goals. >> bret: 64 years ago today, then senator john f. kennedy and then vice president richard nixon took part in the first national televised debate. 70 million americans watched the two men tackle the country's biggest issues and the modern political landscape was changed forever. if you heard it on the radio you heard nixon one. if you saw it on tv many said kennedy won hands down. tomorrow on "special report" battleground stated polling from north carolina and pennsylvania remember. if you can't catch us live, set your dvr 6:00 p.m. in the east. 3:00 p.m. on the west coast. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight and every night. it's been a busy week. that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and still unafraid. remember, check out fox weather for the latest on hurricane hill helene. the engrat"the ingraham angle" . >> ingraham angle from

washington. we begin with a fox news alert. hurricane helene as strengthened to a category 4 storm with winds up to 130 miles per hour. it's expected to bring a potentially unsurvivable 20-foot storm surge and major flooding later tonight and the state's big bend region. we are praying for everyone in the storm's path in florida and we bring you the latest updates we will with reporters on the ground throughout this hour. but, first, should have stuck with joe. that's the focus of tonight's angle. now, for years, at public appearances, joe biden was repeating limbself, often speaking in gibberish. >> those were the words of ja john, ketanji brown jackson. >> repeat the line, will not bring israel -- will only bog down israel in gaza. >> laura: well, they are about to contract a wicked case of buyer's remorse over at the democrat party because the new

immember son swing state poll shows that every battleground is tied except georgia where trump is up by 2. the economy remains the number one issue in all of those states. and, of course, every poll shows that the public trust trump over kamala on the economy. and other key metrics that spell trouble for kamala and walz, well, gallup is showing that the g.o.p. has an advantage in party registration and republicans are making real inroads in pennsylvania. eroding the democrats' voter edge station edge there. democrats have never had such a small advantage there as they do now. and politico is reporting that internal polling shows that harris campaign is worried. read the piece words like jittery and warning signs are used. so, 40 days out from the election this is what kamala harris all the support they are getting from the press and huge money advantage gets the democrats?

a tie? which begs the question. is kamala really any stronger than biden would have been? and a few solo appearances she has done, the american people see, what a woman in charge? do they see a confidence smart leader with a bold vision? does she have a command of all the issues that matter or even does she know which branch of government authorizes spending? >> if you can't raise corporate tax as for g.o.p. takes control of the senate, where do you get the money to do that? do you still go forward with those plans and borrow? >> well, but we're going to have to raise corporate taxes. >> laura: okay. this was the friendliest of interviewers by the way and her goal was not to embarrass but to help harris and even then harris couldn't handle it. >> there are lots of americans who don't see themselves in your plans, for those who say these policies aren't for me, what do you say to them? >> well, if you are hardworking,

if you have the dreams and the ambitions and the aspirations of -- what i believe you do, you're in my plan. >> laura: another question, another tired cliche from kamala and a favorite new word. >> looking holistically at the connection between that and housing. and looking holistically at the incentives we in the federal government can create for local and state government to actually engage in planning in holistic manner that includes prioritizing affordable housing. >> laura: and just as trump's team could turn biden's own words into a compelling campaign commercial for him well last night's kamala's own words wrote their own ad for trump. >> you know home ownership for too many people in our country now is illusive, you know, gone is the day of everyone thinking they could actually live the american dream.

>> laura: she is too much of a dull ladder to realize that she trashed her own record there as vice president. or to take a few hours take history to tariffs which she has never bothered to do. >> tariffs are not unique to president trump. president biden has tariffs in place. is he actually looking to potentially implement more. where do you come out on this? is there a good tariff? a bad tariff? >> well, part of it is you just don't throw around the idea of just tariffs across the board. and that's part of the problem with donald trump. frankly, i'm -- and i say this in all sincerity, he is just not very serious about how he thinks about some of these issues. and one must be serious and have a plan. >> laura: one must be serious. and what would she know exactly about a serious plan? after all, she lies about hers. >> top economists in our country

from nobel laureates to people at moody's and goldman sachs have compared my plan with his and said my plan would grow the economy, his would shrink the economy. >> laura: well a few weeks ago goldman sachs came out and threw cold water on her claims calling them overstated a kind way of saying they are false. kamala keeps citing them anyway. why not? how is any of this is better than biden? when he gets lost, he loves filling time with sappy sentiment that sounds like it was written by chatgpt, same with kamala. >> we got to remember, we're the united states of america for god's sake. nothing, nothing, nothing is beyond our capacity when we work together. >> we are an optimistic people. americans, by character, are people who have dreams and ambition and aspirations. we believe in what is possible.

we believe in what can be. >> laura: that was another sit down with a buddy, i have to remind you. she couldn't answer the most basic questions about lowering the cost of living, and that star studded forum was supposed to help her but it didn't even with the kind of what's your favorite color type questions, kamala manages to sound like a total emboss sal. >> >> imbess sell. >> why is joy important to insert in this election. >> sometimes i think and i will say to whoever the young people are who are watching this. there are sometimes when adversary also try to turn your strength into a weakness. don't you let them don't you let them. i find joy in the american people. >> laura: that is my word of the day to describe her. kamala did great at the debate. if she did it's only because abc refused to fact-check her in real time she lied and then she

got away with it. >> donald trump the candidate has said in this election there will be a bloodbath. if this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking let's remember charlottesville and what did the president then at the time say? there were type people on each side. >> laura: lie, lie, lie, it's all the same, just like joe biden, she can read teleprompters. but, is this really that convincing? today she sounded like she was doing her best liz cheney, let's go to war impersonation. >> there are some in my country who would instead force ukraine to give up large parts of its sovereign territory who would demand that ukraine accept neutrality, these proposals are the same of those of putin. they are proposals for surrender, which is dangerous and unacceptable. >> laura: yes, and i found my

earring. in other words, if kamala wins, we are going to war with russia period, full stop. if she sat down with an interview with any competent person in five minutes i think he or she could force her into a corner saying madam vice president, if it's clear that ukraine has no chance of prevailing against putin as it increasingly looks like, do you intend to escalate the conflict even if that means putting american soldiers at risk in a war with russia? yes or no, ma'am? on all of these issues, she is far worse than biden. at least biden had his own views on issues like foreign policy. remember he slow walked the shipment of f 16s over to zelenskyy. her language today though was far more bellicose than biden's ever was. and that's just because she is a puppet of the war caucus. she doesn't care if we go to war with russia or not. it seems the democrats trade of

biden for kamala was a really really dumb move. she is just as cringe worthy on camera as he is. she can't explain her own economic policy and now she is running on a war with russia platform. this was not political genius by pelosi and company. and it may have been political suicide and that's the angle. joining me now kevin mccarthy former speaker of the house. speaker mccarthy, great to see you tonight. she is also now trying to run on an i'm tough on the border platform i'm sensing real desperation sinking in her camp how do you see things look tonight. >> i think if you look holistically at her career she is in trouble. every time she has a regular length campaign, she collapses remember she started out very strong running for president and never could make it to iowa. when you have a problem with the msnbc, stephanie ruhle tells you that you didn't even answer the

question, what do you think america and independent voters are actually thinking? think for a minute, if you go today's date, back four years ago, she is actually sitting 6.9% below the polling of where joe biden was. and i will tell you this, what i was told by some democratic congressional members that nancy pelosi, while she was trying to get biden out, she said we can't have kamala. she had lower polls than biden. she would be worse than biden. so she never wanted nancy to have kamala harris. she was advocating for somebody else. but she wanted biden out. and i think it's coming home to roost now. >> now, let's not forget that early voting begins today in illinois, north dakota, florida where they're facing that hurricane in michigan, so, mr. speaker, do you think americans now know enough about her based on even just this one

recent interview that even mainstream media people are clearly very unhappy with tonight? >> no. and you see it in polls. you saw if in one a couple weeks ago. 28% say they need to know more. 60 percent said they wanted change. what is most interesting to me what kamala harris would normally say. she is trying to claim every failure that she has, trying to say president trump was the incumbent. no, no, no, no. the american people remember what it was like to have a secure border, where you don't have illegals coming across, raping young women and killing them. you remember what it was like when gasoline gasoline when you didn't have inflation. there was more joy then because your dollar went further at the grocery store and the gas station. >> laura: well, again, it seems to me that this was such a big, big risky move to dump biden, but they thought they were being really clever and really smart, metrics we just went through a

few of them tonight. we will see what happens on election night. if they think this was some big slam dunk this three dimensional chess, i am not seeing it. i think biden would have been a much better candidate. mr. speaker, yes or no? exactly, yes e showed he was a better candidate. he showed he would be pulling 6-point #% higher four years ago than she is today. remember this, too think about foreign policy, she is the first person to try to pull weapons away from israel. she would not come to the floor when the prime minister bye-bye netanyahu was there to speak to the world. what did that say to iran? what did that say to hamas and the others? they began to question american support for israel. her foreign policy is backwards. her economic policy, she doesn't know. and when she has to speak without a teleprompter, nobody know what is she is saying. lawyers. >> laura: oh my god a total nightmare. mr. speaker, great to see you. fox news alert.

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country he walks away with $60 billion. billion. >> laura: turns out campaigning for kamala really does pay off. that's what the ukrainian president zelenskyy found out today because he is supplying back to ukraine with a new $8 billion u.s. aid package. remember they wouldn't give trump 5 billion for the wall? biden and harris green lit just a few days ago. >> isolation is not insulation. so then the united states supports ukraine not out of charity but because it is in our strategic interest. we will continue to provide the security assistance ukraine needs to succeed on the battlefield. >> laura: well she read that teleprompter today. it was the commander-in-chief. well, where is our commander-in-chief? wasn't he supposed to be doing that? joining me now house oversight committee chair congressman

james comer. congressman, president trump announced today he is going to meet with zelenskyy tomorrow morning. zelenskyy is trying to cover his bases after what happened in pennsylvania. zelenskyy might have to be going to trump to cut some kind of deal. official telling "time" magazine they hope trump's views on the war are not that settled and unpredictable nature could leaf room for position to swing ukraine's way. congressman, the democrat party is now running kamala harris as a pro-war with russia candidate. is that going to work? >> i don't think it's going to work. i think that the democrats that i knew growing up, they detested spending taxpayer dollars on wars. yet that's what the democrat party has become. it's amazing to see the

flip-flops that kamala harris has done just before our eyes in the last few weeks. she has changed on the border wall. she has changed on wanting to be a pro-war president. she has changed on taxes. every policy that she has come out with is totally counter to what the biden-harris administration has been about and what democrats have historically stood for. president trump has talked about recently and i'm sure this will be on front of mind when he meets with zelenskyy. if kamala harris is hell bent on escalating this war with russia. obviously not going well on the ground. david ignatius wrote a piece basically saying that the american voters need to know, do they not sir, this could mean that u.s. troops are committed in some way to this war because, look, failure is not an option. what exactly does that mean? that's important for voters to

understand. >> look how much money has been sent to ukraine. i will question what percentage of that money has made it to the battlefield. i don't trust ukraine. that he was why i voted against sending taxpayer dollars to ukraine. at the end of the day, it doesn't appear that ukraine is going to be able to accomplish their mission. privately without the help of american troops. i think that's an issue in this election. i don't think any american family their children and their neighbor's children be sent to this war when they are going to have to fight under the banner of ukrainian military leaders that seem to have a high turnover rate and, again, that are taking american taxpayer dollars and they are not being transparent with it. there was just a department of defense inspector general report that came out recently at the request of j.d. vance and myself that contradicts much of what the biden harris administration says about the money actually

making it to the battlefield. we still don't know where a lot of this taxpayer dollars are going and the fact that kamala harris just gave him another $8 billion, it's breath-taking. >> laura: was that a campaign event or not at the white house? certainly looked like one to me. >> it was a campaign event. and they use taxpayer dollars to fly zelenskyy into pennsylvania. that's where the election is going to be decided in pennsylvania. that's wrong. that's an abuse of power. >> imagine if trump did that with javier send michigan. democrats would be going insane if the shoe were on the other foot as usual. congressman, thank you so much. all right, the left's last ditch attempt to derail trump with lawfare, again. they are so desperate. they got to play their only card they have and that's next. ♪

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>> laura: team kamala running out of optionsment can't do a debate without assistance of moderators. obvious the desperate ploy i don't think americans are going to fall for. for the left that means one thing, back to the lawfare drawing board. judge tonya chuck can remember she through the book at the january 6th protesters, she ruled this week that special counsel jack smith can ignore the had 5 page limit for an opening brief in trump's election interference case, instead she says the government can file a monster sized one, i guess 180 pages. the deadline was to file was 5:00 p.m. today and now it's up to judge chutkan to decide how much of it we'll see. how much will be public and when we'll see it. but certainly all signs point to it coming out before election day in a hearing this week chuck

can said arguments trump's team has decided to make policy not to influence campaign politics in the two months before election day wasn't part of her job joining us now david schoen former trump impeachment attorney. federalist and fox news contributor. we also have new january 6th news. david, does it sound like they are going to try to, you know, put some of these selective pieces of this document out in the public before people to go to vote on election day? >> absolutely. that's the agenda jack smith has. there is absolutely no reason for this to be done before the election. and you can see what they do is put in long speaking indictments, which this one is and shouldn't have been done now either. use them for yard sail signs. prosecutor vs. felon for bogus case in new york where even judge merchan, trump hating judge put the case off until after election day. talk about informal 60 day

policy. people argue whether it applies or not. it's much more than that the department of justice manual expressly prohibits. this it says in section 9:85-500. federal prosecutors and agent may never select the timing of any action, including investigative steps, criminal charges or statements for the purpose of effecting any election or giving any advantage or disadvantage and any issue that raises even the perception of that has to be gone by the public integrity section. well, you know who is on jack smith's team the head of the public integrity section j.p. and mollie who i have a motion pending against. do you feel comfortable with consulting them as to whether this should have been done? specifically to effect an election. there is no question about it. >> holtly a house committee just released transcripts of interviews with senior pentagon leaders about january 6th, and directives from trump. chairman of the joint chiefs mark mele told the committee the president just says hey, look at this. there is going to be a large amount of protesters here on january 6th. make sure that you have

sufficient national guard or soldiers to make sure it's a safe event owe said i don't care if you use guard or soldiers active duty soldiers whatever you have to do make sure it's safe. acting secretary of defense chris miller responds by saying hey, we got a plan and we got it covered requesting national guard troops. house, leadership, senate leadership who were responsible for protection of the capital. we have the consistent situation president trump seeking security, which was completely against the false narrative that was set largely by that liz cheney-run january 6th show trial committee. they had all. this they had tons of testimony from many people. they knew that trump had asked for this and they willfully suppressed that information, which is one of the many reasons why that committee was so dangerous. but it's also. >> laura: go ahead, sorry.

>> no, you know, all of this information coming out against trump with this chutkan and jack smith they have been trying to rush this trial before the election blowing through every goal post. so clearly designed toward election interference just as that january 6th show trial was. >> laura: david, they wonder why americans are distrustful we will get into this in a minute when indictments roll out against political officials now. the corrosive effect of what they've done and you can take the framing of january 6th, what was done to all those protesters, ones who were not violent cover-up of details and operatives in the crowd. why don't they trust the institution? this is why. >> exactly. one after another disservice to the american people. just the composition of that january 6th committee, if you believed it was an important event to investigate, then you don't appoint as the chairman bennie thompson who sued

president trump personally saying he was injured in the event of january 6th and all president trump's fault. that was supposed to be investigative committee. one after another member of that committee was a sham that did a tremendous disservice. >> laura: mollie, really quickly, i want you to respond to my angle. my angle was basically the democrats made a big mistake by getting rid of biden. biden will turn out to be a better candidate than kamala, do you agree. >> that union poll that came out last week showing that the teamsters were supportive of biden as recently as july and then when they replaced him with kamala harris, that just slipped completely where have you like 60% of the teamsters supporting trump that indicates that at least when it comes to those working class mail voters in particular this may not turn out to be the switch that they were hoping it was going to be 3-d chess move david and mollie thank you. eric adams last night became the first mayor in new york history to be indicted hit with multiple federal corruption charges. prosecutors allege he was

involved in a years' long scheme to get foreign vacations, trips, and luxury vacations in exchange for favors. >> it's an unfortunate day and it's a painful day i look forward to defending myself and defending the people of this city as i have done throughout my entire professional career. >> do you think it's political. >> well, i think she should ask. >> i think it's political! >> we should ask those. >> we know it's political! >> thank you. >> laura: adams may be guilty, may not be guilty, that's up for a jury to decide. the fact that so many are questioning the government's motives here is itself an indictment of the biden-harris administration. as they said previous guest the left has destroyed our trust in government institutions, they created this mess. joining us now is rod blagojevich, former illinois governor. rod, you know a little bit about the politicization of our

justice system. this indictment is very detailed but until proven yard they are just charges you have read the online conservative voices assuming this is biden's political payback against adams about his against migrants what are you thinking tonight. >> everyone is entitled to a presumption of innocence. i don't know whether the mayor is guilty or not. is he entitled to that i'm also i would say all of us should have a healthy skepticism about whether or not can you believe this weapon of mass destruction prosecutors, we have been seeing what they have been doing to president trump. i don't think it's unreasonable at all to have a healthy skepticism about whether or not this is being done to the mayor who took on the establishment, as i believe i did as president trump did. he did by criticizing the biden administration about their mishandling of migrants. you know what they are doing to him now is basically, well he is being alvin bragged, he is being letitia james and fani willis and jack smith. that's my concern.

and yes, he also a a right to show his innocence and presumed innocent. when these people do what they do to owe elected official in a high place and do press conference like this prosecutor just did it's difficult to fight against. this because they the public against you. the good news is president trump has been fighting for the rule of law that more americans than ever before have a healthy skepticism and distrust of the doj, merrick garland's doj which really has become sort of like a mafia political hitman eric adams leaned into the narrative of distrust our institutions. >> need to federal prosecutors -- i don't know. you should ask them. >> laura: he says who gave the directive or the orders to pursue this case. rod, rod, i don't think we will every know that i'm still waiting for them to play 99% of

the fbi tape they are covering up in my case. i will say in this environment today give this mayor a fighting chance to fight back against these powerful weaponized prosecutors who have uncontrolled power and unlimited resources and who misuse and abuse the rule of law for political reasons, i would simply say that democrats and republicans, if you are republican and you don't like the democrat mayor, reserve your judgment. it's the rule of law that matters. we should love the rule of law and the constitution, presumption of innocence and be very skeptical of doj people who have already shown how dishonest they are. >> laura: rod, thank you so much tonight. >> thank you. >> laura: coming up, the trump campaign forced to change rally venues because of more problems with the secret service, if you can believe it, the details coming up. coming up. ♪ yeah,

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>> laura: this is a fox news alert. we are still tracking hurricane helene barreling towards florida's big bend region now a category 4 with winds up to 123. expected it make landfall in just the next few hours. fox weather meteorologist mike seidel is live from perry, florida with the very latest, mike? >> good evening, laura, here in perry gusting winds now gusting 125 miles per hour. take a look at the satellite loop. that's all you need to see.

this is a monster storm, large geographically storm lawrence said a cat 4. 15 to 20 feet. beaches got hit by a surge last year of up to 20 feet. and another one just a couple months three times in 13 months. makes landfall heavy rainfall and gusty winds, moving so fast nearly 25 miles per hour that winds could gust to hurricane force almost to the atlanta metro area. way up in north georgia along with flash flooding. widespread. some areas could see 10 to 15 inches of rain. so, laura, this is one of those hurricanes that many people are going to be talking about, not just here in florida but in georgia and carolinas. we will have flash flood issues. thousands will be without power if not millions. in florida already a quarter of a million customers have lost power and right here in perry the weather is going to go down hill very quickly and a matter of time before the power goes out. last year with adalja, which was a weaker storm, some of the folks without power up to nine

days. expect the power to go out, widespread tree damage and tremendous flooding and if you are flying in and out of the airports, including atlanta tomorrow, be careful and check ahead. going to have a impact on the not only the airport but the interstate in the panhandle of florida. batten down the hatches. take cover, we are staying away from the beaches tonight. that's no place to be. >> laura: no. mike, please stay safe. and we pray for minimal, if no loss of life in the area just horrific. all right, trump is moving his upcoming rally, it's a big outdoor rally in wisconsin. trump forced to move into smaller indoor venue. the secret service is shorthanded. why? all those diplomats at the u.n. general assembly. the ones who hate us. they have to provide security for all the foreign dignitaries

while here in the united states that includes countries like iran. and that means the secret service can't protect trump because they are busy protecting leaders of a country that might want to plot to kill him let that sink in. joining me is tulsi gabbard member of trump's transition team. tulsi apparently this administration's america's last policies now extend to the secret service. we seem to be prioritizing foreign dignitaries over perhaps the next president of the united states. how is that going to sit with the public? this is the example of america last. that shows the choice that we have between president trump's america first policy and kamala harris' america last policies and we are suffering the consequences of those. the question is who benefits from this decision. as you said president trump had to move to a much smaller venue. that means he has much fewer people that can go in and hear

him speak in a critical state like wisconsin. kamala harris benefits from. this decision that's coming from their administration. limiting his ability to reach people in a very critical time. how is this not election interference when kamala harris is the democratic nominee running for president secondly, you have president biden going out and announcing another $8 billion that he is going to give to zelenskyy. >> laura: scandal. >> zelenskyy and krohns were in ukraine as the v.a. tells us they don't have enough money. we have soldiers living in moldy barracks. families still displaced from that maui fire that happened well over a year ago. i don't know how they look at the american people, both kamala harris and joe biden and continue to lie and say oh, you know, i love my country and we are going to work from you when their actions tell us the exact opposite. >> tulsi, we are learning and the angle will be there at the second butler rally which is going to take place next

saturday can we be confident that former president trump will be protected there, given this wisconsin move? that's a big rally for him to finish the rally that he started on july 13th. will that happen? >> it's a special and powerful show of resilience and show of strength and fortitude on president trump's part, first of all and his commitment to the people there in butler, pennsylvania all eyes are going to be on that rally. we will see what the biden-harris administration does. i remain very concerned. clearly, time after time -- there have been multiple attempts on president trump's life at this point. and the fact that still they are making other priorities other than his safety and security should not allow any one of us to rest in complacency. >> laura: tulsi, you mentioned the issue with kamala harris and

zelenskyy. and obviously that looks so political today trying to make her -- build you her foreign policy cred, her military commander-in-chief cred, but i have never heard an american president, not since, you know, for decades when the soviet union was a direct threat to the united states sound as bellicose towards a nuclear power as she did today. i wonder if you could comment on that and how dangerous of a moment this is when with this future escalation of the situation in ukraine. >> it's the most dangerous moment of our lives, laura. we cannot under state the seriousness of the position that we air directly because of kamala harris and joe biden's foreign policy and their action, their decision. kamala harris is wholly unfit to be our commander-in-chief. she clearly doesn't know that we have servicemembers in combat zones at war today putting their

lives on the line. she clearly no, sir not care consequences of what nuclear armageddon would mean for all of us. all the american people and humanity in the world and she is joined by many neocons in doing so. lastly and in that bellicose language, laura, she is continuing to lie to the american people saying oh, first, you know, russia first it's ukraine and then the baltic countries and then it's poland and other countries and they want to take over the entire soviet union all over. there is no proof of this. there is no evidence of this. this is her spouting the talking points coming from the military industrial complex who want to continue to see liz cheney and dick cheney who want to continue to see billions of our taxpayer dollars taken out of the pockets of the american people and fed into these massive defense corporations and those who are profiting from war. never mind the fact that the american people are continuing to suffer and never mind the fact that they are escalating

this war that is killing people and puts us at greater risk. >> hundreds of thousands dead. and we are broke, other than that, tulsi, thank you so much. ahead, kamala claims she owns a gun but her campaign won't give us any details. why is that? ♪ (♪) whether you're moving across town or across the country, you can count on pods to deliver when we say we will. which is why we were voted america's #1 container moving company. book your move today at pods.com

>> will the real kamala please stand up appeared is she the real... >> or is she the san francisco d.a. that sponsored this legislation? >> san francisco voters passed what could become the nation's strictest gun ban, outline not only the sale of guns and ammunition within city limits but requiring just about everyone who isn't a cop, security guard or active military to surrender their handguns to police by april first. >> laura: that was overturned

by the courts thank goodness. joining me now is second in them and advocate... i don't really think it matters whether kamala has a gun or doesn't have a gun or nick -- or knows how to fire a gun what is she really believe about the second amendment given that legislation that she cosponsored? >> we know exactly what she believes because she's told you in the way she cosponsored the legislation appeared she also fought against the decision where the courts said you have an individual right to own a firearm and she fought back and said no, they don't have an individual right to own a firearm because this would somehow hurt our state and local laws with respect to gun laws. so kamala has a history of being exceedingly anti-gun. not just for assault weapons but for handguns period. >> laura: she spoke today about guns and the second amendment, watch. >> it is a false choice to

suggest you are either in favour of the second amendment or you want to take everyone's guns away. >> laura: what about that? it's a false choice. you can have gun safety and more of the monitoring by the federal government of individual sales or you sell a gun to your brothers. and you can still be pro-second amendment. >> that's not true at all. 1 thing we learned about them as politicians as far as the antigun lobby is if you give them an ancient able take a mild. they will say they want reasonable gun laws and as soon as they get those they move onto something else as is the case here. she wanted to ban handguns but now she will try to say i only want to ban ar-15s. they will do what they think they can get a way with and right now she thinks she can get a way with banning ar-15s and if she ever got that she would then move move on to handguns like she did in 2005. >> laura: california itself has moved aggressively on clip sizes, capacity.

it's always chipping away around the edges or during covid the price of ammo went way up and people thought that's our chance, we can limit the amount of ammo someone can buy. what do you say to african americans today, many of whom are arming up because they are worried about crime in their own cities. >> i will say this much i've been an advocate for quite a long time now and there are a lot of people who are gun owners who think it's okay to vote for kamala because she said the things that she set about owning a gun. she's the absolute worst when it comes to the second amendment she's worse than biden. anybody who's entertaining the idea of voting for her, don't. >> laura: thank you very much. cool hat. make sure to follow me on social media, cool stuff on instagram. jesse watters takes it from here. >> jesse: welcome to jesse watters prime time, tonight.

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