this week when he prevented a woman from jumping off a bridge in nashville. he happened to be filming a music vehicle when he sensed the woman was in a moment of crisis and approached him and nashville police say he successfully persuaded her to come off the ledge and back to safety. how about that, guys? what an incredible story there. >> steve: it's the pedestrian bridge downtown. holy cow. >> ainsley: glad he intervened. i wonder how -- this looks like surveillance video from a camera on the bridge. i wonder if someone saw it and said -- brought it to our attention. >> steve: i wonder if she saw him and thought are you bon jovi >> brian: somebody in the back drop. are they going to jump? >> bill: good morning. here we go, t-minus 54 days. the state of the race could be

shifting. what our fox news power rankings now reveal coming up momentarily. good morning, i'm bill hemmer. it's thursday. how are you doing? >> dana: i'm great. i'm dana perino and this is "america's newsroom." big day today. gut gutfeld's 60th birthday. before we do jokes we'll do this. power rankings show vice president harris moving into the lead for the first time as north carolina and georgia move from lean republican to toss-up. we have more on that in a moment. >> bill: both candidates are back on the trail after tuesday night's debate. president trump will be in tucson, arizona. the vice president will be in charlotte, north carolina. >> dana: peter doocy is reporting live from charlotte. hi, peter. >> good morning, dana. the vice president is getting aggressive. this is a state, north carolina, that donald trump won twice and it was slipping away from joe biden again before they lost him from the ticket.

now the harris team is trying to capitalize on debate momentum with a new campaign ad with clips from the debate. >> we're a nation that's in serious decline. >> what i do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country. >> quinnipiac is putting harris over trump by three points in the tar heel state now 50-47 poll taken before the philly debate and now we wait to see if voters are moved towards or away from harris after that trump/harris debate. very little was learned about how progressive or moderate she is. she enjoys the backing of the congress's most liberal members who continue to celebrate her primary-free ascension to the top of the ticket. >> we have 55 days to deliver this. we have the right candidate at the right moment. it is up to the rest of us now. let's do the work.

>> unlike president biden's last few campaign stops in north carolina when he was still a candidate that were pretty small, the vice president is trying to fill up arenas including today at charlotte's beau jangles arena. this is where elvis performed but we're more likely to hear a song by taylor swift instead of the king. >> dana: will we see a post debate shift in media strategy after the debate? >> the harris campaign officials are saying she is going to be out there doing interviews and they are saying they would like to participate in a second debate with trump. but -- it would be great to learn more information about her, but the question then becomes why would the harris campaign do anything differently? based on the polling we're seeing, it seems like it is working for them to have her out there but not really going into

specifics about anything. >> dana: we'll see if that holds true. the undecided voters as you will see later in the show felt like they didn't get enough information from the other day. peter doocy, thank you so much. bill, i turn it over to you. >> bill: show you power rankings about to be revealed for the first time. there are changes. we believe right now that north carolina and georgia have had a shift. they've had some movement. i want to direct your attention down to the southeastern corner of the country, georgia, north carolina are considered tostito's-ups. we'll put them in the same category with four other states, nevada, arizona no change. wisconsin, pennsylvania, no change. at the moment we have michigan lean democrat or we should say yes, right here, right here is lean democrat in the blue on the far side of the screen. so watch these states as they hit both of them.

come on, mr. magic. don't fail me now. okay, we'll do something super ugly, team. doesn't work. just doesn't work. you have to shut the thing down and restart it. >> dana: can you point to wisconsin and tell me about the closeness of that race? >> bill: look at that. look at that. now we can go back in here, dana. let's do this. apologies about that, sorry. these things happen. you know where that would not have happened, dana? on elon musk's spacecraft earlier today. they did it perfectly. the states to focus on now, these are the area that we are going to watch 78 electoral votes among six different states and how they break. i would say pennsylvania 19 electoral votes is the biggest batch in the list. don't overlook georgia, 16 electoral votes.

north carolina 16. taken together that's 32. so they matter. they matter in a significant way. in a moment i will show you how much going back to 2020. our forecast at the moment has kamala harris in the lead. 241, trump at 219. you need 270 to win in the end. that's our power rankings as of now. a bit later i want to go back to 2020 and show you three states in specific. wisconsin, i want to show georgia and arizona. do you know what the total was between those three states? >> dana: i don't. >> wasn't even 43,000 combined. the difference with biden winning all three. in the end trump would have ended up with 269 electoral votes. bring in josh. what do you think? >> a fascinating map. the map looks different with kamala harris at the top of the ticket. she has a lot more paths to get

to 270. when it was joe biden we kept talking about the rust belt states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin trifecta. a lot of pressure for democrats to sweep those three states if they wanted to win the election. now with georgia and north carolina looking a whole lot more competitive, there are a lot more possibilities for the democrats that you could win georgia and not have to win pennsylvania. a lot of the sun belt states open up a whole slough of possibilities for the democratic ticket. >> dana: trump is steady in this situation where in the last 12 weeks we've had pretty seismic things happen like biden jumping out of the race and trump almost being assassinated. you can see that, josh, a slight dip earlier on in the summer. what do you attribute that to? >> look, it kind of remarkable huge political events and not a

ton of movement in the polls even in the battleground states the movement has been fairly minor. the big development, though, was when harris came and emerged as the nominee. there was a lot more excitement from a lot of elements of the democratic base. black voters are now much more likely to support kamala harris than they were joe biden. younger voters much more excited about kamala harris. you saw that with the taylor swift endorsement. there are a lot of african-american voters in georgia and north carolina. that's what has put harris in play for those two states. a lot of big cities, a lot of young voters in those two states as well. so that's the big difference. you can't underestimate the importance of moving those two states into the toss-up category. it opens up a lot more avenues for kamala harris. >> bill: we'll let the debate marinate in the minds of many of the undecided voters. a few of them right now. watch them. >> i think there were questions that were unanswered. >> trump has the policies that

are solid and -- >> kamala was really baiting trump and she spent the majority of the time doing that, not covering some of the issues. she kept stating that she was here for the people but i didn't necessarily feel that last night. >> bill: let's see how that settles. josh, check this out, all right? this is a graphic. the first line is terre june of this year. biden dropped two points after that disastrous debate. trump went down a point. now you move to 2020, okay? october of that year. biden was even, trump went up two points. in the first debate in cleveland where trump had covid basically it was a train wreck biden went up a single point and trump only went down a single point. can you explain that? does that tell us how tight this vote is? >> we are a divided country, bill. 50/50 america.

a lot of people won't change their minds even if one candidate has a bad debate. it is pretty amazing even though joe biden dropped out of the race eventually when you look at the data his numbers didn't totally collapse. he still maintained pretty solid support from his own party. debates are not going to move this race substantially. maybe harris gets a small bump from her pretty good performance. this is a close race. divided country. trump still has the advantage in voter perception when it comes to some of the biggest issues they care about. that's a fundamental advantage to have in the homestretch. >> dana: just on that point, josh. call for number one here. this will be for our two-shot. let's look at it. sun belt states it's the economy 41%. immigration is next at 14%. if you looked at the quick reaction on the debate the other night, when they came out and talked about the economy first trump did best there. if people are only paying attention to the first part of the debate they might have seen

that. final word to you. >> yeah, two most important issues economy and immigration. both those advantages go to donald trump. i think the missed opportunity for donald trump at the debate, though, he did not litigate his advantages as effectively as he could have against kamala harris. she got away with spinning away her record and trump didn't press her on those issues. >> bill: if that's the case, both have incentive to have another debate. and for very different reasons, too. josh, thank you for coming on. more coming up with you soon. >> dana: have a good day. thank you. there is a special edition of a pop-up podcast. perino on politics. i brought in colin reid and selena to talk about the debate. download and listen. scan the qr code. >> bill: new orleans, roll this.

she was a hurricane, now downgraded to a trolls. francine knocked out power for nearly half a million. we're watching that with the eye of the storm heading north. will cause a lot of damage on the way. >> dana: americans feeling the pain in their pocket books. a new economic report shows prices are still on the rise. >> the mother of a murdered 12-year-old girl with so much promise for her future. she is now blaming open border policies for her daughter's death. >> i just wanted the world to know how badly this has affected this country and more importantly my family. my family will forever be different.

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>> dana: francine ripping through louisiana. downgraded to a tropical storm overnight after making landfall as a category 2 hurricane. it trapped people in floodwaters, ripped roofs off buildings and caused power outages across the state. we're live from new orleans where we get an update. hi, craig. >> hi. as of this morning, a lot has moved north into mississippi, alabama, into georgia. we'll watch that move across the gulf coast states. we're at one of the retainer walls. behind me look at this. we came out here because they closed the wall here. this is part of a 350 mile levy and flood wall system around the city of new orleans and around different parishes. monday they started closing these up. they are solid steel. part of the levy system that went into place after hurricane katrina. they'll want to open it up because things have passed over

new orleans. let's look at what it looked like yesterday. early in the morning preparations were going on. businesses were closed. no one boarded up the businesses but closed for the day to protect their employees and anybody visiting the town. soon about 11:00 or 12:00 the rain picked up and got heavy and the floodwaters started to add up over the city streets of new orleans. we were in the french quarter. a lot of the drainage system they can get an inch of rain per hour. by the time of 2:00 in the afternoon they received five and ten inches of rain total and saw flooding. things are clearing up and time to clean up but the chance for tornadoes over to florida that we've been watching for early this morning as the last of francine continues to move over the gulf coast states today. >> dana: thank you. keep us posted and for continuing coverage of francine download and stream the fox weather app.

>> i'm looking into the job market. i'm looking into the economy and housing prices, cost of food. i think the economy under donald trump was a lot stronger. >> she is reflection of the biden-harris administration that the majority disapprove. >> she has nothing to point to. nothing that has done anything to make this country weaker, to look at our economy. it is a huge problem and will continue forward. >> bill: voters struggling to stay afloat in the biden-harris economy. look at the board. all food 20%, shelter, energy, electricity, auto insurance 55%. even your pet food is more expensive up 23% in the last 3 1/2 years. this morning's producer price index showing costs are up more than 1 1/2% year-over-year. overall inflation is up nearly 20% going back to january of 2021. doug burgum is the north dakota governor and trump surrogate.

how do we beat this? thanks for being on. >> good morning. i think the way we beat inflation and get the economy going is elect president trump. kamala's economic policies, it is just more of the same. she has rolled out in that debate more spending highly inflationary. she was the tying vote that the -- one of the biggest lies ever was something called the inflation reduction act. it was the major cause of the inflation. it was the inflation creation act. so it's a little bit if people think she will fix the economy it's like asking an arsonist to come and put out the fire. she lit the inflation fire. >> bill: child poverty more than doubled since 2021. that has not been on a lot of folks' radar, up to 13.7%. you are big on energy. north dakota is an energy state and clued in on this. she said the other night again

like she said on cnn two weeks ago her values haven't changed. she was in 2019 on the issue of fracking in america. >> prepared to get rid of the filibuster to pass a green new deal. no question i'm in favor of banning fracking and ban off shore dreiling. i'm committed to passing a green new deal and putting and end to fracking once and for all. >> bill: the numbers of times now we can argue whether or not president trump took advantage of that moment and to a lot of folks he failed. however, we don't know how folks in pennsylvania are thinking about her answers and we may not know that for 54 days, sir. >> well, i'm in pennsylvania today all the way through tonight doing events here talking to voters, doing a town hall for trump 47 tonight. i can tell you one thing, in pennsylvania, this is a state

where every road, every school has benefited from their energy industry. a big natural gas state. we have an opportunity with expanding that. there is over 25 lies and mistruths that harris said during the debate the other night. one of the biggest ones and none of them fact checked. she is trying to take credit for energy production up. any energy production that's up in the country in the last 3 1/2 years is in spite of biden-harris because they literally -- this is the first administration since truman that did not hold the lawfully required bureau of land management lease sales for eight quarters. north dakota had to sue the federal government for them to do what they are required to do so they have put roadblock after roadblock from over a dozen agencies including through executive orders whether it's canceling pipelines or stopping the permitting of natural gas export. this has been an anti-u.s. energy administration. for her to say i didn't ban

fracking. you know what the voters heard? they heard president trump saying energy dominance and independence. they know he supports. if you work in energy they know he supports them. they know that harris doesn't. and she can say i didn't ban fracking. not because she didn't want to. she didn't get it done. the energy voters in the state itself know their budget depends on energy and i think pennsylvania is going for trump. >> bill: it is almost like inflation economy. i repeat it over and over again. governor, thank you. we'll follow your trip in pennsylvania and see what you come back with. doug burgum. thank you for being on that. >> thank you, bill. >> dana: and residents of springfield, ohio are demanding action. a small community deals with a massive influx of haitian migrants. how did a city a thousand miles from the border become the center of the crisis? >> we've needed help but -- for several years, maybe we'll

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call this number >> dana: the border craves is under the biden-harris house is in full focus 54 days from the election. the charge of migrants is strange resources in big and small cities across the nation. ohio governor mike dewine announced a $2.5 million aid package for springfield as the city deals with the surge of migrants from haiti and we're hearing from victims of violent crimes allegedly committed by migrants. >> bill: fox team coverage brooke taylor works the story in houston. disturbing details surrounding the murder of the 12-year-old girl. christina coleman is live in springfield, ohio, clark county to the west of columbus and northeast of dayton, ohio. what did you find out? good morning. >> good morning, bill. over the last four years at least 15,000 haitians have come to the small city springfield,

ohio. it has rapidly and dramatically increased the population here and stretched resources thin. many haitians came under the temporary protected status program after escaping violence and unrest in their country and heard there was cheap housing and lots of jobs here. now springfield is in serious need of multiple resources, translation services and driver education classes. ohio's governor says many haitians have arrived here badly in need of medical services due to a severe shortage of healthcare in their home country. >> what that also means is that the number of these individuals, we don't know, but the number of these individuals who are not vaccinated from things that we take for granted in this country are -- is a high number and very, very significant. these facts have a great potential for community health challenges.

>> area residents packed a city commission meeting on tuesday to voice their frustration over the situation. also yesterday ohio state highway patrol dispatched more law enforcement to this area to help with traffic problems. some haitians are unfamiliar with u.s. traffic laws. that issue got a ton of attention after an unlicensed haitian driver hit a school bus in august of 2023 injuring about two dozen children and killing a young boy, 11-year-old aiden clark. on tuesday his father begged the public to not use his son's death as a talking point over immigration. >> last thing that we need is to have the worst day of our lives violently and constantly shoved in our faces. >> meantime, city and state leaders continue to work to find ways to meet the desperate challenges they're facing right now. the governor says he will earmark $2.5 million to provide more healthcare and other critical resources to this

community. >> bill: changing part of the country indeed. christina coleman, good to have you there and look forward to more reporting. >> dana: the mother of jocelyn nungaray blaming the biden-harris administration for her daughter's murder. texas prosecutors are moving forward with charges against two men who reportedly entered the u.s. illegally before her murder. brooke taylor has more from houston. good morning, brooke. >> this mom of 12-year-old jocelyn nungaray tells me she wants to continue to keep telling her daughter's story. she wants her to be purpose behind her death and prevent it from happening to other families. i want to take you to video inside the courtroom. we were there yesterday when 26-year-old franklin ramos and 21-year-old appeared before a judge. both illegal immigrants from venezuela. their attorneys were pushing for a gag order to stop anyone from

making comments to the media pointing to the district attorney here who has described this case as a clear example of our broken immigration system. that judge ultimately ruled against a broad gag order. to rehash this case, police say 12-year-old jocelyn snuck out of her home back in june. that is when she came across the two men. police say she was sexually assaulted, strangled to death. her body then dumped in a creek under a bridge. according to ice, the two men were both caught by border patrol on separate occasions but released the same day they were caught. i asked the defense attorney why they were fighting so hard to have the gag order? >> as a right to know given this case was gotten national attention. don't you think they have the right to speak to officials outside the courtroom? >> we want a fair trial. we'll comply with the judge's

order. and beyond that we don't have any further comment. >> i also heard from jocelyn nungaray's mom who spoke to me one-on-one over a zoom. >> genuinely feel that us having these open border catch and release policies are ultimately the result as to why my daughter is not here. >> and she was inside that courtroom yesterday watching her daughter's accused killers. there were heated moments as family members pointed to t-shirts and pictures of her telling him to look at her face, dana. >> brooke, thank you so much. >> bill: strong woman and her daughter did not deserve that at all there in texas. i want to show you two things. we mentioned a moment ago in the sun belt states we're talking nevada, arizona, georgia, north carolina. economy is number one at 41%. then you see immigration at 14. abortion at 13.

ask yourself why isn't it more prominent? i think it might depend on where you live when it comes to immigration. especially where christina was reporting in springfield, ohio. with regard to abortion, state referendums on the ballot this november, nevada, arizona. arizona and nevada will be competitive and see whether or not it makes a difference. >> dana: we'll pay attention to that. did you see this? spacex and two astronauts making history 900 miles above earth. the latest from their trail blazing mission in space. a terrifying crash caught on camera. what police are saying about this scary scene. ♪

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>> bill: so that is not good. that's a truck crashing into an elks lodge injuring two dozen people. the driver facing dozens of charges, including aggravated assault and driving under the influence. want to share that with you. that's arizona there, apache junction. thankfully they all lived. >> do you believe americans are better off than they were four years ago? >> so, i was raised as a middle class kid and i am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of america. i believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the american people. and that is why i imagine and have actually a plan to build what i call an opportunity economy. >> dana: vice president kamala harris dodging a question right out of the gate on tuesday. her performance garnered praise

from pundits. "the new york times" reporting undecided voters weren't totally sold. i want to bring in a principle and former advisor to hillary clinton. did you question, philippe, are you better off than you were four years ago? >> we all lived it. you don't have to practice it. >> dana: did you practice the question? was she prepared to answer it? >> clearly she was. >> dana: that was an answer? >> she knew four years ago. the problem here is donald trump likes to act like he wasn't present for four years like he doesn't have a record. and it was important to the vice president to make sure people remembered that four years ago we were all hunkered down in our homes wearing masks whenever we left and people were out of jobs, inflation was sky high. that's the truth of the matter. that's what people need to be reminded and what donald trump makes very tough for people to remember because obviously he doesn't want them to remember

and that's what the vice president, who, you know, looked awfully presidential on tuesday night did. >> dana: philippe, you are not the first biden-harris, now harris surrogate to say well, four years ago we were hunkered down in our homes as if the pandemic was trump's fault. biden-harris asked schools to be closed. can you say that with a straight face? the economy was going great before covid. covid was not trump's fault. >> i have a straight face right now. what covid was was a once in a century pandemic. donald trump said it is not a big deal and will go away, which was a lie and he knew it was a lie. telling people that they didn't really have to wear masks. he never set an example of wearing masks. telling people to put horse

poison that is used to get worms out of cows into their bloodstream and look, he prolonged it. it is as simple as that. he prolonged it. president biden >> dana: we are go ping down a rabbit hole. trying to suggest that four years ago the biden-harris administration would have done everything in covid differently is very -- is really hard to take. let me ask you about this. >> look at what they did as soon as they came. handled covid differently. >> dana: in fact they passed the inflation reduction act that raised inflation. >> because donald trump did not do anything to keep things -- if he had told people to wear masks he probably would be president to this day. that's the bottom line here. covid was the ultimate fact checker for donald trump. it was the first time he could not lie himself out of a situation. >> dana: we can have a fight about masks another day, philippe.

ask i ask you about going forward. it is fascinating you have had this front seat in so many debates in helping candidates get ready. hillary clinton, now kamala harris. that took an incredible honor. she has gotten a lot of praise for a really good debate. she didn't collapse. she was quite a strong competitor. "the new york times" said that about the outcome. voters said the vice president talked about sweeping vision to fix the country's most stubborn problems but wanted the fine print. so if she missed an opportunity to get to those voters then, is there a new strategy? one, for example, more media interviews, more town halls or another debate? i know you said you want another debate. >> yeah, left to kamala harris she would be out there as much as possible. you weren't even 3/four of the way through a debate saying let's do another one and donald trump saying no. kamala harris, despite being the vice president for 3 1/2 years is still a quantity that's not

entirely known. not that odd for the position. she wants people to know that started with her convention speech that took place tuesday night. it will take a lot of form from here on out. what we saw tuesday night was donald trump trying to prevent that. this is not two people who say well, on the one hand i want to do this and on the other hand he wants to do that. this is someone who was -- two people in a job interview, one of them was answering the questions. the other one had a chain saw trying to prevent anyone from hearing what she said. i have done this now twice nine years apart. anyone who watches the same way people who watch joe biden made this comment donald trump is not the same man. he just isn't. his language is decompensating. i had a really hard time. i know people will think that's partisan and mean. but anyone who watches him. the childcare interview he gave last week was just a word salad.

i'm sorry. >> dana: felipe, due want to go down the word salad buffet line here? >> yes, i do. >> dana: you do? how much time do we have? >> someone who could answer any questions without the teleprompter. i've watched every rally and speech president trump has given over the last six months. that guy uses a teleprompter and a big difference when he does and doesn't. he should use it more than he does. something like childcare is important. >> dana: let me ask you will you play j.d. vance in the upcoming prep? you are? >> i will not. i was originally slated to and when there was the switch, i got elevated, you know, i had looked at him. he is a very, very good debater. he had two debates in ohio in his race. he is solid. i think it's probably going to be his best, you know, opportunity so far. >> dana: we'll have more time

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a woman rescued by firefighters walking out from what looks like an apocalyptic scene getting into an fire truck and taken to safety. another example of the extraordinary work these firefighters are doing day in, day out on so many of these fires in so many small towns, big towns trying to protect every single structure that they can, dana. their work is nothing less than extraordinary. temperatures, by the way, have come down a lot over the last 24 hours. that is going to help the humidity is going up. that will also help. but with 100,000 acres already burned across southern california, these firefighters still have a lot of work to do, dana. >> dana: jonathan hunt, keep us posted and keep safe. thank you. >> you support the medicare for all bill. i believe it will totally

eliminate private insurance. so for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to get to keep it. >> listen. the idea is everyone gets access to medical care and you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company. let's eliminate all of that and move on. >> bill: that was five years ago. her website suggested she has moved away from that position. what would the elimination of private health insurance look like? britain has a taxpayer funded health service for all its residents. a new report reveals their system is in critical condition. could it become a reality under a harris administration? dr. marc siegel, fox news medical analyst with us now. senior medical analyst. nice to see you. i want to point this out. the clip was from 2019. 2017 she co-sponsored medicare for all along with bernie sanders. what problems are they having in england now and why? >> let me start by saying access

to healthcare as harris talks about, doesn't necessarily mean healthcare. if you have coverage doesn't mean somebody is going to be there to deliver it. you have insurance or you have a government promising you something doesn't mean you are going to get it. there may be long lines. in the u.k. right now the crisis, bill, is due to the fact that 8 million people are waiting. 40% are waiting more than 18 weeks. 14,000 people died in e.r.s in the u.k. last year waiting. the problem is long waits and the other problem, this is maybe even as important, is excitingly we're heading to a time of artificial intelligence, of personalized healthcare solutions and more expensive solution that take a lot of investigation to get to. a lot of great drug company and university research has to go into this, extremely expensive. it is a challenge to figure out how to get people that care.

going to a one size fits all system is not the way there. that's apocalyptic for what can go wrong. >> bill: the new prime minister says, it's reform or die. this government is working at a pace to build a ten year plan instead of the top down approach of the past. this plan will have the fingerprints of nhs staff and patients all over it. you mentioned the number of people waiting. i've got this fact. more than a million people waiting for community services in june of this year and the quote from one of the folks there is too many people are ending up in the hospital because too little is spent in the community. you are in the community. make sense of what that means for people who need care. >> really, really important point. by the way, talking about the national health service i have volunteered in the past. i don't want to take away from the great heart, souls and skills of their doctors and

nurses and physicians assistants and emergency personnel. the system is broken. when you talk about the community an example from here in the united states. i visited a federally qualified health center before the pandemic and with the medicaid expansion they were up and running with all bells and wise also and looked terrific. i said what is the problem here? they said no physicians. we can't get physicians. there is a huge physician shortage. when you go to the state exchanges under obamacare you see narrow networks of physicians. we don't have the manpower. we don't have the horse, we have the cart. that's the problem. >> bill: wow. doctor, thank you for coming on. we'll continue to explore what the best option there is. a lot of people need the help clearly. dr. marc siegel, thank you. we'll talk again. >> dana: breaking news now. new inflation data not relieving the financial pain americans are feeling. wholesale prices rising.2% last month. no