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welcome back to "america reports." i'm john roberts in washington. and this has been quite the afternoon, sandra. >> sandra: it has. remember the moment where a reporter didn't have anymore questions? we all have so many more questions especially after what we just heard. i'm sandra smith in new york, this is "america reports." takeaways from the secret service's conference, secret service has president trump right now the highest level of protection, ths president biden. >> john: the first assassination attempt on july 13th and butler, pennsylvania, investigation finds communication gaps and a lack of diligence from the agency. >> sandra: let's get right to david spunt, who was in that room. for the news conference. david, we learned a whole lot more but possibly it is one of those moments where it raises a whole lot more questions. >> yeah, sandra, john, i think it really does. i have plenty of more questions to ask director rowe and we are waiting on this interim report from -- internal report from the secret service.

we got a summary today with some observations of things that will be changing. first of all, director rowe was candid and came out and said after two plus months since juls now in the disciplinary phase, meaning some people are going to get punished here, watch. >> this agency has among the most robust table of penalties in the entirety of the federal government. in these penalties will be administered according to our disciplinary process. >> last month, five secret service employees were placed on administrative desk duty following the shooting in butler, pennsylvania. the service have been working on that internal report for two months. it's almost complete but the summary has several highlights. the first says a consistent theme gathered from state and local law enforcement personnel who helped secure the butler rally was the presence of communications deficiencies. the agr building where thomas crooks, the 20-year-old took the shots at the former president killing a husband and father named corey compare tori. it was not an sapir perimeter.

it also was not on the minds of certain secret service personnel that day. there was a lack of detailed knowledge by secret service personnel regarding the state or local law enforcement presence that would be present in and around the agr complex. not conducive for quickly sharing real-time information. rowe a said before important information was scared and it was done on text messages come on text chains. he said old-fashioned radio frequencies were not used and clearly should have been. now today the house over on capitol hill not far from where i am, they voted unanimously, 405-0, in the chamber, to give all presidential candidates the same protection as sitting presidents. i asked him if he can handle that moving forward. he says they have been handling that moving forward. what was the point of the bill? you have to ask congress what

the point is but i thing the point is that moving forward congress wants to have a law in place to make sure that sitting candidates going forward, five, 10, 15, 20 years ago has the exact same protection as the president of united united states. >> sandra: so david, as far as, i think what a lot of folks at home might be wondering, is anybody going to lose their job over this? what he we did here was a bit more from the secret service, fm the director, saying, "as a result of what happened, employees will be held accountable." but there wasn't a lot of detail given on the accountability. and how far they will go for that. you think about what we have heard from the former president since that day come on that day, following that day, he has been incredibly gracious to the many women women who risk their own lives that day, but w will we hear any further detail about

accountability? >> you know, he says we won't here, because federal rules and regulations, not sure the et wording he used, prevent him from talking about that. but i suspect we will as we get further down the road, as this report comes out to congress here, this internal secret service report. remember there are two reports on capitol hill also that senator dick blumenthal in connecticut, a democrat, said would essentially be shocking, would be appalling for people to learn what's inside that report, so after that comes out i think there is going to be more pressure on the secret service to come out and say, i don't want to speculate if he is going to say this person has been let go, this person is on some sort of administrative leave, but as people are punished, i think we are going to hear a little more because this is the first time we have heard him talk about disciplinary procedures and he was very careful on all of his words and in his actual speech it talked about the robust disciplinary procedures that the secret service has, and i feel

like he wouldn't put that in there if that wasn't between the lines saying that people are going to be in serious trouble here. >> sandra: fair enough. david spunt with the very latest for that, thank you. john questioned her spoon charles moreno, former secret service agent and national security advisor. the secret service does not have the manpower to be able to protect a sitting president, former president, president shall candidate, all of the same time. i am either fortunately or unfortunately old enough to remember back to the last time we were in this position, when al gore was running for president, so you had secret service protection on h him, secret service protection on george w. bush and secret service protection on bill clinton. who took it upon himself in that election year to fly around the world. he went to places like africa, he went to vietnam, he went to columbia, egypt, among other places, which requires secret service teams to leapfrog over each other so they can provide security for him at

every point along the way. it does involve the military, as well, but what is different between 2000, when they didn't seem to have any problem doing it, and now? >> the threat level. and i think that's what you were hearing the acting director referring to, was this heightened threat environment, not only here in the united states, not only from threats abroad like the former president's threats from iran based on the killing of general soleimani. they have found over and over, retribution for that. so how can he sustain that high level of operations for long period of time? that is where you are hearing a little bit of doubt that resources and other types of equipment would burn out rather quickly and need to be replaced. so this is a long-term operation here. as i said, i think the house bill boxes the secret service in

regarding what kind of protection they are going to present and provide to these candidates going forward, and it removes all of the discretion that the secret service would previously have. >> sandra: just going through some of the other details that he was able to provide there, he did not -- the secret service did not give clear guidance or direction to local law enforcement. i think a big part of this is going to be the review, the ongoing, incomplete so far review on the communications with local law enforcement because wherever they go, that is critical. and just talking about coverage in washington and working with the capitol police, if they are not working together, everything can fail so quickly. >> well, we really saw a removal of the best practices that the secret service utilized consistently around the world, and that is the counterpart system. the secret service is paired up

with state and local law enforcement's and command centers, and this was one of the areas that you pointed out rightfully so that failed significantly in butler, pennsylvania. you had two separate command post, state and locals had theirs, and then you had a secret service agent with one state police officer in another, and because of that, the communications broke down. that should never have happened. that was an error on the part of the advance team. something that will come out in greater detail in that report by the mission assurance division. but had that counterpart system been upheld, and he gave an example of it at another site he visited, we wouldn't have had many of these problems in the communication area. >> john: so, you know, if butler was the first time that the secret service had tried to mount something like this, you can understand that there might be gaps in communications, somebody dropped the ball here or there and then you use best

practices to try to solve it going forward. they've done this thousands of times. how did they screw up so badly? >> well, again, john, you know, you have traveled with us a lot in the past. look, what i can tell you is it's got to be in experience. that's the only place that i can land in this entire thing. and sandra brought up earlier, rightfully so, the issue of retention. look, the secret service doesn't have the best storied intel in the area of retention. their numbers are very high, they need to bring that number down. you can do all the hiring you want in the world. if nobody is staying or they are retiring as soon as they can, you are never going to get the numbers that you need, especially now in this new threat environment as the acting director was referring. >> sandra: so what is this? is this a crisis of leadership at the secret service?

is it a crisis of consistency? competency? what would you label this? >> i think it is the perfect storm, sandra, to be honest with you. we've got five reviews now underway. you have a secret service review. you've got the department of homeland security review being led by former secretary janet napolitano. you've got the fbi investigation of the shooter himself, of the act. and then you have the dhs inspector general. and you've got one other outside review. i anticipate, as the inspector general normally does, he will take that wide aperture approach to the review of the agency, looking at everything, looking at leadership, looking at allocation of manpower, all the way down to the use of technology. i think that will be the big picture. and then what congress will do, that was the fifth, is they will take all of those reports in. they will digest those. and then they will make their

own conclusions based on those reports and the interviews and investigations they are conducting on their own, but leadership is certainly going to be an area that gets focused on and rightfully so. >> sandra: charles, if you could standby with us, we would appreciate that as we continue to cover this breaking news. john? >> john: charles, thank you very much. spring shannon bream bream, "fox news sunday" anchor. >> we have the task force lead investigation on this, republican democrat tell us what they so far learned. last week senator blumenthal said going to be shocked and appalled, he's getting outrage over the lack of cooperation he is getting from agencies like dhs to provide the information so they know what is going on. i'm hoping that as lawmakers who have seen more than we have they will be able to tell us more because there are some things that became less clear to me today from this presser that we

just had, so we will have more quesanswers on sunday. >> sandra: i referenced it earlier but this is the former president trump in his own words. he just said this at his long island rally. complementing the efforts of these agents. listen. >> this evil would be assassin got within a few hundred yards of where i stood but thankfully our outstanding secret service agent, and they are outstanding. i want to express my thanks to the u.s. secret service and to all of the sheriffs and law enforcement out in florida, they are heroes who helped to apprehend the attacker. >> sandra: it's worth pointing out for all the failures that we now happen that day that led to this, shannon, and the gaps in communication that we just heard from the director detailing the lack of diligence ahead of that shooting, the

former president has been incredibly gracious to those agents who were there for him that day. >> he has and you heard that from the acting director today, saying listen the men and the women on the ground, these people are doing these difficult jobs every day and they are executing what we are asking them to do. he talked about their families, too. it is a sacrifice for them to know they are walking into these dangerous situations and living in a constant threat level, but what it said it like he was saying today was the planning and execution of those plans is where the real breakdown happened and he kept talking about not having those clear directives to state and local partners while he also praised them today and said we count on them, as you noted sandra, everywhere that we go, but my question is, and that clear directive, we have heard from some local and state law enforcement agencies who were involved in butler. i want to hear from them now about that side of that conversation. did they think the secret service was going to handle agr? what were they told? where was that breakdown? maybe we will get more from those two members will join us on sunday who have been on site,

they have been to butler. they are going to have their first hearing next week too. >> john: likely get more as well from the secret service report on all of this. when it eventually comes out. shannon, we will see you on sunday. thank you so much. >> sandra: let's bring in ohio congressman jim jordan, house judiciary chairman. extra joining us. we are continuing to cover this breaking news and the briefing that was just given by the secret service director. what questions do you have? >> well, i mean, i think the first take away, talked about deficiencies, i mean, yeah. the president of the united states got shot in the head. corey comperatore lost his life and two other americans were injured, course there is deficiencies and complacency's, i think is the word that he used. and then he talked about some paradigm shift that is taking place. it seems to be the paradigm shift should have taken played before sunday, before the attended assassination on president trump down in palm beach.

the agent is right to commend the agents who have been working hard for him. we understand that. but like so many of these agencies in d.c., something guys on the ground, it's the people at the top. speaking of the top, where is mayorkas? i don't think we've heard one word from him since the attempted assassination attempt on president trump this last weekend. where is he? after all, secret service is part of homeland security. what is this guy doing? i think they're all of those questions. let's hope this task force, god bless the speaker for putting it together, the task force here in the house, who some of those members are going to be on with shannon on sunday, hope this task force gets to the bottom of everything. i think they will. >> john: on the subject, congressman, of where is, your colleague in the senate, richard blumenthal from connecticut, is really hot about the fact that he feels like dhs is stonewalling the senate investigation. i'm sure the house investigation feels the same way. and to your point, white hasn't

mayorkas come out and said boo about this? why isn't dhs readily handling over information to these investigative task forces? >> i don't know but this guy has been a complete failure. we you know the border control issues, and this, i don't know where he is at. the good news is for once in this town you actually have bipartisan agreement. we passed legislation today unanimous on the house floor not one vote against it which said look, let's make sure president trump has the same kind of enhanced detail and protection that vice president harris has. just good common sense frankly should have been done a while ago. that's coming together. we have to give these task forces a chance to dig in there and get this information. i know what it's like. we been going after things, fbi, doj, other agencies, you have to go hard. sometimes you have to go to subpoenas and told people in contempt i think to get the facts and the truth for the country.

>> sandra: well those questions over what congress would be able to approved here, you tell me. secret service director just said the agency needs additional personnel, technical assets, equipment for long-term and immediately. so is there money for this? is there money for more resources? is there a willingness to give them more? >> well, sandra, the first -- i would ask -- i guess my guess is you go ask the american people, do you think is a money problem or a leadership problem? what we just talked about with secretary mayorkas. i think most americans probably think it is a leadership problem. i'm willing to look at everything and say do what they need, additional equipment and assets, i'm willing to look at that and i assume the task forces going to do the same. my initial hunch is we always hear this, it's always give us more money. i think it's actually the leadership at the top that is probably the primary problem but i'm willing to look at the facts and see with the task force uncovers. >> john: hey, congressman, i want to ask about another piece

of news that just crossed, totally unrelated to the assassination attempt that does involve the united states. apparently the israeli defense forces did an air strike in southern beirut, took out a fellow by the name of abraham -f islamic jihad, which was responsible for the u.s. embassy bombing in 1983, and the marine barracks bombing. killed 241 people. wasn't the u.s., israel seems to have brought this person to justice pit. >> god bless israel. i want israel to win this conflict. i do not understand this administration and some decisions they have made, makes no sense, you go back to when president biden does his state of the union and says we are going to put a temporary peer in gaza and i'm thinking, warfare 101 if you want one side to win you don't give supplies to the other side and then build

this p or and it falls into the mediterranean -- i have not understood where the ministry should has been. i want israel to win, god bless them for what they have done. >> sandra: congressman, appreciate you joining us, thank you very much. let's bring in paul mauro, retired nypd inspector. we have been talking since this day in july the attempted assassination of the former president. you have now heard from the director. a few moments ago, took a lot of questions and tried to clarify what happened that day and how they are going to improve things going forward. are you satisfied with what you heard? >> hard to be cat satisfied. i commend him for coming out and facing the music but on what congress when jordan said, do you not get the feeling that he has been sent out by secretary mayorkas to essentially own this himself, and if the democrats succeed on five november, then rowe gets the cleanup job and the permanent head job and mayorkas can continue to work the

shadows. this could have been al hunter my argus. it is his agency, and this very clearly was a failure of leadership in the service. so why we are now, supposed to take director rowe's word for all of this, beggars belief, he said some good things and he does seem willing to own it. there were a few word salad, let's be clear, but it doesn't feel like this is being, again, dressed the way it should be. this should be mayorkas coming out and telling us at a very programmatic level what he's going to change. >> john: no one can quite figure out why he is been so silent on this, paul. i want to play something the acting director set about a paradigm shift being needed at the secret service. listen here. >> with respect to a paradigm shift, we are at a pivotal moment in the secret service and at a pivotal moment in the history of our country. and i have directed the secret service embark on a significant paradigm shift that

will redefine how we conduct protective operations. >> john: as i was mentioning to charles marino a little while ago, a paradigm shift is some nt something you do overnight. how do they ensure trump and the others are going to be safe between now and november 5th? >> they are going to be throwing all assets at it. there are things you can do quickly that very clearly they are doing, he gave an example of a recent event when they had all hands on deck and all of the things he would have expected which is a drone in the air, everybody colocated in a constant, different feeds coming in, et cetera, but look, sandra, john, let's give the audience a little bit of a tip,e more jargon you hear in any report from law enforcement, the less substantive that report is. so when i hear things like paradigm shift, et cetera, et cetera, and he kept referring to this paradigm shift, i know that language is being used for the purposes of obfuscating. and let's just put a fine point on it here. we still don't have the operational plan.

the first thing we should have gotten out of butler was the upland because on that planet will say who is supposed to cover that roof, that is just 101, should have had at the next day, the thing exists, they will give it up. he is comping to butler, said they should have been more assertive about the roof which has a lot of wiggle room in it. that implies we told the locals but we didn't emphasize it enough. the columns, definitely, the comms in the tent were completely inadequate. a two minute delay in his timeline between when pennsylvania police called in the 6:08 threat and 6:10 it went out to secret service in the field because everybody wasn't on the same comms network. all of these things are sclerotic and really sort of passe organization that has been backwards looking, very comfortable, and a leadership that has been m.i.a. that is cheatle but also

mayorkas and the number 2 we are hearing with was there for that. i admire him for coming out and facing the music peer i hope he is the guy to fix this because he was there when it all went bad. >> sandra: perhaps one of the most concerning things or words we just got from the director was complacency, right? he said there was complacency on part of some that led to this breach of security protocols. i mean, complacency is what should be feared the most, ri right? when you are in charge of protection, security, fire, police, you have to constantly be expecting the worst to happen and if the u.s. secret service is getting to a place of complacency, that could be a very scary thing, paul. >> that is obvious later biggest risk. anybody who does dignitary protection or site protection, event protection knows that is the biggest risk. you know, look, these things are hard. very often the conditions are off, standing on your feet for 12 hours, all kinds of events,

going back now 30 years when i started. i can remember the millennium, 1999 into 2000 will, in times square, there were terrorist threats. we had this threat every computer was going to shut down because of some numerical, you know, ghost in the system. you are out there 12 hours, 15 hours, but that is what you have to fight and that is what you signed up for, and it really does seem like the organization was just coasting. and i note that the director, he is holding the line on florida. he won't give that one up. he is saying it worked. our redundancies worked, et cetera. i'm going to push back on that a little bit because i worked with these service people, and they are really dedicated. they are really good. it's a tough job, man. and yet something very clearly went wrong. the agents who were actually there did their job. but again, there had to be some sort of a planning flaw, for somebody to be set up on the president for 12 hours with a

line of sight through a hole in the hedge line, and if that one agent is not alert, we have a very different story. and organizationally that argues a problem. he is not holding that, and i find that concerning. maybe that is part of this big paradigm shift, but i think he is being a little blithe about what happened in florida. >> john: to your point about how this fellow routh was able to sit where he was for 12 hours, we have a map showing where he had secretive himself. i don't know if we can bring that up. he is right on summit avenue, which is a four-lane road that has no street side parking. so my question is where was his car? why didn't somebody think it was maybe suspicious that there was a car parked in an area that is readily accessible to him? again, i don't know where it was. and there were a lot of questions as to how he was able to be in that position for so long. but i want to ask you this question, and that is about experience. there are some people we have spoken to that have said it is a

lack of experience that led to what happened on july the 13th. but director role said the person who spotted, the agent is part of the gun barrel sticking out from that snipers layer at the side of trump international golf course was a relatively new agent. relatively inexperienced. but he was clearly motivated and wanted to do his job well because he spotted something that neither the ten people would ever see. is it experience the problem or motivation? if it is not motivation, that could speak to complacency. >> that's a really good question. you could argue thank god for the young eyes, right? if that were an older agent who may be his eyes weren't as good or they are tired, he is more easily tired, not as motivated, maybe he doesn't pick up, which is what is very clearly a very small thing to pick up at that distance, so thank god for that guy. but relative to the golf course,

you know, whether they are motivated, whether they are trained, okay, you have the option of doing things that are prophylactic, that are preventative. those things are the things that really are your force multiplier, and that is to put out a very ostentatious footprint, and that is something that police agencies across the country do all the time. we have all heard that story of a marked police car sitting next to a highway that doesn't have a cop in it. why, because people see the patrol car and slow down, they don't want to get a summons. things like a marked car, and i know trump called an audible and went out that dan it wasn't planned, fair enough, but they should be able to get with the r out in front. that alone is going to probably keep a lot of people moving, take one giant walk that person around the location to see if there is anybody -- it doesn't have to be an assassin lying ins people living in the woods or something that you half to check out, you don't know what is

going on. those things can be done. very soft on the locals here and there is a reason for that. the things i just articulated, the service needs, they depend upon that because the truth of the matter is we can't hire enough secret service agents to allow for all the possibilities. they have to rely on the locals and the other agencies. that's not a knock on them. they need them. but very clearly the whole place had become very sclerotic, very backwards looking. these protocols weren't activated, they weren't in place, and had they been in place, i would argue not only the event in butler but the event in florida would not have taken place. those things were preventable. >> john: we heard from sheriff rick bad bradshaw in palmpalm beach county, wasn't te full security package, walk thae degree on monday but still a little disconnect that needs to be explained. thanks for your expertise, paul. we appreciate it.

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>> sandra: all right, fox news alert, israel watching a rare air strike in lebanon, idea, commander of hezbollah's elite fillers was killed as well as ten other operatives. what we are learning right now, nate foy has, live on the ground in tel aviv. what do you know? >> hey, sandra. idf spokesman daniel hoag are he confirms that israel killed a top hezbollah commander ibrahim aqil in an air strike over beirut today, only the third air strike over lebanon's capital during the war. aqil was one of several people killed, an estimated ten commanders in the elite fighting unit also killed in this air strike. aqil was one of the most powerful people in hezbollah under hassan nasrallah. he was also wanted by the u.s. for his role in the 1983

u.s. embassy and marine barracks bombing in beirut. offer a $7 million award for information on him, apparently no longer necessary. 12 people in total killed, 66 others injured in today's strike. this is israel's third strike on beirut since january but the first notably sandra since taking a hezbollah leader follow sh*shakr. massive air strikes last night. hezbollah responded with 120 watches from lebanon into israel and you see the iron dome hard at work. there are no reports of injuries from this. meanwhile lebanon's health minister is accusing israel of war crimes after israel caused hezbollah's communication devices to explode. >> a lot of these injuries are life-changing injuries, and that is why detonating these devices

in civilian areas and among civilians is clearly a war cr crime. >> so hamas is responding to the air strike in beirut, calling that a "zionist crime" in an escalation by israel and it promises to continue what it calls its resistance. sandra? >> sandra: we thank you for your reporting in tel aviv, thank you, we will have more on this breaking news when we return. quick break and we will be right back.

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ibrahim aqil, 62 years old, was also the senior leader at the age of 20 of islamic jihad and was one of the mastermind of 1963 bombings of the u.s. embassy and then the marine barracks in october of that same year. i think we have some footage from that, flattened the buildings during the reagan era, killed 241 marines, 63 personnel were killed in the u.s. embassy bombing, so sandra, justice was a long time coming for ibrahim aqil, who was designated list of terrorists and had a bounty on him from the u.s. government. israel confirmed just a little mile ago that it took him out. >> sandra: breaking news come on the left, beirut 9:45:00 p.m. eastern time there. this as the escalation continues there, john. at least 12 killed, we are learning, in these strikes as we continue to get more

information. john, obviously the questions are going to be what happens in the coming hours in response to this? it seems like we are getting more news by the day out of there. >> john: this doesn't sound like much. hasan nasrallah likes to talk tough but i don't think he wants an all-out war with israel and the take on abr ibrahim aqil, te pagers hezbollah had turned to because it thought israel had hacked its communication via cell phone, suddenly and simultaneously exploded in what appears to have been probably a yearslong operation, each one of those pagers, which is about the size of a cigarette pack, maybe a little smaller, outfitted with a tiny bomb that went off, kills a number of people, maimed a number of people, injured a number of other people, unfortunately a 9-year-old girl was killed, and then the day after when hezbollah turned to its emergency communications

devices which were these handheld radios, israel blew those up, too, so there's got to be a lot of disarray in hezbollah right now as to how they are going to communicate and coordinate with each other and exactly what they can trust. if you are hezbollah operative return on your laptop or your ipad or your washing machine, who knows how badly they have been infiltrated but it seems to be pretty large on the scale we have seen so far. >> sandra: if you are tuning in just now we are reporting on israel watching a rare air strike that killed a senior hezbollah military official, and john, what is a densely populated southern beirut neighborhood, southern lebanon. happened earlier today, the is really army the one directly reporting on details of what has happened here. we are starting to get some images of workers on the ground in the scene of destruction were all of this has just happened. we are sort of in the early

stages, seeing rescue workers now on site of the israeli strike, on the beirut southern neighborhood. it's the deadliest attack on lebanon's capital in years. with lebanese health authorities reporting at least 12 people killed and dozens more wounded in this attack, john. >> john: but, you know, israel certainly does not seem shy about going after targets in beirut. you remember months ago, fuad shakr was taken out, and they took out the head of the political head of hamas in downtown tehran, which led to threats of retaliation from both hezbollah and israel, sorry, iran, iran didn't go ahead with it, launched 8,000 projectiles toward israel, most of which were taken care of by the iron dome and other interceptor systems or fell harmlessly. but definitely tit for tat

between israel and hezbollah has been ramping up. israel had its reasons for taking out the fellow whose picture we've got here, much younger photograph of him, through his association, top military leader of hezbollah. but it is of interest to americans because the united states has had a bounty on this guys head and declared him to be a terrorist operative after islamic jihad was involved in the bombings of the u.s. embassy in beirut april of 1983 and then the bombing of the u.s. barracks in beirut october of 1993. collectively 304 people died in those two attacks. so this is justice wrought by israel not only on behalf of israel but the united states, as well. >> sandra: and hezbollah has not issued its own statement yet here john, it is not confirming the claim of aqil's killing. but obviously that could come, the israeli military is also not

elaborating on the identities of the other commanders allegedly killed in the strike, incredibly crowded urban neighborhood as we have been describing. lebanon's health ministry and these are just sort of the details coming off over the wire, lebanon's health ministry says at least 12 people were killed as we have been reporting, 66 others wounded. it has not been reported those wounded are in serious condition but obviously we could learn more soon. >> john: this is israel clearly stepping up its operations against hezbollah, there are concerns this could escalate into all-out war but hezbollah does not seem to have an appetite for that. israel's problem is it has at least 60,000 and may be as many as 90,000 people who have been displaced from the north of israel because of harassing fire coming across the border from hezbollah in the form of missiles and drones and israel would like to get its people back in place. hezbollah has said this is going to continue until there is a cease-fire agreement, a permanent one with the hamas but

israel doesn't seem to be in any mood to do that, either, because hamas is not agreeing to the terms so this is likely to continue for some time. let's bring in brett sadler. because of the marines association with the navy let me first of all get your thoughts on the fact that one of the masterminds of the marine barracks bombings, 41 years ago, is finally met justice. >> yes, just as deferred, but still justice nonetheless. so if, in fact, the news plays out there would be some justice for the u.s. marine corps and many americans that were abducted and held in beirut in the very trying and tumultuous times of the early '80s. >> sandra: thank you very much for joining us. what would you be able to conclude based on what we know right now about where all of this could go next? >> well, what appears to be is a

continuation of actually more than just months but perhaps several years long effort by israel to degrade iran and its proxies throat the middle east. not inside iran proper necessarily but going after the irt see in the field and try to degrade hamas, hezbollah, and the houthis. what we saw on october 7th was basically the culmination with the groups all decided to attack and to try to make a big push to try to change the dynamics against israel. this attack right now is a contamination of that longer-term effort, and i think it will continue well after any pieces settled in gaza and who knows what will happen n the coming days. >> john: back on, it was sometime, maybe a week after the october 7th attacks, in israel, i went to tel aviv to meet with michael oren, the former israeli ambassador to the united states, and his point of view was, and he wrote an article he will

about this, let's not deal with hamas right now regardless of what happened because the real threat is coming from the north. here's what he told me back t then. >> i question whether, when we are at full mobilization, talking about 350,000 reservists, huge force, whether we should now turn our attention first to hezbollah and then later to deal with hamas and i have suggested this, it is a controversial idea but people take it seriously. >> john: go after hezbollah first and then deal with hamas? that would ignite such a wider war. >> but the question is whether hezbollah is going to shoot at us anyways. >> john: so in hindsight it seemed to be an astute position because now israel has the operation continuing in gaza, but it's focusing a greater amount of attention in lebanon and beirut. yesterday it took out hundreds of missiles that were in the tubes ready to launch toward israel and southern lebanon, and again, hezbollah doesn't seem,

at least at the moment, brent, to have any appetite of engaging in a full-scale war with israel. >> that's clear by at least some of the restraints, but i'm a little guarded in my response to say it is their restraint because israel, this is the second time israel has preempted a large-scale hezbollah rocket launch against it. a few weeks ago they took out not just hundreds but perhaps over a thousand of these launchers that were aimed toward israel before they could launch. so i'm not sure it's the restraint on hezbollah's part, but hezbollah's thousands of advanced weapons that were provided by iran, many of these ballistic missiles that can range the full extent of israel, it gets to an existential threat for the existence of israel. and hezbollah has not been reluctant in the past to attack israel. this fight, this war we are seeing is in many ways inevitable, and right now the tide is turning into israel's favor, but again the window is going to fast close to any advantage that they have been

able to get with the pager and the walkie-talkies and chaos that it has sown inside as be below. >> sandra: for anybody just tuning in, we are getting word from israel that a top hezbollah commander is among 12 killed in israeli air strikes on beirut. brent, want to get your reaction to this because it appears the israeli prime minister has spoken following this, saying our goals are clear, our actions speak for themselves. so he seems to be standing firm on a new and expanded phase of this war. i will get your reaction to that and also the defense minister, underscoring netanyahu's point saying, "we will continue pursuing our enemies in order to defend our citizens, even in beirut." your reaction to that? >> well, the mentioning and calling out specifically of beirut is a unique and important feature. that actually is an escalation over what has been the norm for many years. again, this has been simmering

for far too long, and i think hezbollah has demonstrated time and again that they have the wherewithal and the intent of launching large mass strikes against israel. and so the statements coming out of jerusalem certainly are one of commitment. the other one that also got my attention the last 24 hours is that the primary theater is now explicitly stated as the northern border, southern lebanon, so very clearly the moves are for something bigger in that area. >> john: all right, brent, let me come back to the effect of the pager and the radio trapping. this is an operation that has gone on for months, if not years in the planning, to be able to get the licensing to make these pagers, to put the bombs in them, and this idea of the one-two punch, let's take out the main method of communication, which was the pagers, and then when they reach for the backup communications, which were these handheld radios, well, let's blow those up, too. how much disarray in terms of

communication and coordination do you think that hezbollah is experiencing right now? if you are a hezbollah operative, you are afraid to turn on your television set at this point because you don't know what else is booby trapped. >> no, i think if you are ahead hezbollah mid-level to senior operative, you are looking at all of your appliances with a newfound sense of security and fear, quite frankly. again, this effect will only last for a very short while, period of time, before hezbollah adjust and find a new way of operating, so the chaos we are seeing is short-lived. i think it's very clearly from a tactical operational level. the inability of small teams to coordinate or to coalesce together for tactical operations, that's what's really been hurt here and that's why this seems more likely, as more events have unfolded, this killing, the continued attacks along the border makes it more likely that this is a precursor for something larger. >> sandra: brent, thank you very much for joining us on the

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>> a stricken major ports along the gulf and east coast could begin in less than 2 weeks. the potential work stoppage could impact roughly half of the nation's cargo costing the economy billions of dollars a day. lydia hugh is live from the port in new jersey and i've got to say you spend more time at the port than tom cruise did filming war of the worlds. >> it's not so bad of a beautiful day like this person or complaints coming for me today but we have our eye closely on the negotiations or i should say the lack thereof as this deadline for this contract is quickly approaching september 30th. district could happen on october 1st and we'll see strain on everyday goods for consumers. the first you will likely see if the strike were to happen will be 2 cars, autos and also

agricultural products. foods. the national association of manufacturers estimates a strike would distract roughly 2.1 billion dollars worth of goods that are shipped in containers everyday. we can take a closer look at the top imports to some of the ports that would be impacted by a strike to get an idea of what exactly would be caught up in the supply chain if the dockworkers started stopping unloading the containers. rootsy proxy cars, semiconductors and furniture may be getting conduct. and savannah bulldozers batteries and car parts and over in houston tv equipment air-conditioners and some commodities like iron and steel. and of course holiday season is top of mind for retailers. i got to speak with the ceo of balsam hill which is a major manufacturer of artificial christmas trees and he said if there's a strike he's worried his inventory may not be fully stocked for the season. listen.

>> definitely something that keeps our supply chain team and me up at night. i'm worried in particular that the government is not necessarily going to intervene because it's in the middle of an election year. >> even a brief strike would inflict some damage. for every 1 day of a strike it's estimated to take 3 to 5 days to get the goods back up and running through the supply chain so financial costs will quickly mount for all businesses that are moving through the supply chain even in the event of a brief strike. also back to. >> another christmas trees shortage say it ain't so. lydia thank you. but if there is it will help growers in north carolina. >> that's 1 way to look at it. great to be with you integrate week. >> i'm always looking for, you know, the lemonade and the lemon. set your dvr never miss america reports. will see monday and john roberts. >> i'm sandra smith. the story with martha stretching ou