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vote and talking and listening with folks as i'm running for president to the united states. it's incumbent otes.n me to eare support as democrats took the black community for granted ford decades. n now the check is coming do. cnn is giving them a sobering reality check. >> at this hour if you believe the polling jumble put it the best of black voters since richard nixon's then amongri hispanic voters troublche but tm best performancean for republicn since 2004 with george w. bush and in the game more addictive with their excuses is stacy abrams is playing the trump is the racist cart and julie reidac is blaming white men and shef

doesn't believe thatco young blk men should have access to capitol. >> it's far too close as unfortunately we have a fascist groundswell in parts of the country. mainly among white men let's be clear but in small pockets among black and brown men as well. it becomes a phenomenon as women are more economically independent and assume positione of j power. >> she got me, m i'm behind the whole thing how did she know?ea >> the quest -ni- the thing iss she's losing ground and everybody knows it and something to taken for granted for the longest time and when you see

individuals as groups you only go toward them when you need them her proposals include forgivable loans andhe legalization of weed.om that's umop appealing to thebr lowest common denominatoibr essentially bribing them.? if you pay off a forgivable loan you are done ms. harris. free money and free weed. that's kind of racist you wait another week offering 40s of old english and new ports. >> i love new ports.o. free stuff and drugs. that will get them and that will by them opportunity. get that's racist? it's also racist to expected nonblack people to pay for theon black persons loan because who else is going to pay for that i it's forgiven?

it's not forgiven just shiftedsf over to somebody else's burden. to the thing is this is the mie you're looking individuals notn as people but as groups and if they for think they're leaving you it's. about identity and tht identity must be exploited so they play up these racial tropen and white guy could want to have real weed. legalization of lead forgivablet loans for their car is just a bright. one thing about joy read she said it's abandonment by blacks happening despite the hitlerit talk. it's actually happening because of the hitler talk. nobody is buying it. it's hysterical and insultingd when you bring up hitler and the damaging things happening right

now there is polling among young people that hitler had goodid ideas anead the reason for thats you lowered the bar of whatre hitler could be compared to.no and people are going you see that bad i keep hearing about them all the time.d jesse said thatht the other dayn the green room. >> harold you are the othert th lawyer at this table. bribing or trying to have peopll to vote for her and this woman is a lawyer a former d.a. and attorney general it's unconstitutional there. it's a violation of civil rights act and is discrimination on th e color of your skin and what's wrong with you. come up with a good idea. >> 's not bravery. you can't single out a group tot get the preferential governmental treatment that civil rights laws even if some bicycles get it to blix when

it's designed to reprotect them that's what's unconstitutional so if you give it every small business which i would hope that's what she means when she said she would provide that. it would've been easier to say that. >> should we take her at her word?re >> agree feuds ande constitutional you can't do that. the relayed it would be to say to small businesses first hundred thousand dollars revenuv generated no taxes on it. is it a barbershop owners ofowne whatever races you say mechanic owners of whatever you race isos e in the heat and air conditionr base to get a tax-free i think she's trying at some level we'ro in this table and i've been part of it in critical for not doing some of the outreach includings going onan certain media outlets forth congrats to brett baer and our network forgettingd her. she should have done hav it soot i thin ak as we think about the closing argument she is l leveling. i watch president from todayeven

chicago with an amazing speechwa and so many ways because it was all over the place asking questions by a questionnaire ana he said things i didn't necessarily agree with but i think voters should tune into c all of this because the closingh argument o on both of their behalf's given by both of them will give us an even stronger sense of how they plan to govere depending on who's elected. v i doic hope she will focus more and things t i think are importt for every voter will make things more expensive i think terrace make things more expensive say that an ex-plain people that clothing and gas and cars forga that matter food everything that's essential the terrorists. will make everything worse. trump thinks he is a strongen argument about this i don't she needs to make that cased everyy voter novot just black voters bt every voter across the spectrum. >> dana is the pull swing in trump's direction the democrats are desperate and i think it's s

evident from theom step she's offering. one thing shone is promoting is focusing on health issues that affect black men. they want to focus on and i'm tired of asking the same question. she wants to focus on it january first of 2026.er can't she hear that she's not focusing and anythin g you're saying anything. being effective. >> you do have to wonder what you've been doing for three and a half years as a white house and this is the best you can come up with somethingn unconstitutional.ag and they'raie making that call promises and their empty.sp we're atag the desperation stago and pro spaghetti up the walls stage. and going back saying obama said about black men. it's because she's a woman thatt you don't want to vote for her.c

but black k men were already pulling away for the democrats for some time during the bidensh administration. what was obama going to say ifso biden was still the nominee you don't want to vote for them because of ageism what was thesh excuse that? what she will not talk about an' democrats are talking about and republicans aren't enough either. the 20,000-dollar loan you want0 to gif lt everybody. we don't you try to figure out i way to fix can a garden throughc grade 12 education. you have men and women from all the schools across the country t read or write at grade level. and it give a student loan there. and then you promise to meet they will forgive the debt. it's a terrible vicious cyclefi and if she wants to fix the root cause that's what they can focus

on. >> it's not just black men it is men and the teamsters. it's men who don't find her acceptable and don't like when obama comes out to lecture themt on what theyhe should or shouldt consider? >> they have scolded you and scared you and tried to bribe you. they wan wt to save he wants to protect black guys. the same people upset about that haven't cared about harris saying here's legalized drugs.ue only make you better if you're s ski instructor or musician. all successful people i know doesn't do well when they are. high. maybe some people around this table think that but other than that it doesn't help people. e other week.h if they are putting crack pipepe vending machines in black neighborhoods that's offensive.

and that is what harris is doing right here. i forgivable loan is a welfare check. >> that's a 20,000-dollar welfare chec k to a black entrepreneur. what are the altercations how black do you need to be equally also which is it mean to be a jatinder. you have a website? you have a mowing schedule?th a a black eye with a lemonade stand hunting for houses gets 45 grand free cash because it woul5 give 25 free cash to first-time home buyers. that'ssh reparations. she's de eyes santa claus. the blacks get cash, the college grads get it, illegals get the sex change operations. t it.ners ge that's a lot of cash. d that is what dictators do to proppr themselves up around to their loyalists with no regard to the deficit and no regard to

the future. we've unmasked these democrats.i prosecuted theirva rival and i m disappointed. i want tax cuts for everybody across the board see what i did, everybody is equal. >> i want to any thousand for everybody. >> comin g up trump walks intoto the liberal medi ta lion's den d schools a hostile reporter.

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♪ ♪ >> gre donald trump taking a jackhammer to a hostile reporter vigourously defending his tarifo plan and other policies whileof speaking at the economic club of chicago. it's an interview that by thent way harriser refused to do when invited. m >> the most beautifuosl word in the dictionary is tariff it's my favorite wart. it needs a public relations term. >> eleven serious effect on thle overall economy. >> a massive positive effect. it must be hard for you to spend 25 years talking about tariffs and have somebody explain to you are totally wrong. the higher the tariff the more likely the company is the company will come in the sta united states and build a factory in the united states.

>> your policies are going to t drive up debt and inflation and interest rates. are the investors wrong? y >> i hadea four years and no inflation. gavin newsom the governor of california. >> good to see piers morgan g doing well. a anndd the i fell into a prison f two ideas where it's bad where it's good but actually a tariff is a tool can you explain to us when tariffs are good and whend they are bad i want you to to talk. about tariffs. >> i will talk tariffs and it's the last time i'm talking about it for the rest of the week. i doubt it will be

across-the-board on ever y singleat import h. what he did during the lasted administration is threatening tariffs against mexico andnst canada and we renegotiated nafta. basically you come out strong with a big a gambit and shore up negotiating position. he did it with the japanese and the south koreans and we got two bilateral trade agreements witho that country on our terms.fi is the first president to do that ian a long time. joe biden kept those tariffs on. the european union slept tariffs on chinese electric cars.th we know both of tariffs on chinese electric vehicle so them can't dump cheap electric vehicles into the united states and crusher industry. that's smart. tariffs aren't a silver bullet i don't want harold to put words in my mouth not the tariff man the trump is but if you want to pay down debt if you want a sharp social security andth

medicare i would rather do that with tariffs then tax hikes lease with tariffs you have a choice you could buy american and sharp social security and medicare or they raze your taxeh you never choice at all don't give me anything about economist harold because as you know economists predicted nine of the last five recessions that was an economist joke by the way can tell by that laughter. harold iupro go to you you hurts argument it's not necessarily a swiss army knife it's a tool that can be used in variousas places a as a negotiating tactic seems reasonable to me. >> a gift jess give grid unlearg thi e issue as tariffs have been an inflationary anything you put on. your argument you don't do it, you doyo it selectively not with the broad sweeping brush thatn trump often sounds like he wanti

to. today he said he would use asl. negotiating a bargaining tool as he think s about things but one thing we know for certain if you put tariffs on things it does t drive prices up.he bu pt to your credit the one thg i didn't hear trump asked vice president harris and theiri debate which is think would hae been a legitimate question thatma she shouldte have had an answero what is why did you keep the terrace we had in place. some of those tariffs as ite relates to china or goods don't want to flood our market with because they are trying to cutha undercut major u.s. industries in that regard you're correct. when h ie says he'll put it to a percent tariff and everythingo coming out of mexico that's just wrong. pierpoint i assume you to wouldn't do in the sweeping wayo he hasse said he would but i wot put words your mouth. mouwhat observations and one ty said he gave president biden

wozeroul inflation he also inhed zero inflation from obamabama because interest rates were basically at zero when he got into offices well. with president trump not being able to take a stronger position as i would hope you would take against tiktok. nobody ithn the country disputes even those who don't know if they want to make them sell or not. nobody disputes china is taking information from our childrendr and userens of tiktok. no u.s. social media company has led to operate in china. and we have a bill beforewe congress and they don't sell to the u.s.tr the company it will d bye-bye. docs with a country like we're the best. we have five multitrillionmark dollars when president trump waw in office one of the lead

indicators of economic growth is the stock market.. we have two economies the rich and everybodany else. o figure it everything else. >> let me sum up what harold said, abu. the judge? >> i'm no economist but i know a couple of things.gs stocks perform better undered trump than b they did under bid. >> they are record right now. >> yeah, given the performance over the period of time better under trump than biden that was in the package. second of all trump made it veru clear using tariffs to leverage businesses to bring business into thes united states so thee can be manufacturing in the country and did it with steel when president. and you are correct when you sae that the tariffs have been in existence and nobody is sai complaining you're saying bidenn should get rid of them arethem harris should have got rid of them nobody said that. and thnoe last thing i want to y

the real it attacks on american people's spending by congress. c when congress spends more than the taken through taxation we end up paying for it. you can talk about tariffs all you want or something may buy this or another brand i wouldin have things madegs in america ed of story. but also taxes reflect the wholn the government puts itself and by spending. >> for someone who is not an economist is that you sounded okay. >> last word to yopru dana. >> with harris and tim. they are saying the economy will be worse under trump and saying one of the bank said it but even at an event yesterday this it wf can't afford four more years of this. agrees same. one thing people haven't touched

on one is energy cost where youi have coal-fired plant that's going to fire back up because google and meta needed further w aiha manufacturing or whatever they do with the magic wand they have and if we have more energy we will be able to do that. you think we get energy out of the sun?>> g >> didn't google just purchased a nucleagor power plant in pennsylvania, in-your-face dana. >> it was microsoft. >> that was fun. i apologize.u >> we read thean packet. >> it wasn't id in the packet. >> enough out of you kids up next harris could be cackling her way onto a joe rogan podcast.

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♪ ♪ >> dana: it's the power of the podcast. they are his team is reportedly intoxicant kamala harris on joe rogan's popular show that would be to try to get those undecided male voters were leaning towards trump in case you haven't noticed, the candidates have been hitting up some nontraditional media to get their voices heard. >> other mothers i believe were hugging their kids. oh, honey, what can i do? my mother, the first thing, what did you do? >> jimmy kimmel. you've got to make them great again. >> jimmy kimmel is a loser. >> had it or hate it, donald trump. >> totally had it. >> we used to go to the clubs. >> i'm good with names. pocahontas.

>> dana: i'm a podcast enthusiast. i use it -- i listen a lot and i think this is a pretty good development for everybody. the more the better. what does kamala have to do to try to change the race? she's going to come on fox with bret baier. >> judge jeanine: i love the idea of her going on joe rogan. aren't his podcasts a couple hours? what makes anyone think she could get through two to three hours without repeating yourself over and over again? but i think it's almost a recognition that they realize that everything is trending against them. they've got nothing to lose at this point. remember, joe rogan. trump talked about going on joe rogan first. i think this is kamala kind of following up. joe rogan has got big male audience so that's a smart move. also he's a big-time supporter of rfk, who is into health and into, you know, all of these issues about, you know, whether

it's vaccine and it's the fda and all that. i think in the end it smart if you can do it. if she can't do it, it can put it, he can finish her. it's very different from "the view." everybody goes, you're wonderful, you're wonderful. joe rogan is totally different. >> dana: on "the view" you have a studio audience cheering you on. >> harold: i agree with the judge. this is going to be a great test. we have rightly said it we've been critical of some of the things she's not done. the fact that she is doing this i think is a great thing for the race and a great thing for those who listen. i don't listen to a lot of these podcasts. after listen to one or two and get it feel for what she's saying but in the 90 minutes she got on stage, i think she beat president trump in the campaign. listen to him, the name-calling has got to stop.

one of the things they were in his campaign, i can't imagine that the haley supporters in these key states find it appealing. you're trying to appeal to such a small group of voters at this moment including vice president harris if she thinks about this, you've got to think that what are you saying to convince that group to come to you at the very end in the six or seven states? i'm not sure that the name-calling, calling jimmy kimmel a loser is not the right thing. there was one thing, the economic club of chicago. president trump was asked by the bloomberg editor in chief. talking about world leaders. prime minister netanyahu, viktor orban, zelenskyy. he asked, have you spoken with president putin? he said i'm not going to talk about it. has president trump thinks about these things, i'm trying to get balls and strikes called.

i think long and hard about how you present that here in the last few weeks. >> greg>> dana: we are going tok about this issue but i think it president trump were to go on riley gaines' podcast and blog about protecting women's sports, that could get a lot of names. >> greg: it's the one area that kamala has skated by. i can't wait to here somebody -- prepare -- what is a woman? she promoted the sex change of a double murderer, a guy who murdered a couple to get a sex change. he got it of the california taxpayers. you know what rogan is to kamala harris? he's the next-door neighbor who supports trump but he has a swimming pool you really want to use. and boy, it's hot out and she needs that swimming pool. because she's drowning. it's a mixed metaphor.

doesn't really work. this is the first time she's getting outside of her padded cell and she's like one of those patients that live in a plastic bubble. the boy in the plastic bubble, john travolta, classic film. she lacks the immune system to go outside, to survive in reality. meanwhile, trump can sit with rogan for four hours because his whole life is been nothing but casual and intense interactions which has built up his main system. her media coddling has afforded her no immune system and that's why you see her repeating things a lot. she hasn't been pushed. she doesn't push yourself. if you are a dude and you say you're thinking about voting for kamala, we know what you're saying. you're either voting for trouble or you're not voting. a dude who couldn't get up and go out of his way alone to go vote for that is going to have to be dragged by his wife or his girlfriend. like she's taking him to little affair.

no guy goes to the little affair on their own. no guy goes to a craft shop on their own. harold. >> jesse: is that true? >> greg: dudes can't vote for kamala and feel like a dude. harold, you know this. we talked about this in the green room. >> harold: i have a bunch of guy friends. >> greg: no, you don't. >> harold: are republicans and they have daughters and sons that are of age voting. the they voted for president trump in '16 and they said they can't do it because they can't tell their kids something -- they can't lie to their kids and they're going to vote for kamala harris. >> jesse: you have republican friends who are voting for kamala? the you do not. that is the biggest lie you've ever told. i want to meet them. give me the number! >> dana: i wanted to mention one thing. on some of these policy podcasts, some of the podcasts

gone deep into policy. trump was talking about health care transparency but i can't remember the name, he told the story about how he got mad at don jr. for bringing home too many kids for a party. >> greg: andrew schultz. >> dana: one of those things where, if you can pull it off, it can work out for you. >> jesse: usually the best podcast guest are an expert in the field, they can go deep. a comedian who could just be entertaining the whole time, or a great storyteller. kamala harris is none of those things. rogan is not a conservative. he's more of an independent. he's not going to go out and throttle him. what he will do is he will ask basic follow-up questions like well, what did you mean by that? or, tell me how that's going to work. >> dana: because he's got time, he doesn't have to jump ahead. >> greg: that's the thing. they are going to limit the time to under an hour because they

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>> jesse: kamala harris sitting down for a town hall with charlamagne tha god. when pressed if she supports reparations, she sidestepped and says it needs to be studied. here is defending her constant repetitive answers. listen to this. >> what you say to people who say you stay on the talking points? >> i would say you're welcome. here's the thing. repetition is important. for that reason, yes, at my rallies i say the same thing when i go to detroit as i do in

philly as i do wherever i am to make sure people here and receive what i think are some of the most critical issues at stake in the election. >> jesse: how is that answer? >> dana: i'm just thinking, what is going to happen if somebody says they are against reparations? i actually don't know what she really thinks. telling somebody that it needs to be studied means you don't want to answer the question. that's what they always do. let's study it some more. you know what you actually think you just don't want to say because you're afraid. why are you so afraid you're just an answer the question? >> jesse: jeanine, she said she repeats everything over and over again because she needs to drill it through the dumb public's head. >> judge jeanine: i'm not sure she understands the question. question was why do you repeat things in her answer is repetition is important whether i'm in detroit or philly or above what wherever i am." i think she took it to mean she

gives the same speech in detroit that she gives in philly that she gives wherever i am. it's not even sinking in her head that she repeats herself over and over in the same speech. because the answer to that would be "because i think the american population is stupid." >> harold: it's a practice in politics. when you get tired as a tentative saying something, it means the public may have heard it once or twice. i think i understand what she's saying and i think i understand what you're saying. you're saying she repeats herself in her speeches and she would argue i do it because of that reason. president trump doesn't. president obama did it. president bush. president clinton. it's a feature of the notion that she is -- i've heard a couple theories that african american men not voting for her might be sexist. i don't think that's the case. that they think she locked up

too many criminals. i love her record as a prosecutor, i love her record not only as a prosecutor, people who try to commit crimes coming into the country. >> judge jeanine: did she have a first seat at a criminal case in a courtroom. how do you know to record his? >> harold: you just said, in your own opening you said she locked up 2,000 men, didn't you. >> judge jeanine: that is and what she is saying. i'm saying that you like her record? that's a question by charlamagne tha god. my question to you is if she such a great prosecutor why she never first cede a criminal case. >> harold: i'm talking about -- black men are saying. >> jesse: it sounds like you guys agree. greg, you had charlamagne tha god on your show. what he think he's going to deal

with this interview? >> greg: i think he learned a lot from doing my show. he observed an expert at this. i'm going to finish my thought went for a guy, for a guy voting for kamala is like getting a massage from a dude. >> jesse: and that is not acceptable? >> greg: that is not acceptable. you brought up, when they say about reparations, needs to be studied, that's all they want. the activists just want the gravy train to themselves so they could have conferences, more lunches, may be a business-class flight to austin, texas. it's great in this meantime, could have a conference there. this is what newsom did in california. just keep kicking the can down the road because while you're kicking it, you're also paying people who are on the committee. on the committee to assess reparations. if it happens and if it happens in your state, you've got to

move. you just have to move. you shouldn't be paying for somebody else's deeds whose not alive. that's war. no one's make me do that. >> jesse: we want to clarify if there is a woman, it's okay if she gets a massage by man? >> greg: no. [laughter] yes of course. >> jesse: very complicated. male masseuse, even if he is the other one available. shut up, dana pittard up next, the media having a meltdown after trump turns at a into a concert. ♪ ♪

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♪ this is a man's world ♪ >> play ymca, let's go, nice and loud. >> harold: judge. i hope that the medical emergencies, everything was okay. what are your thoughts on president trump's dancing to james brown james brown and ymca? >> judge jeanine: i truly believe that's from his own list of songs because i've heard them before. there were two people who needed medical attention apparently because it was so hot there. i am sure he was trying to bring some levity into things and honestly i think he's been going nonstop for a long time and he enjoys music and he did and it's okay. he's not scripted. this is donald trump. >> harold: i wasn't trying to say he was glossing over. i know he was concerned about it. you are big into music, jesse. what are your thoughts? >> jesse: i thought it was nice. just a bunch of people in the room listening to music.

kamala's crowds don't want to listen to music with her. people want to be in the room, listen to music, it's a nice pivot for the medical emergency. i thought it was nice. i thought it was different. they said he has dementia because he was dancing. but when biden was frozen at their june team concert, they said he was perfectly fine. >> harold: dp. does this happen at your household question like >> dana: just dancing? not a lot. i think the difference between kamala harris and trump, people are happy to be there. they will sit there for 40 minutes and listen music and hang out. they were just glad to be not only in his presence but in each other's presence. it's a difference that you see from his events. some of the kamala harris events recently have been a little bit more robust but he gets it everywhere he goes. >> harold: what would you say, greg? >> greg: i don't know. [laughter] i can't think of anything really.

just still wondering about stuff. >> jesse: you're thinking about tariffs? >> greg: a man cannot vote for kamala. it's like a man trying on his wife's clothes. >> jesse: i do that just to be funny. i will see her bra on the floor. [laughter] >> harold: let it go. >> harold: one more thing is up next.

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♪ >> judge jeanine: it's time now for "one more thing." greg? >> greg: all right. tonight we have a banger of a show. jamie lissow, mollie hemingway, timpf and tyrus tonight at 10:00. let's do this. in your face, harold. you know, there is a special species of chamelia flower.

scientific name is harold page. it's a beautiful, beautiful flower. find it mainfully oakland where it originated and it is a favorite snack of lemurs. sometimes i wish lemurs would descend down into our studio and eat harold. i would not help harold. i would watch the lemurs tear him limb from limb feeding off his raw flesh while i shout go lieberman go liebelemur go. >> you wrote go lemur go. >> judge jeanine: how do you spell lieberman? >> long-term. lemur.>> battle for the black v. 8:00 p.m. eastern. >> judge jeanine: i'm not doing anything tonig us tonight, make sure to follow me on social media. jesse is next. >> jesse spoken to and i