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>> hello, this is "outnumbered." i'm emily compagno. joining me today, fox news correspondent molly line, fox news contributor and host of "tomi lahren is fearless," tomi lahren, laura marshall, and paul moral. it took kamala harris nearly six weeks to sit down for an interview. she is flip-flopped on major issues. on the short amount of time she gave to the american people last night, harris was asked about these policy pivots but did not ask when the changes came from. let's start with fracking, something or vice president once vowed to ban. >> in 2019 you said "there is no favor i am in favor of banning fracking." as you know it's a pretty big issue. do you still want to ban fracking?

>> no, and i made it clear on the debate stage in 2020 that i would not ban fracking. as vice president, i did not ban fracking. as president, i will not ban fracking. >> in 2019, i believe in a town hall, you were asked if he would commit to implementing a federal ban on fracking on your first day in office and you said "no danger i am in favor of banning fracking." so it changed in that campaign? >> in 2020 i made clear where i stand. we are in 2024 and i have not changed that position nor will i going forward. >> and with illegal immigration, she walked back being in favor of decriminalizing illegal border crossings. >> one other question about something that you said in 2019 when you first ran. there was a debate. raise your hand when asked whether or not the border should be decriminalized. do you still believe that? >> i believe there should be consequence. we have laws that have to be followed and enforced that

address and deal with people who cross our border illegally, and there should be consequence. >> but when asked how bit. >> i think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed. you mentioned the green green new deal. i have always believed -- and i have worked on it -- but the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around time. we did that with the inflation reduction act. we have set goals for the united states of america and by extension the globe around when we should meet certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. that value has not changed. my value around what we need to do to secure our border has not

changed. >> paul moreau, i think there is a word president biden uses. it's malarkey. [laughter] that's what that was. >> can you imagine -- i mean god bless her husband trying to get a straight "why are you mad at me?" [laughter] first of all, the dog whistle thing i think is very perc perceptive. i was in chicago for the dnc. there is an element of the democratic base that expects her to be there person in the white house. a further signal to that. now that she has gone to the middle, there is an app running in the background of this election and this campaign, which is who is she? is she going to play to that base who expects it, or is she going to attack the middle and stay there subsequent to november where sheet -- could win? the other thing real quick is that she said "we did this and that." she only -- the administration. i didn't see anything for those three and half-4 years. the two things that she was

given, ostentatiously, border root causes and the voter suppression thing. she did nothing on either end then had her proxies complain that she was given the tough jobs. you are the vice president. you ostensibly want to ascend to the presidency at some point. you are complaining about the tough gigs? now you want all the tough gigs? and then she brings walz with her? and on the left is saying she did a great job. she did not fall on her face. at least she retired the left, but otherwise i don't think there was a lot of substance here. >> tomi, "the wall street journal" editorial board said, to paul's point about the interview, kamala harris' campaign handlers were no doubt giving each other high fives on thursday night, watching their candidates interview on cnn, but that's a shame because the voters still have not received a straight answer about whether and how she has changed her views from the far left positions she espoused in 2019 as a presidential candidate.

"my values have not changed" she said more than once in a practiced answer that can be read anyway you want. "we take it as a studied wink to her left flank that she is on their side but can't say so clearly until she is elected." exactly what paul said. >> he does exist in the abstract on a lot of things and she does that so she doesn't have to take a solid position at least now. in 2019 and 2020 she took solid positions, gave her credit when she did, because the voters knew where she stood. that's why she didn't make it through the democratic primary. now it is a wink and not to the far left. that's what we are seeing in "the wall street journal," correct to point that out. the thing that bothers me most especially when it comes to things like fracking -- and i appreciate that the question was brought up. what i would have liked to see a follow-up be is if you stood on a stage talking about private change and told us fracking and fossil fuels were going to le

lead -- was going to save the world if not we are in dire trouble. if that was the case, as we sit in 2024, you have to explain to us why fracking is no longer going to cause a climate apocalypse. otherwise you are were lying then or we will not to send. you need to get straight answers on why we change. didn't see any of that last name. saying your values haven't changed tells us nothing. >> and summon her party are saying "maybe this was not necessarily a bad day -- they say it was good. it maybe won't move the needle, but to the points, this underscored how many millions of americans are demanding answers. at the end of the day, will this hurt her? >> if we say it doesn't move the needle, the first poll that came out says it has by 1%, and speaking of percentages, the voters who support her, and not just in my party but somebody who is looking for a candidate even if they don't have or want a party. she is in every swing state.

she is up nationally across the board. i have less concern about her becoming president than i do my party perhaps losing the house and senate. people love her, there are democrats that see this interview differently than republicans, but either way, those are not the people that are needing to be addressed. it's those handful of voters in a handful of states especially the blue states who are undecided. if their issue is fracking, it would be important to them. i want to have a poll because i know it will be right on disk. i think sadly, the perception is by voters that politicians do flip-flop democrats move to the center, republicans moved to the center. it is more winnable. when summary says that their values haven't changed and people say it means policy, let me give you an example. joe biden is a staunch catholic. i would imagine on a personal level, very pro-life. as a politician, that's not how

he governs. you can have a value and your job and policy be different without giving that up on a personal level. >> the difference between what you said and she said is that you make total sense. [laughter] and kamala hasn't. >> i'm not running. [laughter] >> and that is the point, she hasn't given any indication or explanation for evolution, and certainly the volume is -- i mean that is just a massive amount of whiplash. i want to talk about the volunteer coach by her side that occupied about a quarter of the time and contents. what was your analysis? >> she got all of this critiquing running up to this that she was bringing him along to protect her as the teddy bear, the guy that would save her, and i don't think he helped at all and potentially created the biggest challenges for the campaign going forward, and that his answers were evasive. the most protectable questions he could have thought he might have gotten. very predictable going to his integrity, accusations of stolen

valor specifically. it was about one thing he said on a much broader controversy that he has failed to correct regarding deployment and was also handed the answer appeared she was like "did you misspeak" gimmick he could've said "i misspoke. i care about the issue of gun safety and our kids." instead he goes into a long answer. it's still out there along with some of the other issues, that his forthrightness has been questioned. >> he blamed grammar which i think a lot of folks are still trying to figure out. what bothers me, a quick point at 70 from the midwest, as i felt like he tried to play off his nonanswers is he is just a plain speaking guy from the midwest. at somebody from the midwest, that bothers me. people from the midwest can give you definitive decisive answers. we can take actual accountability. don't play it off like you're somebody from the midwest who is happy and jolly. to me, that is insulting as a midwesterner and i don't think it's going to pass with a lot of other midwesterners who are not happy with that. >> maybe i was watching a

different interview. i saw him say "i misspoke," and he said he didn't have it. >> due to grammar. due to grammar. he said "my wife says i'm not good at grammar." >> he talked about his service, yet he would not call them when minneapolis was burning down. he would not call your own unit? i can't understand that. it's like me not calling the nypd. >> at the end of the day, i think we have more questions than answers after last night which seems to not be the intention. americans are struggling with soaring costs. instead of doing something about it, kamala harris is praising the biden white house, biden/harris white house, and suggesting that trump of course is to blame. that's next. we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs. good, real food is simple.

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>> over the past four years, kamala and crooked joe biden have presided over an economic reign of terror committing one financial atrocity after ano another. as vice president, kamala cast deciding vote that caused the worst inflation in american history. you are all victims of it. we all are. everyone is a victim of it. a nation buster. >> that was former president trump hammering vice president, harris over the biden/harris administration's track record on the economy, but harris was quick to defend bidenomics, her first sitdown interview as nominee. instead blaming trump for the country's high costs. >> you are aware that right now, many americans are struggling. there is a crisis of affordability. one of your campaign themes is "we are not going back."

i wonder what you say to voters who do want to go back when it comes to the economy specifically. groceries are less expensive, housing was more affordable when donald trump was present. >> let's start with the fact that when joe biden and i came in office, during the height of the pandemic, we saw over 10 million jobs lost. people -- literally we were all tracking the numbers. hundreds of people a day were dying because of covid. the economy crashed. in large part all that because of mismanagement by donald trump. >> you been vice president for three and half years. the steps were talking about now, why haven't you done them already. >> first of all, we had to recover as an economy. we have done that and i'm proud of the work that we have done. >> she also goes on to brag about inflation, less than 3% is what she called it. it was lower when it took office

than it is now. i want to give your thoughts on how she handled very predictable questions about the economy. >> she looked uncomfortable, and it had to be the most of his question that she knew was coming at her. she has to own it all if she's going to talk about the fact that we did this and we did t that. i didn't see her own or do anything in three and a half-4 years. if you were going to own it all have to own the bad stuff with it which means the afghan pull out, the border, welfare against donald trump. if you were going to own the good stuff, you have to own the bad stuff as well. that's where she should have been pressed. everybody knows a good interview is not about the first question: it's about the follow-up question. the first when you're just going to get the wrote response. this was not a softball. this was a wiffle ball. >> she listed the things she has put up a four: the $5,000 for new home buyers, the child tax

credit. the follow-up questions, what you're talking about. >> her team came out and said she offered a new way forward. what exactly was that? when she talked abut an opportunity economy? do you mean capitalism? you have not advocated for so long. i felt like what we are talking about a moment ago, she has no command over experience. for a vice president who has spent many years in service, like she likes to remind us, she has zero drum on expense whatsoever to reassure me that she, on a daily basis, is in total command of information and experience. you contrast that with j.d. vance who is an incredible encyclopedic speaker about statistics and experiences and legislature. where is that from our vice president? this is supposed to be a candidate for president, the best of the best, yet she strikes me as not only not even a figurehead but not capable of holding outs of the position she has, and so your point, to me she read is unprepared. she says the same over rehearsed

winds that she utters out, but there was no preparation. all of her sentences seemed like she had hubris and it and it was an affront to even be asked that. i was underwhelmed. >> there was a lot of build up to this, how she would embrace bidenomics, how much of the last three years which she own. your thoughts? >> it's not her administration, it is joe biden's. last time we checked i think we all went to the same history class and read the same constitution picked is only took a job as a vice president has specifically. one is to be in charge of the senate and be the tiebreaker, which she and those who have been on the right have done as well. second is you are sitting and waiting in case the present -- >> so you are making that she's not responsive before? >> she's not. >> in any way at all? that how can she take credit for the success? >> she is part of the biden administration. it's unprecedented what has happened not just in this party but in the selection. joe biden was on the ticket and now she's on the ticket. the people that were upset with joe biden, and we were seeing it, it was especially post that

debate: age. we have seen the enthusiasm. na -- nearly 80% enthusiasm in my party. we haven't seen numbers like that since barack obama. here's what we have. it's bidenomics and my party should talk about it, and she is vice president of that administration. she is continuing in that vein economically. you have gdp growth up, under trump 2.6%, under biden 3.5%, inflation just over 3% -- 6% when trump first took office in his first 42 days. we have record stock market highs. the feds are going to lower the rate. the list goes on. she is going to continue on with bidenomics. that's why she hails his administration which she is vice president of, that she will continue to do if she were present. >> what do you make of the argument that it's just not her fault? speak i hope she uses the term bidenomics and i hope she runs with it, because americans don't

like bidenomics. there is a reason biden stop using bidenomics and his aides stopped using bidenomics. it wasn't working. he was not feeling the plight and hardship of the american people, simply telling everybody things are okay when they are not feeling that they are okay, was not working. it's not going to work for kamala either. what strikes me when she is asked about the economy, i think of joe biden. joe biden could have answered that question. maybe not today because of other issues, but at one point, joe biden could have answered that question. i might not have liked it, but he could have given you an answer. we didn't get much of an answer from kamala. what also bothers me is in terms of the economy, her first instinct when she had to put a policy forward was essentially for price-fixing, which was a horrible idea by everyone's account, even yours, leslie. we talked about it on this very network. >> that is something we didn't get clarity on either. >> she said she wants to stop price gouging but then it's price-fixing. how are you going to do that?

i wish there would have been more follow-up. how are you going to create your opportunity economy? >> one is the first press conference? we are excited. coming up, the mayor and councilwoman of this denver suburb in aurora says venezuelan gains have taken over multiple apartment buildings, but colorado's democratic governor says otherwise. coming up.

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>> terrifying new details emerging around this video of what appears to be armed venezuelan gang members storming the partly complex -- an apartment complex in aurora, colorado. they claimed several buildings have been overtaken by gang members. colorado's democratic governor is dismissing the rage and fear. let's go live, the latest on this developing story. >> people talk about migrant crime. this is what they are talking

about. for some context, part of this begin, wendy biden/harris administration began releasing cuban, haitian, nicaraguan, and venezuelans after immigrants arriving from those countries went from 17,000 in 2020 to 600000 in 2022, overwhelming the order and ice facilities because we could not send them back. you are seeing the result. biden and harris created a program to bring them in under humanitarian parole. they stop that in july because migrants were lying on applications, u.s. sponsors were using fraudulent identities, including dead people to sponsor them. traffickers and gangs were using great payment. for getting this people in. >> venezuelan gang members who have gone an apartment complex -- pushed out the

property management. and now, they are intimidating the tenants to pay them the rent and probably extort other th things -- >> they beat up the staff, they hold guns to their heads. the staff flees. >> the colorado governor says they are wrong, and it's part of the misinformation campaign. here is his statement. "over the last month, the governor has been in regular contact with the city of aurora and police, offered state assistance to support their efforts if requested. he hopes the city council stopped trashing their own city when they are supposed to keep it safe." we know violent crime in aurora went down between 2022 and '23 and expect that data will show further declines in '24. the recent misinformation campaign threatens actual and criminal investigations and couldn't hurt --

could hurt small businesses in aurora. they say they are wrong, are investigating people for these crimes. what you see here, gangs are collecting debts for migrants that they sponsored. >> frightening, thank you. paul, break it down. how did this happen? what are we looking at? >> they restarted the program that william just said they suspended. we are getting 30,000 new arrivals every month for most four nations. let's look at cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, haiti. cuba does not talk to us so nobody's vetted because we can't find anything out. venezuela, same thing. haiti, run by criminal gangs. nicaragua, run by a socialist dictator who hates the country. you're telling me the 30,000 that arrived are vetted? that's the claim now. we restarted this after saying

"it does not work, it's full of fraud." now we are supposed to believe that it works. classic gang tactic, take over some terrain, control it. it's great because you have people working for you. you can call it when the cops come. all the stuff that these guys do. you have an international problem here, not a national problem. it's a national security problem. we need task forces like we had j.t. tfs after 9/11, locals and feds put together and get rid of these guys, otherwise they are going to be entrenched like the mafia and we will get rid of them for decades. >> talk to me about this condescension coming from the governor who dares to say "no, don't believe your eyes, don't believe this video with these huge guns. the statistics say everything is fine." talk to me about the gasli gaslighting. >> it's coming from the governor's office. they talk about the crime statistics as if this is supposed to make the people in this building feel better. according to police

intelligence, the purported invasion is largely a feature of their imagination. the city council goes after the people that are trying to help. what is mind-blowing is then, the other officials have to get involved and say "they are crazy, it is in their imagination. the mayor --" they say the situation is real. the district attorney says that it's not imaginary. they have to push back on what people can see with their own eyes. >> that is condescending. i'm from south dakota, unable to colorado. i have family members that live in the denver area. they are terrified, horrified at what their state has become. you know who is most horrified is young women. young women are horrified. can you imagine being a young woman or a single mother who lived in that apartment complex? a lot of people live in that apartment comports because guess what? they can't afford homes, can't afford to live anywhere else this will be a growing problem.

we have millions of migrants in this country. they are being put up in shelters, hotels in new york, but at some point that will run out and you will have millions of people that need somewhere to go. you have millions of young migrants who need somewhere to belong. to your point, i'm fearful that some of them are going to fall into gang activity through desperation, through a belonging, whatever you want to call it. this is just beginning. it's about to get so much worse. winter is coming so people will get even more desperate, especially in cities like new york city. >> winter is coming literally and figuratively. my question is why err on the side of saying "this is just an outlier situation." at least believing the d.a. -- escalate or focus which for resources so that people can remain behind bars, allow everyone else to actually thrive. why would you err on the side of risking safety for a talking

point? >> even though i am a liberal democrat and always agree with my party, people in my party, i'm conservative about crime and i would agree that you need to take these guys out. this is definitely the way a shakedown happens whether it's a gang, back in the day mafia. statistically, he may be accurate, but when you look at what people are feeling, there are feelings, and their effects with the economy, but the facts are people not just living in that building, but in that section of aurora. as the governor who is responsible for his people, he needs to address that just as the mayor obviously is. >> i wish he had addressed it with more deference to those people to the boots on the ground. >> and they say that the border encounters are down, it's because they're flying them in. >> it looks like the joy at kamala's campaign headquarters may have run out. a new report on the power

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>> new development's and former president selection interference case, days after special counsel jack smith revised the language of his charges against trump. attorneys for both sides are set to lay out how and when they expect the case go to trial. david spunt is live in washington. >> this was supposed to go to trial in march which got delayed because of the supreme court. we are expecting a road map in the united states case against the former president at some point today before close of business. it was supposed to go to trial in march but the supreme court ruling on immunity really slowed things down. special counsel that counsel jack smith and donald trump's

attorneys are expected to submit a status report to this judge by the end of the day. they will show how both sides want to move forward. will smith tried to take this to trial before the november 4th election. people connected to both sides admit that the window is on was closed. on july 1st, the majority of the supreme court ruled in terms favor, making more difficult for special counsel smith to bring certain aspects of his original case. the justices ruled that presidents have brought immunity for official duties. the charges donald trump is facing: conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy to obstruct official proceeding, and all obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiracy. earlier this week, trump received that indictment you mention, indicted again on the same charges, but the new indictment focuses more on trump in his unofficial role as a candidate. think of his tweets and speeches while he was a candidate. ultimately, this judge will make a decision about a trial date and how this moves forward. should hear from both sides next

thursday in person and then we will for certain have a road map to see how this will go forward. >> another court date next week and getting to another court date down the road. thank you so much. i know it's hard to juggle all of this. over to this now. it appears there is a power struggle growing within vice president kamala harris' campaign. a new report from axios claims harris' spri frankenstein team consists of -- but nobody's quite sure what exactly is in charge. "the entanglement of these entities has led to many people feeling a lack of role clarity," one person involved in the campaign told axios. another person said there isn't "as much tension as the very top -- post books were the question is more who is first among equals with the vice president. the confusion about who was in charge is happening more often two or three rungs down, the source said. it's been an unusual way to get

this campaign as far as it had. things change suddenly. i don't find that surprising that there would be some mixed signals in the campaign. >> and you are right. that's a generous interpretation that they are getting on board with what was supposed to be a surprise. however, think about a wedding pick the point is you take your cue from the right. to me, the key was emanated from them, not one of leadership, clarity, organization. we have seen that throughout her tenure as vice president, one over 30 staffers anonymously went on the record -- off the record but reported to cnn saying how terrible her leadership was, how toxic the environment was, how she berates her staff members, and how many f let her watch. i think what we are seeing is the natural evolution of what we have seen following her like a pig pen this entire time of toxicity and disorganization. >> a challenge trying to cool these different entities that serve in different administrations and give everybody a seat at the table? >> i think so. anyone who has worked in a bureaucracy has seen this.

when somebody gets on an eclectic promotion and all of a sudden it's the person who will be running things, everybody who previously lined up behind every body else has to shift. in this case it didn't happen organically. nobody is sure who is pulling the strings. you have obama all over this, biden, et cetera. nobody has lined up the way they normally would be when it goes through the normal process. there is a lot of confusion. how do you cure that? you need a strong hand. the campaign is relatively new, but she will have to get her arms around as quickly. >> got to hold it together for what, 60-plus days? >> less than 70 days. this is what happens when you have a new company, a new leader, a new ticket. that is the case here. i am not very surprised. i am actually excited that this is being reported about and we are talking about it. we can talk about mcdonald's and baseball.

these are the things people are worried about with the numbers every single day. in 2016, i said that i'm worried when i see those -- i think donald trump could be elected. a lot of people in my party thought i was cray cray. i'm excited for it -- >> there were rumors about her staff before this happened and now there are rooms within the campaign and theoretically if she wins the presidency, how will she handle leadership with all these different thoughts and ideas? >> that is the concern more so is not just getting through until election day. that's what this campaign feels like to me, that we are trying to hold over them together and keep on the sugar high for as long as possible to get to early voting and election day, but then if she does would make the election and becomes president, you can't just get through four years. i feel like she has been getting through three and a half years as vice president doing not a whole lot. doing ribbon-cutting ceremonies,

going to yarn shops, and it's like "let's have the people vote and we will figure it out." i'm not so sure that he gives a lot of comfort to voters. >> inching closer to november. a new survey claims that half of americans under 35 would rather quit their job and work with people who have different political views. that is next. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max!

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>> final we can before the sprints to november. more answers after adult illegal immigrants try to force their way onto school buses. this congressman's district, and he joins us. we will talk to a resident of that apartment building. armed gang members -- and more accusations that the secret service and fbi are stonewalling on the congressional investigations into the trump assassination attempt. nicole parker is here. join us top of the hour for "america reports." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> americans have sadly cut ties with partners, friends, family

members over political disagreements. it seems that they are willing to leave behind a paycheck too. employees would prefer to work for a company with a seal that shares their political beliefs. a whopping 40% of employees under 35 said it they would quit altogether over political differences in the officer with their boss. >> i think there is more to this. i don't think this is just about working with different viewpoints. i am a millennial and i love working with leslie. i love talking to folks more on the liberal side. i think this has more to do, is the retribution if your boss has a different political belief then you are? do you feel uncomfortable if your boss is a liberal and you are a conservative? i would hope that's not the case, but in terms of cultivating a work environment where you have the best ideas, i think working with people who disagree with he was the best way to cultivate that.

i would hope that for young people, and i would hope that young people and millennials and gen z, i would hope they would invite that into their lives and invite the disagreements, the dialogue, the rhetoric around political and religious issues. i think that makes us better. >> you run the gauntlet every time you are with us. [laughter] >> my 17-year-old does not want to work because he just wants to be independently wealthy and -- marry a rich girl. i take this differently. i think it is sad. it's not the disagreement. i agree with you. i love helping to see my family for a few years over thanksgiving. what i don't like and what i think americans don't like and what i think the younger generation is looking to the older generation for is how come the vitriol? how come it's not just "we disagree?" it's "i'm right, you are wrong, i hate you because we disagree?" that's what it's become. if you read my ex pages, and all

that. sorry, i am a parent. i will blame myself and others. we are setting the example for kids watching us, generations under us coming up. we as a society, as parents, as leaders, we need to change it. you can still have your opinion and disagree, but we don't need to hate each other because we disagree. >> molly, some argue that -- is it a softness? 's it's an inability to be next to someone, a lecturer to say "i don't like your viewpoint? an inability to even entertain it because they have been coddled in these petri dishes that they have been raised? >> i think those were both great points. i was also told by a wise relative but you just don't talk politics at work. it's funny to think of today's workplaces as having deep political discussions when your job has nothing to do with politics. of course we can't take that advice. [laughter] but i love hearing the different opinions. it's all i want to do is talk and get these different opinions and talk to these real people.

i think some of the solution could be that you don't deeply delve into your coworker's personal life or their politics or work. do your job. >> yeah. >> i will play the cranky old guy. go ahead, quit. see what happens. see how it works out for you. i don't like my bosses political views so i'm going to quit and then realize "wait, that means the check does not come." you go to work to survive, for benefits, to get some satisfaction, et cetera. get about the sort of a debate. if it is something else, that's a different story but you can take anything to the extreme. if you go to work and it fulfills 34 major boxes that you need to fulfill including keeping you or your family aboveground -- i'm sorry, but we shouldn't even be talking about it. >> think the only reason i would quit for a bosses viewpoint as if they were a 49ers fan. just kidding. [laughter] more "outnumbered" in just a

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♪ ♪ >> last but not least, the true crime podcast featuring our own emily compagno is wrapping up an exciting month connected to crimes on campus. here's a quick look. >> this august relive the stories of college murders that shocked america as emily compagno goes deep inside a different case each week. the fox true crime podcast, crimes on campus, class is in session. >> very timely. emily, tell us about what you have been covering. >> we are four different episodes that are unique and tell a different horrific story about a crime on campus, one of which was chris candler, who talks about being abducted and

almost murdered while studying abroad in space appeared we have a the miami hurricanes football player who ten years later was finally an arrest shocked the community that the arrest was his former football teammate. we've also got rod smith, an attorney who shares about his experience prosecuting the gainesville river, i know we remember that serial killer out of florida. and we also have this pure we spoke with an investigative journalist about a fraternity drug trafficking ring at the college of charleston that ended in murder. >> walk us through what exactly happened. what that drug ring was like and how the takedown occurred. >> there was this sort of, you know, washing machine cycle that worked well. i think that would have just kept going until at least graduation until patrick lawfully's murder got the police on the trail of this drug ring, and these fraternity guys started wearing wires on each

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