the horse is sawer. roper is not sure about that. what is happening? if roper were out of the vehicle he would not be weirded out. this just eye-to-eye contact. >> bill: who is this guy? >> dana: like an elephant sticking in their head. >> bill: i don't blame roper one moment for that. we have to run. friday, enjoy the weekend while you get it. a huge week next week. >> dana: a big week. >> bill: a lot will come down on tuesday night. >> dana: i'm thinking what i should eat on tuesday night before the debate to last through the night. you know what i mean? it's a long night. >> what are the options? >> dana: i don't know. we have to work on that. >> bill: i'll stick with a banana. >> dana: you need more than that. harris faulkner will take you through the next hour. have a great weekend, everyone. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. president biden's son, hunter is revealing why he shocked

prosecutors and flipped to pleading guilty on all nine of his federal tax charges yesterday. he said he didn't want to subject his family to more pain and embarrassment. perhaps they've seen the youtube videos, too. the sentencing for this case is set for december 16th. that will be soon after the sentencing in his gun case. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus." hunter biden faces many years in prison in the tax evasion case particularly. president biden vowed he would not pardon his son. and the white house seemed to double down on what the president said yesterday. >> i can say that it is still very much a no to the questions that i've gotten about if the president is going to pardon his son. i don't have anything else. >> can you comment a commutation would be on or off the table? >> that's a no. >> harris: he is exposed to 17

years by pleading guilty. he could have leverage and get it down. some people don't have big doubts whether or not biden would keep that pre-campaign promise because he is not campaigning anymore. kamala harris is. whether he would promise not to pardon his son. maybe he will do it now. nothing to lose. the "new york post" cover reads i beg your pardon? legal scholar jonathan turley hunter biden ruined himself every step of the way and now betting on a pardon from dad. >> i think they have placed hunter biden in the worst possible position. they could have reached a plea agreement months ago when they had something to offer. by waiting until the very last minute, they are guaranteeing he gets very little benefit from a plea deal. i have never in my career ever heard of a plea being proposed without speaking to the

prosecutors beforehand. that's like a jump scare in the middle of the courtroom in front of a judge is not a good idea. >> harris: there is a reason why that doesn't happen that way because that kind of plea isn't just a plea of guilty. kerri urbahn is with me now. he wants his cake and eat it too with ice cream and a cherry on top. >> normally as jonathan turley was saying the government offers it, not like you say i'll take this kind of plea. as it turns out he pled guilty to all the charges. as i predicted on your show yesterday, high drama yesterday afternoon. having worked at the department of justice and press releases there was a tears sentence in the release saying there was no deal. that is a pointed remark from the department of justice and another thing i thought of

throughout all of this that was happening over the last couple of days we wouldn't even be here if not for the i.r.s. whistleblowers when everything changed. they were the ones who exposed the special treatment that led to that ridiculous plea deal that fell apart and the government tried to get aggressive because they realized we look bad here because we give the president's son special treatment and hunter biden ended up pleading guilty to anything. >> harris: one of the two i.r.s. whistleblowers that testified to congress that the d.o.j. gave special treatment to hunter reacted to the plea yesterday. >> this is a little bit of vindication but it is not why we came forward and now we're more fo focused how will we hold d.o.j. accountable for the way they handled this case and hopefully some mechanism to do so.

>> harris: "new york post" opinion headline says hunter biden's plea proves i.r.s. and d.o.j. helped tilt the 2020 election for joe. that is problematic, kerri. >> it is problematic and i think hunter biden this entire time has been -- when i say entire time i talk about the years when he started making money off his father's name when he was vice president through now thought i can get away with it because i'm the vice president's son and the president's son. it will be okay. another thing called the delaware way, which is basically a known soft corruption situation in delaware where the bidens just get away with stuff. i think that's why we saw jill biden at that trial every single day, including a jury selection. she assumed it is delaware. the bidens get to do what they want in delaware. david weiss, the special counsel in all of this, has spoken out about the delaware way in the past saying it's a bad thing,

it's true and that's why it was also especially upsetting when they weren't doing anything on hunter for so long. here we are, pled guilty to it all. it is seemingly over but -- >> harris: and he reserves the right if they take that alfred plea. he is not really guilty. he can cop to it but it doesn't taint him at all. that's the part of the deal the government can offer you that. most people aren't brazen enough to say i'll plead but i won't say i did it. >> the reason we can pretty much assume that joe biden is going to either pardon or commute his sentence. no effort to work out a plea deal. that's crazy. normally you go in with all these charges and say what can we work out here so i don't go to prison for 17 years? the fact you show up when the trial starts and say i will plead guilty to everything means that you have something in your back pocket or you wouldn't feel so confident. >> harris: it has been there all along. not even the back pocket. probably a headline.

former president trump has pleaded not guilty to special counsel jack smith's superseding indictment in the federal election case against trump. the judge granted smith's request to jump start the case with immunity arguments in place from the u.s. supreme court. that same judge also set a string of court deadlines for trump over the next two months to insure the trial will not begin until after the presidential election. however, damaging revelations could still come out in the final weeks of the campaign in the form of public filings. kerri, walk us through what we're watching here. >> for starters, this is a judge who is obviously hostile to donald trump and she made a couple of comments yesterday in court that revealed that she is not the most impartial of arbiters, one being to trump's lawyer she said i don't need rhetoric how serious and grave this is. rhetoric? we're talking about a former

president and possible future president of the united states being convicted of federal crimes and going to jail. of course it's grave and serious. it is a very big deal. she likes to say i will treat him like everyone else. sure, crime is crime or alleged crime an alleged crime but talking about the former leader and possible future leader of the free world. it is different and should be looked at differently with the stakes as high as they are over the next couple months. right now where is some contention is trump's team is saying the supreme court decision says there is a presumptive immunity that donald trump's communications and interactions with mike pence takes this off the table and that's their reading of the supreme court opinion. because of that the whole indictment fails. the judge says it isn't how i read it. the next two months we see a lot of trading of paperwork until after the election to see where they land. >> harris: they can bring up the things she allows in court about the revelations coming out

before the election day. interesting to see who is involved in the courtroom. we have seen many things, many connections, even, to certain places in the biden administration with people inside courtrooms against donald trump. we'll watch every bit of it and cover it, too. good to see you, kerri, thank you. the suspect in the deadly georgia high school shooting was in court today. minutes later his dad was in court, too. the suspected shooter was charged with four counts of murder. his father was arrested yesterday for quote knowingly allowing his son to process a weapon. today he was charged with second degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children. former federal prosecutor with this. >> you'll see in these cases where parents are charged that there has to be some sort of evidence the parents were aware that their child had some sort of issues on the mental health

side of things and/or had exhibited violent tendencies. they seem to have lined up a lot of that information early on in the investigation. >> harris: four people died and i want to show you them and take some time. a 14-year-old who had just started high school last month. and we'll go. he is in the pink hoodie there. christian, also 14 years old, a freshman at apalachee high school. richard, a math teacher who coached the school's football team and christina irimie a math teacher. nine others hospitalized with injuries from the shooting. wounded. all expected the make a full recovery when the police chief

gave a press conference last night. some will be released and possibly have already been but he couldn't give a number on that last night. let's get more now. dana marie mcnicholl is in winder, georgia, an hour east of atlanta. dana marie. >> good morning, harris. it was a quick first appearance for the father and son, both facing murder charges. now moments ago, the d.a. of barrow county stepped out and addressed the media sharing that colt gray will face additional charges. the day of the shooting on wednesday they were not able to assess the conditions of the injured victims. the d.a. said that once those victims are healed the court will bring those additional charges. i do want to bring you into the courtroom this morning. ist was full of the victims' friends and family. judge addressed the teenage shooter telling him he faces life if prison but the death penalty. now minutes after the hearing

was finished, colt gray was brought back into the courtroom for a correction by the judge stating he would not face the death penalty. now although the teen is being tried as an adult, the u.s. supreme court banned death penalties for juveniles back in 2005. colt did remain composed during the hearing, unlike his father. 54-year-old colin gray visibly distressed rocking back and forth and appeared to be even crying during the extent of his hearing. he is facing involuntary manslaughter, second degree murder and cruelty to children. the most severe charges ever filed over an alleged school shooter. the judge broke down the possible sentencing for gray's charges. >> for a maximum total of possible penalty for the charges you currently are facing of 180 years imprisonment. >> police are also questioning the mother of colt gray who has

a criminal history. she was charged with family violence and drug possession after being found in meth and fentanyl. arrested this year for theft but not involved in this case. the father and son's appointed counsels did state today the defendants will have different representation, which makes it seem like the grays will be hiring a different lawyer. they are both scheduled for another preliminary hearing december 4th. the d.a. also mentioned that he spoke with the victims' family. had a conversation with them laying out what is next, what is the criminal justice system means and a sense of support for the families moving forward, harris. >> harris: they are going to need it. our support, our prayers, all of it. dana marie, thank you very much. a violent venezuelan gang is spreading into more cities across america. now we had been warned we might see something like this coming from venezuela. they have had a lot of problems

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>> harris: we are learning new information about the dangerous venezuelan gang tren de aragua, also know as tda.

customs enforcement is confirming to fox news the four of the known suspected members arrested in a july shooting in aurora, colorado are here illegally. well, are we shocked? they were released into the nation under the biden administration's cash and release policy. again no shock. these men are separate from those in this now viral video from an apartment complex in aurora, colorado, members from that same gang, tda, are accused of taking over the complex very violently and famed denver based law firm was hired to look into the concerns. it says the gang had a quote strangle hold over the complex adding this. the evidence we reviewed indicates the gang members are engaging sex abuse of minors and

extortion and other criminal activities. tren de aragua is spreading across america. it is showing up in cities from dallas to new york city. you just heard what they found out with that law firm in colorado. so that's what they are taking with them. now i have lots of questions about why things weren't done in colorado but we'll save that for another perhaps. kamala harris is defending herself and the president on their border policy. >> i'm the only person in this race who actually served a border served a border state. what we need to secure our border. i spent two terms as the attorney general of california prosecuting trans national criminal organizations, violations of american laws regarding the passage, illegal passage of guns, drugs and human beings across our border.

my values have not changed. that is the reality of it. >> harris: well, they have really changed. she opposed treating illegal aliens as criminals and even suggested that ice should be eliminated all together. tammy bruce is with me now fox news contributor. let's do this in order. first of all i said we'll get to it another day. let's talk about colorado. if they knew they had a problem with gangs. tell me about the law firm that did the investigation. >> that struck me as change. the report was last year. it is september of 2024. this report was issued in 2023. we had the governor in that state say this is everybody's imagination, a fantasy. this is not really happening. come on. but why when you have detectives, maybe a trimmed down police department, you've got a city district attorney, all kinds of law enforcement but they hired this left wing law firm, international based in

seattle. if you go down a block or two here they have a big office on sixth avenue in new york city representing hillary's campaign, obama's campaign. >> harris: a political law firm. >> they have a political department. mark elias to left the firm was involved in the russia dossier. they hired that law firm to investigate a gang to see what is the gang doing? what are you doing? is this what we've been reduced to? when you put it through that kind of a channel, is that why it takes over a year and then you still deny it? that it's occurring? these are people, it is your community and constituents being subjected to these kinds of individuals. like ms-13 went throughout the country for a while. >> harris: these guys are worse. >> if that's possible. >> harris: if they knew that and look at what happened in the

apartment building and citizens with the tda members on the ground and spreading. that's corruption. that is dereliction of duty and corruption of what they are supposed to be doing. >> it's allowing a foreign gang to take control of part of your city and subjects other immigrants in the area what they were fleeing from their own country and we bring it to them and allow it to happen to them here. shame on them and aurora and colorado. >> harris: the vice president on the flip-flop now. >> what's new? it is a remarkable dynamic. we will learn a lot in this debate. she will do better in the debate than joe biden. the bar is at the floor at this point. i think that when we've got -- americans are getting -- smart people but a little perplexed about what the heck is going on when a campaign is meant for you to expose yourself to the american people, to be transparent. what are we going to do for you?

and we don't have that. and i think that it has gotten to be a little ridiculous at this point. >> harris: on the point of the border, the flip-flop there. speaking to what you are saying. we need to know what her real policy is and why, if she differed from biden, she didn't as the vice president who was in charge of the border step up and say mr. president, we have better ideas, let's do these. we know she didn't. we know she didn't. if she had she would be saying it. it would be a campaign point. >> not what she says, look at what she has done. >> harris: pay attention to how they act, now how they cover it. >> welcome back. >> harris: a huge slice of cringe and yet a new video meant to show democratic support for kamala harris. former new york city mayor bill deblasio putting coconut on his pizza and then eating it backwards, crust first. the popular coconut tree meme.

that's a lot of coconut. deblasio asked his followers to join him for an italian sunday dinner with guests. and there is more cringe on the menu for the dems. check out her white guy taco thing with running mate tim walz. you've probably seen this. >> i think i have white guy tacos. >> mayonnaise and tuna? >> ground beef and cheese. no flavor. here is the deal. they said to be careful and let her know that black pepper is the top of the spice level in minnesota. >> i'm the first vice president, i believe, who has ever grown chile peepers. >> i will expand my food knowledge. >> harris: it's weird. >> deblasio is desperate for attention. always known for that. but the democrats, it really reveals their lack of an

understanding of the american people in general. it is as though this is an effort, a cringe effort to look, i'm like you. it is very, very strange. the coconut thing, it's not popular, it's a strange story. she repeats it. it is odd. but these are -- >> harris: the coconut tree >> you fell out of a coconut tree? these are strange, ineffective efforts to seem relatable. if you are relatable, you don't need to work at it. >> harris: said the man putting coconut on his pizza to be like kamala harris. >> that's weird. >> harris: they came up with weird. >> they did. >> harris: they are helping us. former president trump is hitting vice president kamala harris for her weakness on crime. he will take his commitment to safety to those who protect us

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>> looking back, hands are up. coming out with a weapon. >> drop the gun, drop the gun. >> he has a weapon in hand. he has a weapon in hand walking back towards officers. >> harris: dramatic dash cam footage of the final confrontation between dallas police and the man who murdered their fellow officer.

darren burks was gunned down next week. the gunman shot two officers who responded to the distress call. he led police on a high speed chase before officers shot and killed him. just look at your screen. 243 police officers have been shot and injured in the line of duty so far this year. the names you see there scrolling are the 32 men and women in blue intentionally killed just this year by gunfire. we welcome correspondent brook taylor to fox news. new member of our fox family. she have starts with hard news for us today. glad you are on the story for us, brook. >> this is a tough one here. the vice president of the fop tells me that attacks like this against officers are escalating. he called this an all-out raging war against police. officer darren burke, as you just mentioned, is the latest

example of this. an officer just killed simply because he was wearing a badge. a long time teacher and coach and recently became an officer to serve his community in a different way. he was murdered less than a year on the job. dallas police say he was sitting in his patrol car between shifts when a shooter went up and murdered him. check out this dash cam footage here shows the final confrontation between the shooter and police following a 25-mile chase. the shooter identified by police as corey, stops in the middle of the freeway. walks towards those officers, a shotgun you can see in his hands. the officers are yelling at him to drop that gun before he is shot. according to fox research there have been 32 officers intentionally killed so far this year. now, remind you we aren't done with the year yet and already close to the total of all of what we saw in 2015 where there was 35 officers killed

intentionally. president of the fop says he is simply outraged by our leadership. >> where exactly is the leadership of our country right now? where is joe biden, where is kamala harris condemning the violence against law enforcement to make sure it's not socially acceptable. we need the leadership of this country to step up and support law enforcement. >> meanwhile, public visitation is going to be held here tonight for officer darren burks. his funeral is tomorrow. i got the chance to speak to his mom on the phone. she is devastated by this news. she tells me she wants her son to be remembered as someone who cared for the community and helped anyone and ultimately that's how he died, serving his community. >> harris: we'll take a key from his mom and certainly say his name today and remember him in the ways she has requested. brook taylor, thank you. paul mauro, retired nypd inspector and fox news contributor.

this is an expanding problem, hit jobs on cops. we cannot tolerate this as a nation. >> it does signal a change in culture, doesn't it? to put a few numbers on it. numbers compel. last year we set a record in 2023 for cops shot, 378. the most we've ever had. here is the number that start also. 115 of those were ambushes. so it's not like the cops got shot because they interrapted a robbery or crime in progress. that's essentially an ambush about once every three days. we have never seen anything like that in this country. you have to say what is causing it? one of the things you have to go to is the fact that since 2020, police officers, policing as a profession has been vilified and cast in the worst terms and for those who are perhaps maybe leaning towards doing something like this, they have just been validated and given their excuse by the powers that be and they

go. >> harris: i can't not say this because i'm certain people are thinking it. tda in this country, the venezuelan gang is a threat to national security. i never hear the vice president mention them and she is a former prosecutor and attorney general of california. it is a problem when your leaders, who say they have a specialty in a category, don't see the danger that americans are under at this moment. it is our cops and it is our citizen, too. let me get to this. former president trump sees all this and speak this afternoon to the fraternal order of police at a critical time for law enforcement. the organization's national vice president posted yesterday the war on cops rages on, seven officers shot in the last 48 hours. the historic violence against law enforcement we're seeing is a stain on our society. we should not and cannot allow this to be accepted as the norm. president trump has made crime a key part of his campaign with his commitment to quote make

america safe again. we saw that at the rnc convention. he has been critical, highly critical of president biden and vice president kamala harris. >> joe biden and kamala harris formed the worst presidency and vice presidency by far in the history of our country. this election will decide whether we reward kamala harris with re-election and four more years of crime. >> harris: we've seen kamala harris trying to frame herself as tough on crime with her background as i just mentioned to paul as a prosecutor. however, critics have pointed out her actual record. a liberal record. she pushed to overhaul the criminal justice department. expressed support for the defund the police movement and in 2020 posted a plea for donations for the bail fund for the 2020 george floyd rioters. her record speaks for itself and it won't help us out in this moment. >> it is not.

that's the record she is running away from and what i'm talking about when i say there is some sort of implicit sanction. i don't mean any of the progressives are actually saying go out and shoot police officers. but when you stop the enforcement. when you let this laxity begin to enter the criminal justice system. decarceration movement like we've seen in manhattan. in new york city we've all been gas lighted how crime is down. in new york city violent crime, the stuff that matters is up well over 30% over the last -- >> harris: we never hear that. >> property crime isn't reported. well over 2/three of property crime doesn't get reported to the police. if you look at metrics matter. >> harris: we know nothing will happen. >> when you talk about the migrants you have to look at that. add to all this chaos the overlay of an armed organized criminal gang like tda never mind migrants who are just

shoplifters. right now in california you lose $8 billion a year to shoplifting. this is -- by the way, due to proposition 47 that kamala as a.g. would not openly endorse it but her office all but wrote it. we know where she stands and the law and order president is here and we'll have to see if the voting population knows. >> harris: with tda, if there were threats that were known, would that be in a classified situation that a future president, presidential candidate would get? would that be in a situation where the white house would know that right away? >> it should be, okay? it's an international threat despite the fact we don't have relations with venezuela. you should be able to designate tda as an international narco organization and then deploy all of those things that you use against terrorists. >> harris: paul, thank you. always great to have you in

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>> harris: well, she has been the white house candidate for the democrats for 47 days. we still haven't seen vice president kamala harris do a news conference. why is that important? no one is asking her tough questions that she doesn't know that are coming and it's all impromptu. so far only one single formal sit-down interview as well. one organization gets her. what happens for everybody else? how harris dodges scrutiny. bide app advisor were frustrated with harris's performance at vice president. concerns fall into three buckets. they found her public performances unefb en. her risk averse to the point of

paralysis. the high turnover rate among her staff. those are big news stories except for on the media outlets that love liberals. voters say that her silence is actually not fair to them. >> you have to answer the tough questions. people have to know where you stand. >> i think she should drop out now. >> i think she should be speaking more. >> she should be speaking more to the press. >> i personally feel like an interview gives her more ways to speak what she is passionate and about. >> public figure. you just can't ignore the public. that's the position that she wins. it's a responsibility. >> harris: i have to get to the park in new york city. he knows what he is talking about. not to mention the fact that why don't we know her? it is 3 1/2 years plus that she has been vice president. anyway, a new op-ed headline to save democracy democrats guard

against accountability. excerpt here. saving our democracy requires shielding harris from any scrutiny that requires making sure she never articulates policy positions. hum. now kamala harris's running mate governor tim walz of me inmin seems to be taking a page from her playbook. new analysis finds in the two weeks before he joined the ticket with her, he made ten television news appearances. so he was everywhere. since the announcement he has only made one. meanwhile, former president trump and senator j.d. vance have done at least 39 interviews and pop-up news conferences and the president, the nation's 45th president has a news conference in 12 minutes from now, donald trump from trump tower. just six non-scripted interviews from the harris-walz ticket. power panel now. doug collins former republican congressman from georgia.

richard fowler fox news contributor. richard, you saw voters. it is hard to defend this. it is time to talk. it is 60 days out. what are your expectations? >> we'll see the vice president do a lot more interviews. right now preparing for the debate next week. most americans will likely watch paying attention to the election. after that you'll see her do more and should do more. the more she does, the less we'll have segments like this one. with that being said what you are seeing from this ticket is they're constantly on the road talking to the american voter and laying out policy positions at each one of the rallies. what we're finding in the polling and when you talk to the american people is many of these policy positions are not only likable but republicans that like them as well. cheney this week. >> harris: you are telling me that surrogates and others from the campaign are laying out the policies. the issue is she is not. giving them the study up butter

cup test doesn't matter. it matters that she take it. do you know what you stand for after 3 1/2 years, we still don't know. richard, i will come right back. doug. >> we really don't. i think the theme of this campaign. a lot made about music at rallies. why not sound of silence? that's really what we're seeing here going forward. i appreciate richard's positions here wanting to make it as easy as possible. i find it hard to believe and i didn't think it would happen but i actually am siding with biden advisors on the headline, that's the reason. those three reasons are the reasons you aren't seeing her out in public. i understand getting ready for a debate is all and good. seems like you can do more than one thing. you are the vice president which at times they seem to want to forget. she can be up to a job that requires her. i love what the gentleman in the park said. basically you are a public figure running for president. you gave up your right to be silent and not answer the hard questions. >> harris: she hasn't had it for

3 1/2 years, the vice president in charge of the border. kamala harris has reversed on a number of policies she previously support evidence from the border to fracking to medicare for all. however, there may be a new one to add to the list. this actually is kamala harris in 2019. watch carefully. >> it's big thing now. do you ban plastic straws? >> i think we should. look, i'll be honest. it is difficult to drink out of a paper straw. if you don't gulp it down immediately it starts to bend and then the little thing catches it and then, you know, so we have to perfect that one a little bit more. >> harris: oh yeah, okay. so her campaign now says quote, she doesn't support banning plastic straws, end quote. richard, what was that? >> i don't know why we're having a conversation about plastic straws. >> harris: we're having a

conversation about flip-flopping and one of the example is something so basic. we can just do basic. we don't have to do difficult and we can't understand her. >> both things can't be true. not laying out policy and having a conversation of evolution on policy. they can't be mutually exclusive. >> harris: to be able to articulate something as seism as a straw, why we showed it to you. the campaign had to clean it up. she didn't. >> what we're saying over and over giving you new policy positions she has seen because of her time as vice president. because of her time in the united states senate she is making an evolution of those. >> harris: the fact she doesn't like paper straws because of bendy things. >> we've seen her move on fracking. parts of the country fracking can work and become safer over the past couple of years. >> harris: it's flip-flop and the videos aren't that far apart. a woman's flip-flop.

>> you can't say she isn't talking about policies. >> we actually can't have the debate because it's spokesmen who say her positions are reversed. when she did have -- she dodgeed the issue of fracking and said now, the problem with that video shows exactly why you aren't having anything. that video shows exactly why she is not doing unscripted interviews. i let you finish. unscripted videos aren't being done because of those clips. if she changes, fine. if somebody told her before she went on stage that this audience likes non-flavored lay's potato chips instead of ruffles. she would say she wanted lay's potato chips. she is pandering. >> the interview she gave last week wasn't scripted. she answered the question on fracking directly. we know it was unscripted. more importantly what we're

seeing time after time in the speech she gave a couple weeks back on the economic plan expanding the child tax rate to $6 thousand something not only popular with democrats but republicans. >> harris: you are doing what she cannot do, articulate. have doug have the last word here please. >> the big thing is when she does give policy it has to be explained and the people don't understand why she is saying it and don't understand what the economic plan and understand why they've been 3 1/2 years this things she says are broken she hasn't tried to fix. >> harris: that's the question, richard when we get back together again. after 3 1/2 years why don't we know what she stands for and if she doesn't stand for those things under the current administration why didn't she talk about it then? vice presidents don't lose their voices when they are given something as important as the border. gentlemen, great to see you and great debate. thank you, "outnumbered" next. i hear it all the time.

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