>> this is breaking now. they biden administration set to accuse russia of meddling in the 2024 presidential election. the administration will announce a plan to target what it calls russian disinformation and propaganda. so how will the biden administration decide what's disinformation? remember, this might all sound familiar. 2016 there was russian meddling. 2020 the hunter laptop. that was disinformation. oh, wait, that was not. it was verified. merrick garland expected to answer questions in about 90 minutes. hello, everyone. this is "outnumbered." i'm kayleigh mcenany with harris faulkner, emily compagno. also joining us carley shimkus, and fox news senior medical analyst and professor of medicine at nyu health, dr. marc siegel. let's bring in spunt david.

>> the attorney general will be joined by the -- fbi director christopher wray. there meeting for a task force meeting. they do this fairly frequently especially leading up to the election but we are told there will be an announcement today involving a criminal complaint and russian entities, entities connected to russia. we don't have all the details but for years the department of justice has said russia has been meddling in u.s. elections and we are expected to hear more of that about 90 minutes or so. we are told possibly we may get the complaint, meaning the criminal documents, before the election threats task force at 130 but we have heard that all the way from the kremlin, president putin, some of the russian state run media organizations has been a problem. drg has been sounding the alarm on this, as you mention, since at least 2016. those officials will have to answer some of those questions. another question i want to pose

and find out, iran. iran is another country where the director of national intelligence says, avril haines said about two months ago, early july, that he iran is actively working to try to's notice of formation as we head into the election. not many details right now but this selection, two months away. you have the fbi director and the attorney general all sitting on a table today to talk about some of these issues as we lead into the election. >> kayleigh: david, keep us updated. we'll follow it. it's been eight years ongoing, we have heard rationale, rational, russia, russia. no one wants a foreign power trying to influence the votes of the american people. that goes without saying. it's also important to remember where we were and where we are going and how it will influencee future. >> this cloud about collusion with russia will hang over him no matter where he stands. >> looks like he's listening to pollutant more than american

intelligence. >> we are about to find out if the new president of our country is going to do -- >> the president is an operative. >> looking to see if it's linked to an ongoing russian disinformation effort. >> hunter biden, the laptop, the intelligence officials have warned is likely russian disinformation. >> ongoing russian disinformation effort. >> kayleigh: harris, forgive the american people for wanting to know more about this based on those lies. >> harris: basically know where they were getting their information from. if you want the definition of disinformation, watch that clip over and over again. they have formed a whole agency to identify disinformation. remember that? then it was disbanded under a cloud of disinformation. it was a mess. this works, they think, for the

left but it didn't work. didn't work in 2016 and it's not going to work now. the timing of it is right before the immunity hearing tomorrow in a few days before the debate on tuesday in a few days before the potential sentencing of donald trump in new york. there is a drumbeat to this, they know very little of that is probably going to work out so they're kind of front loading. they are doing the thing we do as human beings. if we pack everything in a suitcase, something's got to fit. even though i'm 20 pounds overweight or whatever it is. i don't know. will watch to see but they should start with those 51 intelligence agencies -- agents who lied about the laptop and check on whether or not they know how to root out disinformation. >> kayleigh: 2017, that was a direct quote that you heard. speaking of the presidency of donald trump, a russian op. that was 2017. then you fast-forward to 2020, to harris' point, 51

intelligence officers. here's what they had to say. "the arrival on the u.s. political scene of emails reportedly belonging to the hunter has all the classic earmarks of a russian information operation they so steeply suspicious that the russian government played a significant role in this case it will pull of "the new york post" headline. they were banned. i was banned as press secretary because this was all rushed out disinformation and here we are again. >> emily: real consequences, real impact of that false narrative and you illustrated a couple. it had a massive ripple effect on the media, the veracity of what we were receiving as american people. to me, there are two layers. the bottom underlying layer in which russia and our enemies have engaged in a very protracted and very purposeful agenda of disinformation and misinformation and all those words. with a priority of social agitation here and the destabilization of the u.s.

the whole point is we have short-term memories. they don't. they have real long memories may have all the time of the world and we operate in increments of four years. maybe eight. they do not. they have been doing us for decades as a long-term goal of undermining our civility. the other layer is the role the democrat party and the media have played in furthering it so they have succeeded in achieving russia's goals, as they throw stones at the glass house that is the trump administration. they are furthering that. it's like the beastie boys said. where did you get your information from? >> kayleigh: good one. the irony of this is if you read to the bottom of the scene they note none of this is an effort to change vote totals or election system is secure. it's influence operation. still bad nonetheless. the reason i bring that up is because there is legislation called the safe act that is

about purging noncitizens from voter rolls. i spoke with glenn youngkin and he told me about 6,000 noncitizens he found on the virginia voter rolls. that could change elections. why don't democrats hope for that. >> there is also a political motivation there and then you bring up, there are a lot of illegal immigrants in the country. could they someday become legal and vote? all that becomes political when it really shouldn't be. some of the save act, gra grade point. i believe we are learning some news. >> harris: breaking news. this is something we have seen. we will get back to the conversation but we want to bring you the latest from georgia. a score was put on what we were told as a lockdown today over reports of gunfire. large police presence is still at that school and the school is about an hour northeast of atlanta. we were told that parents were able to pick up their children once they were released from sweeping the grounds and getting

those kids evacuated from the structure. we were told that had happened already. we don't have a lot of firm information on the numbers of kids, what that looks like, if there is the command post nearby and all those things. we're working to learn more about this because this is key to notice. normally in these situations once the kids are out of the way you will see some changes in the footprint of law enforcement. they may push and a little bit closer. therefore steps may slow down a little bit. tells you the threat may have eased a bit if some of the potential victims will be gone so we still don't know the whole story. we need to know more about whether or not there's anybody anybody left in that structure. are there teachers? we don't know enough to tell you exactly why there is such great presence by law enforcement and other assets there that would be available in case of any injury

or anything of the like. we are watching. a statement now from the governor of georgia, camp. "i have directed all available state resources to respond to the incident at apalachee high school and urge all georgians to join my family in prayer for the safety of those in our classrooms both in barrow county and across the state. we will continue to work with local state and federal partners as we gather information and further respond to the situation. now this for the fbi. we are starting to get more information. i approach this with heavy caution and i would do it again. we were told last hour when this was first breaking during the faulkner focus that parents could pick up their kids would have been released but now from the governor's statement, if you are praying for the people in the classrooms, now look and we don't want to show too much of the close-up of the footprints, the foot traffic that

law enforcement is making so sometime soon i would imagine this helicopter shot is going to pull back because that communicates a lot. that communicates a lot if you've got a screen inside the building and you're the perpetrator. here's the fbi. glad atlanta is aware of the current situation at apalachee high school in barrow county. our agents are on scene cord meeting with and supporting local law enforcement. again, look at your screen. those are some of the kids. i don't know if faculty are among them but some of the young people who were able to get out during last hour, we don't have total numbers on that so we don't know how the number that we are seeing on our screen would compare to how many kids were actually in the school. we are late enough in every time zone now for kids who have been at school for at least a little bit of time. so it is likely early in the school session across the country no matter where they are, some schools sorted earlier. some just started today across the country. we're early enough in the school

day where there is classrooms potentially would have had quite a few students in them. parents have been asked to be in a holding area to pick up the kids that have been released. you see some of them out there. this is new. from the barrow county sheriff's office. i suspect suspect is in custody. authorities are currently at the scene of a school shooting at apalachee high school located at 940 heyman morris road. all of this unfolded approximately 10:23 a.m. a short time ago. this is georgia. officers from multiple law enforcement agencies in fire, ems personnel were dispatched to the high school in reference to a reported active shooting. again, this was local time, not quite two hours ago. at the time of this release, one suspect is in custody. casualties have been reported. that is an affirmative on that,

sadly. however, details on the number of people hurt our more serious than that, or their conditions not available at this time. this is very early. it's an ongoing situation. you will hear me say that over and over because the facts are dripping. they are not coming in very quickly. we have steve harrigan in atlanta who is reporting on this. the good news is that we can see dozens of children, maybe even faculty numbers that have come out of the structures on the grounds and are now able to cross that road next to the football field and hopefully reunite with their family members or adults picking them up. steve. >> clearly a good signal to the immediate danger has been passed. adults, families, parents are moving to the school. they have permission to pick up their children. there is less running around. with this situation is just about 90 minutes in. this is a high school.

nine through 12, about 40 miles outside of atlanta to the east. about 1900 students involved. as the shooting went on most of those students removed to the football field area so now the situation has been cleared where they can meet with their parents so some of the frantic movement that we saw earlier has slowed down. looks like the situation is to a large degree under control. what we know now as far as facts grow is that one shooter is in custody. we also know that there are a number of wounded who had been taken to a local hospital. what we did see through news helicopter was that one of those people, a woman, was airlifted by helicopter. at least one person seriously wounded enough to be airlifted out. as tyrone wounded taken to hospital. all resources are on the scene. governor kemp promised they would do everything possible to help matters.

aflac, georgia state police, local police, huge presence of police days into the school year, already a shooting about 40 miles from atlanta. paris. >> harris: dr. siegel is with me. always great to give us some information about the victims would be taken. grady memorial hospital in atlanta, georgia, it's what dr. siegel is saying. it's a level 1 trauma center. does that match what's happening on the ground? >> about 45 miles away, that's one option. some of the wounded have been taken to another level one facility and that would be piedmont athens regional hospital which is a lot closer. it's likely they could be going to one or both of those and at least one woman removed by medical helicopter. perhaps at least one person could be seriously wounded. we are not hearing about deaths. we are not hearing details about

the shooter. that shooter is in custody, we are about 90 minutes into the crisis but it seems calmer on the ground. >> harris: the reported one suspect in custody. steve harrigan, i know you're going to be with us throughout the hour so i think you and i want to release you to gather more information. we're going to dig in with dr. siegel. tell me about a level 1 trauma center. first, when you hear a helicopter left, steve was pointing out, woman taken up by helicopter to stephen into my reporting over the years, that's something serious. >> marc: absolutely. and we are all worried that it could be gunshot. there is something the magic hour to get someone from on the ground into a level one travel center. the one in grady is the top in the country. emory university medical center and atlanta. 45 miles away, what you try to do, if it's a gunshot, you try

to stabilize the patient by fluid resuscitation. you want to make sure that you stop the bleeding and counter the bleeding as soon as possible. we don't know if that's what that woman had but obviously in this situation would be worried about the fact that she was airlifted by helicopter is good that that happened fast. >> harris: there can be a rock star in your midst no matter where you are. grady may be one of the best in the country but i'm thinking of piedmont is closer that may be where they go. >> that's what steve harrigan was saying. it depends on the level of the wound. here's what level one is. it's 24/7 availability of neurosurgeons, trauma surgeons, people in the hospital or within striking distance of the hospital to stabilize the patient. that's level one. that can be anywhere. that doesn't have to be all the way in atlanta either so it all depends on time. what's the time factor? how stable is the patient. emergency personnel on the ground determine that. >> harris: i want to get to that. sky fox 5.

fox 5 in atlanta was flying and i think they are still flying. that's how we have these pictures. emergency responders can be seen treating people at the school so you're talking about who's on the ground. one person observed, being loaded onto the helicopter. this would've been a few moments ago. dozens of law enforcement officers still at the school and according to "u.s. news & world report," approximately, and steve had said the count, 1,900 students enrolled. it's one of two high schools in the barrow county public school district. emily, i want to lean on you into different directions. one is the legal aspect of all of this and the capture of the suspect. that's always, always preferred to anything else because you going to get some answers and you know you've got perhaps the perpetrator in this relatively quickly in this instance. >> emily: absolutely. you eliminate the threat. first priority is to eliminate

the threat and we saw tragically highlighted not happen in the tragic school shooting at uvalde. here we obviously are awaiting many details but to hear that that that has indeed occurred is i'm sure a source of massive relief to those families. just to remind everyone, to remind our viewers that six of the 75 mass shootings in the united states in sandy hook elementary occurred in georgia. a reminder, the center for homeland defense and security, we have the definition of school shooting. that's a continuous episode of violence, killing or wounding victims on the school campus. it's so troubling because we are seeing an exponential rise. it's not a gradual or proportionate rise. what i mean by that is the number of victims killed or wounded in school shootings, for example just last year, it was more than twice the number of victims in any year prior to 2018. as we chatted about earlier, this is the first day of school.

i was looking at family photos of my relatives in their first day of school outfits here we are already now experiencing this. it is nothing short of tragic and frightening. >> harris: it is really frightening. for those of us were of school-aged kids. doctor, you are part of this too, we think okay we don't need to start the year off with a warning on this. but we know that we kind of have to. >> kayleigh: it's tragic. every parent in america, you had summer break. you came back from labor day vacation. everyone is ready for first day of school. i just had first day of school. most parents in this country did. dispute -- these parents at apalachee high school did. there's about 1900 students. 122 teachers. now you think that's 2,000 families wondering if their student was injured, if their teacher, their parent was injured. they should not have to be what american parents have to think about as september begins. unfortunately it is.

we want to bring in ted williams, former d.c. homicide detective. these images, jarring for everyone, school just beginning. we are reading this have a police presence. you can clearly see it. the airlift that was just discussed by steve harrigan. once this have a police presence tell you 90 minutes into whatever incident occurred? >> it's unfortunate, very chilling. i listen to all of you all around the couch there or you talk about your own children are starting school at the beginning of the school year. for something like this to happen, it takes your heart away from you. from what we know, apalachee high school, the apparent shooter perhaps may very well be down. or shooters, should we say. we've been told by the sheriff's office there are in fact

casualties. we know there are multiple gunshot victims. the school itself is in a lockdown position. we know, this is every parents nightmare. you know, children go to school to learn and then we have to teach students and children combat tactics of what to do if, in fact, there's a situation like what is taking place unfortunately here at apalachee high school. harris, who was on that couch with you, many of you all, all too often we have covered these kind of situations. it seems like unfortunately this is just another day in america. to be candid with you, it should not be but it is. >> kayleigh: ted, i want to ask you about the movements we are seeing because there was

that lockdown and then the students were moved out onto the high school football field. tell us what's happening with these parents. i'm sure so many are desperately rushing to that school wanting to be reunited with their children. >> what you're finding is parents are out of their head. i can tell you what is happening on the school campus there. since he had so many shootings throughout the year high school campuses, school campuses, there is also it's of plans put in place as to how students are to proceed, even to a large football field of that nature. the parents also have been to the school as it pertains to what should take place under the circumstances. have to believe in some states here very shortly school administrator will be in touch with the parents.

i would expect that any time now there will be some kind of a presser that will reassure parents about the location of where they can go to pick up their children >> harris: yeah, that's in motion and that such an excellent point. we started there. that was established very early on. if you look at your screen, we ask the audience to do that, to the far left of your screen you see the football field. there's an area that students come out of where they have been cleared to pass a road toward the field and then they're going to, from their perspective, go to the right and around the circle, around that oval, if you will, to meet with parents who are asked now about an hour to go to big bear to accept students off the field grounds as they are released to be ready for reunification, if you will. we have covered a number of these and it never gets any easier to say the words that people have been injured.

and it never will. i pray with you that we can stop seeing this, that our children will not have to worry about this. but they do. i want to add that casualties have been reported, plural. a local hospital is now receiving patients with gunshot wounds this is coming from a source at the hospital. georgia state patrol previously said it had responded to an active scene at the school another we know there are injuries. jonathan serrie. ted, we thank you. we ask you to stand by. jonathan serrie is in atlanta with new information. jonathan. >> yeah, harris, this information coming from grady hospital. it's a well respected and well-known level 1 trauma center in downtown atlanta. to give you an idea. this is about 40 miles to the southwest of winder, where the school shooting took place. gives you an idea of how this is a multijurisdictional response

responding to the school shooting, really mobilizing and effecting most of north georgia in this response to this small community where the shooting broke out. grady is saying they are treating one gunshot victim from that high school in winder, no update on the condition but we know that there are multiple injuries. we don't know the exact number. and the exact conditions. getting some information from our bureau chief, david lugo it's, who was found out from the school district that all lockdowns are now lifted. certainly a relief parents who are going to want to go and be reunited with their children after this tragic and harrowing incident, harris. >> harris: , i want to add that at least reportedly five ambulances have responded to this. we knew of one through

steve harrigan's reporting, one helicopter that had showed up to pick up a woman, steve said, we don't know her condition but would connote it's pretty serious. a lot of assets on the ground taking people to hospitals. when you fly out. dr. siegel is with us. that's never a good sign but we pray for everybody involved in this. i know i will hear people all day long, but to me and tell me it's not enough to pray. sometimes that's what you have to do first. that's what some of us choose to do first. we pray for the first responders who are they are trying to do their jobs as well because remember, they feel it too. they feel it too praise our children. these are young people at the beginning of their dreams in their lives and they were targeted by somebody today. we don't know who that suspect is, who is in custody. we will not guess and take any kind of information that's not confirmed about that.

we may be slower to reported but when we tell you, we will be accurate. apalachee haskell blocks to the barrow county school system. we know, as jonathan, and view reported, those kids of been cleared to leave, the parents can pick them up when they are notified to pick them up so they are waiting for kids who have been released. jonathan serrie, you've got some new information again. >> yeah, harris. just got some more information. we had reported that we had heard that the school district had lifted the lockdown. i am now told that information is incorrect. we cannot confirm that the lockdowns have been lifted so we are waiting more information from the school district on when parents can come and be reunited with their students at the school. >> harris: okay. that's important. it's interesting. emily, i asked you to stand by, we were talking at how quickly this is moving. it is still a crime scene. not everybody is off the scene yet, not everybody has been

completely clear. what happens logistically on the ground here? >> emily: the primary priority is limiting the threat but also ascertaining if there are additional threats. we don't know. law enforcement doesn't know as they come into a situation like this, did the student lay bombs, traps? when i say student, we don't yet have the information of the perpetrator. let me amend that to say to the perpetrator leave any type of additional propensity for violence and injuries to the people? you're absolutely right that protecting and clearing the scene is of equal import. as you know, address that in these con centric circles so that you ensure that the lives of law enforcement are protected, it's a multilayer thing. we talked about federal and local law enforcement, you read the statement. federal agents are on scene working closely with local

law enforcement so that ups the ante for communication, synthesis. seamless nests between those agencies. we have paul moreau. let's bring him in. retired nypd inspector. you will have incredible expertise on these unfortunate tragic situations. tell us what we need to know about what might be happening right now as we are watching this. >> first of all, the primary objective here is to make sure you get anybody who is injured help immediately and it looks like they have gone pretty far downrange on that so it's about isolate and contain. according to the reporting, one in custody. we may be passed that stage. as we have seen, very often in circumstances like this, there is another accomplished someplace but there also could be a residual threat in things like what we saw with thomas crooks and butler, pennsylvania, where there were some ieds. they weren't well constructed. but you don't know who this person is right now. the information that you're

going to be getting on the scene is fairly chaotic. looks like they are locking it down. the first nine reports in a situation like this out of 10 are going to be wrong. one of the things they're going to lean on here our protocols. you hope. you hope the school in addition to local law enforcement had protocols in place. maybe some training, security in place at the school, reacted with muscle memory to make sure that things were done to mitigate this as much as possible. so right now all your hoping is that the one piece they have in custody is the only piece. the backwards look starts in terms of law enforcement while medical personnel do their thing. >> emily: only talk about resources and plans, what does that look like? a lot of questions americans and had is about the pace and the information released after these things so is it occurring in real time? when can we expect to learn

more, what challenges are there to those agencies that you articulated. >> that's a good question. almost all, in fact all of the protocols that you see designed for emergency situations like this include a press component because law enforcement, government in general is aware of the fact that they work for the people and you're going to have to let people know what's going on. for no other reason than to assuage concerns. the mitigating factor is the fact that if you've got wounded or god forbid some doas, the families that have to be notified first. there's a very good chance that what they are trying to do with the communications portion of this is to make sure that everybody that is a relative, family, loved one, they are fully notified of what is going on. we've all seen those stories were a family says i had to find

out this bad news from the news media and that's no way to find something like this out. they are i am sure pressing very hard on that and that comes down to protocols set up on the law-enforcement side. agencies. there should be procedures. so that all these agencies are sink arising in the public relations aspect of this will come along as soon as they feel they have this thing under control. >> emily: paul moreau. thank you. we're going to come now back to the couch. carley, we have learned schools are still on lockdown. >> carley: ongoing, active situation. there are facts right now we can talk about and the feelings on the emotions behind when you're seeing a school shooting unfold on your screen on the first day of school. the barrow county sheriff's office says one suspect is in custody. casualties have been reported. details on the conditions not yet available. local hospital receiving

patients with gunshot wounds and a medical helicopter, as you mention, has airlifted someone which means their condition is serious. they also said the fbi has responded. the agencies that should be on scene are on scene right now in the investigation has already begun as the suspect is in custody. suspect, not dead but with local law enforcement. i'm sure being questioned as to what this person's motive was. if you locate your screen and you see the flood of students and activity and you put yourself in the position of apparent rushing to the school to pick up their student that they just dropped off on the first day or second day when everybody is wearing their best outfits and at school with their friends and excited for the new school year. all the new gear and hopes and dreams that go along with the start of the new school year for these young people, it's just shocking that this news is

unfolding today and a sign of the depravity and evil that could take place in the country. harris also mentioned prayers to the first responders and we have seen what that looks like. i am reminded of the school shooting that took place in nashville and what it looked like when those brave individuals went in to confront that shooter and then putting their lives in the line to save others. >> harris: it is always great to be mindful of everybody on the ground because this isn't easy for anybody. some of those parents who will respond have children at that school. statistically more than possible. all right, let's start from the beginning now. 10:23 a.m. eastern. this is in barrow county georgia. the call goes out for help. we heard from the governor already about this, directing

all available state resources to respond to an incident at apalachee high school and he urged all georgians to join his family in praying for the safety of those inside our classrooms both in barrow county and across the state. the governor of georgia said we will continue to work with local, state and federal partners as we gather information and further respond to the situation. this was just beginning to unfold. they had not caught the suspect yet. we knew that we were being given now we know a little bit of conflicting information about how fast you can pick up your kids at the school. they were in fact trying to get many, many kids out of those classrooms and they were successful at doing that but there has been a little bit of a delay. all of this. being able to cross over to the football field on the left side of your screen and be waiting for your child who would have made that track to come and get you. they have not lifted any lockdowns at this point. eventually that will happen.

early reports were that everything is in lockdown and what you can tell from the georgia governor's statement and what you know in covering so many of these unfortunately is that every school in the vicinity and other areas will be on lockdown. the school at the heart of this was on what we call a hard lockdown. there is no movement other than getting people out of the way and law enforcement and health responders on the ground trying to save lives and attend to those who are wounded. we don't have hard numbers on that. jonathan serrie is atlanta. hoping they can fill out some more things as we are watching close-ups on the ground of the movement. people pulling up. slower footsteps. jonathan, you had said that. the suspect in custody. >> yeah, with the suspect in custody. tensions are lowering. all of the lockdown continues authority say that the school building has been cleared and now students are being released to their parents.

families that need bus service. they say that the bus service will also be available. again, one person in custody. local station fox 5 atlanta reporting that two patients were seen being loaded onto helicopters, being taken to area hospitals. we know that one patient arrived all the way to grady hospital which is located in downtown atlanta about 40 miles away from the town of winder. grady has a very reputable well-regarded level 1 trauma center. there's a saying in atlanta that if you are a gunshot victim and you make it alive to grady, you will survive. that is how well-regarded this levelevel 1 trauma center is at grady hospital in downtown atlanta, harris. >> harris: jonathan, thank you very much. as i come to you, doctor, i have a little bit of detail. this takes every one of us in

this country. i don't know if you all are watching some of the social movement from the state of georgia and i hope it's okay, greg's mom forever, i'm going to call you out. she says most of the schools and georgia went back on august 1st. that was a question that we had. our viewers now are part of answering some of this. doctor, that would mean that of the 1900 that kayleigh was talking about, of those kids and potential classrooms on the 122 teachers or so. nearly 2,000 families impacted by what happened today in a wider community, the law enforcement. i know that you wanted to say something about those emergency responders. >> marc: a number of things i want to bring up. as i said earlier, it's an issue of speed. we don't give enough attention to the emergency medical technicians. when you get to the hospital, as jonathan serrie pointed out, grady is known for saving lives. if you make it to grady, you

survive. i know the hospital in the medical center really well. also piedmont is good. if you're leaving the scene by ambulance going 25 miles, very likely you're going to be surviving. it's very likely. there's a a word called stabilization in a word called triage. people on the seen. that's where someone ends up on the helicopter. we have to get them to the best possible facility fast. they are not all on the helicopter. five ambulances. speaks to the idea that there was a rapid emergency response. what do they do. they put in intravenous lines in, give them fluid. that's life-saving. the used tourniquets. if you are shot in an arm or leg, the used tourniquet. all that looks like it went down really well. i don't sense that there was a delay here on the part of the emergency response, which really speaks well. we don't of the details, we don't know what's going to happen but it speaks well to the

emts and their heroes. the second point, the other point that you just brought up, it's about the families. paul morrow talked about it. somehow i have to figure out a way to communicate to families without interfering with his triage that i talked about. you have to inform the parent or family if your child is injured or if somebody is injured. they have to do it in a way that's organizing it doesn't interfere with emergency response. >> kayleigh: is worth mentioning how little we hear the words "a suspect is in custody." you often hear that the threat has been neutralized. it reminds you of oxford high school, ethan crumbley, when the suspect was in custody and you rarely see that happening. i'm looking at the list of school shootings and thinking about perry, iowa. this happened so often in our country. the first week of school. look at these images. they are jarring.

police vehicles. the first day of school, these kids showing up in the beautiful new outfits. we will learn the details and we will learn more about this individual in custody and we will learn the names of those who have been injured, the casualties of this. but for every mom in america, i think i'm speaking for when i say this happens too often. it should never happen. i want to learn about this. i will learn, where their security guards? could there have been security guards? these are the questions that we need to ask. i needs to be a postmortem on each and every one of these events. we need answers and changes. >> harris: doing -- do we know the suspect? was he known. >> carley: we don't know anything yet. it's so difficult to parse through these situations. but usually there's -- there's a school shooting that takes place you look back and go, there were red flags left

and right. what about the family. could there have been some sort of intervention? what about a psychologist at a school. what about a teacher that notices something. those are the things that we will learn in the days and weeks to come. dr. siegel, what about the psychology? >> kayleigh: to that point, ethan crumbley, you think about the things we learned in hindsight. there was a picture we learned. didn't communicate when -- the very day, the signs that were there the very day. >> marc: really important point. we are not looking at enough at the mental health of people doing mass shootings. when he think about it, they are random. they don't know anyone. most of the time these are random shootings. people that are psychotic. people that were not looked at. people that evaded obvious signs where they work motet.

we don't have enough mental health personnel. we don't have them in the ground. we don't have interventions in place. we are focused, really focused on guns, not on the people shooting them. they're going to get their guns. the issue is, what is their mental health like? we h have in norma's crisis. cdc has been putting out reports on this that teens and young adults are in trouble. young women are suicidal. depression, anxiety is flourishing coming out of the pandemic. it's an enormous problem and it's leading to these shootings. >> harris: that's really important and some of the first people to see that part of the puzzle now are in law enforcement. the hard part about that detail we talk about this all the time. the hard part about that detail is by then it's too late. if law enforcement is the first to really get involved today, look at what this person potentially would've done. we don't know the circumstances with this particular suspect that we have known in the past

they -- there were red say -- red flags. that element of it usually is not dealt with successfully until something happens and then so-and-so needed help. as kayleigh pointed out, and i said this first emily, it's rare that we get to say they've got somebody. maybe we can get those answers. maybe there's something we didn't do here that we could do before the next one. i want to bring back retired nypd inst inspector paul mauro. you have worked difficult scenes like this. what really is the pattern? seemed like it was moving staccato in the beginning we were going to get to see the kids go with her parents. then things seem to slow down a little bit. what's happening? >> is very hard to tell from our perspective. they may have found something that gives them pause. heavy indicia of an accomplice

or as i mentioned earlier even some indication of an ied or booby-trap or something that made them say okay. we have to continue this lockdown. the other thing that we have to remember is this is an enormous crime scene. there's going to be a prosecution presumably. we have one suspect in custody. i'm sure it's a large school. it's one thing we can definitely ascertain from the view that we have. they are, i am sure, going methodically through every broom closet, every janitor closet, all of that sort of thing to ensure that they don't miss anything. the last thing you want to find out is, he has an accomplice, has been hiding someplace undiscovered. then attend into that, any place where this place and was shooting, they're going to have to lock it down and realistically the whole school becomes a crime scene. one of the basic tenets of a crime scene as you always make it larger and then moving. you don't do the reverse.

there may be multiple shooting locations. we don't know. the smart move here is to take a step back, slow down, designate the entire place as a crime scene and then very methodically go room by room, door by door and make sure you don't miss anything while others handle the stuff that dr. siegel and yourselves have been talking about witches notifying loved ones. hopes and prayers. the hospitals and emts who are heroes, doing their best to save the lives. >> harris: carley mentioned how many times this has happened, i think you gave six of the 75 school mass shootings have occurred most recent times in the state of georgia. how does that impact the kind of response that we would see today and why hasn't it gotten better? >> i can't really speak to

whether this was -- it seems to be pretty orderly. you don't see people running around bumping into each other. seems to be a methodical approach. to your point you like to think that without much preamble, that many prior incidents, the protocols for law enforcement to respond and all this to be synchronized were in place. it's an unfortunate reality. it may feel like a overreaction, like people are being maybe a little dramatic but unfortunately this is our lives today. and you do need these protocols and they do have to include everybody. school personnel, faculty and students. it may be scary for them to contemplate something like this. as you said earlier, what it also does is it sens sensitizes people to some warning signs. you would get a report of somebody who was maybe leading

us slipping down life, may be getting to dangerous terrain in their beliefs and where they were going mentally. that stuff gets interdicted and you won't hear about it. fortunately for everyone of these many more are stopped and people do get help. no system is perfect that's why how to prepare for days like this. >> harris: i had made the point that oftentimes law enforcement like yourself and your career, you would be the first people to see some of the instances of this. fortunately in some cases you're able to thwart that. force that person into getting help or they commit some other crime and they are not avai available. to do the worst. many times we find out about these people who have committed crimes like this and i'm not saying that's this person. we don't know what this looks like in terms of the suspect. but they had access to high school. they had access to high school. it may in fact turn out to be

somebody who's got the connection to that high school and from everything i've heard you say in the past and even today those are worth looking at. certainly we think the law enforcement for those instances where they have been able to step in and we hope that can continue with even more success. >> the key are the parents, or the caregiver, assuming this is a student. which we don't even know that yet. assuming it's a young person. wouldn't you end up getting one of these calls early and somebody is getting into, through the internet, social media, they are let down a dangerous path. i had one or two situations, think of one in particular in the terrorism world where the parents were not very cooperative. no other recourse but to arrest a young person. we didn't want to do it.

but the parents were uncooperative. unfortunately that's really what it comes down to to stop something like this. we're not saying that that happened here but if you get one of these things early, the home life, the people around that person, invariably that's what you're going to lean on and those of people who really are in the best position. >> harris: those were hard lessons with uvalde and sandy hook who both had grandmothers in the household and course, and apparent in the house hold. paul mauro, thank you very much. >> emily: i want to bring in retired supervisor special agent united states secret service, jeff james, now the chief of police at robert morris university. jeff, you've been listening to the analysis as we watch these dramatic events unfold. my question to you sir is between the federal and level and local law enforcement, you yourself transition from secret service and on your chief of police on a college campus. what is happening right now.

>> what is happening is we're seeing a lot more information sharing what is important and we see that all the time. anytime there is a tragedy, you find out that there was a breakdown in information sharing to that's one of the big things happening. the other thing that's getting better and the thing that needs to continue to happen, just like mr. paul mauro mention, if we can find these people when they are on the path to violence and give them what we call a threat assessment, and off-ramp, it's a huge win. in pennsylvania, the state mandated that all school districts are going to have building level threat assessment teams that's one of the things that i do, i train these assessment teams because if the people in the school, if the teachers, coaches, the other students can recognize these behaviors. they are visible. so much leakage that happens in all of these. if they can recognize the behaviors and interdict, like mr. mauro said, that's a crisis

averted. >> emily: talk about the realities of the security guard situation. we talked about ramping it up. those are individuals that aren't paid very much and we are now seen, as harris and carley in us have been discussing, ex-financial explosion of school shootings. the risk is a lot higher. talk about the synthesis between retired law enforcement, active law enforcement and security guard situation and we also discussed not allowing students to have smartphones. however, should everyone have dumb phones because of the end the day it's the lifeline for that communication that you just mentioned that my feet very necessary in situations like this. >> correct. the first thing i will address is the manpower issue with law enforcement and the cost of school district with saying that i have and i say this to every school, security isn't expensive. it's priceless. especially we see moments like

this. if you're going to pay your security personnel $12 an hour, you're going to get what you pay for. if you're going to hire, like in pennsylvania, the school district here. it's happening all over, they are establishing their own police forces and paying a premium for experienced people. if you have a 20 year state trooper, he's 50 years old and has good years to give and has a wealth of expanse and is good with the kids those are people that you're going to want to bring on board and pay them to stay. as far as phones, i will tell you i know there are a distraction in schools but they are a huge benefit to law enforcement. if you're in that, whether it's an active shooter or school or a mall when that person can get on the phone and tell us where they hear shots, what they see, that's a lifeline to us because we need to run to the gunman. if it's a huge school, i don't want to go in the wrong entrance and run a quarter-mile to get to the bad guy.

if someone's on the phone telling me that i hear shots in wing d by room 103, i can get right there and write to the bad guy and solve the problem. >> emily: final question for you. in your role as founder of capital security consultants you could conduct child safety presentations all throughout the state. you teach others how to respond and prevent these kind of thing so my question is what's the biggest question that you face from these college campuses or school campuses. what's the biggest challenge and biggest question as you apply all of this knowledge for these guys to prevent this in the future. >> the biggest challenge is getting the manpower. that's a law enforcement wide from the federal system to local municipalities. there aren't a lot of people that want to be cops now and the people that are eligible to leave are taking the ability to go. the biggest question we always get is what's your plan? we are very clear, very codified, you mentioned earlier

in your broadcast about the parents showing up. now isn't the time to realize whether or not you have a solid reunification plan. you should have practiced it and drove it and done tabletops. >> emily: thank you so much, jeff james. >> kayleigh: emily, as i'm listening to jeff, i was reviewing some of that fbi data that i've been looking at and every time you pull out the same data, 77% of active shooter spend a week or more planning what they are going to do. they exhibit four to five concerning behaviors and our calling katie pavlich just flagged some more data for me that half of shooters communicate their intent beforehand. you think about the case of ethan crumbley that i mentioned were he did that in a drawing. how do you stop us? if you're a teacher, if you're a concerned citizen, if you see someone exhibit this behavior and you take it to a psychologist.

one is mental health an indication that indeed something more nefarious may be afoot. see seven there was a great article in psychology today. significant changes in mood or behavior, obsession with weapons or violence. marginalized, being bullied, they react by identifying with the aggressor. difficulty forming relationships, difficulty dealing with stress and trauma. psychosis, homicidal ideation. believe it or not, to your point, people reveal it, they talk about violence and they have a plan. a mental health personnel knows that and looks for that. what's your plan? we ask flat out, what's your plan? >> kayleigh: what do you think is happening with the suspect. he's in custody. i believe please have a ton of questions. it's rare that we have someone who is alive. trying to find out, is there another shooter? i imagine he is detained at up police department. >> emily: a lot of questions. at this stage, the investigative

phase. this is not about bringing charges immediately. this is about learning more. specifically learning a about any additional threats and b, the how and why this particular situation. they're going to be doing everything they can to ascertain how to this individual get whatever weapon? was anyone else involved? what information, legal methods used, learning everything they can from the individual about how this happened so they can prevent it from happening again. >> kayleigh: to take the viewers back to the live scene, it's important to consider what's happening with parents. i spent a lot of time with darrell scott who lost his daughter, rachel. the stories he has of going to a gym and seeing loads of buses and praying that you see your loved one walk off the bus. i imagine there's a lot of parents doing that, hoping their children, their child is on the bus. >> carley: the only people who aren't watching this on tv are

the parents were so impacted because they are in their cars or at their reunification centers or they are running to the gym and the football field trying to get to their beloved child. i also want to say that president biden has been briefed on the school shooting. white house released a statement said the president was briefed by homeland security advisor. they add, the administration will continue coordinating with federal, state, and local officials as we receive more information. >> kayleigh: began at 10:23 a.m. we are still awaiting a press conference. more information as it pours in. a lot of questions and a lot of prayers. >> harris: 10:23 the first calls and now you're seeing the kids cross the street next the football field to reunify with their parents. that's a blessing. we pray for barrow county georgia today and all those families who were touched and affected by all of this. >> kayleigh: 1900 students, 122 teachers.

those are the estimates. they wait to be in touch with their loved one. >> marc: unfortunately when these events happen, they spread fear throughout the country and everyone feels unsafe going to school, including your kids. it's something we have to really prevent. >> harris: sometimes, and a carley, you are touching on this, we need to know the why. was there something on dark channels or maybe young channels of social media? that was unfortunately a motivator or suspicion. you do need to know that because sometimes there will be copycats. lawyers and law enforcement know this. they know that they've got to jump in and are there any other cases that you've had like this? it's a lock. >> marc: social media is a nightmare here. >> kayleigh: thanks to everyone. will keep you updated as we get those numbers. prayers for the casualties. we are with you. we are thinking of you at this very moment. apalachee,