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wire. polls are razor tight. will the debate be the make or break moment? we're on it. hi, everybody. first to rich edson in wisconsin where donald trump is set to speak any moment. rich. >> good morning, david. they're just letting the crowds in. we're in mosinee, wisconsin. it's a familiar setting for the president. they're doing the rally at a local airport and people are coming in next to the tarmac here. people started lining up a few hours ago, several hours ahead of former president trump's address here. we're expecting several thousand people to come on in here and there's enough seats and space for all of them. when you talk about wisconsin, you're talking about the blue wall and what was really the key to the former president's 2016 victory was puncturing that democrat blue wall. wisconsin is a big part of that. the former president has been hitting crime and the economy of late and spoke to the north carolina fraternal order of

police yesterday and the new york economic club where he pushed tax cuts, tariffs and wants a government efficiency commission led by elon musk. and democrats say he wants to cut taxes for the rich and they want to focus on the middle class. and trump benefitted from a court ruling, the judge in the hush money trial delayed the sentencing until after the election. >> big news, the witch hunt against me is postponed, everyone realizes there's no case, i did nothing wrong. it's a witch hunt, an attack by my political opponents in washington d.c. >> now, the judge maintains that he pushed it back to avoid the appearance of election interference. the idea that there is is entirely unwarranted and this is also ahead of debate preparation of the former president. he's going to have his second

debate of this cycle and first with vice-president harris in pittsburgh preparing for the session on tuesday. david: we'll get into the new york case in a minute with sal wisenberg, thank you, rich. and vice-president harris is preparing for the debate in pittsburgh. alexis with the latest. i'm in pittsburgh. kamala harris is in pittsburgh, it's the hot spot as she prepares for the upcoming debate on abc news. all eyes are going to watch that debate. she's prepping, what does that mean? looking at policy and focusing on you, the middle class, watch. >> so, i think it's important for people to not get distracted by, you know, his name on a tower when really we ought to look at the fact that he bankrupt businesses that he's involved in and economists have talked about his plan going forward and how it would contribute to america's deficit

and actually cost american middle class families more than they are paying now. >> so we'll have to see what voters think about that response. harris has barely done any media interviews, right, since she announced her candidacy and the vp has not participated in a debate in four years and she's trying to sharpen her skills. she and her vp pick tim walz have spent time in pennsylvania. and walz has been crisscrossing the state, actually joined by his daughter, and it's critical how important a win is for both parties. and former republican vice-president dick cheney, saying he's going to vote for kamala harris. says trump can never be trusted with power again. his daughter, former wyoming representative liz cheney discussing that decision. >> that there's never been an

individual in our country who is as grave a threat to our democracy as donald trump is. >> okay, so now going back to that debate prep and what's going on here in pittsburgh, she's trying to go get ready against donald trump on that stage. we know when trump talks, talks to the media and is unscripted and off the cuff. it could be difficult to prepare what he's going to say. david: and donald trump's sentencing in the new york trial was supposed to be a week after the debate. and that changed after judge marchan punted to after the election. and what is made on that move. saul, good to see you. and the judge said, i'm quoting him, he's a fair, impartial and apolitical. did he run this trial as though

he was fair and impartial? >> i don't believe that he did from what i read. i wasn't there in the courtroom, but it's an easy thing for him to do at this stage. the most blatantly political trial that we've seen in decades in this country was allowed to go forward. it was the fault of alvin bragg and i don't think the judge particularly conducted himself well at the trial. so what does it hurt now. he's already got the guilty verdict. the democrats can already talk about the guilty verdict. delaying sentencing does nothing for donald trump. it makes it look like the judge is magnanimous, but we know that he donated to a campaign

and his daughter. and he should have recused himself. david: the fact that it was an uncharged outdated misdemeanor that kind of magically turned into 34 felony counts by bragg himself, but then you have the supreme court decision talking about immunity, presidential immunity, saying, you know, there is presidential immunity. it might have affected-- they didn't say specifically about this case, but it could affect the case. that's what judge merchan is going to be deciding whether the supreme court decision on presidential immunity will affect this case. what do you think that merchan is going to decide on that? >> well, i think if you made me bet, i think he's going to come out and say that there was error, which there clearly was, in light of the supreme court's opinion, but that it was harmless because it was outweighed by a mountain of evidence against president trump. that's what he will say, i think. this is a problem entirely of

alvin bragg's own making because he did not have to put former presidential advisors on the stand to talk about their conversations with president trump while he was president. that was totally unnecessary for him to wane his case, but he put them on and here is the problem from his perspective. his prosecutors made a big deal about it in their closing statements. obviously bragg himself was not trying the case, but they made the decision to make a big deal about that testimony in their closing arguments so i think it's a real issue. it's not a frivolous issue at all for trump and his attorneys to raise. david: and by the way, for those who have forgotten, the lead prosecutor in the case was number three man at the biden's justice department. the fact that that happened, he took a step down in order to try this case makes it look even more political. with regard to immunity and the supreme court's decision on it.

andy mccarthy, it's a rather long quote, but immunity how it might affect sentencing. >> immunity is among the criminals laws the defendant is entitled to an immediate appeal, particularly a former president with potential criminalization of acts and whether it is or was proper to have a trial in the first place. immunity questions then should be decided before the immune defendant is subjected to further proceedings. should he get an immediate appeal based on this immunity? >> oh, on the immunity argument, absolutely. and judge chutkin in d.c. recognized that when she did her scheduling order the other day, she said it's going to be appealed immediately. there's a narrow category of issues in criminal cases that can be immediately appealed. another example is double-jeopardy.

the whole point of the double-jeopardy clause is that you not be subjected twice to a trial. so the damage is already done if you go through that second trial so you're allowed to appeal immediately and i think the same thing is true with presidential immunity. david: very quickly on hunter biden and his decision or his attorney's decision or however it was decided to plead guilty after months and months of claiming innocence. what do you make of it and do you think there will be a pardon? >> what i have to make against it, the case against him was very, very strong. the indictment and now the plea vindicates the whistleblowers and obviously, it was going to be incredibly politically damaging if he went to trial. david weiss was signaling that, when he was signaling the kind of evidence that he would be able to get in under what they call other crimes or other acts. and so, i think that he will be pardoned. i have no inside knowledge on

that, but i think he'll be pardoned and i think he'll be pardoned on january 20th or 19th. david: at this point it doesn't appear to be a concern for president biden that there would be a contradiction with his past statements on that. and great to see you, sol. appreciate it. robert f. kennedy, jr. getting his names removed from ballots on two key states. how is it going to impact the race between these two nominees? that's next. on everything with just one card. chase freedom unlimited. so, if you're off the racking... ...or crab cracking, you're cashbacking. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack. switch to a king suite- or book a silent retreat. silent retreat? hold up - yeeerp? i can't talk right now, i'm at a silent retreat. cashback on everything you buy with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours.

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>> well, two key states will now be taking rfk, jr.'s name off the ballot. that's what he wanted. so, how will his legal victory in michigan and north carolina play out? let's ask the editor in chief of the hill, bob cusak. thanks for coming in on saturday. obviously, these are really key battle states here. north carolina in particular, that's-- this is why rfk, jr. for those who haven't been following this

wanted his name taken off after he endorsed trump. he thinks it will be positive for trump. is it? will it be positive for trump? could he add a few votes now that his name is off the ballot there? >> yeah, david, i do think this is positive for trump and it's interesting because democrats have gone after rfk, jr. throughout this year and now they were fighting to keep him on those battle ground states. so listen, you know, when you're talking about this close of a race and this is basically a draw right now, any little bit of difference, a thousand votes could make the difference. so, those third parties and whether they're on the ballot or in the makes a difference. david: by the way, you talk about the polls right now and the polls are a snapshot in time they're not the vote, i understand that, but it is true in the past that trump has actually polled a little weaker than the actual election day when people who may have been

reticent telling pollsters who they were really going to vote for made up the polls. do you agree with that? if the polls are dead even now does that give a slight advantage to trump? >> yeah, look at history. 2016 hillary clinton going into election day, most thought she would win, and trump overperformed. and biden was confident going into election day and what happened? biden won, but narrowing. and that's a pretty good theory. david: rfk's endorsement and also, tulsi gabbert. how much does that difference make? does that endorsement broaden his base a little bit? >> i think it does. i don't think it's tremendously, but at various times this year, rfk, jr. was getting about 15% at his height. so, listen, not everyone is going to listen to him, but some of his supporters will and

it's good headlines for trump. david: now, the debate, of course, may not focus more on what people believe and think about trump because he's been coming and doing his rallies. he's now coming out with very specific economic plans, but kamala harris is still a bit of a mystery, isn't she? particularly on economic views. she's taken a little of trump's, no tax on tips things and a couple of issues. she seems to be directly contradicting statements that she's made in the past. voters really don't have a clear idea who she is or what her policies are, do they? >> no, they don't. she hasn't done a lot of media interviews, as we know, so this debate is extremely important. in the beginning of her campaign, after biden stepped aside, the harris campaign would say she's moving to the middle on fracking and health care, but more recently they're not answering questions. we called the other day where she stands on a reparations

bill that's this congress and wouldn't get back to us. david: she was flat-out saying she was in favorite of it with al sharpton, years ago in 2017, but flat-out. just like flat-out, she said. i'm for ending fracking. so, there was no equivocation there, and she has flipped 180. are voters going to buy the flip? >> that's all about pennsylvania. i don't think she could have kept that position on fracking and win pennsylvania. she still may lose pennsylvania, but that's where i think more questions, why do you change your positions? she was asked that in the cnn interview, but not pressed significantly. i think she's got to answer the questions more comprehensively. david: and the debate. they've gone back to the old cnn rules, shutting off the mic, i think in the end benefitted donald trump in his debate with biden. the less he talked, the more mistakes were made by biden and that led to his dismissal by

the democrat party. do you think that this is going to be difficult for kamala as trump will short of have a mute on when she's talking. >> and i think it's a good idea. this debate could get especially nasty. and think back to the first biden-trump debate in 2020 that's when trump really could have used the mute button because he was way too aggressive and that may have cost him the election. that was not good for him. david: and kamala again is going to have to come out with specifics because of one thing that donald trump can do, even if he's asked a question. he can sort of answer it by saying, well, kamala hasn't really been specific about economic policy, this or that or the other thing. if he interchanges the questions that are thrown at him with attacks on harris, he may be able to get a couple of points across, no? >> yeah, i agree.

i think that other than the moderators, trump has to be the journalist where he's pressing her on decisions, whether it's the economy or the botched withdrawal on afghanistan which trump has been talking a lot about recently. david: the big fear in the middle. people for trump are going to vote for trump and people against him, against him no matter what. the large swath in the middle, the independent voters who haven't completely made up their mind. they're wondering what happened with biden, he ran as a moderate centrist in 2020 and governed almost to the left of bernie sanders in some cases with the green new deal. if that happens with kamala harris far more to the left during her career was a senator than joe biden was and recently was announced that one of her advisors is going to be brought over from britain, this is again it hasn't been confirmed by her party, but suggested, to

do for her what he did for the current prime minister of the u.k., who is a laborite. he's governing very far to the left, but he campaigned as a centrist. so, might people be suspicious that the wool's trying to be pulled over their eyes? >> i think they will be. i think there are a number of democrats and independents who are just not going to vote for biden after the first debate performance. they'll be tuning in on tuesday night and listen, harvard harris polling, four out of five americans have decided who they're going to vote for. the one in five are going to decide and trump or harris would be wise for them. david: could this change for the candidates. >> this could change the whole thing. think of the debate late june for biden. think back. this could be a game changer. david: great to see you, bob, a lot of grist for your mill on

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>> so ahead of the big debate, vice-president kamala harris and former president donald trump laying out their big economic plans this week. donald trump wants to tackle big government and put elon musk in charge of a new commission that would cut back on government spending, get rid

of waste. he's vowing to slash energy prices in half by unleashing production and promises to wipe out a lot of the regulations that are hamstringing business. meanwhile, harris is pitching a $50,000 tax break for small businesses in addition to a boost in federal contracts for them. and she says she will slap a 28% capital gains tax going up to 33% with all the surcharges on top of earners. which pitch will rev up the court. and former obama official and should have been the mayor of new york city, don peebles. thanks for being here. the economic pitches aren't happening in a vacuum. the economy continues to roll on, but more slowly. we've got these discouraging jobs numbers on friday. they were 20,000 less than expected and these downward revisions were horrible. 86,000 less in june and july.

and manufacturing jobs were lost about 24,000 jobs in manufacturing. so which plan, now that you've seen the-- what it is of the kamala harris plans and what donald trump laid out on friday, which plan would be best in a slowdown of the economy? >> well, clearly, more spending and more taxes is not the solution. historically we've seen that when we increase spending at the national level and increase taxes to pay for it, it slowed the economy further and in many instances, brings us into recession. so i don't think that the plan of providing more incentives or more subsidies, if you will, at the expense of taxpayers and stymieing business growth. so i don't think that that will work. i think that the government, that the federal government is the most inefficient organization in the country. it need to be much more efficient and we need to spend the money that we take in, not more than what we take in. so, i think there's tremendous

opportunity to cut our costs to run our government by running it much more like a business. david: now, don, i don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like the answer to my question was, you think the trump plan would be better for this kind of economy? >> absolutely, i would. if we've learned anything, let's think about what's happened here, interest rates tripled, credit has tightened and we have people working at home. so it's devastated many of america's cities. so, these policies have served to strangle the economy and we're going to see more bad news. i think it's in the coming months. next month will be more bad news. the month after that more bad news and the fed is going to start reducing interest rates and i'm not sure they do it quick enough and then if we go into an environment next year where we have massive tax increases and, i mean, i don't think that that's going to do anything. and the subsidy of say, $50,000 credit to support small businesses, well, if they're not making any money, the

credit is meaningless and two, the credit will be eaten up by increased interest rates. david: milton friedman, the free market economist, two words that matter in economics, incentives matter. and a businessman like yourself and certainly donald trump who understands incentives, adapts policies or invents policies that will help incentives not discourage them. kamala harris has spent her entire life in politics, not in business. do you think that makes a difference in the way their policies have worked out? >> absolutely. i mean, look, you have to get the right people for the job. so we have an economic crisis in the country, you need someone who understands economics. if we have a military crisis we need people who understand the military. in this instance what we have here, the country is on its way into a recession if we don't stop the direction that we're going and we need to do it by providing incentives for businesses to create jobs. that is tax incentives to

create jobs, more jobs, so incremental increases and that they are covered by economic growth and we've got to make the government more efficient and the government wastes a tremendous amount of money and the only way to get the deficit under control which is one of the biggest drivers of interest rates is to cut spending, period. david: what do you think of elon musk as the commissioner to cut back on waste and fraud in government. >> well, i think, look, as a small business person who he started off with, building a small business into a large business, you have to be innovative and you have to be efficient. that's what business teaches us. as entrepreneurs and business leaders, we have to be efficient and get the most out of our money and we can't afford waste so i think that elon would do a great job. david: and i think he fired up to 90%, either 80 or 90%, i may get that figure wrong, twitter when he bought that company.

it seemed to work as well as it did when was called twitter. >> absolutely. and it attracted me and i started getting involved with x as well. david: i want to switch to the border, it's something else you don't get a clear idea of what kamala harris would do differently than what has been done in the past three and a half years when she's been vice-president. donald trump, of course, has a very different attitude about it, but it is causing tremendous damage, not just at the border now, but throughout the united states. of course, the horrible personal costs, but also the financial cost. new york city, your city alone is spending an extra $5 billion on shelter, security, food, and that could double according to some estimates to $10 billion to 2025. we're running out of money in new york city and chicago is running out of money and l.a. is running out of money and yet, they have these massive extra costs because of the migrants. what's going to happen to the

cities because of this? >> if this doesn't turn around, it will destroy the cities. los angeles is on its way to irreparable damage. i think that new york is struggling significantly. think about it, taking $5 billion away from new yorkers who work hard to make that city work, who work hard to pay taxes, take money away from safety, public education, recreational facilities and use it to house illegal migrants. it's absurd and what it's saying somehow this country cares more about people coming here illegally and breaking our laws than in the country. i think that's going to have a devastating impact on the election, if you look, people are fleeing new york, they're fleeing los angeles, they're fleeing chicago and going to places like florida, nashville, tennessee, texas, where there's a much more conservative approach to governing. david: there are two things

that make it particularly difficult in a place like chicago or new york. one is the sanctionry city rule and means that police can't cooperate with ice to get rid of the people like from the venezuelan gangs. and the right to shelter law in new york city and other cities as well, you're forced by the dictate of the rules of the city to give everything you can in terms of food, shelter, health care, education, et cetera and that's adding onto the costs. do both of those things have to change and if so, how do you do it? because now you have the city councils that are embedded much stronger than mayors in most of the cities. >> well, i mean, look the application of these right to shelter laws needs to be examined more carefully. i think mayor adams has tried to do that and he's gotten headwinds and resistance from the federal government. for example, the right to shelter applies to new york

city residents or new york state residents who lose their home. then they have a right to shelter. it's not for people coming into the city from other parts of the country and it's certainly not for people who come into this country illegally. so, we need to take another look at that. but ultimately, it's the policies. the governments in these cities have moved very sharply left. the city council of new york has gone sharply left. the city council in los angeles is essentially a socialist body, and so until that changes -- and that won't change until the citizens lose their tolerance, but they are quickly losing their tolerance. you look at los angeles. david: well, maybe a mayor peebles could change things, no? >> well, look, a business person could change things. i don't think it's in the cards right now for me, i'm having a lot of excitement and challenges to continue to build the business that we've got and i'm rooting for business people to get more involved in government and i like that.

david: don, great to see you. thanks for coming in on saturday. appreciate you being here. >> thank you for having me. david: of course. coming up, protests breaking out in israel as pressure is building on prime minister benjamin netanyahu to reach a cease-fire agreement. we'll have the latest where these negotiations stand right now. ght line, we deliver them this way. this way uses technology and goes the extra mile to do things the right way. the delivering promises on time, every time, way. lowe's knows it's easier to make the right calls when you have the right team. mccaffrey with a tough call. you can't go wrong. this is a big call christian. big call, biggest call of your life. wood or tile finish. which one you gonna do?

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>> israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu facing mounting pressure here and over

there to strike a cease-fire deal in the wake of the executions of six hostages at the hands of hamas. to jeff paul in tel aviv with the very latest. jeff. >> yeah, david, despite calls from both egypt and hamas to remove trips from the corridor in gaza, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is remaining defiant. he wants to keep troops in the area that separates gaza and he wants to keep weapons getting in, but in the way of both sides for a cease-fire agreement. as more time goes on without an agreement between israel and hamas, frustration and anger is only growing among those who call israel home. that's a big part of the reason we're seeing so many people out in the street protesting in the wake of the six hostages who were killed in hamas captivity, including american-israeli hersh goldberg-polin. they're trying to push israel

andnet to make a deal before more hostages are killed. and they say not one single issue like the corridor is standing in the way. he believes it's on hamas. >> hamas is not there with the deal, it's not in the making. it's not close? >> they want to constitute their terror kingdom and unfortunately, it's not close, but we'll do everything we can to get them to the point where they do make a deal. >> now, meanwhile, in the west bank, an american-turkish woman was killed while protesting the expansion of israeli there. and israel side the details surrounding the circumstances is under review. and u.s. secretary of state antony blinken is calling her death a tragic vost. david: it should be mentioned that israel did agree to a cease-fire deal that hamas

walked away from. so there has been a history of netanyahu government agreement to something. with regard to the protests in the streets in israel, how much of what we see is reflected in the polls? is that a fair representation of what most israelis want? >> i think most israelis agree they want to get the hostages home. how they do that, that part could be debated. there are some people who think that -- as israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu pointed out, the only way to do this is to destroy hamas. if they get the hostages without doing that, they could have a quote, another october 7th. others say that getting those lives back, that's the most important thing and some of the hostage families we've talked to, they really only have one thing on their mind. they do not want to see more hostages being found dead. they do not want to see anymore death and at this point they'll pretty much agree to anything

to get those who are still alive back home to where they belong, david. david: jeff paul reporting from tel aviv. thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, trump and harris pitching their economic plans. why young voters may be listening the most. and house republicans outlining their plan to keep the government running while requiring i.d. for anyone voting. details straight ahead. yoow, you only get one body. it might be the perfect size to do this. your body may take up a lot of space. or have to speak with its hands. but no matter what body you're born with, you only get one. let's fight like hell for it. (♪)

>> house republicans outlining their plan to keep the government running while requiring i.d. for anyone voting. to lucas tomlinson on the white house with the debate that's getting real hot, right, lucas? >> that's right, david. good morning. with the return of autumn, that means the return of football and the return of congress to washington and already some members of congress are trickling in, including some republicans. one lawmaker spoke to our own chad per pursue

and when was four or five votes, is it possible we could get the votes on the democrat side this time, yes. we will rae have to see where the house republicans are. >> for our viewers aren't familiar, if passed, the save act, in order to vote they have to proof citizenship. you can't drive or fly without an i.d., why voting would be different. and some say the save act is not necessary. >> it's a solution looking for a problem. there is no evidence that undocumented migrants vote. it's hard enough to get citizens to vote. we see the number of

participation in elections, not the level we would like, you know, typically and the problem doesn't exist and it's, you know, just creating, you know, a new system and requirements that there doesn't seem to be any necessity. >> this time of year, not just the return of football, but also congress likely passing a stop gap measure until after the election. of course, the days of passing 12 separate appropriations bills are long gone, david, and of course, many republicans, including speaker mike johnson doesn't want to pass one of the massive omnibus bills to drop on lawmakers' tables with two hours to read thousands of pages. david: and i have to straighten out mark kelly, texas took illegal migrants off their polls and there is evidence

that that happens. maybe not more than that, but it's significant. and 81% of americans, according to a pew poll, and gallop says the same thing, only 2.2% of democrats in the house voted for voter i.d. in the save act. isn't that a problem for democrats in november? >> well, certainly appears the democrats are on the wrong side of things. of course, most americans understand that i.d.'s are required for a number of functions, not just flying, but many think voting as well and elon musk and others have long contended that democrats want to get more illegal aliens into the country, into the blue states, into the blue cities because they want to change the census and perhaps get more congressional seats in the future and states like illinois lost seats. david: i understand you were fascinated by a football game in brazil. >> the packers played the eagles, and the first time nfl

has played in brazil. and one got in trouble, the player, and spoke out. and many complained it was on peacock and it was hard to find. david: and wondering how the mlb could not go to atlanta because of dust-up about a law there. that country is having a lot of problem with censorship and a lot of people are wondering whether it was the right place to go. >> that's right. david: we have to go speaking of-- >> ask elon musk. david: and lucas, good to see you. forget the young and the restless, try the young and cashless. why ahead of the presidential debate trump and harris may want to focus on the struggle hitting gen z smack in the face.

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>> well, ahead of tuesday's big debate. we're digging into the financial struggles plaguing a big number of young americans. a recent survey finding 31% of gen z voters underage 30 are worried about the housing squeeze. derrick, thank you for being here. i appreciate it. nice outfit. i like the shirt, you've got

everything going there. it's almost too much at any rate, i digress. >> thank you, david. david: let's start with housing, part of the american dream. the price of owning a home and not the price of the houses, but the monthly costs have doubled in just three years. it went from about a thousand bucks a month to $2,000 a month and here the prices are the houses of sky high. has that become a impossible dream? >> well, it's become a crushing dream for people and here is what i found shocking. we finally have political unity around a topic, young republicans, young democrats, young independents saying their number one financial concern is the cost of living and inflation, and because that's a unifying issue, it is crushing this generation. we see 84% of people believe their parents' generation had it significantly better than they will probably never ever be able to afford a home and

that's flat dead wrong and it's just not right for this generation to have to be forced to believe that right now. david: you know, derrick, i remember the late '70s. i was just getting into the working market myself, coming out of college, but there was that same kind of depression. i mean, back then, of course, the interest rates were double digits, close to 20%. so if you got a 14% on your 30-year, were you doing great. so these things can turn around. reagan came in, he tackled inflation, the fed tackled it with him. they brought it down and interest rates came down and we had morning in america. and these things turn around more quickly than they realize. >> i did some research and i found fascinating and i went under chat gpt under which president, biden or trump was the inflation and cost of

living lower, and chat came back under trump cost of living and inflation lower. according to another poll, one half of all gen z plan to vote for kamala harris, a third plan to vote for trump. so basically we've got a communication and a relatability problem. the very people say that they're struggling with this issue, plan to vote for person whose policies resulted in a higher cost of living and inflation. so, we need to see how the president and kamala both will come up with what's a strategy to relate to this generation, which could actually be the one to tip this election one for the other. david: derrick, we only have about 30 seconds left. another part of the american dream is owning your own business. it used to be such a powerful driver of economic policy in this country. do these younger folks have that dream or is that also passe? >> well, they do have this

dream, but there's a large level of distrust. they believe, look, if i can't afford a home, a basic american dream that i've been sold i want to have and need, what hope do i have to start to business and this is where the school system did this generation dirty. we have the lowest financial literacy of any generation at gen z and colleges are sending parents on, send your kids to college, you'll have a job for life. they're stuck in a desk and a cubical that leaves them feeling dissatisfied and those people probably don't want to launch a business now. david: derrick kinney. thank you so much. things can turn around quickly though and you've got to remember that. thanks to everyone at home for watching we appreciate you sticking with fox. stick with us for the latest breaking news. fox news live with griff jenkins and alicia acuna is next. stay with us. linda asistencia.

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