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with vice president kamala harris democratic nominee for president. you will see it in entirety, her first formal sitdown interview with fox news. vice president held a campaign event with republicans who support her just before the interview in washington crossing. this is the spot that commemorates jornl washington crossing the delaware river on christmas 1776. first look at today's other headlines. north carolina governor says 100 million in relief aid has been disbursed to those affected by hurricane helene. 200,000 have applied decided on targets in iran for potential retaliation over recent missile attacks by the islamic republic. one report says israel has described its general attack plans to the u.s. but had yet to give an update on specific targets. the dow climbed 337 points today

to another record close. the s&p 50 >> finished ahead 27 and nasdaq was up 51. latest fox news poll has former president trump with two-point advantage nationally offer vice president harris among likely voters, that flips democrats two-point edge in september. now to my exclusive interview with vice president harris. . >> bret: madam vice president, thank you for the time. madam vice president, thank you for the time. . specifically the influx of illegal immigrants from more than 150 countries. how many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has released into the country over the last three and a half years? >> well, i'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because i agree with you, it is a -- it is a topic of discussio n that people want to rightly have. and you know what i'm going to

talk about. >> bret: just a number. do you think it's 1 million? 3 million? >> bret, let's just get to the pointed, okay? the point is that we have a broken immigration system that needs to be repaired. >> >> bret: so your homeland security secretary said 85% of apprehensions. >> i'm not finished. >> bret: it's a rough estimate of 6 million people have been released into the country. let me just finish and i will get you the question, i promise you. >> i was beginning to answer. >> when you came into office your administration immediately reversed a number of trump border policies. most significantly the policy that required illegal immigrants to be detained through deportation either in the u.s. or in mexico. and you switched that policy. they were released from custody awaiting trial. so, instead included in those were a large number of single men, adult men who went on to commit heinous crimes. so, looking back, do you regret the decision to terminate remain in mexico at the beginning of your administration?

>> at the beginning of our administration, within practically hours of taking the oath, the first bill that we offered congress before we worked on infrastructure, before the inflation reduction act, before the chips and science act, before any -- before the bipartisan safer communities act, the first bill practically within hours of taking the oath was a bill to fix our immigration system. >> yemen, it was called the u.s. citizenship act of 2021. >> exactly. >> it was essentially a pathway to citizenship. >> may i please finish may i finish responding please? you have to let me finish please. >> you had the white house, the house and the senate. >> i am in the middle of responding to the pointed you are raising. >> okay. >> i would like to finish. >> bret: yemen. >> we recognized from day one that to the point of this being your first question, it is a

priority for us as a nation and for the american people and our focus has been on fixing a problem and from day one then, we have done a number of things, including to address our asylum system and port more resources, getting more judges, what we needed to do to tighten up penalties and increase penalties for illegal crossings. what we needed to do to deal with ports -- points of entry between border entry points. that's the work we did and we worked on supporting what was a bipartisan effort including some of the most conservative members of the united states congress to actually strengthen the border. that border bill would have put 1500 more border agents at the border which is why i believe the border patrol agents supported the bill. it would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the united states, which is a scourge affecting people of every background every geographic location in our

country, killing people it. would have allowed to us put more resources no prosecuting transnational criminals which i have done. >> bret: yemen. >> former attorney general of the border state prosecuted trafficking of drugs and human beings and donald trump bret let me just fin. >> bret: six democrats voted against that bill. >> donald trump learned about that bill and told them to kill it because he preferred a run on a problem instead of fixing a problem and in this election, which is rightly a discussion that the american people want to have and what they want are solutions and they want a president of the united states who is not playing political games with the issue. >> bret: i hear you. >> actually focused on fixing it. >> six democrats a allowed 1.8 million illegal immigrants into the country a year. a lot of conservatives had a problem with it. these are the six democrats. but, more importantly, back to the original premise. jocelyn you think gather, rachel morin, laken riley, young women

brutally assaulted and killed by some of the men who were released at the beginning of the administration. well before a negotiated bipartisan bill. former president clinton actually referred to laken riley sunday, campaigning for you in georgia saying if those men had been properly vetted, laken riley probably would not have been killed. so, if it wouldn't have happened, this is well before any negotiation, this is well before donald trump got involved in the politics, this is a specific policy decision by your administration to release these men into the country, so what i'm saying to you do you. >> i think it's really. >> owe those families an apology? >> let me just say first of all, those are tragic cases. there's no question about that. there is no question about that. and i can't imagine the pain that the families of those victims have experienced. for a loss that should not have occurred. so, that is true. it is also true that if a border

security had actually been passed nine months ago, it would be nine months that we would have had more border agents at the border, more support for the folks who are working around the clock trying to hold it all together. >> bret: madam vice president -- >> -- to ensure that no future harm would occur. and this election in 20 days, will determine whether we have a president of the united states who actually cares more about fixing a problem even if it is not to their political advantage in an election. because there was a solution, bret. >> bret: madam vice president it was a policy decision in the early part of your administration. i will let one of the mothers talk about it. take a listen. >> because of the biden-harris administration open border policies catch and release, they were enrolled in the alternatives to detention program. this meant that they were released into the united states. it was not even a full three

weeks later that they would take my daughter, jocelyn you think gather's life. i believe the biden-harris administration responsible for the death of my daughter. >> that's the early days are you. >> i'm so sorry for her loss. i'm so sorry for her loss. sincerely. but let's talk about what is happening right now with an individual who does not want to participate in solutions let's talk about that as well. >> do you want to answer her? >> i told you i feel awful for what she and her family have experienced. >> during that time you said repeatedly that the border was secure when in your mind did it start going a crisis. >> we have had a broken border system trapped sending even before. even before. let's be honest about that. i have no pride in saying this

is a perfect immigration system. i have been clear, i think we all are that it needs to be fixed. we need more -- i was just down at the border talking with border agents. and they will tell you and i'm sure you probably -- i know you investigate and you are a serious journalist, they will tell you we need more judges. we need to -- we need to process those cases faster. we need the support for those cases that should be prosecuted. they need more resources. and congress ultimately is the only place that that's going to get fixed, bret. that's how the system works. >> bret: that's the premise of this question. there were 90 plus executive orders rescinded in the first days. many of those were trump border policies. i'm not going to stay here because there is other things to talk about. but you frequently talk to the border patrol union for support of that bipartisan bill and they did. they supported it. but they also just endorsed donald trump and said you have been, quote, a failure with border security. why do you think they said that? >> i think they are frustrated.

and i get it. they want support. they want support and that's what that border security bill would have done. these guys down at the border, these men and women, they are working hard. they are working around the clock. i get it. >> bret: there is a lot of people look back what you said 2019 when you first ran for president. and there have been changes and you talked about some of them. when it comes to immigration, you supported allowing immigrants in the country illegally to apply for drivers licenses to qualify for free tuition at universities, to be enrolled in free healthcare. do you still support those things? >> listen, that was five years ago. and i'm very clear that i will follow the law. i have made that statement over and over again. and as vice president of the united states that's exactly what i have done. not to mention before. >> bret: did that's the case, you chose a running mate, tim walz governor of minnesota, who signed those very things into state law. so do you support that? >> we are very clear and i am

very clear as is tim walz that we must support and enforce federal law and that is exactly what we will do. >> bret: so decriminalizing border crossings like you said in 2019 -- >> -- i do not believe in decriminalizing border crossings. and i have not done that as vice president. i will not do that as president. >> bret: so these are e. luciens that you have had. >> let's be very clear i'm the only person running for president who has prosecuted trans narbled criminal from the sinaloa from grad la harrahs cartel people trafficked in guns, drugs and human beings. i have spent a significant part of my career going after people who present a threat to the safety of the american people and in cross our border in intent of doing us harm and. i will do it as vice president. i take that work quite sear

usely. >> bret: this is a time when voters especially in pennsylvania inundated with commercials and ads. they want it to stop because it's every commercial. every of them add noise. few of them seem to breakthrough. this particular one from the trump campaign has gotten a lot of attention. >> kamala supports taxpayer funded sex changes for prisons. >> surgery. >> for prisoners? >> for prisoners. every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access. >> bret: are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars to illegal aliens on inmates to transgender. >> i will follow a law. a law that donald trump actually followed. your probably familiar with now it's a public report that under donald trump's administration, these surgeries were available to on a medical necessity basis to people in the federal prison system.

and i think, frankly, that ad from the trump campaign is a little bit of like throwing, you know, stones when you are living in a glass house. >> bret: the trump aides say he never advocated for that prison policy and no transgender happened during his administration. no surgeries happened in his presidency, so would you still advocate for using taxpayer dollars for gender reassignment surgeries? >> i will follow the law. >> bret: you have a say. >> as donald trump say he did. >> bret: you would have a say as president. >> like i said, i think he spent $20 million on those ads trying to create a sense of fear in the voters because he actually has no plan in this election that is about focusing on the needs of the american people $20 million on that ad issue that relates to the biggest issue that effect the american people? it's really quite remote. and, again, his policy was no different. look at where we are though.

>> bret: they say it's different move move on. >> i'm offering a plan to deal with affordable housing. i'm offering a plan to deal with what we need to do with strengthen small businesses which are the backbone of america's economy. i'm offering a plan that is about taking care of young parents and giving them the support they need. my plans for the economy will strengthen the economy as have been reviewed by 16 nobel lawyers, goldman sachs, moods and recently the "wall street journal" have all studied our plans and indicated my plans for our economy strengthen our economy his would make them weaker. >> bret: why do you think more people say. >> invite recession by the middle of next year. those are the facts. >> bret: why do more people trust him on the economy than trust you? >> i think when you look at an analysis of our plans for what we would do as president of the united states it has been clear to those who study and understand how comic policy

works moving forward i believe the american people are ready to turn the page on the divisiveness and the type of rhetoric that has come out of donald trump. people are ready to chart a new way forward. they want a president who has a plan for the future and a plan that is sound and will strengthen our country. my plan for the economy dozen exactly that. his plan would be, again, to give tax cuts to billionaires and the biggest corporations in our country and blow up our deficit. >> bret: it's interesting you said turn the page, madam vice president. you were asked on two different shows last week what if anything you would do differently than president biden. here's what you said. >> would have you done something differently than president biden during the past four years? >> >> there is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of -- and i have been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact. >> under a harris administration, what would the major changes be and what would stay the same? >> sure, well, i mean i'm obviously not joe biden. um. >> i noticed.

[laughter] >> that would be one change in terms of. [applause] but also i think it's important to say with, you know, 28 days to go i'm not donald trump. >> bret: so, you're not joe biden, you're not donald trump, but nothing comes to mind that you would do differently? >> let me be very clear, my presidency will not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency: and, like every new president that comes in to office i will bring my life experiences, my professional experiences, and fresh and new ideas. i represent a new generation of leadership. i, for example, am someone who has not spent the majority of my career in washington, d.c. i invite ideas whether it be from the republicans who are supporting me who were just on stage with me minutes ago, and the business sector, and others who can contribute to the decisions that i make about, for example, my plan for increasing the supply of housing in america and bringing down the cost of housing.

addressing the issue of small businesses which is about working with the private sector to bring more capital and access to capital to our small business leaders, including my plan for a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time home buyers and for small businesses extending the tax deduction from $5,000 to $50,000. >> bret: we have heard a lot about those plans in recent days. your campaign slogan is a new way forward and time to turn the page. you have been vice president for three and a half years, so, what are you turning the page from? >> well, first of all, turning the page from the last decade in which we have been burdened with the kind of rhetoric coming from donald trump that has been designed and implemented to divide our country and have americans literally point fingers at each other. rhetoric and an approach to leadership that suggests that the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down instead of what we all know the strength of leadership is based

on who you lift up. the strength of an american vice president which is one who understands that the vast majority of us have more in common than what celebrates us. >> bret: madam vice president more than. >> turning the page that is about turning the page on rhetoric that people are frankly exhausted of, bret. >> bret: more than 70% of people tell the country is on the wrong track. they say the country is on the wrong track. if it's on the wrong track, that track follows three and a half years of you being vice president and president biden being president. that is what they're saying, 79% of them. why are they saying that if you are turning the page, you have been in office for three and a half years. >> and donald trump has been running for office since. >> bret: you have been the person holding the office, madam vice president. >> come on, you and i both know what i'm talking about. >> bret: i actually don't. what are you talking about? >> what i'm talking about is that over the last decade. >> bret: you have the lever of

power. >> but, listen, over the last decade, it is clear to me and certainly the republicans who are on stage with me. former chief of staff to the president, donald trump. former defense secretary, national security adviser and his vice president, one that he is unfit to serve that he is unstable, that he is dangerous, and that people are exhausted with someone who professes to be a leader who spends full time demeaning and engaging in personal grievances and it being about him and american people. >> bret: if that's the case. >> people are tired of that. >> bret: if that's the case why is half the country supporting him? why is he beating you in a lot of swing states? why, if he is as bad as you say that half of this country is now supporting this person who could be the 47th president of the united states? why is that happening? >> this is an election for president of the united states. it's not supposed to be easy. >> bret: i know. >> it's not supposed to be.

it is not supposed to be a cake walk. >> bret: are they misguided the 50%? are they stupid? >> oh, god, i would never say that about the american people. and, in fact, when you listen to donald trump, if you watch any of his rallies, he is the one who tends to demean and belittle and diminish. the american people. he is the one who talks about an enemy within -- an enemy within talking about the american people, suggesting he would turn the american military on the american people. >> bret: we asked that question to the former president today, harris faulkner had a town hall. and this is how he responded. >> i heard about that. they were saying i was like threatening. i'm not threatening anybody. they are the ones doing the threatening. they do phony investigations, i have been investigated more than al fonz capone. he was the greatest. it's true. [laughter] it's called weaponization of government. it's a terrible thing. >> bret, i'm sorry, and with all

due respect, that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he has repeated when he is speaking about the american people. that's not what you just showed. >> bret: he was asked about that specific -- >> -- that's not just what you just showed in fairness and respect to you. >> bret: that was a question that we asked him. >> you didn't show that. here's the bottom line. he has repeated it many times. you and i both know that and you and i both know that he has talked about turning the american military on the american people. he has talked about going after people who are engaged in peaceful protests. he has talked about locking people up because they disagree with him. this is a democracy. and in a democracy the president of the united states in the united states of america should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he would lock people up for doing it. and this is what is at stake, which is why you have someone like the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff saying

what mark milley has said about donald trump being a threat to the united states of america. >> bret: is he quote in the bob woodward book that way, yes. let me ask you this, madam vice president. >> let's not diminish the significance of that. >> bret: you called donald trump is he misguided. you say now -- >> -- he is unstable. >> bret: you say he is unstable. >> is he unstable, bret. >> you say he is unwell and mentally not stable. >> is he not stable and we should all be concerned. >> bret: that joe biden was on his game. that ran around circles on his staff. when did you first notice that president biden's mental faculties appeared diminished? >> joe biden -- i have watched him from the oval office to the situation room. and he has the judgment and the experiment -- and experience to do exactly what he has done in making very important decisions on behalf of the american people. joe biden. >> bret: no concerns raised? >> joe biden is not on the

ballot. >> bret: i understand. >> and donald trump is. >> bret: you talked about it after george clooney said within a few minutes of talking to president biden at a fundraiser that he thought this was not the same joe biden. that we saw on the debate stage. >> donald trump is on the ballot. >> bret: i understand. you met with him at least once a week for three and a half years. you didn't have any concerns? >> i think the american people have a concern about donald trump, which is why the people who know him best, including leaders of our national security community have all spoken out, even people who worked for him in the oval office worked with him in the situation room and have said he is unfit and dangerous and should never be president of the united states again, including his former vice president, which is why the job was open for him to choose another running mate. so, that is a fact.

that is a fact. >> bret: madam vice president, two more things. you were asked on "60 minutes" about the biggest threat that the world faces, that the u.s. faces. this is what you said. >> which foreign country do you consider to be our greatest adversary? >> i think there's an obvious one in mind which is iran. iran has american blood on heir hands. okay? this attack on israel, 200 ballistic missiles, what we need to do to ensure that irar achieves the ability to be a nuclear power. that is one of my highest priorities. >> bret: a number of experts said you would say china the fbi director had said that you said iran. if that's the case, what do you say to critics who look at the actions of your administration and say you're not acting like iran is the number one threat? >> well, i will tell you most

recently whether it was in april or in october, and several hours on each occasion that iran posed a threat to israel i was there. most recently in the situation room in the most recent attack working with the heads of our military doing what america must always do supports and defend israel in its requirement to defend itself and to give american support, to be able to allow israel to have the resources, to defend itself against attack, including from iran and iran's terrorist proxies in the region. >> bret: right. >> and that is my commitment to that is unyielding and unwavering. >> bret: critics just say that you either relaxed or failed to enforce sanctions on iran

allowing all of this money to flow into iran like billions in oil profits. >> let's go back to donald trump who pulled out of a deal that would have actually put. >> bret: but here. >> put iran in check and it was during donal donald trump donald trump's administration we had a american military base that was attacked where american soldiers suffered traumatic brain injuries and donald trump dismissed them as headaches. not to mention that donald trump. >> bret: madam vice president. >> treated and talked about. >> past few years. >> military service. >> bret: critics say. >> suckers and losers. has diminished. >> bret: we are talking over each other i apologize. >> i would like that we would have a conversation that is grounded in full assessment of the facts, which includes, i think this interview is supposed to be about the choices that your viewers should be presented about this election and the

contrast is important. >> bret: yemen. >> and on the subject of iran i am offering what should be an important contrast that is presented for folks to make a decision. >> bret: and there are crist particulars to look at what the administration did and say -- and think differently. madam vice president, they are wrapping me very hard here. i hope you got to say what you wanted to say about donald trump. there are a lot of things. >> i i have much more to say, actually. >> bret: people want to learn but and your policies. that's why w e invited you here. >> i invite everyone to go to kamala harris.com and you will see that i have 80 pages of policies that are quite comprehensive and should be accessible to anyone who would like to read them. and it includes what i intend to do about affordable housing, what i intend to do about small businesses. >> bret: that's why we invite you had you to here where you were in 2019 and where you are now. >> america's military and make

sure we have the most lethal and fighting force in the world. >> bret: madam vice president they are giving me a hard wrap here. >> i thank you for the time good to meet you. >> bret: thank you very much. >> thank you. >> bret: okay. let's bring in our panel. martha mccallum, anchor and executive editor of the story with martha mccallum. dana perino co-an author of "america's newsroom," co-host of "the five" and harold ford jr. co-host of "the five." dana, start with you. what's your take away? >> dana: one, i think it is great that she did the interview with fox. i think it was amazing that you were the interviewer. i think was that an incredible 30 minutes, well-spent by both of you. now, i would say i thought some of her answers were a little bit thin and i had to ask myself where is the joy? there is no joy here. she came in kind of hot and she got angrier. but at times, especially when she was trying to go after donald trump, she was fairly effective in that to try to get

her point of view across; however, i would say on immigration that her answers were pretty thin. and there was one thing that she said i think this was about the transgender surgery issue. she said you are responsible for what happens in your administration. and i imagine that the trump folks over there said oh, okay, let me just take that clip and put it right in an ad, because the questions about why the 79% of the country think we are on the wrong track when you have been in office, her answer saying that trump has been on our radar for 8 years and was president for four years, you know, four years ago, i didn't think that that landed very well. but i thought the interview was super good. and i would add this. i don't think that friendly interviews did her any service. tougher interviews make her think more on her feet and then she has to present herself as a possible commander-in-chief so that people can make those choices they have coming up in 19 days. >> bret: yeah.

martha, i have been through a lot of these. big interviews. normally, can you kind of get in on the breath. can you ask another question. sometimes, you know, there's an effort to filibuster and there is an effort to create a moment. and i think that that was their goal coming in. i tried to redirect numerous times without interrupting too much. but, at some point, you kind of have to redirect to get back in the game. >> martha: absolutely. bret, i thought you did a masterful job. this is the kind of interview that we should see a lot of on the campaign trail. and we have seen trump and bloomberg interview yesterday where he was getting pushback. she has not exposed herself to this kind of moment and, you know, there were numerous occasions where she appeared to be scrambling a bit. and that her answers were thin. i thought you really asked the questions that a lot of americans want answers to, which is how did you let all these

millions of people come into the country and do you have any regrets about it? and i think her answers were not good on that. you know, and about the economy when you asked her what would be different under a harris administration as opposed to a biden administration. the things that she brought up she would listen to republicans and she would listen to the business sector. she also mentioned the $25,000, which we have heard about that she offers home buyers, but we didn't get a clear who are you? what do you stand for? what would america look like under a kamala harris economy? so, you know, irthink that was a rough moment. >> bret: let me play this soundbite. it's on turning the page. stop 3. >> if you are turning the page, you have been in office for three and a half years. >> and donald trump has been running for office. >> but you have been the person holding the office madam vice president.

>> come on, you and i both know what what i am talking about. >> bret: i actually don't. what are you talking about. >> what i'm talking about is over the last decade. >> bret: you had the lever of power. >> but, listen, over the last decade, it is clear to me and certainly the republicans who are on stage with me, the former chief of staff to the president, donald trump, former defense secretaries, national security adviser and his vice president, one that he is unfit to serve, that he is unstable, that he is dangerous. >> bret: harold, tammaro i really didn't know what she was talking about because she was going back a decade and talking about donald trump. thoughts overall? >> first off, did you a great job. did you a great job because you asked the tough questions and you went back at her with tough questions. and she should be pleased with how she performed this evening. i think what dana and martha are saying there is a lot of truth

to. so answers that i would would have wanted a more wholesome or full answer. to say she got a lot out of this interview. one of the things that i hope it makes clear her campaign is that coming on fox and coming before our audience is the right thing to do. two: she said something that i think that she is going to want to make clear and repeat over and over again. and that was when you asked the question about whether she would be like joe biden or her administration if she is fortunate to be elected will look like joe biden. she said this will not be a continuation of the joe biden administration. or presidency. i would imagine they are going to run that over and over again. probably some of the things they won't run or. so things that dana and martha have dumped on i thought shy should have been clearer on her position if she is for the transgender operations or transitions or not. if indeed she on immigration if she is for some of those things in 2019, i think it would have been clearer and firmer had she just said no, i'm not for those things. i think tonight was a sign and a

signal to the country as to why we need more debates between candidates. you in many ways bret were having to ask the question over and over again and follow up on behalf of a lot of our viewers and i would argue a lot of americans who want clarity around the transition between 200019 and 2024. overall this was a win for you scho has to be pleased out she performed. >> bret: she definitely had a moment when she was talking about donald trump and the threat she sees and citing the former chairman of the joint chiefs. dana, i started with immigration because she does do this talking point we dropped the bill in the first day. a bill was dropped it was amnesty bill to get 11 million illegal aliens citizenship in 8 years they had the white house and the leadership and the senate did not bring that up. i was trying to get into the progression and to let her see i

was talking about the executive orders and the actions taken in the first days. it just took a little while to make that point. >> dana: her answers are not going to pass the smell test. we have more republicans, independence that watch more than any other news channel. we have covered immigration -- i have been here 14 years. we always talk about it. one of the thing she does sandwiches in the bill she talks about which you clarified and then the bill that she said that trump killed. in between those things when you had the millions of people flooding into the country with no other reporter but bill melugin and griff jenkins down there at the border covering it. the story of a lifetime now people are dealing with that all the major cities.

doing it with increased housing costs and the problems with the schools. and increasing crime and what about the jobs? all of those things. i just wonder if at some point if acceptance is the first step of recovery. if she has ever said something like we could have done a better job on the border just acknowledge it. what would happen with the whole entire campaign fall apart? because the majority of people think that trump would be better on immigration. simple. >> bret: not only that but maybe more specific. she could have had sis that soldier moment where she separated herself a little bit. i'm pleased to be joined by brit hume our chief political analyst try to get him up for some thoughts. >> brit: she was combative and landed blows on donald trump. but in terms of how well she answered your questions, which was were about the very things

that have been raised about her, the thinness of her positions, her failure to explain her flip-flops on issues going back to when she was a candidate for president back in 2019 and 2020 she didn't give you very much. you did a great job of posing them. and she, you know, i'm sure her partisan also look at that and say yea, kamala. she fought you. if people have doubts about her, i don't think that she cleared them up. >> bret: all right. we're going to take a quick break. on the other side a couple more moments and digest more with our panel. more after this from pennsylvania. ♪

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>> let's talk about what is happening right now with an individual who does not want to participate in solutions. let's talk about that as well. >> bret: do you want to answer her? >> in all fairness, i told you i feel awful for what she and her family have experienced. >> bret: during that time you seed repeatedly that the border was secure. when, in your mind, did it start becoming a crisis. >> we have had a broken immigration system trapped sending by the way donald trump's administration, even before. let's all be honest about that. i have no pride in saying that this is a perfect immigration system. i have been clear i think we all are. that it needs to be fixed. >> bret: needs to be fixed but it's also about when they opened the border, all the people come in. obviously that was the first

part of this interview. we're back with our panel. martha, what do you think the fallout is? you know, i'm going to put up the new fox poll national first time that the former president has moved forward, up to 50 to 48, national likely voters. there you see the movement from september. we have seen some shift, martha. what do you think this interview does or doesn't do? >> well, i think october has been a good month for former president trump. i think he will feel good about that. there is some interesting numbers in here that you point out his approval numbers at 53%. which is 4 points higher than he ever had when he was president. she is farrowing well in the battleground states and about 8 in 10% respectively say they would change their minds or they could change their minds about who they are voting for. i think that's what tonight's interview will help some people decide. i think that her answers on the border were disappointing to most voters. because she didn't answer.

she, you know, looked for ways to blame the prior administration but, you know, it was on their watch that these millions of people crossed the border. and remember how hard it was for president biden in the state of the union to bring up laken riley's name he called her lincoln. they knew they had a crisis to address at the state of the union i'm no doubt she knew it was a crisis on their hands as well, bret. >> bret: yeah there is a soundbite. do you have the one about biden in the control room about-i anyway. brit, let me go to you. let me see if we have a soundbite. mental fitness. take a listen. >> bret, joe biden is not on the ballot. >> bret: i understand but. >> donald trump is. >> bret: you talked about it after george clooney said within a few minutes of talking to president biden at a fundraiser he thought this was not the same joe biden that we saw on the debate stage. >> donald trump is on the

ballot. >> bret: i understand. you met with him at least once a week for three and a half years. you didn't have any concerns? >> i think the american people have a concern about donald trump. >> brit, what about that you know she never. >> brit: i think that was the her worst -- i thought that was her worst moment, bret. she really had no answer to that her answer to try to turn it back to donald trump which will maybe appreciate -- be appreciated by her partisans, but anybody who was concerned about her having been so oblivious or covering up president biden's decision that would not resolve that her answer to your first question was weak, too. so i think, you know, people coming into this and worried about the border and worried about the economy, and they are worried about other issues that seem high on their list that the polls are right. i don't think this interview

with you would resolve them in her favor particularly. so i think -- i don't think it's going to change the trajectory of the race. >> looking harold at some of the internals of this poll. who is better positioned to do on different issues. we can see that the former president has made some gains on a couple of the different, 51-46. immigration little bit more 54-44: it matches other polls. national poll of likely voters. harold, she had a moment. she wanted to have the moment about going after trump as unfit. she had the moment. she got angry. really what they wanted video moment. >> when you get into these kinds of interviews. she has not done a lot of them,

bret. this is certainly a first for her on fox. she was thinking about, i'm sure the team helped her think about if there is a default position, and you don't want to answer the question, you take on president trump. >> both of these candidates at this moment are trying to figure out how do they go after small group of undecideds number one and foremost how do they continue to keep their bases energized to want to go for them. if you look at what is amating democrats and a lot of her supports it is. the fact that many democrats don't trust and don't believe that donald trump is fit. so she went to that -- to that answer on a lot of the questions. but i would agree with what brit said and dana and martha as well, border security and immigration some of the answers were not as full as they should have been. the question now should be does this interview move voters or undecideds in those battleground

states? dana i will give you a little behind the scenes it fits in with dana reads sports. kicker in football they call a time-out right before is he going to kick the football. they are icing the kicker. we were supposed to start at 5:00 p.m. we -- this was the time they gave us, originally we were going to do 25 or 30 minutes, it came in and said well maybe 20. so, already getting whittled down, then the vice president showed up about 5:15. we were pushing the envelope to be able to turn it around for the top of the 6:00. that's how it started. i could tell when we started talking she was going to be tough to redirect without me trying to interrupt. did i this with president obama. at one point i just said mr. president, i know you like to filibuster. i just didn't even have the chance sometimes redirect in

those ways. i had a lot of other questions. >> martha: what a missed opportunity for them. i don't know what she had before -- i know she had that one event right before. what is more important than this interview today on your campaign schedule? if your goal as a candidate at this point is to win the day, win the news cycle of the day, then your interview with fox is arguably your most important issue. and i think you could tell at the end that you were having to rush through it so you could get to the top. show and you were trying to be respectful of their time, but it would have been really interesting for her to be able to say to her team no, no. let's keep going, bret, what else do you have? let it keep going. j.d. vance debate questions adversarial the way he absorbed the question with soft knees i guess if we are talking niece. absorbed it all actually this and then answered it very calmly. there are ways to handle a question that you think you might have -- maybe you're on

the defense about and just subtly turn it around. she has been in politics long enough that she could have done that better. >> bret: yeah. you have been on the other side rapper press secretary interviewing a president. i'm talking like four people waving their hands like it's got to stop. >> dana: you could tell. >> bret: martha, final -- yeah, i had to dismount there at the end. there is so many things and maybe she should do more of these. >> martha: i think. so i think that, you know, she got a little bit of the way there overwhelming response she wasn't specific. seemed like she wasn't ready for some of these questions and absolutely should have been. she is ahead by 6 points in the battleground states. although we see him ahead on all of the issues and in the national survey. so, you know, we will see what happens with those numbers and where they move over the next couple of weeks.

you know, they are both coming into this homestretch very, very tight in this election. >> bret: panel, stand by if you would. final thoughts from pennsylvania. the biggest swing state there is. we'll be right back. ♪

>> bret: the trump aides say he never advocated for policy and no transgender surgeries happened. >> responsible for what happened in your administration. >> bret: no surgeries happened in his presidency. would you still advocate for using taxpayer dollars for gender assignment surgeries. >> i will follow the law. >> bret: you have a say in it. >> donald trump say he did. >> bret: you have to be responsible for what happens in your administration. that from vice president kamala harris. and at times fiery interview. let's get our final thoughts

from the panel tonight. brit, let me start with you. >> brit: bret, the question we look at tonight at a time when republican confidence, especially in the trump campaign has been soaring, and there is a general sense some of the media campaign and election is moving in his direction. not by a lot. nobody gets a lot. will what trump underpolls he has in prior elections under polled. come in pollsters under estimated his strength time and again. whether they have corrected their methodology to avoid that again is something we will find the answer to on election day and beyond. but that is kind of where we are. he is maybe a little ahead here. national polls suggest that. so, the question for kamala harris is how does she reverse that and they decided they are going to put her out. and, you know, she has a lot of

things she can't or won't answer. so, i think that it's going to be hard for her to resolve doubts people may have about her if she is the best she can do. >> bret: dana? >> dana: well, on first glance, it seems this is based on my review of x and it was quick. i will admit that. the democrats seemed pretty happy with how she did. people are giving you a lot of praise for how you did, bret. i think the conclusion is she should have done more of these and earlier because i remember when i was a deputy press secretary hardly a chance to do at the beginning. any time i did it was so stressful. the more you do it, the better you get at it. i'm glad she did the interview. i think she should have done them before and it would have served her better. now 19 days to go. people are already voting. i think we have to remember that we had record voting in georgia yesterday. >> bret: yeah. >> dana: that's already happening.

>> bret: martha? >> martha: well, 70% as you pointed out of the country think we are on the wrong track. that is the issue. and she tried to pin it to trump and you pointed out accurately that she has been there for the last three and a half years. and joe biden said yesterday or day before she will carve her own path my vice president kamala harris. he was giving her the room in an interview to show this is the path i will take you on a specific way that feels connected to who she is and i don't think she met that bar tonight, bret. >> bret: harold, when you go back through this transcript or you go watch it again, it's going to air later on tonight again. there was some news made there were answers that illuminated and made some news. >> harold: i think the vice president is probably going to be pleased tonight. she didn't step away fully from

the trans comments. didn't get the clarity around some of the border transitions that she has made and different positions that are are fine but you didn't get the explanation. what you really see with both of these candidates, bret, they believe the closing argument here has to be that the other side is really really bad. we will see did that works here over the next 20 days. >> bret: well, panel, i appreciate it. it was a big day. i wish i had more time because i had a whole bunch of other questions from a whole bunch of other people. >> good job. >> bret: panel, thank you very much. tomorrow on "special report" additional reaction, obviously to this interview and where we are on the campaign trail. plus common ground, american energy policy. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. a big night tonight. that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and, yes, still >> todd: vice president kamala harris trying to make the case she has a new way forward.