren where you have children, this is the supreme court decision, kennedy, they have to educate the kids. wouldn't want them to be uneducated. but the burden that children experience because they are in school with kids who might not speak english. >> kennedy: it's really difficult and takes resources away. there aren't enough esl teachers working in schools.

my daughter goes to school here and they've had an impossible time finding a spanish teacher. imagine a place like mississippi. a lot of classrooms have to be taught in two languages. there's also overcrowding which was already tough to begin with. to brian's point, what they -- they were delivering. unfortunately what they are delivering is poverty. highest citizens in poverty. they don't have the tax base. california has been proud of the fact that it's a sanctuary state because they tax billionaires out of existence. that's why elon musk is going to texas and nevada and other places like that. people who live there, if you work hard, pay your taxes, you can afford this. then the resources that you once had, they have completely dwindled and they can even cover the citizens who are in desperate need. >> dagen: you have a state like california who was create a

more and more incentives for illegals to come here. they now cover under state medicaid every single illegal. it's billions of dollars every year. they launched, passed in the state senate, $150,000 loan program. no money, no interest. no citizenship. >> emily: meanwhile, as we have learned, $20, if your wages are $20, you can afford a two-bedroom apartment in only six states. the reality, as those on the left and the liberals say anyone coming against this, you are just racist. oversimplifying and putting into a box. resources, there's a finite amount and they have been devastated already. we have almost a million people who are homeless, many have jobs. americans are struggling under this administration. and yet budgets for emergency services were eradicated, hit one month into the annual year because they've been dealing with the illegal immigrant

crisis. how many attorneys general sued the federal government on behalf of these minors being put into horrible conditions, the list goes on. when they reduce it to the color of skin, they reduce it to a party, it flies in the face of all those hardworking americans that still aren't making enough or getting enough or earning enough to survive. >> cheryl: look at what's happening in massachusetts. massachusetts g.o.p. demanding an accounting of the $1 billion the state has spent on these migrants. it's a right to shelter state. education, health care, housing. they are calling it a veil of secrecy because the democrats that run state and run the senate have been spending all this money and there's no -- give me the ledger. show me where the money is going. and the fiscal situation we are dealing with here in new york city. we still have over 60,000 migrants that we are housing as new york city taxpayers right now. we've had over 200,000 come into the city of new york.

this is a very expensive place to live. new yorkers are struggling. the fact that the taxes that you're paying is going to hotel rooms. and the crime, yeah. >> dagen: financial security and homeownership, the keys to the american dream. the majority of americans think is simply out of reach. that story next. ♪ ♪

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(♪♪) >> kamala harris on her way to georgia for a campaign event as a new survey shows donald trump up by four points there. who will win the peach state? the panel weighs in. harris' record on immigration. after the murder of georgia student lincoln riley. what is special counsel jack smith up to and does have a chance of selling his holy written indictment? is being a parent hazardous to your health? the surgeon general says yes. dr. marc siegel explains. i'm john roberts. join sandra and me top of the hour for america reports. see you then. don't stress out.

♪ ♪ >> cheryl: a troubling number of americans believe they can't make the american dream a reality according to a new "wall street journal" poll. 49% of americans say the ability to work hard, get i had was once a reality but it's not anymore. americans agree homeownership, financial security and a comfortable retirement are essential for the american dream a 10% or less believe any of the three are remotely easy to achieve. dagen, we talk about this on fox business, the decline of private-sector pensions. there is no housing supply. interest rates about 7%. these things are frankly depressing especially for the generation trying to get a leg up and get that first home. >> dagen: it's not the fault of the individual. it's the people in charge of government. kamala harris is responsible. two votes, the american

rescue plan and the inflation reduction act is responsible for half of the excess inflation people have experienced in the last three and a half years. you know what? move. seriously. i just bought a house in ohio because i cannot afford shinola anywhere on the east coast. these are achievable dreams but you have to go find places that are reasonably priced whether it's a home. whether it's living expenses. i mean that. i'm not quitting because my retirement house. >> cheryl: that's why people are looking at different parts of the country they never thought they would live in. >> brian: do you have a dream home, dagen? >> dagen: i just bought mine. >> cheryl: one of the things i thought was interesting, brian,

mit did this research and they looked at history, 90% of children born in 1940 were ultimately better off than their parents. 90%. kids born in the '80s, only about half. i'm going to be better off or are better off than their parents. that's a big decline. >> brian: i am all for stats and i think they are correct and it does make sense but personally you've got to overcome it. on a worse day we are better than any country. on our best day, the economics everywhere. china has got the numbers but go ahead, you live there. if you want the cheaper place to live. most expensive, hawaii. sell that bungalow you have, kennedy. california second, third is massachusetts, fourth is washington, fifth is new jersey. new york is the ninth most expensive place for your dream home. go for low taxes. seems like go south. >> cheryl: "the wall street journal" did a good deep dive and talked to people in many parts of the country in one of the things i found it was so disconcerting

was this couple in northern new york state, they bought their dream home and the cost of utilities started to jump. food prices started to jump. all of a sudden they can't afford their dream home that they did initially get into. we took what they said we have the american dream and now it's the american nightmare because he feels like the country made a promise and they took it away. >> kennedy: anywhere you've got government involvement whether it's in housing or education, there's always going to be problems and expense to follow. so brian is right. you have to go to parts of the country where they are less intrusive, there is no state income tax. places like florida and tennessee. they are happy to have you there are all sorts of great communities with people who actually check on you and you don't feel well and that's the one thing the pandemic taught us. a lot of these jobs that we thought were tied to a geographical location or

actually, unlike inflation, transitory meaning you can move your job or you could move with the economy and hopefully find yourself a new dream management part of the country. milwaukee, the rnc, great city that may be a lot of people haven't been to. wonderful welcoming people and really cool places to live. >> brian: running water? overrated. >> emily: i was struck by the generational statistics because i think about when my grandparents immigrated here in the natural progression were people immigrate because their home countries are starving or under government ruin or whatever it is and they come here seeking a better life and that was what was happening. people had opportunities. contrary to the way it's depicted by the left, there were equal opportunities for everyone and hard work indeed yielded being able to go to school and getting the education and getting a home and the like and now it's reversed. now they opportunities are simply not there and recall back of the rnc when that young woman talked about having two jobs,

single mother having to have two jobs even make ends barely meet. contrast that with the dnc when we were told, harris is the one that's going to enable buying homes to be back within reach. no, kamala harris is the one that made that dream elusive. keep your eye on the price. it will all be remedied if we change government hands. >> brian: grew up in oakland, she must not. >> emily: grew up in canada. >> cheryl: more "outnumbered" in a moment. ♪ (restaurant noise) allison! (restaurant noise) ♪ [announcer] introducing allison's plaque psoriasis. she thinks her flaky, gray patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill

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going to end up hours ago. in fact, by 8:36 a.m. p or now the top reason for someone's day being ruined so early the morning according to this are feeling sick, getting a bad night sleep, leaving her phone at home, can't find your keys, all of this allegedly, kill need, by 8:30 six in the morning. >> a bit of an anomaly, by 8:36, i'm halfway through my day. losing keys, not a big deal. water heater busted, dog throws up all over the place, you can't lock your door to leave the house, the middle the night, but i just think people do look for signals to find out, rather than take control of their life, look for things to happen. >> that's the thing. misplacing your phone, is that a bad day? it's just an inconvenience for a second. >> stop feeling sorry for yourself, you damn babies. >> have a sleep schedule like a morning person. wake up feeling the exact same every single day.

bed at 11:00, wake up at 7:00, good to go. >> you are seeing a naked guy at 7:00 in the morning, brandishing a machete -- >> you don't know. >> you've got to get over it. >> if he is just naked it's okay. it's what he's doing naked. like this morning. bad day, hit my head on an open cabinet because you turn around, and then i lock myself out of my apartment barefooted. because i was going to a trash suit. >> dang. those are good ones. those are good ones. >> 8:36 in the morning and picking about lunch, like brian is, probably, but of the same time -- by the way, go to bed at 7:00, that's the best. no day for me as a bad day. i wake up, i'm alive, i'm breathing, i got my health, i'm working with all of you lovely spirits people on that note, we have you watching us today, that's a perfect and a good day. "america reports" now. >> the excitement has been incredible. every day that kamala harris