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targets. the dow jones was up 370 pointsq yesterday with the dow jones ahead 70. the latestdent fox news poll has former president donald trump up two nationally overhe vice president harris among likely voters flipping their two-point edge in september. now to my exclusive interview with vice president harris. madame vice president think for the time. >> it's good to be a few brett. >> voters tell pollsters over the country in here and pennsylvania immigration is one of the key issues they are looking at this electionimmi specifically the effects of legal immigrants from more than 150 countries. how many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has released into the country over the last threef and a half years? >> i'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because it's a topic of discussion the people want to have.

and you know what i'm going toi? talk about. >> she thicket>>s 1,000,000, 3 million. >> brett let's get to the point. the point is we have a brooch -- a broken immigration system that needs to be repaired. >> your homeland securityt: secretary. >> we have a is a n immigratione system. >> 6 million people released into the country i would get to the question. >> is beginning to answer.ed >> when you came a to office yor administration immediatelycant reversed a bunch of trumpl aborted policies most significantly a policy that required illegal immigrants to be detained for deportation either in the united states orro mexico. you switched that policy andstea release people from custodye awaiting trial.co instead included in those were large numbers of adult men who went on to commit heinous crimes. so looking back do you regretat the decision to terminate remain

in mexico at the beginning of your administration? >> at >> ms. harris: within hours of taking the oath the first bill that we offered congress before we worked on infrastructure ands the inflation reduction act and the chips and science act before the bipartisan safer communitiec act. the first bill practically within hours of taking the oatht was a builder the immigration system. >> yes, ma'am, it was called the u.s. citizenship act of 2021. essentially a pathway to citizenship. >> may i please finish i f responding. you have to leinist me finish. >> at the white house the housen teand senate. >> i'm trying to respond to the point you are raising and i would like to finish. >> yes, ma'am,. >> we recognized froem day one o the point of this being your

first question it is a priorityd for us as a nation and for the american people." focuses on fixing a problem and from day one we have done a number of things including to address our side -- asylum system with more resources andir for more judges and doing whatrl we need to do to tighten up t penalties for illegal crossings. what w e needed to do to dealbetw with points of entry between the border that's work we did ma also worked on supporting what was a bipartisan effort including some of the mostengt conservative members of the united states congress to. actually strengthen the border. that border bill would've put 1500 more border agents at thedh border which is why i believed the borderus patrol agent supported the bill. it would've helped to slow the spread of fentanyl which is apl

scourge affecting every geographic location in our country and killing people.mo it would've allowed us to put more resources depressed gettinl transnational common organizations which i have done> as former attorney general of a border state. and donald trump. six >> six democrats voted against it. >> trump told him tore kill it because he preferred to run a, problem instead of fixing a problem in this election this it rightly a discussion thes an american people want to have them what they want ourng solutions and the president tott the united states who is in playing political games with thn issue but his focus sing on that. >> 's been six democrats votedod against it and it would've ledis 1.8 million illegal immigrantsle in them country so a lot of conservatives had a problem with it as did six democrats but more importantly to the original premise.

there are a bunch of young womee who were brutally assaulted ande killed bley some of these men wo were released at the beginning of the administration will before a negotiated bipartisan bill. former president bill clinton said ittedf those men were prop vetted she would probably not of been killed.ha so it wouldn't have happened.s that is will before any negotiation or before donald trump got involved into politics this is a specific policy decision by your administration to release these men into the country so it him saying is to you of thoses families and apology?e >> let me say first of all thoso are tragic cases. there is no question about that. no question and i cannot imagine the pane that the families of those victims have experienced. all of this for a loss that should not have occurred.

so all of that is true. bua t it's also true that it it had been past nine months ago ir would be nine months where weer would've had more border agentsf at the border. more support for the folks working around the clock trying to hold it all together to ensure that no future harm would occur. and this election and 20 days will determine whether we have a president of the united states e who actually cares more aboutno fixing a problem even if it isn't to their political advantage in an election. there was a solution brett.t. >> bret: was a policy decision at the early part of their administration will at one of the mothers talk about it. >> because of the biden-harris administration border policieset catch and release they wereey enrolled in the alternatives to detention program released intol

the united states it wasn't even a full three weeks later theyif took me.y daughter jocelyn's lia >> vleet the biden of administration open border policies responsible for the death of my daughter.po >> that's thnse early days so do you owe them an apology is what i'm saying. >> i am sorr sy for their loss i am so sorry for her loss. sincerely let's talk about what is happening right now with an individual doesn't want to purchase up in solutions. let's talk about that as well. in all fairness i told you a feel awful for what she and her family of experienced you and you said repeatedly the border was secure.mi when indn your mind did it beco. a crisis? >> we've had a broken immigration system transcending the trump administration even before that let's be honestab about that. no pride in saying this bee

is a perfect immigration system i have been clear and i think wo all have. it needs to be fixed.or dei was just a down at the bordr talking with border agents and o they will tell you and i'm sure you investigate and you are a serious journalist right. they will tell you we need more judges. we need to process those cases faster. we need support for those cases to be prosecuted. they need more resources and th, congress is ultimately the only place that gets fixed that's ho> the system works.es >> that's the premise the renty. 90 plus executive orders rescinded many of those trump border policies. i don't stay here too long because there's other things too talk about we talked to the border patrol union for support on the bill and they did support it.lu but it they also endorsedwh donald trump and saiy d you area failure with border security wh.

do you think they said that? >> i think they are frustratedtu and i get it. they want support. they want to support and that's what that border security bill would have done.rkin these men and women at the border working hard working around the clock.he rei get. >> love people look at what yous said andt to me 19 and their on changes and you talked about some of them. when it comes to immigration yoa supported allowing immigrants in the country illegally to apply for a driver's license anded i qualify for free tuition at? universities in a role in free health care do you still support that? >> thallowt was five years ago o i've been clear i will followan the law and i've used that statement all over again and as vice president of done that not to mention before. >> if that's the case you chose her running mate who did sign those very things into state law. so do you support that?

>> we are clear and i am very clear as is tim that we musttl support and enforce federal law and that is exactly what we wilb do. >> so decriminalizing border crossings like you saived andcrs 2019? >> i don't believe i n the criminalizing border crossings and i haven't done that as vice president nor would i do as president. per >> was clearly only person running for president who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations from thme similar work cartel to the guadalajara cartel to people who have been trafficking guns and m drugs in human beings. i spent a significant part of my career going after people who present a threat to the safety of the american people and across our border with the intent of doing us harm and cross it illegally and i will do that work as vice president i

take that quite seriously. >> bret: this is a time when voters are inundated with commercials and adds they want to stop because it's every commercial but many of them have noise but a few of them seem to break through this particularum one for the trump campaign hastn gotten a lot of attention. >> harris supports taxpayer-funded changes for prisoners. >> for prisoners.in evermay transgender inmate in te prison system would have accessi >> are you still support using taxpayer dollars to help those detained illegal aliens transition to another gender?te >> i will follow the law and it's a law donald trump actualll followed. you ary fae probably familiar as it's now a public report that under donald trump's administration these surgeriesae were available on medical f necessity basis to people in thf

federal prison system and iig n think the ad from the trump campaign is like throwing stones and a glass house. >> bret: the trump aides sayn he never advocated for it withhi none happening during his h administration theisy make you have to take responsible to what happened during your administration. package advocated using taxpayeo dollars in this? law >> i will follow the law. >> you would have a say as president. >> he spent $20 million on a the adds trying to create a sense of fear in voters because he actually has no plan in this election that is about focusing on the needs of the american people. whereas $20 million on the ad for an issue as it relates to the biggest issues that affecty the american people it's quite remote and again his policy was

no different. look at where we are the i'm offering a plan to deal withng affordable housing i'm offering a plan to deal with fully need to do to strengthen smallom businesses which arey. the i backbone of the american economy offering a plan about takingm th care of young parents and givint them the support they need. my plahan willve strengthen the economy as has been reviewed by 16 nobel laureates inwa goldman sachs anlld recentlyte "the wall street journal" of the study their plans and indicated my plans for our economy wouldhi strengthen it will his would make them weaker and invite a recession by the middle of next year those are the facts nobody think more people said they t trust him on the economy than t they trust you? >> i think when you look at an analysis of our plans for what we would do is president of theo united states i think it's been clear to those who study and understand how economic policymi

works moving forward as i dothe believe the american people ready to turn the page on the device of nests and rather wrecr which has come out of donald trump people ready to chart a new way forward theyd want a president who has a plan for the future in a plane which is sound and we'll strengthen our country.tl my plan for the economy does be, exactly that his plan would beot to give tax cuts to billionaires and the biggest corporations in the country and blow up the deficit. >> you asked on photo differento shows what if anything you woul do differently than president biden and you said ths following. >> would you have done signed differently than president bide? during the past four years?he >> there isn't are thing that comes to mind and i've been a part of most of these decisions that have had impact. >> under harris administration what would the major changes be and what would stay the same gray. bc not joe biden so

that would be one change but also i think it's important to say with 28 days to go not donald trump. t joe bidenur no under donald trump nothing comes to mind he would do differently >> lemay be clear my presidency would not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency. like every new president that comes in to office i will bringh my life experiences in my professional experiences and fresh and new ideas. i represent a new generation of leadership.c. for example i've not spent thein majority of my career in washington, d.c. i invite ideas whether it's from republicans who were supporting me or just on stage with me minutes ago and the businessde sector as well as others who can actually contribute to the f decisions i make about my plan for increasing the supply of

housing in america and bringing down the hot cost of housing. dress and issue a small businesses which is about working with the private sectorm toal bring more capital and accn to capital to our small business leaders including a plan for a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time home buyers and small businesses extending ther: tax reduction up to $50,000. >> we heard about those plans ir recent days your campaign slogan is a new way foreword and how it's time to turn to page. e and ace president thre half years what are you turning the pageal from? >> first of all turning the page from the last decade in which we have been burdened with the kind of rather wreck from donald trump that has been c designed and implemented to divide our country and haveac americans point fingers at each other. rather wreck and alen approach o leadership suggesting the strength of the leader is based on who they beat down instead of

what we all know that the strength of leadership is based on who you lift up. the strength of than american president one who understandse the vast majority of us have more in common than what vic separates us. >> more than 70% of people. >> it's rather wreck that people are exhausted of brent. >> more than 70%ry of people tel the country is on the wrong track. the country is on the wrong track. that's on the wrong track that track follows three and a half years of you being i vice president andre president biden being president. that's what they are saying 79% why are they saying that if you are turning the page you been id office three and a half years? >> and donald trump has been running for office forever. >> we both know what i'm talking about we both know what i'm a talking about. >> i don't. >> him talking about how over the last decade people hadt

become... listen over the last decade it's clear to me and certainly the republicans on stage with me the former chief of staff to the president who donald trump the former defenset secretary's national security advisor and as vice president that he's unfit to serve andy's unstable dangerous that people are exhausted with someone who professes to be a leader whode spends his time demeaning init engaging in personal grievances and debating about him instead of the american people and people are tired of that. >> if that's the case why doesbt half the country support. why is he beating you and a lott of swing h states if he's as bad as you say. wise half of the country supporting this person who could be the 47 president to then el united states wise that s happening? >> this is a presidential election it's not supposed to b

easy. it's not supposed to be a cakede week. >> are they stupid, misguided? >> it would never say that about the american people and if you listen to donald trump or watches rallies he's the the one who tends to demean and belittle and diminish. he is 20 talks about an enemy with in.n an enemy within talking aboutwo thule american people suggesting he returned the american military on the american people. >> we asked thatlkne question te former president today with the town hall with harris faulkner here so he responded. >> they were saying i was threatening. i'm not threatening anybody. they are the ones doing the b frightening they deeo phonyal investigations i've been fcapo investigated more than capone. it's true it's calleder weaponization of government it'i a terrible thing.

>> brett i'm sorry with all duen respecott that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he is repeated when he is speaking about the>> american people that's not b wht you just showed. >> he was asked about that's ofp the question. in all fairness anecd respect th you that's not what you showed. >> bret:to it's a question wean asked to him...w >> no he's repeated itth many times we both know that and weam both know he has talked about h turning thase american militaryn the american people and about going after people engaged ind peaceful protest. he haslock talked about lockingh people uisp because they disagro with him. this icr s a democracy and in democracy the president of the united states, in the united states of america shouldn be abldle to handle criticism without saying he would lock people up for doing it and this is what is at stake which is why you have somebody like the

former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff saying what they have said about donald trump being a threat to the united states of america. >> he is quoted in the bob woodward book that way yes let me ask you this met ath atvice president. >> you can't miss theyo significance of that.no >> bret: you said trumw p is misguided >> bret: you say he is unstable. >> is he unstable, bret. >> you say he is unwell and mentally not stable. >> is he not stabl unstable udgment and the experiment -- and experience to do exactly what he has done in making very important decisions on behalf of the american people. joe biden. >> bret: no concerns raised?

>> joe biden is not on the ballot. >> bret: i understand. >> and donald trump is. >> bret: you talked about it after george clooney said within a few minutes of talking to president biden at a fundraiser that he thought this was not the same joe biden. that we saw on the debate stage. >> donald trump is on the ballot. >> bret: i understand. you met with him at least once a week for three and a half years. you didn't have any concerns? >> i think the american people have a concern about donald trump, which is why the people who know him best, including leaders of our national security community have all spoken out, even people who worked for him in the oval office worked with him in the situation room and have said he is unfit and dangerous and should never be president of the united states again, including his former vice president, which is why the job was open for him to choose another running mate. so, that is a fact.

that is a fact. >> bret: madam vice president, two more things. you were asked on "60 minutes" about the biggest threat that the world faces, that the u.s. faces. this is what you said. >> which foreign country do you consider to be our greatest adversary? >> i think there's an obvious one in mind which is iran. iran has american blood on heir hands. okay? this attack on israel, 200 ballistic missiles, what we need to do to ensure that iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power. that is one of my highest priorities. >> bret: a number of experts said you would say china the fbi director had said that you said iran. if that's the case, what do you say to critics who look at the actions of your administration and say you're not acting like iran is the number one threat? >> well, i will tell you most

recently whether it was in april or in october, and several hours on each occasion that iran posed a threat to israel i was there. most recently in the situation room in the most recent attack working with the heads of our military doing what america must always do supports and defend israel in its requirement to defend itself and to give american support, to be able to allow israel to have the resources, to defend itself against attack, including from iran and iran's terrorist proxies in the region. >> bret: right. >> and that is my commitment to that is unyielding and unwavering. >> bret: critics just say that you either relaxed or failed to enforce sanctions on iran

allowing all of this money to flow into iran like billions in oil profits. >> let's go back to donald trump who pulled out of a deal that would have actually put. >> bret: but here. >> put iran in check and it was during donal donald trump donald trump's administration we had a american military base that was attacked where american soldiers suffered traumatic brain injuries and donald trump dismissed them as headaches. not to mention that donald trump. >> bret: madam vice president. >> treated and talked about. >> past few years. >> military service. >> bret: critics say. >> suckers and losers. has diminished. >> bret: we are talking over each other i apologize. >> i would like that we would have a conversation that is grounded in full assessment of the facts, which includes, i think this interview is supposed to be about the choices that your viewers should be presented

about this election and the contrast is important. >> bret: yemen. >> and on the subject of iran i am offering what should be an important contrast that is presented for folks to make a decision. >> bret: and there are crist particulars to look at what the administration did and say -- and think differently. madam vice president, they are wrapping me very hard here. i hope you got to say what you wanted to say about donald trump. there are a lot of things. >> i i have much more to say, actually. >> bret: people want to learn but and your policies. that's why we invited you here. >> i invite everyone to go to kamala harris.com and you will see that i have 80 pages of policies that are quite comprehensive and should be accessible to anyone who would like to read them. and it includes what i intend to do about affordable housing, what i intend to do about small businesses. >> bret: that's why we invite you had you to here where you were in 2019 and where you are now. >> america's military and make

sure we have the most lethal and fighting force in the world. >> bret: madam vice president they are giving me a hard wrap here. >> i thank you for the time good to meet you. >> bret: thank you very much. >> thank you. >> bret: okay. let's bring in our panel. martha mccallum, anchor and executive editor of the story with martha mccallum. dana perino co-an author of "america's newsroom," co-host of "the five" and harold ford jr. co-host of "the five." dana, start with you. what's your take away? >> dana: one, i think it is great that she did the interview with fox. i think it was amazing that you were the interviewer. i think was that an incredible 30 minutes, well-spent by both of you. now, i would say i thought some of her answers were a little bit thin and i had to ask myself where is the joy? there is no joy here. she came in kind of hot and she got angrier. but at times, especially when she was trying to go after donald trump, she was fairly effective in that to try to get

her point of view across; however, i would say on immigration that her answers were pretty thin. and there was one thing that she said i think this was about the transgender surgery issue. she said you are responsible for what happens in your administration. and i imagine that the trump folks over there said oh, okay, let me just take that clip and put it right in an ad, because the questions about why the 79% of the country think we are on the wrong track when you have been in office, her answer saying that trump has been on our radar for 8 years and was president for four years, you know, four years ago, i didn't think that that landed very well. but i thought the interview was super good. and i would add this. i don't think that friendly interviews did her any service. tougher interviews make her think more on her feet and then she has to present herself as a possible commander-in-chief so that people can make those choices they have coming up in 19 days. >> bret: yeah.

martha, i have been through a lot of these. big interviews. normally, can you kind of get in on the breath. can you ask another question. sometimes, you know, there's an effort to filibuster and there is an effort to create a moment. and i think that that was their goal coming in. i tried to redirect numerous times without interrupting too much. but, at some point, you kind of have to redirect to get back in the game. >> martha: absolutely. bret, i thought you did a masterful job. this is the kind of interview that we should see a lot of on the campaign trail. and we have seen trump and bloomberg interview yesterday where he was getting pushback. she has not exposed herself to this kind of moment and, you know, there were numerous occasions where she appeared to be scrambling a bit. and that her answers were thin. i thought you really asked the questions that a lot of americans want answers to, which

is how did you let all these millions of people come into the country and do you have any regrets about it? and i think her answers were not good on that. you know, and about the economy when you asked her what would be different under a harris administration as opposed to a biden administration. the things that she brought up she would listen to republicans and she would listen to the business sector. she also mentioned the $25,000, which we have heard about that she offers home buyers, but we didn't get a clear who are you? what do you stand for? what would america look like under a kamala harris economy? so, you know, irthink that was a rough moment. >> bret: let me play this soundbite. it's on turning the page. stop 3. >> if you are turning the page, you have been in office for three and a half years. >> and donald trump has been running for office. >> but you have been the person holding the office madam vice

president. >> come on, you and i both know what what i am talking about. >> bret: i actually don't. what are you talking about. >> what i'm talking about is over the last decade. >> bret: you had the lever of power. >> but, listen, over the last decade, it is clear to me and certainly the republicans who are on stage with me, the former chief of staff to the president, donald trump, former defense secretaries, national security adviser and his vice president, one that he is unfit to serve, that he is unstable, that he is dangerous. >> bret: harold, tammaro i really didn't know what she was talking about because she was going back a decade and talking about donald trump. thoughts overall? >> first off, did you a great job. did you a great job because you asked the tough questions and you went back at her with tough questions. and she should be pleased with how she performed this evening. i think what dana and martha are saying there is a lot of truth

to. so answers that i would would have wanted a more wholesome or full answer. to say she got a lot out of this interview. one of the things that i hope it makes clear her campaign is that coming on fox and coming before our audience is the right thing to do. two: she said something that i think that she is going to want to make clear and repeat over and over again. and that was when you asked the question about whether she would be like joe biden or her administration if she is fortunate to be elected will look like joe biden. she said this will not be a continuation of the joe biden administration. or presidency. i would imagine they are going to run that over and over again. probably some of the things they won't run or. so things that dana and martha have dumped on i thought shy should have been clearer on her position if she is for the transgender operations or transitions or not. if indeed she on immigration if she is for some of those things in 2019, i think it would have been clearer and firmer had she just said no, i'm not for those things. i think tonight was a sign and a

signal to the country as to why we need more debates between candidates. you in many ways bret were having to ask the question over and over again and follow up on behalf of a lot of our viewers and i would argue a lot of americans who want clarity around the transition between 200019 and 2024. overall this was a win for you scho has to be pleased out she performed. >> bret: she definitely had a moment when she was talking about donald trump and the threat she sees and citing the former chairman of the joint chiefs. dana, i started with immigration because she does do this talking point we dropped the bill in the first day. a bill was dropped it was amnesty bill to get 11 million illegal aliens citizenship in 8 years they had the white house and the leadership and the senate did not bring that up. i was trying to get into the

progression and to let her see i was talking about the executive orders and the actions taken in the first days. it just took a little while to make that point. >> dana: her answers are not going to pass the smell test. we have more republicans, independence that watch more than any other news channel. we have covered immigration -- i have been here 14 years. we always talk about it. one of the thing she does sandwiches in the bill she talks about which you clarified and then the bill that she said that trump killed. in between those things when you had the millions of people flooding into the country with no other reporter but bill melugin and griff jenkins down there at the border covering it. the story of a lifetime now people are dealing with that all

the major cities. doing it with increased housing costs and the problems with the schools. and increasing crime and what about the jobs? all of those things. i just wonder if at some point if acceptance is the first step of recovery. if she has ever said something like we could have done a better job on the border just acknowledge it. what would happen with the whole entire campaign fall apart? because the majority of people think that trump would be better on immigration. simple. >> bret: not only that but maybe more specific. she could have had sis that soldier moment where she separated herself a little bit. i'm pleased to be joined by brit hume our chief political analyst try to get him up for some thoughts. >> brit: she was combative and landed blows on donald trump. but in terms of how well she answered your questions, which was were about the very things

that have been raised about her, the thinness of her positions, her failure to explain her flip-flops on issues going back to when she was a candidate for president back in 2019 and 2020 she didn't give you very much. you did a great job of posing them. and she, you know, i'm sure her partisan also look at that and say yea, kamala. she fought you. if people have doubts about her, i don't think that she cleared them up. >> bret: all right. we're going to take a quick break. on the other side a couple more moments and digest more with our panel. more after this from pennsylvania. ♪

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>> let's talk about what is happening right now with an individual who does not want to participate in solutions. let's talk about that as well. >> bret: do you want to answer her? >> in all fairness, i told you i feel awful for what she and her family have experienced. >> bret: during that time you seed repeatedly that the border was secure. when, in your mind, did it start becoming a crisis. >> we have had a broken immigration system trapped sending by the way donald trump's administration, even before. let's all be honest about that. i have no pride in saying that this is a perfect immigration system. i have been clear i think we all are. that it needs to be fixed. >> bret: needs to be fixed but it's also about when they opened the border, all the people come in. obviously that was the first

part of this interview. we're back with our panel. martha, what do you think the fallout is? you know, i'm going to put up the new fox poll national first time that the former president has moved forward, up to 50 to 48, national likely voters. there you see the movement from september. we have seen some shift, martha. what do you think this interview does or doesn't do? >> well, i think october has been a good month for former president trump. i think he will feel good about that. there is some interesting numbers in here that you point out his approval numbers at 53%. which is 4 points higher than he ever had when he was president. she is farrowing well in the battleground states and about 8 in 10% respectively say they would change their minds or they could change their minds about who they are voting for. i think that's what tonight's interview will help some people decide. i think that her answers on the border were disappointing to most voters. because she didn't answer.

she, you know, looked for ways to blame the prior administration but, you know, it was on their watch that these millions of people crossed the border. and remember how hard it was for president biden in the state of the union to bring up laken riley's name he called her lincoln. they knew they had a crisis to address at the state of the union i'm no doubt she knew it was a crisis on their hands as well, bret. >> bret: yeah there is a soundbite. do you have the one about biden in the control room about-i anyway. brit, let me go to you. let me see if we have a soundbite. mental fitness. take a listen. >> bret, joe biden is not on the ballot. >> bret: i understand but. >> donald trump is. >> bret: you talked about it after george clooney said within a few minutes of talking to president biden at a fundraiser he thought this was not the same joe biden that we saw on the debate stage.

>> donald trump is on the ballot. >> bret: i understand. you met with him at least once a week for three and a half years. you didn't have any concerns? >> i think the american people have a concern about donald trump. >> brit, what about that you know she never. >> brit: i think that was the her worst -- i thought that was her worst moment, bret. she really had no answer to that her answer to try to turn it back to donald trump which will maybe appreciate -- be appreciated by her partisans, but anybody who was concerned about her having been so oblivious or covering up president biden's decision that would not resolve that her answer to your first question was weak, too. so i think, you know, people coming into this and worried about the border and worried about the economy, and they are worried about other issues that seem high on their list that the polls are right.

i don't think this interview with you would resolve them in her favor particularly. so i think -- i don't think it's going to change the trajectory of the race. >> looking harold at some of the internals of this poll. who is better positioned to do on different issues. we can see that the former president has made some gains on a couple of the different, 51-46. immigration little bit more 54-44: it matches other polls. national poll of likely voters. harold, she had a moment. she wanted to have the moment about going after trump as unfit. she had the moment. she got angry. really what they wanted video moment. >> when you get into these kinds of interviews. she has not done a lot of them,

bret. this is certainly a first for her on fox. she was thinking about, i'm sure the team helped her think about if there is a default position, and you don't want to answer the question, you take on president trump. >> both of these candidates at this moment are trying to figure out how do they go after small group of undecideds number one and foremost how do they continue to keep their bases energized to want to go for them. if you look at what is amating democrats and a lot of her supports it is. the fact that many democrats don't trust and don't believe that donald trump is fit. so she went to that -- to that answer on a lot of the questions. but i would agree with what brit said and dana and martha as well, border security and immigration some of the answers were not as full as they should have been. the question now should be does this interview move voters or undecideds in those battleground

states? dana i will give you a little behind the scenes it fits in with dana reads sports. kicker in football they call a time-out right before is he going to kick the football. they are icing the kicker. we were supposed to start at 5:00 p.m. we -- this was the time they gave us, originally we were going to do 25 or 30 minutes, it came in and said well maybe 20. so, already getting whittled down, then the vice president showed up about 5:15. we were pushing the envelope to be able to turn it around for the top of the 6:00. that's how it started. i could tell when we started talking she was going to be tough to redirect without me trying to interrupt. did i this with president obama. at one point i just said mr. president, i know you like to filibuster. i just didn't even have the

chance sometimes redirect in those ways. i had a lot of other questions. >> martha: what a missed opportunity for them. i don't know what she had before -- i know she had that one event right before. what is more important than this interview today on your campaign schedule? if your goal as a candidate at this point is to win the day, win the news cycle of the day, then your interview with fox is arguably your most important issue. and i think you could tell at the end that you were having to rush through it so you could get to the top. show and you were trying to be respectful of their time, but it would have been really interesting for her to be able to say to her team no, no. let's keep going, bret, what else do you have? let it keep going. j.d. vance debate questions adversarial the way he absorbed the question with soft knees i guess if we are talking niece. absorbed it all actually this and then answered it very calmly. there are ways to handle a question that you think you might have -- maybe you're on

the defense about and just subtly turn it around. she has been in politics long enough that she could have done that better. >> bret: yeah. you have been on the other side rapper press secretary interviewing a president. i'm talking like four people waving their hands like it's got to stop. >> dana: you could tell. >> bret: martha, final -- yeah, i had to dismount there at the end. there is so many things and maybe she should do more of these. >> martha: i think. so i think that, you know, she got a little bit of the way there overwhelming response she wasn't specific. seemed like she wasn't ready for some of these questions and absolutely should have been. she is ahead by 6 points in the battleground states. although we see him ahead on all of the issues and in the national survey. so, you know, we will see what happens with those numbers and where they move over the next

couple of weeks. you know, they are both coming into this homestretch very, very tight in this election. >> bret: panel, stand by if you would. final thoughts from pennsylvania. the biggest swing state there is. we'll be right back. ♪

>> bret: the trump aides say he never advocated for policy and no transgender surgeries happened. >> responsible for what happened in your administration. >> bret: no surgeries happened in his presidency. would you still advocate for using taxpayer dollars for gender assignment surgeries. >> i will follow the law. >> bret: you have a say in it. >> donald trump say he did. >> bret: you have to be responsible for what happens in your administration. that from vice president kamala harris. and at times fiery interview. let's get our final thoughts

from the panel tonight. brit, let me start with you. >> brit: bret, the question we look at tonight at a time when republican confidence, especially in the trump campaign has been soaring, and there is a general sense some of the media campaign and election is moving in his direction. not by a lot. nobody gets a lot. will what trump underpolls he has in prior elections under polled. come in pollsters under estimated his strength time and again. whether they have corrected their methodology to avoid that again is something we will find the answer to on election day and beyond. but that is kind of where we are. he is maybe a little ahead here. national polls suggest that. so, the question for kamala harris is how does she reverse that and they decided they are going to put her out. and, you know, she has a lot of

things she can't or won't answer. so, i think that it's going to be hard for her to resolve doubts people may have about her if she is the best she can do. >> bret: dana? >> dana: well, on first glance, it seems this is based on my review of x and it was quick. i will admit that. the democrats seemed pretty happy with how she did. people are giving you a lot of praise for how you did, bret. i think the conclusion is she should have done more of these and earlier because i remember when i was a deputy press secretary hardly a chance to do at the beginning. any time i did it was so stressful. the more you do it, the better you get at it. i'm glad she did the interview. i think she should have done them before and it would have served her better. now 19 days to go. people are already voting. i think we have to remember that we had record voting in georgia yesterday. >> bret: yeah. >> dana: that's already

happening. >> bret: martha? >> martha: well, 70% as you pointed out of the country think we are on the wrong track. that is the issue. and she tried to pin it to trump and you pointed out accurately that she has been there for the last three and a half years. and joe biden said yesterday or day before she will carve her own path my vice president kamala harris. he was giving her the room in an interview to show this is the path i will take you on a specific way that feels connected to who she is and i don't think she met that bar tonight, bret. >> bret: harold, when you go back through this transcript or you go watch it again, it's going to air later on tonight again. there was some news made there were answers that illuminated and made some news. >> harold: i think the vice president is probably going to be pleased tonight. she didn't step away fully from

the trans comments. didn't get the clarity around some of the border transitions that she has made and different positions that are are fine but you didn't get the explanation. what you really see with both of these candidates, bret, they believe the closing argument here has to be that the other side is really really bad. we will see did that works here over the next 20 days. >> bret: well, panel, i appreciate it. it was a big day. i wish i had more time because i had a whole bunch of other questions from a whole bunch of other people. >> good job. >> bret: panel, thank you very much. tomorrow on "special report" additional reaction, obviously to this interview and where we are on the campaign trail. plus common ground, american energy policy. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. a big night tonight. that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and, yes, still fantastic interview and jesse watters takes it from here biden's mental faculties appeared diminishedka