and hits centres in israel i think all bets are off at that point the united states will be in it. that's not something the israelis would not welcome because i think israel has for sometime hoped the the united states would help them go after iran and take out the nuclear facilities and to decimate their military. so that's where we are. i think hope is always something we need to keep alive but at this particular point in time i don't think either the prime minister of israel or the iranians and the proxies are interested in making a deal at this point smack in the middle of all this yesterday bob woodward on. fascinating new book and he characterized the relationship between benjamin netanyahu and joe biden for example as the worst tcn between 2 leaders of the separate countries. you witnessed many of these relationships yourself over the years. but the fact that israel doesn't

telegraph these attacks on terrorist outputs with the biden administration that might hold off on any formal response from iran until after the election. what you read into that, that it's that bad yet we stand side-by-side as countries? snack it's an embarrassment to united states. i have felt this way that the prime minister of israel whom i have known for more than 4 years , i think his disagreement with president biden should have been kept behind closed doors. but i think he's been very open about just waving off president biden. united states is committed to israel's defence but i think under the circumstances you want to make sure he keep that relationship a healthy 1. has become personal and i think that prime minister netanyahu knows united states is going to continue to support him no matter what.

that's what he knows. that's his leverage. whether kamala harris is elected or donald trump comes in he knows united states is going to be within. the question is whether or not we would still be in a position to persuade him not to inflame the entire region by going and attacking iran in a way that sets the golf basically on fire. >> we might have moved past that. will quickly i did want to get your thoughts. you mentioned kamala harris. she's expressed interest as she becomes president putting a republican her cabinet. i don't know what position, you are that role and bill clinton. very unusual at the time. you guys made it work out. but it surprised a lot of people. what did you make of that? >> etiquettes a great idea. i think we have to get back to a bipartisan security informed policy. to the extent that we are seeing each other through opposite ends

of a telescope is very dangerous united states. we need a bipartisan foreign policy defence secured a policy and i think any republican should she be elected gets appointed should be in a high-level and it should be 1 in which she would understand that that republican is knock on to be sharing in the political decisions of the administration but rather given a position where it's particularly so independent as such where it doesn't get involved in politics but is able to carry out the wishes of the administration, so i was at a tremendous, harassment us opportunity thanks to bill clinton to give me the opportunity to serve in that capacity and never involve me in a political discussion. i think that has to happen in the future should she be elected. which i hope is the case. >> neil: yeah, and the other way around. the democrat may be playing a role in potential trump administration. always good having you. thank you for your service to this great country as well.

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>> i honestly think that he is to understand how tariffs work spanglish is called him the grinch from now on but it gets worse than that. it's not just about the christmas presents he won't be able to buy because of tariffs made them to 2 extensive. >> we'll see government spending go ballistic. its inflation go nuts. it's on to be just that on every level. and fundamentally if the current trend of strangulation by overregulation is not turned

around will never get to mars ticket will be a legal. >> in case you didn't figure it out mark cuban not a fan of donald trump, and of course when you have elon musk is not a fan of the president of the administration, and a middle of that we have don peebles. don't know he could be a billionaire. i know he's a former obama fund-raiser. well connected with the financial committee. but essentially they are arguing 2 different points. 1 is come to destroy the economy. the other is going to rejuvenate it. who made the compelling argument though when it comes to tariffs? because the sort of consensus view traditional view is he pushed too much and economies tank swear you on this? >> first of all as you know the advices only as good as the person giving it so mark has been successful business person but is not elon musk.

elon musk is a transformer and he's transformed me and histories and has a much clearer perspective from global business perspective. the reality is he's right. the fact of the matter is we cannot allow foreign countries to send their business many of them state-owned to this country and pillage our marketplace, take advantage of it and out price our businesses and at the same hand put up roadblocks to her going into their country so 1 come here the name to be a level playing field. trump is right about this. and we saw the results of it. so the fact that we have a situation now where we are losing and have lost a big part of our country's that. >> really haven't seen the results of it technically. you threaten to appoint when you get the other side to blank.

that's the hope and i understand what donald trump's try to do with sweeping 20300% tariffs, order he's proposing is that will almost compel the other people make a deal. but if you don't, you go back in early american history the last century what it often leads to his tit-for-tat the get so bad economies shut down the world over. that brought us a depression. why isn't that a realistic threat today smack i think first of all americans and americans economy americans are the most innovative, the most productive and where the most hardworking of any country in the world, so we lead the world in innovation, so this frankly no reason that we can't leave the world in manufacturing products year. what's happening, i think trump's numbers that he drove up probably as part of his style and also part of negotiating that he has these numbers a level that are not achievable in

terms of tariffs but ultimately a form of tariff that levels the playing field for american countries and brings these countries to the table to make it so their marketplaces are more acceptable and more accessible to american companies is a good thing. i think if done properly and strategically also looking at the relationships we have around the world, working with the countries that we do have a positive productive relationship with, and being strategic about it i think could have a very positive impact. if you think of at the drugs that many americans take every day and when they are manufactured international security risk. and it's absurd that we have allowed it to happen to her some drugs and they are not accessible during covid. >> neil: would you serve in the trump administration? >> i have so much going on in the business side of the world

that it would be very hard to leave my company. it also i'm ceo. i'm not accustomed to working for anyone. nothing personal to donald trump and nothing personal to kamala harris. but i am much more focused, serving in the public sector. >> neil: that sounds a may be but we will see." and kidding. always good seeing you. thank you very much. don peebles. second year in a row she seen as the most responsible fiscal, fiscally responsive governor in the country." you think she is? i will introduce you to her next.

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>> neil: she was just named for the second year in a row america's most fiscally responsible governor. in other words, she sticks to basics. she sticks to the notion you can't have more money going out than coming in. and it seemed like an odd talent these days. that governor is kim reynolds with the beautiful state of iowa. congratulations. >> thank you. it's great to be with you. thanks for the opportunity. >> neil: it's interesting when they look at the sort of thing and they look at all the political pressures what you have to encounter and you've

been quietly doing this, and getting a lot of democratic praises well. i just want to know what that secret is because not to give you false praise it doesn't happen a lot of states. and in these days some of them have on the books that they have to submit a balanced-budget end of year but even with that there's a lot of chicanery and nonsense and silly nests that gets into it if they get to it. so it's a secret here. >> it's simple. i think people overcome forget it. we worked very hard to drive a bold conservative i would say transformative agenda over the last several years and it's a combination and so what we are seeing is an economy that's growing. we are cutting taxes. i cut taxes 5 times in the last 6 years. we went from a high individual income tax rate of nearly 9% down to january 1 pick it will be a flat 3.8%. our corporate taxes gone from the highest in the country at 12%. it is 7.1% right now. we are on pace to hit 5.5 in

2027. we no longer tax inheritance income. we no longer tax retirement income. we're bringing property taxes down and that's an aggregate want to be 20 for billion-dollar savings over 10 years for iowa taxpayers. but on top of that i'm also reducing government. i cut 21 agencies from a cabinet. we did a realignment of government more effective and efficient. that will save taxpayers about $215 million over 3 years cutting regulations and red tape 1800 rules gone in the first year and we are going to 4 your rolling average but the big component of this as well as keeping spending and check. so he spent 82% of our available revenue. we see in an average 2.3% growth but on top of that i've been able to make historic investments in workforce and education, largest teachers salary increase in the history of of our state. we've invested in housing and child care broadband infrastructure. at the same time i think we are

giving tools, excuse me it works. we are seeing the results of that. people are paying attention around the country. we are going to continue to see our economy grow. even what i just laid out in fiscal year '24 with a $2.5 billion surplus, nearly a billion dollars in cash reserves and $3.75 billion in our taxpayer trust fund. we are going to keep adding taxes. >> a lot of people say this confirms. fascinated in deficits. the reason why i am, governor, that is probably the most important issue out there that most americans really don't think about that much. candidates don't talk about that much. both on the presidential level are competing. that will add to our data. both of them over the years. i noticed when you are looking

at your tax cuts and some of these expenditures, you are counterbalancing to make sure they would be paid for. for the second year in a row, you dotted those eyes and cross those teas. i'm worried that other politicians to the highest office in the land don't do t that. that is a bomb waiting to explode. >> that is a bomb waiting to explode. under the harris-biden administration. out of all the report card, every one of those were republican governors. republican governors were 9 out of the top ten. it was democratic governors across this country. all you have to do is look at the vice president walz. he was the very last one with a f. this guy spent an $18 billion surplus and raised taxes to the tune of $10 billion on top of that. when they say they are --

>> governor, with all respect, governor. presidents have done the same thing on a national level adding to our debt. sometimes for reasons they can't control. it is an immeasurable force. i get it. how do you stop that? how do you get them to talk about how they pay for what they want to do? >> look at some of the people surrounding the trump team right now. these are business owners greater the ceo that's gonna come into his administration and do what we did. the bureaucracy is driving the ship. we need to stop spending more than we take in. we need to reduce the size of government. it is slow and unresponsive. i can't imagine the waste at the federal level. when i look at what i was able to do cutting 21 agencies to save $215 million -- i can tell you that is conservative in 3 years. think of what they can do if they could cut taxes and reduce

regulations and reduce the size of government and plow those savings back into tax cuts for the american people in the business community. you don't get a better result by increasing their corporate tax rate. you don't get a better result by increasing -- >> spending is not core. spending is the core. got it. governor, a real honor to have you. it is the foundation. more that both parties should pay attention. it is happening in iowa. governor kim reynolds. he's gone crazy. but that is important, folks. we all have to pay for this government. the larger that debt grows, the more costly against. we will explore that this weekend. tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. as we pursue the math. here now, "the five." ♪ ♪ >> it is friday. hello, everyone. i am sandra smiton