>> sandra: as we continue to remember on this day, 9/11, 23 years later. we are looking at shanks hill pennsylvania where

former president donald trump is meeting with folks on the ground, a wreath laying ceremony, meeting with victims families. as i said a moment ago, these families come on and talk about how important this is for the communities together, for the victims families to come together, and for the leaders of this nation to acknowledge that this is there every day. this is every day. as brett, who lost his father at the age of 15, told us last hour, it is so fresh, and they do not feel like justice has been served. >> john: no. president trump there in the field in shanksville that marks the spot where flight 93 impacted. 44 people on board that fateful day. an amazing museum there, as well, part of the memorial operated by the national park service. and on the glass partition, on the deck that sits off of the museum, it is inscribed with "a

common field one day, field of honor forever and so it shall be." let's bring in keith kellogg. when you consider the hell that 19 people who made it into this country did come though it's a potential for the future with so many millions coming into this country in the last few years, many of whom have not been properly vetted, as we discover after they commit crimes? >> you are absolutely right. the lines are blinking red. the potential something like this happening again is there. i was at the pentagon on 9/11 three years ago in the command center and i watched 93 go down. meaning, what people don't realize is at the time, but before that, vice president cheney had said to our speaker box that we were weapons free over washington, d.c. most americans don't know what that means. when we were told we were weapons free over washington, d.c., that meant we

had the authority to shoot down anything that was flying including commercial airliners. that would have meant potentially flight 93. i think with those americans on board the aircraft, it was so heroic. but we need to be very concerned about what is happening now with our southern border and those people coming across, how many are coming across that are illegal. we don't know. undocumented, coming from unprotected states. we talked earlier about the special-interest aliens coming in from countries like tajikistan. that never atomic number last year was over 74,000. i think the potential is out there and we had to be very aware of it. if you just imagine the few number of terrorists, would a determination the things we had to go through subsequent to that, i think it is a big concern and we need to be concerned about it. i think the potential for it happening again is very real. our adversaries see it, they know that they can push through what i would call advanced parties that come through and put them into sleeper cells. it's been done before.

it's not unusual. i think we have to be ready for it. >> sandra: general, it is sandra, as we look at these live pictures of former president trump on the ground inching still pennsylvania in shanksville, pennsylvania. the feeling of you who joined us, he is part of more than 3,3,000 family numbers of victis who they a making noise and demanding that both former president donald trump and vice president harris oppose any middle east peace deal with saudi arabia unless the kingdom acknowledges and is held accountable for its involvement in the attack it. i just want to get your thoughts on that, in general. >> sandra, obviously it's what we call a political issue, but he also made it very clear distinction about the saudi arabia country that we know as of today and all the reform measures that have been taken by the crown prince who

will follow the king when he passes away. but i think everybody has to acknowledge what actually happened, where those people were trained and where they came from. i think it is appropriate. of course we need to recognize that. we should recognize who the bad people were, how it happened, how they got here, and everything subsequent to it. i'm a big believer in accountability and responsibility, and i think that's a fair comment to make. let's bring closure to them. it is not today, it's what happened yesterday. at least acknowledge that. >> john: in terms of flight 93 and where it was going, it is believed that it was probably destined for the capitol building. we heard earlier today on the visual timeline that ran on fox, on "fox & friends," we heard the moments the terrorists broke into the cockpit and the pilots were wrestling with them to try to get them out. they barricaded themselves in the cockpit. it was todd beamer and a group of other passengers who decided they were going to rush the cockpit and try to take back

control of the plane. it was believed, i have heard, at that point, they taught me they could get back control of the plane and perhaps have the air traffic controllers talk them through hopefully would have been a safe landing. but, as we know, the plane went down but it should be pointed out that fighter jets at that point had picked up on flight 93 and were prepared to take it out of the sky it looks like it was going to threaten washington. >> that's what i meant about the comment, being weapons free. we were told we were allowed to shoot or knock down anything that was coming. here's what is amazing, the aircraft initially lifted off out of andrews air force base and they did not have any weapons, and the pilots with their f-16s were going to ram an aircraft that was coming in. we had alerted the first fighter wing down at langley air force base, the time distance factor, candidly we would have not been able to pick up 93. remember, i was in the command center. we would not have been able to

pick them up. the army jets would not have been able to intercept it. we do know, subsequently, it was in fact the capitol building they were heading to. there were documents he got out of afghanistan that said they were going to the white house. everybody seemed it was the white house. but the pictures we got, and the diagrams we got, they were not the white house. it was the white capitol building. that was the target we know subsequently, through intelligence, they were in fact heading to. and god bless those americans on board that aircraft that went down in shanksville. because if that aircraft had gotten through, the capitol building probably would have been gone. another thing that happened, that aircraft was a delayed taktakeoff. if it had taken off at the same time, the capitol building would have been gone. they wouldn't have had the alert and we wouldn't be able to alert our fighters being able to intercept. it was one of those days to watch what was happening and see it going on.

it was absolutely amazing. i've got to make an aside. at the very same time this is going on, a major nuclear exercise going on, and secretary rumsfeld called the russians and said, we are leveling up our defense condition, taking it up one notch. and within minutes you saw all the russian systems starting to come down. because we do have an ability to watch a lot of things that happen overseas. they were sending a very clear message. we don't know who it is, either, but it's not us. we were able to focus on what was happening. and there was other aircraft coming in. at that time squawking hijacked. we didn't know what we were really facing at the time, and back in those days if you squawked high jack it was hard to unsquawk. so we were trying to figure out what was coming and what was happening. but in that command center that morning it was absolutely fascinating. i was proud of everything going on. the chairman of the joint chiefs was halfway across the atlantic, so derek myers was there and i

was there, the vice chairman of the joint chiefs was there and then secretary rumsfeld, and eventually we went up to the command post. for nuclear connectivity, because we were concerned the building was going to be lost, the pentagon, with all the fires raging on the roof, that the satellite community actions are going to go down. it was interesting to watch it with a focus at the time was on 93. it had turned, we watched make the turn, and the question was, what do we do with it? then it went down. >> sandra: let's listen here for a moment. former president donald trump continues to visit with victims' families, folks on the ground in shanksville, pennsylvania, after laying the wreath and touring the memorial there. general, such an important moment for americans to see every single year since that day. we know that he's on the ground

with some greatly affected by this. general, to your point, about everything you just described, let's see if we can hear the former president. trying to gather what we can there. he's not wearing a microphone but sometimes we can pick up some of the audio there. to your point, there is so much that we learn from that day as a country. >> yeah, we really did. part of it is the american way of heroes. there is a picture i remember from 9/11 that to this day stuns me. i will never forget the picture of the firemen going up in one of the towers as it was burning. and everybody else was going down. i thought to myself -- >> sandra: hmm.

>> john: we seem to have lost the general there. that is unfortunate and unusual, as well. he was mentioning the firemen going up into the world trade center as everybody else was coming down. and of course we know about frank's brother who ran through the tunnel with 60 pounds of gear to get to the world trade center. and the general mentioned the f-16s that went up and intercepted flight 93 were not armed. i don't know if you've ever seen it before, but a great interview with heather penny, first lieutenant, and the pilots of those two f-16s. they talked about how they were prepared to sacrifice themselves to try to save whoever might have been in the path of that aircraft. so from the people inside flight 93 and the people inside the world trade center, to the pilots of the f-16s who were prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice to save people on the ground in their country, there are so many heroes on this day that need to be paid tribute to.

>> sandra: so many heroes in so many stories. today we remember. >> the thing came up other than what they talked about, which was pretty overwhelmingly in override on anything. it wasn't specific. >> i feel kamala could deflected the entire time. it's because she parried away questions she had no interest in dealing with, and trump wasn't disciplined enough to drill down on specific points. >> sandra: jabs, deflections, but how much substance? voters say last night's debate wasn't enough to move the needle either way. the economy still the defined issue. likely voters say it is the top deciding factor in their vote, according to "the new york times" siena poll. our panel are here, they will join us in moments. first, let's get to madison alworth live in new york city with us to set this up. >> only 13 minutes of last nights debate was spent on the economy. it is the top issue for voters heading into the election, but we didn't get many details. when vice president harris was

asked if she felt americans are better off today than they were four years ago, this is what we got. >> i believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the american people, and that is why i imagine and have actually a plan to build what i call an opportunity economy. >> she wasn't pushed on the specifics of what that entails or what her plan would be. instead the vice president took aim at trump saying he would raise taxes. his response? >> i'm an open book. everybody knows what i'm going to do. cut taxes substantially and create a great economy like i did before. we had the greatest economy. we got hit with a pandemic. she doesn't have a plan. she copied biden's plan, and it is like four sentences. like "run, spot, run." >> much more of the 90-minute debate was focused on issues like the war in ukraine, abortion, and january 6th. there really wasn't anything

about the energy policies of the candidates. the moderators failing to ask harris about energy positions she supports, like the forest transition to electric vehicles, something former president donald trump asserted has led to the decrease of manufacturing jobs here in the u.s. >> let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month. they are all leaving. they are building big auto plants in mexico. in many cases, owned by china. >> the u.s. lost 24,000 manufacturing jobs last month, and has lost an average of 11,000 manufacturing jobs per month over the last three months. a lot of americans were hoping to hear how both candidates would make their lives financially better, and we didn't get many answers last night. sandra? >> sandra: we relived that moment. thank you. let's bring in our panel now. steve moore is a senior trump economic advisor, and dan

greenhouse, and asset management strategist. >> how many minutes was it on the economy? >> sandra: the opening question, let's start there. play it. >> do you believe americans are better off than they were four years ago? >> i was raised as a middle-class kid, and i am actually the only person on the stage who has a plan about lifting up the middle class and working people of america. >> sandra: i think it's fair, the criticism that what we saw after that was a moderator stepping in when someone didn't answer question. mostly donald trump. they held them to it. they did not hold her to that. so we never heard how she answered that. but what a layup for a trump after that. he really just responded to her rather than layout the position for people living through an inflation crisis. >> i've got to give an a+ to kamala harris for deflecting almost every question. the question was if americans are better off after the last four years. she never answered the question. and the reason she didn't --

the reason she didn't is because americans aren't better off, they are worse off. trump should have said, because we just got the census bureau report that came out yesterday, the average family has lost income over the last five years. that is to say they are poor. two other quick observations, i think the two major financial issues for this country tied to the economy are, number one, $35 trillion national debt. do you recall that coming up is an issue? i don't. the second is the massive tax increase which she never was asked about, which i think would be catastrophic to the economy. >> sandra: the thing is, when you are listening from the economic perspective, there were so many families at home living through this listening for, what are you going to do for me? her vision for the economy, is an opportunity economy. there was an opportunity for donald trump to say this is your economy. i didn't hear him out of the gate make that -- >> it was one of his best lines. he was saying, you're saying all these things are going to do,

why haven't you done it? >> sandra: i got it, but she laid out a laundry list of spending, and that is what got us to be inflation crisis to begin with. was that not a layup for the other side to say you're just going to drive prices higher? >> i will leave the political analysis to steve. >> sandra: that is an economic observation. >> clearly president -- former president trump could have done a better job of countering the various proposals that vice president harris suggested. but just to get back to steve's point about people not being better off, we talked about this on the show numerous times. the main concern when people say the economy or inflation, they are talking about the price of food and groceries at the supermarket being 20-30% higher than they were a couple years ago. that issue has not gone away and not enough was discussed last night in my opinion about the strain that has put on households. >> sandra: and i didn't hear a vision of how we put those prices down or an acknowledgment of what got us there. but that sounds pretty good out of the gate.

kamala harris offered to get people into houses by giving the money. >> real quick, on that front, we have a housing shortage in this country that's been building for 10-15 years. what you want to do is stimulate supply, not stimulate demand. giving people additional money for a down payment for a supply-constrained market -- >> sandra: see? that's not political, that's economic. she is suggesting she's going to be giving out, if she is president, three things and giving people money to get into these houses, which will only push prices higher. that will become obsolete. >> think about this, she offered free health care, medicare for all, she wants free day care, free college. she wants free housing. they going to pay the down payment. where is all this money going to come from? we already have a $35 trillion deficit. >> sandra: i think it is tough because he's had a lot of economists come out that are even considered conservative economists who have said that going to lead to more inflation. >> i'm not a big fan of the

tariffs, but they are so bad, why didn't he take them off? >> whatever traditional economic orthodoxy things about tariffs, the inflation rate was meaningfully lower under the trump demonstration then under the biden and administration. so another rebuttal would have been -- >> that's where i think you missed so many opportunities pretty should have contrasted his record raises their record. >> sandra: and wonder who is advising him. [laughter] >> we are going to do a better job. >> sandra: just joking with you. always good have you both. thanks, dan, as well. >> yes, i will say i could have been better. i could have let down my window in that instant. >> john: miami dolphins wide receiver tyreek hill speaking out following his detention just before the miami season opener on sunday. what he wants to happen with the officers involved. >> sandra: plus the moderators of last nights debate are coming under fire for the way they treated former president donald trump. charlie hurt has a lot to say about that.

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>> they also didn't push her on her flip-flops. they asked one question about flip-flops, and her change her position -- they didn't call them that, they just said changing positions. she said, i'll address each one of them, then she gave words out about how she loves the middle class and wants to help the middle class, and they just moved on to trump. >> sandra: a lot of critics today are calling out the moderators of last nights debate for one-sided fact-checking. our tally at fox news found a fact-checked former president trump five times and vice president harris zero. not once. fox team coverage, charlie hurt standing by. first let's get to media buzz host howie kurtz in washington for us. how do you grade abc on this debate?

>> sandra, abc gets a d-, and that's being generous. the network moderators were so blatantly biased against donald trump that it vindicated his criticism of abc is dishonest. putting aside kamala harris' aggressive performance, they asked much tougher questions of the former president, repeatedly followed up, and corrected his responses on, as you said, five occasions. for the vice president, this figure was zilch. while harris was asked about abandoning her previous left-wing positions on fracking -- he originally said she opposed -- and abolishing private health insurance, she danced around those questions or said things that were untrue with no fact-checking at all by abc. the same goes with the vp's out of context charge that trump had warned of a bloodbath if he loses. when harris said things that were false, such is that trump is actively pursuing the heritage foundation's project 2025, which he has repeatedly

disavowed, there was no challenge by abc. >> what's been happening under donald trump's abortion bans, couples who pray and dream of having a family are being denied ivf treatments. >> trump has been a leading advocate, but they were currently pressed on whether he rejects anything he did on january 6th, or whether he wants ukraine to win the war against russia. when he said crime was rising, president trump, as you know, the fbi says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country. there were times when fact-checking was appropriate, such as when trump repeated a debunked claim that haitian immigrants in ohio were eating pets, but it generally was one-sided. so one-sided as to support trump's complaint the debate was three against one. see two howie kurtz, thank you.

john? >> john: sandra, let's bring in charlie hurt, fox news contributor and "washington times" opinion editor. just at the 30,000-foot level, what did you think of the de debate? >> obviously she did better than a lot of people expected, but i think those of us who have watched debate prep over the years kind of expected that she would probably do a lot better. i would argue that probably it doesn't change much in terms of the trajectory of the race. i think she has more to prove in these debates. everybody knows donald trump and where he stands on things. the problem with her and she's got 30% of the american population who say they don't know enough about her, so she has to explain her positions and explain some of the changes of her positions, and i don't think you necessarily did that. so i think the trajectory continues, and what i would argue is probably ultimately not a good direction. >> john: in terms of whether or not it was the needle, doug schoen wrote on foxnews.com, "although harris clearly won the debate, in my estimation, it isn't at all

clear that this debate just 56 days before the election will fundamentally impact the outcome on november 5th." the way i saw it, if she fumbled around and engaged in a bunch of word salad and non sequiturs and things like that, it could have really hurt her. so there was big down side, very little upside. >> and she did not hurt herself in that department. she maintained her arguments. but, again, i still think it is still incumbent upon her as a candidate to make the case for why, if people -- for example, the polls showing people are looking for change, if they want change, why they are going to reelect the sitting vice president who is carrying out the policies of the sitting president as opposed to somebody who is a clear outsider and is reviled, especially within the system among people like abc moderators, because he is such a shock to the system.

>> john: so it would seem the majority of the american public agrees with you, because he is with "the new york times" siena poll found. who represents change, trump 53%, kamala harris 25%. as much as she likes to go out and say, i'm the agent of change, i'm going to turn the page on my own administration, i think people have got the number and they are saying you're not the one. >> and look at the people who came out, dick cheney is now supporting kamala harris. >> john: after they called him darth vader! they are welcoming dick cheney into the fold. >> remember him dressed up in prison garb during the '04 election? the bottom line is the reason he is supporting somebody like her is because he is worried about the change that a guy like donald trump has brought. not only to the republican party but also to politics at large. and i think the trump campaign needs to do a good job of pointing at that exact number. that 53% versus 25% of those who watch. >> john: and anybody who saw

"return of the jedi" knows that he had a changing heart after luke skywalker cut him into pieces. i guess it was after the emperor nearly killed him. somebody said darth vader becomes luke skywalker. which i thought was interesting. >> something like that. >> john: i will let you ponder that. sandra? >> sandra: never forget. it's been 23 years since the september 11th attacks. how our leaders are honoring our heroes today. brian kilmeade is on deck, just ahead. >> 23 years is far too longed for anybody to wait for justice for the loss of their loved ones. this is important not only for us but for americans.

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>> [inaudible] each flag, there's a motorcycle group that comes in beforehand and they drive in and they do -- [inaudible] on a good sunny day. and makes it look a lot nicer. that's our neighbor. >> [inaudible] >> each year, the families come down and spend the day with the

firemen. these people inside. >> press, you are going to follow me this way. >> sandra: it is sad, said the former president, as he met with fire department officials. i believe he is arriving to the sound of a crowd cheering. shanksville, pennsylvania. he is a with victims' families and remembering this day 23 years ago. brian kilmeade is here, cohost of "fox & friends," and i believe that was the fire chief with whom he was speaking. year after year we see this. current president joe biden also speaking with him. the shanksville volunteer fire

department. what a tough day. every single year, brian. >> flight 93, i was there three years ago. 23 years since the attack, pretty amazing with a set up in the middle of nowhere. also, how close the grammar school is. they could have hit there. but those americans who took over, led by jeremy glick, that took over that plane and brought it down in the middle of the field, they actually reconstructed the flight path, the runways. it looks like it is a deliberate sidewalk. and you can see the impact zone and the ball is there for the families. on days like this they get exclusive access. so you don't have to convince any new yorker, especially one synonymous with new york until recently, donald trump, about the significance of the day. it took them a couple days just to get down there and he was hosting "the apprentice" back then. i remember him feeling definitive of how he had to answer back. and that brings it full-circle to afghanistan, one of the top stories of this week, along with the debate. because you have the pullout,

the biggest debacle in american military history. >> sandra: our team says it's pretty difficult to make it what he is saying. he's not wearing a microphone, but you can tell he is addressing the folks in the firehouse there. to your point on afghanistan, to the debate last night, this was a bit of what we heard from vice president kamala harris on that. >> i agree with president biden's decision to pull out of afghanistan. four president said they would, and joe biden did. as a result, america's taxpayers are not paying the $300 million a day we were paying for that endless war, and as of today there is not one member of the united states military who is an active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world. the first time this century. >> sandra: what do you think

of that moment? >> i have so much to say about that moment. number one, we had like three aircraft carriers in the persian gulf. i think our ships are being shot at regularly by the houthi rebels. i'm pretty sure they are in harm's way. the plot was so detrimental, we can't put into words praline historians to step in. she was in that room and she is proud that he was the one to pull out, but the way we pulled out allowed us as a country to be more vulnerable than ever before, because the taliban has taken over. if anyone cares about women's rights, which seem to be of interest to her, not only are women out allowed to have jobs, or show their faces, nothing allowed to talk. we are paying a ridiculous amount of money on a weekly basis and we are also left $7 billion worth of equipment and $56 million worth of hard cash sitting there. in the big picture we are less safe now because afghanistan is a university for isis-k and al qaeda and the taliban.

>> sandra: and want to go back to this live shot of the former president there in shanksville at this firehouse as he is shaking hands, and families of victims are also included in this moment and this day. a pat on the back there, the former president. just last hour, brett eagleson, 15 years old when his dad died in one of the towers here in new york. he says what he wants to hear from u.s. leaders. i want to play this and get your reaction. >> we are angry. we have been upset for 23 years. we have told their stories for 23 years. the families stand for these candidates today absolutely incensed. we are sick and tired of hearing "never forget," but behind closed doors, nobody does anything. we deserve candidates and a president who is going to stand up for us, who's going to take our side, put america first.

we really need a true leader to stand up, take our side, and make saudi arabia admit the fault for what it did 25 years ago. >> sandra: a passionate plea for justice, brian. >> there's elements of the family that were behind it. there's also belief that al qaeda was working with bin laden, because bin laden had stopped over at one point to go to afghanistan. was there some type of collaboration that way? so i have not done a lot of research into the saudi royal family's role in this, but i know exactly who al qaeda is and who isis is, and i knew for the longest time we had the foot on their throat and now it is 100% off. you combine that with the terrible border policy that has let 8 million people in, and you wonder, some of them from tajikistan. known more for terror and vacation opportunity.

i wonder about how that perfect storm could be ready to come down again. >> sandra: and the former president still meeting with people there in shanksville p.a. he said he really appreciates this. >> they always talk about how joe biden went through personal turmoil and nobody is happy about that, but if someone thrives in these type of traumatic situations, it's him. i've witnessed it in massapequa, on long island where the police officer was shot, jonathan dilley. he would miss it on a daily basis when he goes to these firehouses in new york city and meets at the families who have been killed by illegal immigrants in this country on a regular basis. he doesn't announce it. next thing you know they are at mar-a-lago and you find out a week later that he just came to spend a whole day with them and says, why don't you have dinner here, why don't you go off here, why don't you let the kids run around here? he does it because he feels as though he appreciate their patriotism and their sacrifice. this is one of the hardest

things i think a leader can do. i think it is so much easier to be tough and stern than it is to show vulnerability and kindness and empathy. and he's got the skill set. you never going see that in "the new york times" or hear about that on other channels, that he has it. >> sandra: good to have you here today. thank you very much. we will continue to monitor these c4 pictures out of shanksville, pennsylvania. former president donald trump still on the ground there. john? >> john: no going way across the country to massive wildfires now exploding across southern california. our senior national correspondent william la jeunesse is about an hour northeast of los angeles as the flames threatened thousands of homes. what is the outlook right now, william? >> the outlook is awesome. we have support, bulldozers putting those containment lines, and crews from around the west basically with pumper trucks and engines protecting homes and businesses. three fires, four counties, all within 50 miles of los angeles.

this fire slipped through last night driven by steep terrain, several days of triple-digit heat, gusty winds, and thick fuel load. grasses and scrub after two years of heavy rains, 0% contained and still very active when he arrived this morning. this is 1 of 3 major fires burning in southern california. this will northeast of los angeles where about 5,000 feet, almost 50,000 acres including several structures belonging to a ski resort. fire surrounded the mountain high ski resort. flames hit the top of the chairlift. downslope they saved the lodge and the community itself looks like a ghost town. >> and never seen one this close. as you can see, it is getting pretty close. that fire was a scare for us but this one is a little scarier. >> as the fire moves along it drops into the community were

dozens of fire engines staffed with literally hundreds of firefighters are engaging that fire to do their best to protect as many homes as possible. >> this map shows you what is burning layer. in total, about 150 square miles, mostly in the mountains surrounding l.a. the san gabriels in the north where i am, san bernardino in the east, and the santa ana mountains in the south. now you see a time-lapse video capturing the fire yesterday. that is 0% contained, that is in orange and riverside counties. 23,000 acres burned, started by a road crew that was moving boulders on the highway. two residents injured with burns. east of here is the line fire, about 18% contained. it was stopped near the mountain communities of running springs and big bearyesterday. deputies arrested a 34-year-old fedex driver who was caught by e

reader. he's being held on $80,000 bail. his name is justin. basically, the bottom line is this -- air quality is really bad, but the good news is we have moisture coming in from the ocean now, and onshore breeze. temperatures dropping about 10 degrees or more, but the moisture is going to allow them to get a handle on these three fires. back to you. >> john: thank goodness, because the landscape behind it looks like the upside down from "stranger things." thank you, appreciate it. public safety coming up at last nights debate. the former president saying crime is "through the roof" in the u.s. and the surge of illegal immigrants is the big reason why. the topic also the focus of a house hearing today where one witnessed detailed her injuries after an illegal migrant attacked her. >> i was robbed and my skull was fractured in two places. about a dozen staples in the back of my head, nearly lost my

hearing in my left ear. the guy that did it was a convicted felon illegal immigrant that should've been in jail. we already have enough criminals in this country, and we really do little to keep them from committing more crimes. >> j >> john: juan williams is seen a fox news political analyst. david avella is the chair of gopac. crime was a big topic during the debate last night but also one in which one of the moderators chose to jump in and correct the president when he was talking about it. listen to this exchange. >> crime in this country is through the roof, and we have a new form of crime called migrant crime. it is happening at levels that nobody thought possible. >> president trump, as you know the fbi says overall violent crime is actually coming down to this country. >> excuse me, they were defrauding statements. they didn't include the worst cities or the cities with the worst crime. it was a fraud. >> john: two points here, juan.

david muir mentioned private crime. there's more to crime then just violent crime. secondly, the statistics were a quarterly report, not an annual report. the quarterly report is not as accurate as the annual report and a lot of big cities didn't include their crime data in the quarterly report. >> that's all true. i really don't want to argue about the data, but i will say there's been no change in the way the fbi and the others collect their data since president trump was in office. and what it shows generally is a decrease, and politifact before the debate but earlier in september said this claim about skyrocketing crime is false. but i think the big picture, if we zoom out a little bit, john, the big picture here is that there are stories of illegal immigrants committing horrible crimes, as we just heard on the tape you played. but i think there is no disputing that more crime is committed by native-born americans and by the immigrants. so i think what we have here is the former president, in the

midst of this campaign, appealing to fears. he says the country is going to hell, approaching world war iii, newcomers are mental patients and terrorists and criminals. he says the haitians are eating your pets in ohio. i think he is pitching fear and loathing. >> john: but when it comes to crime, this dial test tells the story. take a look at where the lines go. red is republican, blue's democrat, yellow is independent, when the president is talking about that. >> crime here is a been through the roof. despite their fraudulent statements they made, crime in this country is through the roof, and we have a new form of crime called migrant crime. it is happening at levels nobody thought possible. >> john: when you take a look at those lines, the independents are right there with republicans and democrats don't get down very much. clearly this is an issue that has a lot of impact and interest among voters. >> it is a very important issue. let's keep in mind, if you're a victim of crime, crime is up

100% to you and it doesn't matter whether it was done by a migrant or whether it was done by an american. crime going up is a serious concern amongst voters. you have now 40% of voters who say they are more concerned about going out at night close to their home. that is a 30-year high. what you can argue that is the ffbi data. our prosecuting attorneys going after crimes are not connected doesn't matter when it comes to the election. people feel crime is on the rise and they see it as they watch the news every day. that has the biggest impact, not the fear that juan suggests donald trump is pedaling. it's that americans believe that and see that. >> john: we heard that yesterday on capitol hill. alexis nungaray's daughter was killed by illegal migrants. listen to what she said when she testified. >> her hands and ankles were tied and she was thrown under the bridge like she was nothing

but garbage. >> john: how do you approach that? >> i think with empathy, and you have to express concern. if that was my family member, you are family member, we would be in shock and horror. the thing is, how do you understand the disconnect between the fact that crime overall -- violent crime. i think everybody can agree, the first quarter of this year and certainly since trump was elected, it is down. but people have this anxiety. i think what you're seeing is that politicians pick up on it and they are exploiting it for political purposes. to me, if you want to say here's what we can do as americans to do a better job of protecting our streets, let's look at it. in my neighborhood, i would say, what about these people who steal cars? that is an issue for me. but the violent crime, it's just like americans have high anxiety that is not justified here.

>> john: on this point of victims being used as political pawns for political purposes, veronica escobar brought that up at yesterday's hearing. listen to the pushback she got from the victims of violent crime. listen here. >> it is insulting you would say that to these families, that you would make an assumption that they are being used to exploit in any way. not one time, when her daughter was murdered and i was helping her navigate the criminal justice system, did one democrat commie to offer their assistance. it was only republicans. i am an independent. i vote both ways. so it is insulting. please don't speak over me, because i'm still talking. i'm not done. i have the mic. i have the floor. if you want to answer me, you ask. >> john: she was pretty hot there. >> she was. the effectiveness of that, do you believe joe biden and vice president harris have been effective in fighting crime? in that area, and americans would be very clear the answer is no. they have not been very

effective at fighting crime. we just did survey work in arizona and key areas of the state that will decide the presidential election. the number one issue amongst independent men is the crime issue and the border issue. is the second most important issue amongst independent women. it goes to the stat you just showed at the very beginning of the segment. it is a big political issue. it is a concern for the vice president's team, because they have not been effective at bringing crime rates. in fact, you can go to radicalharrisrecord.com, close of a project of protecting americans, and you can see what she did as a prosecutor that made things worse in california. >> john: we have time to talk about all of this before voting finally closes. great to see you. sandra, as we continue to watch the pictures of the former president at the fire station in shanksville, pennsylvania, which either the president or the vice president or the former president visits every year on this solemn occasion.

>> sandra: the current president biden apparently departing shortly from shanksville. you are still looking at former president donald trump, skiing right, and that is johnstown, pennsylvania. screen left, former president donald trump still there at the shanksville po fire department. the first to respond to flight 93 that day. for so many, they talk about what it means to have their leaders just acknowledge how significant this is, this day, and their memories and what they went through for them. >> john: and the current president gingerly walking up the steps of air force one, the smaller plane, the 757. to depart and come back here to washington, d.c. four years ago, joe biden came to the fire department on 9/11 and brought pastries and beer. he did not bring that again this year. i don't think the former president came with anything, as well. but you can see folks at the fire station very thankful and very happy that the former president came for a visit.

families of some of the people who perished on flight 93, some of the 44 who perished back on september 11th 23 years ago, welcoming the president to lay two wreaths, when at the memorial wall and the other at the boulder which marks the site where the plane hit the ground. >> sandra: looks like a lot of photo opportunities. the former president's son eric trump lining up to take photos, as well. and this has been going on for quite some time. to brian kilmeade's point, the former president, many say nobody does it like he does. his ability to step into a moment like this and grieve with these families and remember with these families, it is something that he has done many times and does well. we have heard from these people in shanksville through the years and spoken with them, and they appreciate these visits, john. >> john: a small town literally in the middle of pennsylvania, a very open area.

the plane not coming down too far from the small little town. if you've never been -- and i have to say, i am one of those people who has never been, but i have talked to people who have been there and obviously seen a lot of pictures of it -- the flight 93 memorial is a must-see if you are ever in the area. the way it is laid out really is very powerful. you have the memorial wall that would be slightly akin to the vietnam wall, and there is also a museum there. you can pick up a phone and listen to the phone calls that were made by the folks, some of the folks on board the aircraft to loved ones before they decided to storm the cockpit and the flight went down. i was mentioning nicole saphier says every 9/11 she listens to those recordings. she remarked this a lot of hate in the world but there's also a lot of love, and that is embodied in the final phone calls that folks made to their loved ones before they stormed the cockpit and the plane went

down. >> sandra: for everyone who has studied the flight that day, 46 minutes into the flight, those hijackers took over, murdered a passenger, stormed the cockpit, struggled with the pilots. remember, the communication with the ground control began, and we all know what happened then. but those heroes that stood up, they acted and we all know the stories. the individual stories of that day, and the phone calls, to your point, that we can now listen to. and remember what they went through and their families went through. >> john: and that compressed timeline of everything that happened on that horrible morning played again this morning on "fox & friends." i don't know if there is a place where you can click on that somewhere and listen to it, but it really is quite extraordinary when you see how that day unfolded. everybody remembers where they were at that moment. i remember i was stuck in horrible traffic on the g.w. parkway trying to get down to my

job as the chief white house correspondent. it took me a long time to get in, because traffic for some reason was so bad. the plane hit the tower, the first tower. the second plane hit the second tower. i walked through the gates of the white house just as the plane hit the pentagon, and all hell was breaking loose. secret service was running around, there were alarms going off everywhere, reports that they were suicide bombs at the state department, car bombs at the state department along with suicide bombers running around washington, d.c. nobody knew really what was happening at the time, but it was clear that america was under attack and there was going to be some kind of very profound response to all of that, as was articulated by president bush on the 14th of september in new york city. ct quite a long visit in shanksville, and we all take this moment as americans to remember the details of that day, flight 93. as a reminder to all

those -- gosh, 23 years ago. this was the fourth and final passenger jet, john, that was taken over by terrorists that day on september 11th, the only one that didn't reach the target intended by al qaeda. every single and it's painful for all of us as americans. >> john: ages leave the target for flight 93 was likely the capitol building, you could imagine what would have happened if the plane had gone into that of building compared tom clancy wrote a book about that pack describe the japan airlines pilot who flew 747 into the capital building during the state of the union address, card over the predecessor to the dedicated is survivor. you can imagine an aircraft are going to the building across the

street from me, full speed 500 miles an hour, the damage it would have done, in the carnage it would have wreaked from of the building that would have likely been full of people. >> sandra: and you think of all the lives lost, those that are here that never got to meet their loved ones, case and point, joining this last hour, said he was 15 years old, he has kids of his own,'s dad never got to know him and we think about of them today. >> john: we will keep watching the events of 9/11 unfolded, never forget is the word today. think about where you were on the day or people who you knew, who were somewhere on that day and will never cut his memories of this day will never leave. >> sandra: thank you for joining us everybody. and sandra spent my sandra smith. >> john: 's story with martha maccallum starts now. >> martha: thank you very much, good afternoon, martha maccallum and this is the story.