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>> right now, a pakistani man with ties to iran is in court, charged with a plot to kill prominent political american leaders in the united states jerk was former president trump among the united states? the hearing comes a day after trump survived a second assassination attempt in just nine weeks. this is a "outnumbered." i'm kayleigh mcenany with my cohost's harris faulkner and emily compagno. also joining us, martha maccallum, anchor and chief editor of "the story," and fox news contributor paul mauro, an expert of course in all these matters, retired nypd inspector. we have team coverage on all these breaking stories. live in west palm beach, florida, with of elements in the second trump assassination attempt. but first, more on the hearing underway as we speak in

new york city on a plot to kill u.s. political leaders with donald trump being a potential target. >> former president trump believed to be on the hit list of the alleged international assassin who is about to be arraigned in federal court in brooklyn. authorities believe that the suspect was sent here to potentially kill the former president, sent by iran. the defendant is this 46-year-old, a pakistani born terror suspect who has a wife and kid in iran. is charged with trying to arrange the assassination of u.s. politicians or government officials here on u.s. soil. those officials have not been named in this indictment, but this iowa senator has said that trump, kern president biden, and former u.n. ambassador nikki haley were possible targets. he arrived in our country from pakistan in april, and then flew from houston, texas, to

new york city to meet with a confidential source and a pair of hit men. prosecutors say he paid those hit men $5,000 to carry out his assassination plan, but the hit men turned out to be fbi undercover agents. they say here he is at the meeting with the confidential source in a hotel room talking about the plot. it included staging a fake political protest to divert the secret service as the attempted killing of the u.s. official took place. "pointed to the target and repeatedly asked the cs to explain how the target would die. they told the cs that there would be security all around the person." iran for years has threatened to kill the former president and other trump administration officials. all any retaliation for trump ordering the killing of this top iranian general and head of the air force and the revolutionary guard back in 2020. their lawyer told us this morning that the client will

plead not guilty, but if he is convicted, he could face life in prison with that plot to kill president trump and other top officials, apparently still very much on. >> thank you. now in west palm beach florida with more on yesterday's assassination attempts. >> kayleigh, ryan ruth walked into the federal courtroom this morning smiling, shackled by his hands, and apparently seen laughing while speaking to his court appointed attorney. the judge presented to cope with different possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number. combined, the judge says he could face 20 years in prison and half a million dollars in fines. fox h -- is told additional federal charges are possible but we understand the charges presented today will keep him in jail. ruth told the judge he only makes about $3,000 a month with

no assets other than two trucks in hawaii. they said yesterday when ruth was arrested his demeanor was perplexing, and that continued today in the courtroom when he was smiling and laughing. >> made the stop, at gunpoint. he complied. his demeanor was perplexing in some way despite the fact that we had numerous people. uniformed personnel, helicopter. >> we are just getting our hands on the affidavit. a couple things stood out to me. it said he was driving a car with stolen plates. of course, he fled the scene and officers were able to pull him over and arrest him on i-95. also, his mobile phone was detected in the area at 2:00 a.m. the night before this happened until 1:30 p.m. in the afternoon. ruth is being held in the palm beach county jail, and is expected in court for his next

appearance on monday sept september 23rd. >> thank you. i want to start with a clip. this is the palm beach county sheriff yesterday. this comment raised a lot of questions. >> the golf courses surrounded by shrubbery. >> want to thank everybody for being with us today for the very important announcement. >> at this level -- [simultaneous talking] speak of the four surrounded. >> participants to the table around it. >> the secret service -- what they deem possible. >> the texas department of public -- >> this golf course -- via the four people. >> the vice president for the national border patrol council. >> so there you have i reached out to the enforcement.

he said to question number one is did he have a counter sniper, counter assault team, counter surveillance unit? we anticipate the answer was yes. what plus ups presidential security be on the units i just mentioned is when you have ert, a tactical unit, attack dog that sweeps were people hiding in the brush, and tst which is dog sweep for explosives. i don't believe he had that. that would be biden level security. my source says to me he should have that kind of protection with this threat environment. when you are a present y -- presidency would have an ert team with dog sweeping the brush and a view on the side street seeing anyone who was setting up or looking with local police. it does not appear that happened. >> it dozens. let's take it a little bit further. if it didn't happen, think about how much more agree just that is, considering that they tried to kill him two months ago. you are coming off of an

unsuccessful attempt two months ago, the rhetoric is obvious the very high. as you and i discussed, the resources that you dedicate to protect them, sure it's going to be a vip. that's why they get the initial protection. in terms of the level of the resources, it's not down to the person's role, it's down to the level of the threat. you do threat assessments and then mitigate the threat that you perceive. that's the metric. very clearly, the resources are not commensurate with the threat donald trump faces. we see that clearly. you had that puzzle in common where the sheriff wasn't speaking for the secret service and saying that "he's a former president." all that begs is again, what has the communication been prethe event? the postevent communication and response seems to have gone seamlessly, but preevent. what has been going on down there? the idea that he could secrete

himself after doing surveillance -- it has emerged picked him up. before the events. you have to say to yourself "who is securing this thing and what is the help the former president should get?" >> the questions you raise are questions for leadership. no doubt the secret service on the ground did a heroic job. we will get to that in a moment. the questions are for leadership. this headline, foxnews.com, how apropos. this comes out friday. "top senators briefed on major errors leading to trump assassination attempt." this is senator blumenthal. i think the market people are going to be shocked, astonished, appalled by what we would report to them about the failures by the secret service in the first assassination attempts. kim cheatle -- she resigns but now her top deputies in charge. i've questions for him. why weren't the appropriate resources on the ground? >> i don't think you can answer those questions after he visits today at the sites.

i'm glad that he is now at least going to the site day of or day after. that's great. that shows some progression because she never went, the former director, never once. >> no, she went to aspen. [laughter] >> a good vacation. that is very presidential of her. so what we did learn from kimberly cheatle's they are down 1,500 u.s. secret service positions. i want to know right now. this needs to be an open book. there needs to be a website where the american public can see what jobs are open today. what are the positions, the titles of those jobs, and if you could fill even 50% of them, would they have made a difference in terms of that number that joe biden said as president this morning "we need to beef up the number of secret service." we don't just need the number. we need the people who would do the job specifically to trump to be beefed up. can we get that? by the way, what does it take to get that plus up that you

mentioned, there really backbone and also high numbers of a protective mission around the former president trump. what does it take to get that outside of an assassination attempt? and he was shot. what does it take that to be stronger? wire was still talking about can we just hire a few more people and get it there? we had the second attempts. what is it going to take? >> i guess it takes two assassination attempts. >> we will see. >> martha, this in from the associated press. "records show the suspect in the attempt to trump assassination spends nearly 12 hours --" depaul's point -- "near the golf course before being confronted. 12 hours unnoticed. i get this was an off the record stop reportedly, but wow. >> i want to say, make no mistake: people are trying to kill president trump. this is the world we have to live in, sadly, but this is

what's going on. not only do you have these two individuals, you have lots of -- you have this person who we just heard about in the report who is affiliated with the iranian government and has an active threat against president trump. when i first heard about this yesterday, my mind what's to iran because of the number of circumstances around it that this person appeared to be alone, had an ak-47. a number of elements, but it turns out it is this individual. i'm still not satisfied that we don't have a real understanding of whether or not there is some sort of conspiracy, coordination around these individuals, whether or not they are part of some kind of group. we heard initially that crooks -- no social media presence whatsoever. then, we heard he had certain accounts that were exposed to foreign entities. under saying, we have to keep an open question on this as this investigation moves forward. the fact that he was able to surveilled this very open area that is near the golf course --

and is not that hard to follow the motorcade from mar-a-lago. it's not that hard to know when he's leaving. it's a huge presence and it's a very public area, so i'm not that surprised that he was able to get this close. under surprised there wasn't protection. >> without a doubt. emily, i want to separate for a moment the secret service on the ground. my source told me this agent that identified the weapon in shrub which is it's ordinarily hard to do was a newer agent and still had the skill to do what he did. not only that, he did that by firing -- and the direction. you put the suspect under fire and alert all the agents around you to look to this area, you don't have to worry about radios for instance. to martha's point what if this had been on a assassin, not a lone unskilled government, and a assassin? >> this is why americans feel so helpless. we are supposed to put our trust

and our faith in an entity that is sworn to protect someone who represents an even greater entity, which is the presidency of the united states, the commander in chief. this is about the offices and level of threat, to your point. it's about the lives and what they represent. it's about the american people who up until recently, we have had faith in the leadership of these agencies that, in the right decisions, would protect the protect these, and also protect the lives of the agents with sound leadership and decision-making. now we are learning that guy was just a hole away from president trump. there by the grace of god that incredible agents with his own two eyes, no scope, no ert's, no dogs. it was by his own eyesight that he identified it, and thank god had the procedure/ability to be able to shoot. no get shot at first and then you can shoot. the question remains, this person who has zero assets who flies back and forth from hawaii

to the east coast, ukraine, back and forth. he had enough assets to have this machine gun, terrible weapons, have prior charges. there is a lot more to come in the way of charges. you do not have to have fired a shot to be charged with an attempted assassination. there is some anymore questions that remain. at the end of the roots, americans have lost their faith. it's frightening, because this man is still out there campaigning for the presidency. >> that secret service agent deserves a presidential medal of freeman and so does the witness who had the wherewithal. >> taking pictures and identifying the suspect? that witness, wow. >> two here is that they. coming up, new details about the suspect in the second assassination attempts of former president trump. live report next. liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i saved hundreds. with the money i saved i thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. cool right? look at this craftmanship.

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>> brand-new picture of the suspect of the second assassination attempt of former president donald trump. the suspect spent nearly 12 hours near the golf course. here is the brand-new picture on the left of your screen. david spunt bringing us new details. >> we are looking through this criminal complaint that was released on the federal court's docket. he made his appearance in federal court. i want to read some of this man's history. it says that on or about december 20th, 2002, he was convicted in greensboro, north carolina, where he is from, for possession of a weapon of mass death and destruction, a class f felony. law enforcement indicates further that on or about march 3rd 2010, about eight years later, he was convicted of multiple counts of possession of stolen goods, another class h felony.

that is what they used for the probable cause, so they could keep him in custody today to charge him with possessing a gun as a felon and obliterating a serial number as a felon. he remains in federal custody and has a hearing next week end. as we look at that second photograph released by this sheriff's office where he was picked up. now meeting members of terms detail or the martin county sheriff's office. he was the police officer himself, and will be given a briefing later today with other members of law enforcement. the secret services, doj and fbi all taking different pieces of this case. the fbi investigating the suspect himself, his background. potential motive, was anybody else involved? under the big question. the doj filed those charges, and

doing some self-reflection about how this happened. the conversations going on as you can imagine, again, to commence after what happened in butler, pennsylvania, about a thing of the security perimeter as of donald trump would be a current president, to give him the same number as the current president and vice president. >> quickly, a follow-up for you. so they were convicted of possessing a mass weapon of death, any sort of comments or details? >> no details according to this, just possession of a weapon of mass death and destruction we are reading from the complaint, violate north carolina general statutes, which is a class f felony. they were able to say he was a felon in possession of a fir firearm. i'm told more doj charges, harris, will likely be coming: they just charged him with these

two so they could keep him in custody. >> had a former fbi agent on with me last hour and he said these are the two easy ones to get in now the hard work begins at getting bigger charges. thank you. speak of the sky wanted to be a hero in his own mind, was willing to die if he went to ukraine and fought on behalf of the ukrainian people, with soldiers there. that's why you see a smile on his face as they are him into custody. it all added up to be this person who is in a lot of trouble. i would keep open these questions about who maybe was egging him on it who might have inspired him to carry something like this out. eric trump was on. he said that hole is the closest to the road. he knows these golf courses like the back of his hand.

this is the part of the business that he runs. i think it would be fairly easy to do a lot of surveillance of this area. it's very public and this is the part of a course, you can google it and find out how the course is laid out. he needs more protection. he has a triumvirate, former president of the united states. have a former president running again? it should be a different level of security. he has been the g.o.p. candidate and there has been attempts on his life. instant fall protection. >> and why not before nap? with information, you are right. why didn't the secret service, the fbi, cia, why didn't everybody jump in? why is this a protective mission now, like a mission in the military to protect a former commander in chief? why doesn't it look like that? if you want to talk about lack of evidence, where are the cameras on the golf course doing what martha is talking about? maybe they could have done that surveillance. don't they have any, they must.

>> you would think that there would be private security -- >> with the former president playing there on a regular basis, yes. >> all of these if you are going to stay within the secret service context, all these evolve to one place. ticket right to the president is asleep at the switch, all right? we have not seen him on this. he gave a statement which they probably wrote for him last nighhe comes out today talking n front of the helicopter as us usual. he is not handling things. he is not on it, and is mal -- because nobody is in charge. the president is not in charge, he's not handling the border and not handling the secret service. >> a lot of free time at there. >> where is he out there? and kamala is expecting us to about her and now when this is

her level -- come on. >> i don't want to jump the shark on this, but in real life, which the rest of us lead every day, and people look at us to be held accountable, sooner or later we don't do what they tell mike we could have. what's the word they say about us? we are guilty anyway. we are complicit. if we didn't try to do everything, and i see the current president as you say reading off a statement, walking away from an important question today from a reporter, it's a fine line to complicity. >> total lack of leadership. would like to see them talk, which they did 24 hours after the assassination attempt, the first one. this is a quote from the phone usage. "ralphs mobile phone was in the vicinity of the area along the tree line described from approximately 1:59:00 a.m. until

approximately 1:31 p.m.," yesterday, the day of the assassination. ralph is in the woods at 1:59:00 a.m. how does he know the president is going to be here? and cnn reported that campaign personnel did not even know that some of them, some campaign personnel, did not know trump was in west palm beach. that security that a president gets, ralph would not have been within 5 500 yards with an ak-47 and a scope at the former president of the united states. >> the first place he went after he was shot on july 13th, the very next morning, he golfed. he said it was his happy place. >> and he wanted to continue on the hole. >> there you go. justin the united states secret service and fbi will be holding a news conference on the attempted assassination attempt on former president trump at

4:00 p.m. on west palm beach, florida. will bring that to you live as it happens. coming up, how did another would-be assassin managed to get so close to former president trump? martha touched on that it's the hole that's closest to the road. "you could google that," she said. we will talk about a former secret service agent. we will talk with them next. time to press rewind with... neutrogena rapid wrinkle repair. it has derm-proven retinol... ...expertly formulated... ...to target skin cell turnover... ...and fights not one—but 5 signs of aging. with visible results... ...in just one week. neutrogena >> woman: why did we choose safelite? we were loading our suv when... crack! safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when they'd arrive with a replacement we could trust. >> vo: schedule free mobile service at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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full report so far. was out there. one thing i want to make clear: the service needs more help. congress should respond to their needs. >> more personnel or more money? what kind of help? >> think we need more personnel. they may be deciding whether they need more personnel or not. >> for more, let's bring in jeff james comer retired secret service supervisory special agent, with presidential detail for four copresidents pure jeff james comer the major question everyone is asking is how could this have happened? how could that attempted shooter have gotten so close to the former president? >> like you mentioned already with the ability of people to move freely through areas, to use google maps through these areas, and just move about in these giant open spaces where the president goes, it is tough to secure all of that.

these outdoor events, whether they are golf courses or the event you saw in butler, pennsylvania, rallies like that, they were the hardest thing the secret service does. >> respectfully, the american people are asking, for president that does golf often and for an entity that had an advanced team, how was this person allowed to lie in wait for, as ap reports, up to 12 hours without that being scoured? it's tough to secure, but does not seem to be good enough for the former president and his protective detail. >> that area along that roadway, you would hope that someone would have seen it, even if what they did was -- ask local law enforcement to sit on the roadway and make sure nobody was ecstatic over there, make sure nobody pulled over, that that i think could have solved the problem, but the big mystery is, and you, one of your call is mentioned earlier. how did the guy even know that the president was going to be there? it could've been a lucky guess. we had times in the past where

places that we protected -- i'm sorry, places that were frequented by people we protected, people would lie in wait. this could just be that case. he knew the president golfed there from time to time and he was just waiting for his time. >> also for the american people who are questioning, this is not an isolated incident. this is on the heels of an attempted assassination of the foformer president. one with the dogs, the swat, the plus ups, why were those not activated immediately after the first assassination attempt, or have they been? >> from what i've heard, my sources told me they have been. former president trump has former stomach every asset former president biden has with the exception of certain military assets that are allowed solely to the president. just because that person's phone was there doesn't mean he was there. we will find this out. maybe they did sweep the tree lined with dogs, but it was a time where the shooter was gone. maybe he had gone across the street or gotten something to

eat, and at that point in time when it happened, he wasn't there. >> according to the ap, he was there physically with food. does the secret service view this as a success. because president trump was not injured, or failure because of the proximity to shooters able to get and -- >> great job by the agents out ahead. normal operations on a golf course are, a people are a hole or t 2 to -- to go ahead, there is a trailing party around where the president is golfing. great job to see that and address it immediately, but you've got to think -- the biggest threat to the secret service right now is the proliferation of weapons that can give you a long reach with a high-powered capacity to take someone's life. may be, it is just the idea that the perimeters were that we were used to in my time just aren't

sufficient anymore. >> and per present bite and this morning, said we clearly need more -- >> and per president biden that this morning saying that we clearly need more, we expect things to change after the first attempted assassination and it seems like nothing has. we will continue praying for the safety of donald trump, all of the protect he is, and all of them as a secret service agent to put their lives on the line every day. thank you for joining us today and for your service. former president trump spoke to fox news digital exclusively on what he thinks is causing him to be shot at. that's next.

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speaking exclusively to fox news digital, trump said this of the suspect. "he believed the rhetoric of biden and harris, and he acted on it. the rhetoric is causing me to be shot at when i am the one who is going to save the country, and they are the ones that are destroying the country both from the inside and out. this may be some of the rhetoric to which he is referring. much of this the suspect has reportedly echoed. >> donald trump is an existential threat to our democracy, and almost from the mental freedoms. >> don't give them the power. are they a threat to democracy? yes. are they going to take our rights away? yes. >> at this moment, our fundamental freedoms are on the ballot, and so was our democracy. >> she is a genuine danger to american security. >> let me just say something: we are fighting for a democracy. >> we have to preserve our democracy, speak out against lies and hate told for power profit. >> after the news broke against

the attempt on trump's life, reaction from some on the left has been truly shocking. the wife of a former white house staffer who once stood as a witness against donald trump mocked the threat to trump's life on social media, writing "no ears were harmed, carry on with your sunday afternoon," and "sorry you're triggered. me, no i'm not, i don't care a little bit." this msnbc's post's first reaction after learning about gunshots to the president was to ask the trump team to turn down the rhetoric. >> we do not know the source of any gunshot or gunshots. we don't know who is responsible for this. the whole thing has yet to be 100% confirmed from start to finish, how this all played out, but do you expect to hear anything from the trump campaign about toning down the rhetoric, toning down the violence, or would that be atypical of the

former president? >> so, the victim needs to tone down their rhetoric. lester holt decided to follow reporting about the trump assassination attempt with comments about trump in vance's words. >> increased rhetoric on the campaign trail itself. resident trump -- j.d. vance, baseless claims about immigrants in ohio. new bomb threats in that town. >> made a concerted choice to talk about trump/vance rhetoric after that report. that is victim blaming. >> that is so unfortunate. i don't know if you would want to address those comments today, but that was not a good spot right there for him. people are going to see things the way they want to see them. that's fine, but none of it is helpful. none of that language is helpful right now. one thing that i would say, and

i would call upon anybody who is close to any candidate in our country right now, and that is make sure that you press. even if you think it looks quiet -- press to protect a person you're with. we are in a game that has enemies that we don't see every day: iran, china, russia. these are people who would love to see us hurt. they laugh at us when we are in pain. we need to make sure we are indemnified against the hate that is among us, and we can't be part of that hate here at home. i don't know what lester holt are the other woman will do, but watching our words and terms of being insightful, i think that's really important right now, and to remember that there are others who hear those words. >> like rachel edmonds words: "no ears were harmed, carry on with your sunday afternoon." a man died, his two c -- daughters, his wife will never be the same, and you make these

comments about it assassination attempt? >> there hadn't been a presidential assassination attempt before this in 40 years. we are living in a different moment and it worries me that people become -- complacent as if it doesn't matter, as if this isn't a huge deal. this is a very frightening era we are learning end. people have said that he is a threat to democracy, that kamala harris said this is the worst situation since the civil war, the threat this fa faces. think about this, by any means necessary essentially. we won't let another donald trump era happen, right? that sort of gives people the idea that it doesn't matter what you do, you have to prevent this, and it's very dangerous. >> paul, when you look at this, there is these overt dehumanizing comments, and then there's also the lies that have been told. if you have believed the rhetoric of the left, you believe donald trump is someone that wants a bloodbath, someone who prays to neo-nazis in

charlottesville. both false. donald trump with the national abortion ban, supporting project 2025. these are all lies. hakeem jeffries, my radio went up two hours after the shooting. "extreme maga republicans -- part of project 25, we must stop them." stops for a brief moment to say "political violence has no place in a democratic society," but fact-check, extreme maga republicans don't have concepts about how to control your life. they have a plan, it's called project 2025. >> artist evolves to is the simple statement: the right believes the left is wrong, the left believes the right is evil. that means that anything is justified. if you can manage to put somebody in the "hitler" box. people did this with bush, with w. if you can put people in the box, what are you doing?

saving democracy and the world so anything is justified. no you are seeing it in the statements you refer to from jeffries and the first commentator on the air, saying it's the supporters as well. what is that advocating? where does that end up? civil war? what do you want with that kind of rhetoric? lets grow up. >> so profound and exactly right what you said. i know it was present biden who said he would take president trump behind the bleachers, when president trump has been told to tone down the violence. what violence are you talking document we heard continuously from the left that words equate to violence, and by that measure, all the violence is coming from the left to the detriment of a man's life and potentially presidents, multiple times over. it's being amplified by the media and needs to be absolutely condemned by kamala and trump. >> this just in, and we will show our viewers. this is body camera footage from

the martin county police department during the arrest. we heard from martin county that they did not have dashcam. however, they did in fact have body camera footage from the officers conducting the arrest, ryan ralph. let's watch. >> take two steps to your right. take two steps to your right. driver. go straight back. keep walking. >> keith ablow. walkout >> keep that low. walk out. >> you saw the suspect had his shirt over his head. he does seem to be calm in demeanor, which is a bit odd given the circumstance. what do you make as you watch that?

>> that was a felony car stop what you are allowed to do procedurally, legally, et cetera, which is you haven't shown a serious felony -- they read it correctly. you stay up, you trying to light, tell him what to do, he gets out. they guy gets on his knees. the bottom line is they were being super, super cautious. clearly he is not that's a price. this happens to you or i, you are freaked out. he doesn't seem very surprised to see they are on him. they got him quickly. i do think, to close the loop, go out on a limb a little bit. i think at some point this guy's going to start to talk. that's why people like them do this kind of thing. this is how they talk to the world. he may wait till the trial and make a show at trial, but at some point we will hear him chirping up. >> harris, during your our we heard from the martin county sheriff. he said there were no helicopters in the air, they were able to ob -- detained this individual via car. more than 40 miles from where this happened. it was a miracle there was a

bystander who got the license plate, then this. >> also said that, pretty thick traffic on a saturday, and that it was, thank god, by the grace of god, that they would catch that particular car. he want to give all credit to the rogue cops who were going to get him. the drones, helicopters, another thing i've often wondered about: when do those get deployed? where they have gotten deployed near the house, the golf course, maybe a search to make that sort of thing. there are a lot of questions. we have a lot of technology. all we ever talk about it the energy sucking artificial intelligence and how it's going to ruin everybody's lives. otherwise we are not using it right now? face an national recognition. they were out on my own hundred ten i think is what sheriff snyder said of martin county. could we be aided by some of that technology we say we are so afraid of? we had better game everything we

have. >> if you wonder about the psychological profile of someone like this, he is, at a moments when most people would be frantic. he is laughing in court today with his lawyer, seems to be almost jovial from where it's being reported. we need to understand where someone just breaks, connect this, in a situation like this. >> at a minimum, he has inappropriate affect, obviously. we know that he was known over 100 incidents in north carolina county where he resided in for quite some time. i'm exhausted by saying he was known to law enforcement. and all americans are too. certainly in this specific situation with a second assassination attempt on a former president's life. i wonder, paul, tactically, without giving away trade secrets, but talk to us about the fact that they knew -- law enforcement knew that an ak-47 was within the vehicle. i noted that one smart guy's gun was not pointed out. talk to us about how that played out. >> it's hard to see who is

where. may already know that the guy is secured. you generally get them out of the car, walking backwards, make them face away from you so you can see what he's doing, he can't see what you're doing -- aunts behind his back, the new approach the sides like this. the point of it is that you see everything he sees nothing. it's hard to tell from that video, but somebody i can guarantee you in light of what had happened and what they found out the scene was trained on him and casey hat tricks -- up his sleeve. than they have to clean the car. >> martha, he has his shirt over his head. i'm not sure what he was trying to do in that moment. it's quite odd. >> he failed in his mission, but he was still smiling. he seems to like the attention he's getting. he has been trying to get attention for years. i want to point out one other thing about where he was. they say 300-500 yards away from the president but he was waiting for the president to get right in front of him. that's why his camera was lodged in that fence, because the advancement once a hole ahead. he was waiting for that moment

when the president would be playing golf or in front of him. this was a very particular plan. this guy has been working on this for a long time. may have been lining in those bushes weekend after weekend, and yesterday he got lucky, and thankfully president trump got lucky again. >> one thing that's important is he wanted the tension. we are learning more and more about his efforts to go in d.c, me in front of lawmakers, meet front of congress. he's not talking now, but to paul's point earlier, doesn't mean he won't talk in the future. this guy wants attention/notoriety. >> in the past, he made public comments about the situation in ukraine for example. "i know the most frightening people often are those who have nothing to lose close what's. this individual strikes me as that: his mission, his purpose, a self defined mission and purpose but at the end of the day, he didn't have a family he was coming home too, didn't assets. he has nothing to lose and that is what makes them dangerous: he's going to risk it all. >> he reportedly has children.

>> in the home i mean. >> we are just collecting the details. >> if, in fact, he had a list of lawmakers he met on capitol hill, we've got to regain how to protect our lawmakers now. if this guy was having any kind of a meeting more than once or twice with some lawmakers on capitol hill, and nothing about him flight -- like the one reporter this morning. we've got "newsweek" who has interviewed him, people who were red flag by he was weird, some things about him that maybe would want to make you question, particularly if he is sitting next to an elected leader. i just want to know how deep did it get on capitol hill that he was around people who were elected leaders, and did anybody just raised their hand and say red flag with this guy? get to read game that whole have access to everybody. it's tough. >> he was a lone gunman from north carolina and hawaii. can you imagine if it was an iranian asset or someone sophisticated? more "outnumbered" next. veteran homeowners

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