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a great deal where she stands on the top issues. >> john: some americans say they feel harris' policies all too personally. remember this heartbroken mother. >> they saw a young girl my daughter jocelyn and placed a target on her without even knowing. i can't fathom what was going through jocelyn's mind and the amount of air she was flying the last moments of her life. individuals like that do not have a heart but nothing that monsters and predators and those are the kind of individuals we sell openly let into this country periods be we will speak with alexis in a few moments. >> sandra: results in the wound where cold-blooded killer sitting on death row for a couple trying to rob in order to pay for gender reassignment surgery was ultimately granted that surgery on taxpayers' dime. senior national correspondent william la jeunesse live in los angeles with this. william, break it down for us.

>> because of this policy, a huge backlog with 1,000 inmates wanting transfer gender enter surgeries praise him. double is budgeted and in fact so many suited to keep them out of women's prison. many people are upset, including the family of tom and jackie hawkes. robbed and killed in 2004 by don jacobson who got his reassignment surgery in prison. thanks to a policy, kamala harris takes credit for in this interview now used in trump attack ads. >> surgery for prisoners. every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access. >> so jacobson robbed the hawks on board a talked and tied them up and threw them overboard because he wanted money for his transgender surgery, 100% for the surgery, he said. skyler tells the washington beacon i did receive transgender

affirming surgery and breast augmentation in prison. up my transition was tough but i made it. he is trying to transfer to women's prison because he says i get get along better with females and guys. we spoke yesterday to the victims mother gail o'neill. >> now, he is living his life although he is in prison, he is getting done what he wants to have done. and van, getti sent to a woman's prison. it is ridiculous! i think they should be punished, not rewarded! >> as president, vice president harris said she would follow the law but congress never passed a law mandating gender-affirming surgery but the judges have ruled to deny such care is cruel and unusual punishment. trump thought those rules and his administration, harris, she says she will not. back to you.

>> liam lash and s on that for us. standing, really, to think that happened. >> john: stemming from the aspect that i killed the couple because he was robbing them to get the money to do that and the government stepped in and said, "we will pay for it for you." the cruel irony of that cannot lost. >> john: some of that came up in the interview with bret and kamala harris. watch this. >> are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars to help prison inmates and illegal aliens to transgender? >> i will follow a lot and it is a law that donald trump followed. >> sandra: that is how she chose to respond to that. >> john: it was a law in place when donald trump wears and place and promulgated by obama administration 2017 before he left office and note gender reassignment surgery is to my knowledge and "the new york times" wrote about

this. during the trump presidency, delayed until biden took over they'll apparently chemical medical treatments in terms of prescription drugs where inmates during that time. for her to say that, yeah, it was a law in place during the trump presidency, but not when he promulgated or supported. >> will think what they think about it. >> john: stamp act of the border of crisis with the interfere with bret baier, she shifted the blame to the deaths of americans killed by illegal immigrants who entered the country under her watch and seem to struggle to get passionate response to the victims families including the mother of 12-year-old jocelyn nungaray who was killed in june appeared to the suspects two illegal immigrants and her mother joins us now. and want to play that part of the bret baier interview with kamala harris in just a moment. but first, i want to say, alexis, our prayers are with you

and a father whose daughter was the same age as jocelyn was when she was scaled, i cannot begin to wrap my head around what your family is going through and wet poor little jocelyn went through that night back in june. >> thank you so much for having me here. every day is a new day, a constant reminder that she is not here with us. she is not in that grave she is supposed to be in. she is not making new memories like she should. it has been really hard on our family. >> john: as i said, i cannot even imagine. but earlier this week an exclusive interview with kamala harris, bret baier asked the vice president if families like yours deserve an apology from her and her administration. that this is rather lengthy

because it involves some of your testimony before congress lately, but please bear with us as we play this out. >> madame vice president, it was apology station early part of your administration. i will let one of the mothers talk about it. take a listen. >> because of the biden-harris administration, open borders policy's catch and release they were enrolled alternative detention program and this meant they were released into the united states. it was not even a full three weeks later they would take my daughter jocelyn's life. i believe open border policies are responsible for the death of my daughter. >> john: that is early days. so do you owe them an apology? >> i am so sorry for her loss. i am so sorry for her loss. sincerely. but let's talk about what is happening right now with an individual who does not want to

participate in solutions. let's talk about that as well. >> john: so she says she is sorry for your loss, but she shifted jocelyn's story to a 15. what you think about that! >> i think she is completely full of it. she is not a sincere woman at all. she has no sympathy, no empathy to her. she is supposed to if she wants to run this country, she needs to take into consideration the families that she has affected with these policies that she has allowed and that she has approved. this is unacceptable that she gave me a very empty, half-open apology to thinking she was being sincere. she just shift like she always

does in every interview here until every questionnaire she has, she has to somehow shifted over to mr. trump. and that makes absolutely no sense. why can't you just take accountability like you should and actually try to make a difference. may be be humane and actually reach out to families that you have affected. >> john: so, we have been told time and time again by dhs and the secretary and biden, officials at the white house, the border is secure and illegal immigrants rolled into this country have been vetted and posed no national security risk to the country. yet, we now find out from the investigators that they believed that the two illegal migrants from venezuela who were allegedly responsible for your daughter's death were members of the notorious gang. tren de aragua. are you wondering how did they

get released into the country and that was their background? >> it is always made me wonder, yes, because why put an ankle monitor on them in the first place? was anything noticed? did anything come abrupt? i always wonder for sure why did they need one now that this new information has became knowledgeable as has came into the light. it really makes me wonder why, why were they released? why a question like they should have been something immediately thought of them being venezuelan natives. and it just proves more that them being what they did so heinous wasn't in full. this is the people that we continuously decide to let into this country because of her open border policies. >> john: a testimony that you

and fellow victims of immigrant crime gave before congress was just so compelling. and then there was this moment where democratic congresswoman, veronica ocho i'm sorry, veronica escobar suggested that you and your fellow victims were being exploited with your appearance before congress. that led april 8 crime of a cat have the congresswoman or tilt listen to this. >> it is insulting you would say that to these families and you would make an assumption they were are being used or exploited in any way. not in a time when her daughter was murder and i was helping her navigate the criminal justice system had one democrat call me to offer an assistance. only republicans and i am an independent and i vote both ways. it is insulting. please don't. >> for me because i'm still talking. i have the microphone and i have the floor appeared to if you want to answer me, you ask.

>> john: alexis what did you take away from that exchange and the congressman suggest you were all being manipulated and exploited. >> i think it is very inappropriate with it being such a sensitive matter. if i had the option to be used "for how she said for political gain, for others to get what they want," instead choose to have my daughter back and essentially be a nobody, i would always choose that in a heartbeat. i did this to continuously be my daughter's voice. i did this because my daughter fought incredibly hard her last moments of her life. and i will be damned if i don't fight hard the best of my life for her. i did this because i want to and

i need to raise awareness and because we need to make change. this has to stop her to be cannot k keep bearing our children. >> john: you are a powerful advocate for jocelyn's memory and again, our heart just breaks for what she went through and what you continued to go through. i don't know how you get up everyday and put 1 foot in front of the other. god bless you how doing thank you for being with us. >> thank you so much for your time. >> john: wow, sandra, wow, i just don't know how... be to god bless her and the pars affected by this absolute crisis in this country. i can't not mention the strength to say what she did. >> john: i'm sorry, i really don't know how she gets up every day. i just couldn't imagine. >> sandra: god bless her and we will keep her in our prayers. the place announcing their rest of two illegal migrants and the connection of a f a connecticut man earlier this we.

officials say these two suspects were found with the victim's stolen possessions and both had been linked to the venezuelan gang, tren de aragua as new fox polling shows that support for deporting illegal migrants has surged since 2015, even among self identified democrats. it tells you a lot. speak with the trump campaign out there like kamala harris is skipping this catholic event. she was in the swing state of wisconsin and i would argue a better use of her time here just because she did three valley screen pay, crosse, milwaukee where the voters are. >> john: "the view" rationalizing kamala harris skipping the al smith dinner last night. the first time a candidate has gifted since 1984 and how it can affect the election just ahead. >> sandra: so many moments chatting with chuck schumer.

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♪ ♪ >> john: $4.5 billion hotel that is how much student loan debt will be canceled by the biden-harris administration. the latest round of relief comes weeks after the election brings the total to more than $175 billion. and since we are channeling dr. apel, fox business lawrence, how is this impacting everyday

americans? >> you have to remember this is taxpayer money. $178 million is taxpayer money being bonded to the student loan forgiveness. the committee responsible for federal budget said taxpayers will ultimately be on the hook anywhere $870 billion to $1.4 trillion m for continuation for all of the current loan forgiveness rules. time after time the court several president does not have authority to appropriate this kind of money and the latest lois demi-glace two weeks ago that she wants to extend this p, kamala harris. we will fight and i will fight for student debt relief, student loan debt is a huge issue into your point, a barrier to people to even think about starting a family, buying a home. and we just need to get people relief. >> so look at the fox news polling about student loans this year.

24% of registered voters say it is a major problem. that is way down the issue for the biden-harris administration to solve the mind of voters. well behind grocery, for gas end. this is election year gimmick using text may payer money. >> they are trying to buy a vote and i'm highly sympathetic with voters enticed with $1.7 trillion of student loan debt and now forget think that debt and this is nothing more grotesquely unfair. >> the president and vice president continue with these programs, john. the one at a lawrence, the only billionaire somehow adds up to real money. >> and taxpayers are on the hook. >> john: $5 billion, thank you, ed. sandra. >> you are having to cut up a time on this friday. we go to the touch screen and talk about the key states we are watching the blue wall

particularly in michigan and i want to dive into what we are seeing right now as far as fox news power rankings. michigan as you can see and they the yellow, toss-up with wisconsin. this was just moved to the right this week moved from maine and to toss-up. this is any state for any candidate right now and we remember obviously 2016 trump able to pull out victory and biden flip 2020. this is of course a key state to watch. let's dig into the election screen and the candidates will be on the ground visiting and trying to turn up support there. you look at the results particularly where we see trump on the ground northwest of detroit. this is oakland county. eight key one to watch and joe biden pull this all 14 points in 2020. a big focus with manufacturing, chops on the ground in that county and the first of 2 stops he will be making today before

south into detroit, wayne count, blue county where joe biden 18 points 2020. last two grand rapids, kent county, this will be a big focus for kamala harris there. joe biden won 2 2026. silver donald trump. we will see her pumping up there, kent county, trump won by more than three points in 2016. this will be a big focus for both candidates and big picture, focusing on the economy. that is why we brought and the expert larry kudlow, fox business. larry, talk about michigan for us as we kick things off, welcome, by the way. tell us what the messaging has to be on the ground. >> can i say one quick thing about student loans? this round of student loans that john, as you are putting, edward lawrence goes to essentially public service workers, public

unions who are vastly higher pay plus pensions than comparable jobs in the private sector. these are least deserving of all of the student loan forgiveness and cancellation. >> sandra: it is not a good idea. speak of the supreme court said is unconstitutional and a irans continue to do it. michigan, messages everywhere. he is going to say first of all we will have fair trading, would not and fair trading, reciprocal trading and i want to talk about how we have been taken advantag. people talk about tax cuts. he will talk about burial, baby drill, inflation down about elon musk and how the regulatory functions and the government have to be re-examined and how spending has to be strained along with deficits and debt. it is a powerful growth message that he is going to deliver. he has been very consistent on

this unlike kamala harris who really doesn't talk. she mostly attacked trump. trump, on the other hand, selling a pro-growth plan to help solve the biggest problem, sandra, which is a portability. we have talked about this for a couple of years. the affordability crisis with prices to height and weight is too low. >> sandra: i quote you everyday and i was on special report and i quoted my good friend larry kudlow and the affordability. >> at the portability is the key issue and i'm not making it up. >> sandra: it is also about that tariffs and as you know an interesting one. you have economists that arguably typically more to the right-leaning economists who are sagging, not a good idea. i get it, they are not read the, blew up at the economy the economy. this is the challenge for the former president on the stage at the economic club on tuesday. watch this together and i want

you to tell me your thoughts out of it. >> you have $3 trillion of the imports and you will have tariffs to every single one of them and that will push up the cost for all those people who want to buy foreign goods. >> in his mathematics. >> it is but i was always good at mathematics. let me tell you, fire at the tariffs, the more the company will come into the united states and build a factory in the united states. >> sandra: he was challenged they are also challenged here by mark cuban. campaigning for harris and slamming the tariffs, larry. >> donald trump is the grinch that wants to steal your christmas. if donald trump puts 50% tariffs on chinese products, they are all going up. all those things you buy are going up by 10% or 20%, but by

50% or 60% or more. it will be up so much, you won't be able to afford the presents you want for your family and friends. >> sandra: holy moly! >> so let's go back -- let's go back and you talk about chinese products, okay? trump slept on huge tariffs on chinese products in his first term, and particularly with respect to stealing intellectual property, intellectual property theft, force transfer technology and they have high tariffs. did we have inflation in the first term? not, no inflation. perfect example laboratory experiment where that tariffs increased by about $350 billion. >> sandra: by the way, biden on tanto is. but harris isn't proposing to do so. >> that is the point there was no inflation. because the chinese producers

have to cut profit margins and prices in order to sell in the u.s. now, let me give you some bread-and-butter points here, okay question if the united states cannot stand by and let people take advantage o. here it is, the e.u. average tariffs are 50% higher than ours, e.u., european 50% higher. china's tariffs are still more than twice hours. vietnam, three times as high, for sale, 3.5 times as high. india tariffs. >> sandra: but what they will say are we trying to be india? >> india tariffs five times high. india and the world trade organization, which is supposed to be the policeman lets this go on with no change. so what is trump saying question work we cannot live with that unfair trading practice. we cannot. now, tariffs in the spirit of

reciprocity, probably the best weapon to get free trade because they will respond. >> sandra: so we had carefully restore on this. >> yes, he does, because the story has gotten worse not better around the world. now trump, remember, he did free trade deals with japan, vietnam, north america, the ums ea north mexico and china. tariffs came down so the more successful he is, that if you fewer lower tariffs we will have. >> sandra: i have got to go. because you can't have three to five to seven times higher. >> sandra: i hear your point. >> they will come here and build manufacturing plants and create jobs and raise wages. that is what he sang periods be due by the way -- >> b have been times 25 years and have the time is. to big teeth will join you at top of the show and i cannot wait.