>> we are tracking several live events throughout the day today so stay with us. we have 2:30 eastern where the pentagon is set to hold a press briefing and on the campaign trail former president trump will speak in the battleground state of arizona at 5:00 p.m. eastern. at 6:00 p.m. eastern we have j.d. vance speaking in michigan and at 7:00 p.m. a vice president kamala harris will be holding a rally with former president obama in georgia. bring your salad dressing. we are following it here. thank you mr. wonderful as always. we love when you were on. tammy of course as always feared when you can't make it live, dvr the show and for now, here is "america reports."

>> now we are back to trump is a danger to democracy in january 6th. that is the closing argument. she has been an unprepared candidate so far and that could extend to her final argument. >> a fifth of undecided voters it said they don't know enough about her so she has some room to grow there. >> they are suffering and trying desperately to breathe in this economy and i don't think she understands some of the proposals she has laid out as an answer. >> i think we are seeing why she didn't do well in 2019. she just isn't a compelling candidate. >> they have 11 or 12 days and if they don't get to it they could find themselves on the losing end of the campaign. >> john: 12 days away from election night and two very different closing messages are taking shape. former president trump trying to focus on the issues while vice president harris focuses on attacking her opponent. that is where we begin thursday afternoon. i am john roberts in washington. it's just going to keep going all the way through to november 5th and may be beyond. >> sandra: put your seat belt on. it will be a wild ride.

good to be with you john pure and i'm sandra smith in new york. this is "america reports." another jam-packed day on the trail with presidential and vp candidates making seven combined stops across battleground states. trump and his campaign promising to fix the crises they say were created by the biden-harris administration. >> john: asked for vice president harris, she seems focused on what she says are the dangers of a potential trump presidency. >> he is putting out a 911 call to the american people. understand what could happen if donald trump were back in the white house. imagine now donald trump in the oval office, in the situation room. he who has openly admired it dictators peered said he would be dictator on day one. he himself has said he would terminate the constitution of the united states and wants to earn your vote to stand again behind the seal of the president of the united states?

no one standing behind the seal of the president of the united states of america should be in that position. i believe donald trump is a danger to the well-being and security of america. >> sandra: so. it will those messages resonate with voters? our panel will dig in. alex vogel and patrick murphy will join us shortly. >> john: looking forward to that. fox team coverage starts now. rich anson on harris is ramped up rhetoric. jonathan hunt with more on a controversial report that harris is using to attack trump. >> sandra: but first a bill melugin and tempe, arizona, for us at this hour. the former president will be campaigning later today. you are there. how is he responding to that report? >> sander, he is pushing back against it big time. that report was in the atlantic this week. he was accused of essentially disparaging american troops by

his former chief of staff john kelly while he was in office. trump is now calling john kelly a degenerate and a low life and he had more to say in a truth social poster take a look. part of that post reads "the story about the soldiers was a lie as are numerous other stories he told. even though i shouldn't be wasting my time with him, i always feel it is necessary to hit back in pursuit of the truth." the former president held a rally in duluth, georgia, last night where he hit on his usual topics of the economy, foreign policy, the border. but he said he wants americans to be excited about the country again. take a listen. >> i am here today with a message of hope for all americans. with your vote in this election, i will end inflation, i will stop the invasion of criminals into our country. i am asking you to be excited about the future of our country again. this will be america's new golden age.

>> while trump was in georgia, his running mate j.d. vance was campaigning in reno, nevada, yesterday. another key battleground state. while he was there, he knocked kamala harris about the border. >> when we complain about kamala harris' border policy, when we talk about kamala harris' immigration policy, she dares to call the citizens of her own country racist and bad people. we are not racists for wanting to secure the border. >> the former president is scheduled to speak here on the campus of arizona state university around 5:00 p.m. eastern time. once he has done with that he is going to fly to las vegas where he has another campaign event tonight and another battleground state. the battleground states, his biggest priority right now with less than two weeks ago. >> sandra: not slowing down with 12 days to go that is for sure. thank you. >> john: we are also hearing directly from vanessa gwen's sister about the controversial piece in the atlantic.

while the author is sticking to his story chief correspondent jonathan hunt live in los angeles is dissecting it all. what did you find out? >> there are two major themes to the story. what former president trump may or may not have said and done with regards to a veterans funeral and standards of journalism in this election season. here's the backstory. army private vanessa guillen daughter of mexican immigrants was murdered at fort hood and 2020. then he met with guillen's family in july of 2020 and promised to help pay for the funeral costs. now a new article in the atlantic claims using unnamed sources that in a private meeting in december trump complained about the $60,000 cost, made an offensive remark about burying guillen and refused to pay. but trump's chief of staff mark meadows who was in the room has denied it trump said anything disparaging and guillen is

sister is pushing back hard on the atlantic's reporting talking to laura ingraham last night. >> it was a lie from the very beginning and it was very upsetting. my sister's name was never to be used or stained in this direction and that's what they did. so all i'm going to do now is defend her name and myself and my political views. >> for his part, goldberg is standing by his story. >> i understand the sensitivities are around this but the truth is the truth. people in the meeting, people who had become somewhat endured to donald trump's method of speaking were shocked by what was said and that is how i learned about it. >> it is worth noting that goldberg also said that the guillen family lawyer told him that trump did not end up paying for the funeral costs which were ultimately covered by the army

and private donations. and as yet, neither the family nor the attorney have denied that part of the atlantic story. >> john: jonathan hunt decoding it for us. thank you. sandra. >> sandra: not hesitating to use this report against former president trump and her town hall last night but she is facing criticism for several of her nonanswers peered one prominent democrat calling it word salad city. senior correspondent riches from the white house for anybody who watched it, you sensed it. >> good afternoon sandra. this is from a former obama white house senior advisor david axelrod. he said sometimes when vice president harris does not want to answer a question, she takes the train to word salad city and he said in that event last evening she did that on answers regarding israel and immigration. in that town hall harris hit trump's proposed tariffs and said that they add to inflation. the vp promised to take on price

gouging, eliminate the cement filibuster to pass nationwide abortion protections, cut taxes on small businesses and strengthen the border but there was another issue. hours before the event harris invited the press to the vp residence at the naval observatory to speak about accusations from his former chief of staff john kelly who told "the new york times" and the atlantic that then president trump said hitler did some good things and i need the kind of generals at hitler had. harris called him on a hinge, on hate and only wants a military loyal to him and it's deeply troubling that trump would invoke hitler and she leaned into that later. >> do you think he is a fascist? >> yes i do. yes i do. and i believe that the people who know him best on this subject should be trusted. look at their careers. these are not people -- with the exception i think of only mike pence, these were not

politicians. >> trump posted thank you for your support against a total degenerate name to john kelly who made up a story out of pure trump derangement syndrome hatred. this guy has two qualities that don't work well together. he was tough and dumb. kelly was his longest serving chief of staff in that term. back to you. to be too good to see a rich peer live at the white house for us. thank you. >> john: let's bring in the political panel. former general counsel for the republican senatorial committee and patrick murphy is a former democratic congressman and it chief of staff of the army. >> secretary of the army. chief of staff was general mark milley. who was a great american. >> john: i am less than shot. 11 days to wake up until election day. >> john: information goes in this year and goes out this year in the shape of moons and stars. kamala harris will be giving a speech next tuesday on

january the 6th peered i wouldn't be surprised if january the 6th comes up but it's interesting findings on why people say they are going to vote for the candidates. fox news poll said beyond electing donald trump the top issue motivating kamala harris voters motivating -- sorry pair the top issue motivating trump voters to vote is the economy. and beyond electing kamala harris, top issue is dislike of trump, 17%. so people say that they are voting for kamala harris not because they really like her policies but because they dislike trump. we saw this back in 2020 and we know what happened as a result. >> joe biden one and i would say when i ran for congress, a lot of people talk about why do you want the other person to be fired but why you should be hired and it really is about we don't want to turn a page back and go back to failing policies peered we want to move forward, great manufacturing jobs and to do more. creating 60 million new small businesses but the goals another 25 million.

getting things made in america again. she has a plan to do that with an opportunity economy and he does not. >> john: in terms of harris' policies and what she would do, she doesn't seem to articulate her plan very well. listen to this exchange of the cnn town hall last night. listen here peered. >> some voters might ask you been in the white house for four years and your vice president. not the president. but why wasn't any of that done over the last four years? >> there was a lot that was done but there is more to do, anderson. and i'm pointing out things that need to be done. that have not been done but need to be done and i'm not going to shy away from saying these are still problems that we need to fix. >> john: she got everything except the significance of getting things done. >> the fundamental challenge that she is facing is by focusing on orange man bad and when you get to the issues people care about like the economy unlike immigration you get what x called word salad and if he is calling it world salad, that is problematic and there's

a fundamental reason that it is less effective than it was four years ago with joe biden and that is a lot of americans thought that joe biden rightly was more of a centrist than the current democrat party and they were comfortable with him. they know she is not that centrist. they know she is super liberal on a lot of these issues and she dumb if they are not comfortable with it. it does not get you all the way there. it's not enough to say donald trump is bad and has more and more stuff and i'm sure there will be more stuff rolling out in the next few days with he said this, he said that. she said he said isn't going to get it done when he is talking about the economy and immigration and is still able because he can articulate it to say not great things about her as well. >> john: it's not a prediction to say that something about trump will drop every day between now and november the 5th. but the idea of not articulating policies and saying trump bad man don't vote for him. every time kamala harris or

tim walz or joe biden open their mouth it's all about he is a fascist, he's a danger to democracy. listen to a jonathan turley said about that line of attack. >> this is panic politics with a halloween flayer. something wicked this way comes. if you vote against me, you are voting against democracy and life as you know it. what is missing from this is any sense of history and any sense of constitutional law. >> john: which he points out has survived in this country for many, many, many decades. and even though we have had some big challenges the idea of checks and balances remains so why would trump have any power to change that? >> i'm a big fan of jonathan turley. it is about the constitution. that's what the president, congress, military officers, all foreign and domestic. but we've had dark moments in the past and the dark moments of the past was january the 6th. might that maybe that, there's

174 police officers that were hurt that day. some took their own lives. you can't say it was a day of love which is what donald trump said last week and recognize the fact that there was a lot of people that were hurt by people who had ill will and were basically domestic terrorists on that day and were riled up by the former president. >> john: but the idea that he has a fascist, that he models himself after hitler. who knows exactly what it was he said regarding hitler and generals. i don't know because i wasn't in the room but does that play with voters? >> i guess that we are at the spinal tap phase were all the knobs will go to 11 so orange man bad it is now orange man fascist. it's not going to get her there with the american voter. it is not enough of a connection between wanting to understand what she is going to do on the day-to-day issues that americans are focused on and that is why no matter how much they turn up

the volume on it, if that is her kicker to the end, it will not get there. >> i came down from pennsylvania. there's 1.3 million indep independents. democrats, republicans, but it's a fight for the independents in the home stretch. she was at that town hall for undecided voters which was supposed to be a debate. she offered to come back to fox last week and he's talking to his base and attacking barack obama, john kelly, four-star marine general who lost a son in afghanistan. she has an argument i will need all americans. he is trying to bash americans. >> john: and yet as i recall the last time i checked republicans were outpacing democrats. >> we will see how they vote. >> john: good to see you gentlemen. thank you so much. patrick murphy. sandra. >> sandra: the record a straight up butler county officials releasing 911 calls from the rally where former president trump nearly lost his life. capturing the terror and chaos

from rally goers that day. listen. >> what is the location of your emergency? >> we are at the trump assembly and there's a guy shooting. he's been shooting up the place. >> the butler fares getting shot up. >> we are aware man peered the police are taking care of the situation. >> i have a female on the line. her husband was shot at the trump rally. >> i called butler hospital. he's not there. they told me to call 911. >> route 68. route 68. right past the light. there's a car pulled over on the right-hand side. >> what is wrong with her? >> may be heat exhaustion or heatstroke. she looks really bad. >> sandra: we have more sound for more than a dozen phone calls officials made -- made to officials that were made that day. these were just released.

we will have more from them in a bit. speak of the number one issue i would say facing black america is the trust. the trust of washington, d.c. the inflation is crazy high right now. >> john: vice president harris seems to be struggling to gain the trust of black voters less than two weeks before the election. can her strongest surrogate help change their minds? >> sandra: what are the paths to victory when it comes to balance of power in the senate? james freeman is ready for a spin on the touchscreen. i will go join him at the board next. write mystery novels. as i was writing, i found that i just wasn't sharp and that doesn't work when you're writing a mystery and i knew i needed to do something so i started taking prevagen. i realized that i was much more clear,

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former president donald trump battle for control of the white house, they will also be keeping close eye on the senate races that could tip the balance of power. let's break it down at the touch screen with james freeman assistant editor at "the wall street journal" and editorial page and fox news contributor. awesome to have you here. we have a lot of questions. as i fumble through my papers here i want to make sure i highlight when this board comes up, this has moved nevada to lean democrat. we just showed it accurately there. it has moved from toss-up which it was in yellow to lean democrat. ohio still the toss-up. as we flip through here, set this up for us. our latest fox news power rankings are forecasting g.o.p. will take control of the senate 51 seats to democrat 48. there is one toss-up that we just mentioned still. what is this going to be about james? looking at this first race in ohio. obviously bernie moreno has been able to close the gap with sharon brown still leaning in the polls there.

what do you suggest the race is about? >> that this is really the newcomer bernie moreno. maybe not always as polished on the trail. against an institution. sharon brown celebrating -- he's about to celebrate his 50th anniversary as an elected official in ohio. if you are someone who does not like career politicians, he has a problem. but what that creates for the democrats is concerned. he is at 47. there's not a lot of headroom there. his long career decades in the senate, ohio voters have gotten to know him. as i have watched this race tighten and tighten and tighten, bernie moreno is ahead in some recent polls. i think if you are a democrat, you are wondering how do you grow the sharon brown vote? >> he is a trump backed republican. he is a businessman and talks a lot about the economy. ohioans care a lot about that especially right now. when it comes to sharon brown he has been leaning on abortion is a top issue there.

could this be a test or the presidential race? >> he feels abortion helps them. the sleeper social issue of this year, and it has come up in this senate race in a bunch of other ones is are you going to allow kids born boys to play in girl sports? that has become an issue and has become an issue in this race. he has a problem because he voted against a plan that would have used federal money to encourage against that practice. >> sandra: such a great one. ohio still is the toss-up. that was the state we had in the yellow there. these lean democrat when it comes to these key senate races that we are watching. michigan, nevada, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. dig through maybe your favorite race to watch here, james. >> erik thommy and wisconsin is another race where it is really close. you have this sleeper social issue that has become very relevant in recent weeks. baldwin not in his office as

long as sharon brown but also with a record and a concern about growing the vote. nevada, if you don't want career politicians, this is a race for you. these are both people who have experience outside. jacky rosen successful career in computer programming and services and once ray trust at caesar's palace to make ends meet. sam brown, an amazing military record. a huge service to the country. also an entrepreneur. this is a race where trump seems to have a slight lead. you give the edge to rosen. michigan is one that tightened a lot. mike rogers, an experienced congressman. took a break from congress. wasn't always a trump guy. now endorsed by donald trump and has been closing. elissa slotkin seem to have the moderate image and a winning combination but she has been warning all along about how

tight that race is. not just her race, but in the presidential as well. that is a coin flip. >> sandra: really good stuff that you give us to watch here. 12 days to go. hope you came back. we will have much more to watch as the days go on. back to you. >> john: inhale or not. marijuana is on the ballot in several states. potentially allowing millions more americans to use it recreationally. we will check in with dr. marc siegel if that could be a dangerous call. plus this. >> with your help, 13 days from now we will win georgia. we are going to defeat kamala harris and we will make america great again. >> sandra: the pressure is on in building in the peach state as the race in georgia comes down to the wire. the polls on the ground with "the atlanta journal-constitution"'s patricia murphy will be joining us next. started disrupting my day.

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than the former president? >> i have to be honest with you, it's not what i see in terms of my rallies in terms of the interaction i'm having with people in communities and on the ground. what i am seeing is in equal measure men and women talking about their concerns about the future of our democracy. talking about the fact that they want a president who leads with optimism and takes on the challenges that we face whether it be grocery prices or investing in small businesses or ownership. i'm not seeing that disparity and i intend to be a president for all americans and that includes paying attention to a fundamental freedom that has been taken away because of donald trump, the freedom of a woman to make a decision about her own body and in equal measure to prioritize the economic needs of individuals and families in america and what we also must do in terms of upholding our strength on the global stage. >> matter vice president.

>> vice president harris: you will sort that out. >> do california and other states need to punish crimes more harshly? >> i have not yet voted and i have not yet had a chance to read through the ballot. >> this was brought up last night. will the construction of a southern border wall continue inured administration? >> vice president harris: i have been very clear that i will bring breck up as president the bipartisan border security bill and make sure it is brought to my desk so i can sign it into law. the biggest issue we have right now is donald trump has stood in the way of what would have been a proven part of the solution to the bigger problem which is we have a broken immigration system in america and we need to fix it and we have the tools at hand but we have on the other side of the selection donald trump who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. i intend to fix a problem in a

way that is about practical solutions that are within our arms reach if we have the commitment to do it. >> john: so she took a few questions there in philadelphia on the border wall. ducking the question if she would build a wall saying that she would support and make sure that it past the border bill that was up for a vote earlier this year. that does have $600 million to complete certain sections of the wall. also saying she is not seeing a gender gap and people supporting her which means she has either had her head in the sand or she is deliberately ignoring because it is glaring. >> sandra: even the mainstream media and some on the left, and we can point to daniel axelrod and others after her performance last night, one of the single biggest problems they .2 was exactly what she did just there. she provided no clarity on what her border policy would be other

than bring up a bill that was not passed under the current administration in which she s sits. now promising if she is elected president that is how she will secure the border without any other message about securing the border. >> john: it was an interesting question that anderson cooper brought up last night. you took the executive action this summer to cut down border traffic. why did you do that a couple years ago? and she said we were trying to work with congress and the question that immediately popped into my mind is it why didn't you put in place things to stop the massive cross-border migration while you are working with congress? because you could have done t that. we look forward to seeing her in georgia and a little while in the meantime let's bring in patricia murphy from "the atlanta journal-constitution" for a closer look at the battleground peach state and where harris will soon be. here is the polling average. trump versus harris.

in georgia trump right now at 49%, harris at 46.8%. on this day four years ago here's where the polls were. biden led 47.1 and he won by a quarter of a percentage point. 11,779 points. which might suggest, patricia, that kamala harris has a big hill to climb here if she wants to win. >> on the ground it really still feels like a neck and neck grace. it feels like it was basically tied in 2020. it still feels like it is basically tight here in 2024 and it will really matter how they get their voters out but then we are still seeing a gender gap here in georgia. there's no question about that. we are seeing a bit of difference in the behaviors of black male voters toward the democratic party and a little bit of a difference and older voters 65 and ordered toward the republican party. those are differences. it feels neck and neck but it feels like different groups may be deciding this race all said and done.

>> john: you look at the population of georgia is 30% black which is more than doubled the national average. it seems according to lawrence jones fabulous barbershop series that across this country there's a lot of black men who were saying kamala harris isn't doing it for me. i don't like her policies, i don't know what her policies are so i'm voting for trump. listen to some of what we found. >> it's not down the line all the time. it's not already. it's a mixture. >> i'm going to go ahead and say it. i'm going to support trump. it's obvious. >> we have seen more pigment words toward, harris. >> we don't believe she's going to support us another four years. >> john: how are those being reflected in georgia? >> i'm hearing a lot of that here in georgia. a clear majority of black voters

and a large majority of black men are going to vote for kamala harris. they support her and they are going to support her. the difference i'm hearing is in younger black men. about a third of those undecided in our last poll. the black man that i talked to at a trump event said they just aren't feeling connected to the democratic party here in georgia. they don't feel connected to kamala harris. she speaks a lot about women's issues, abortion. of course it is hugely important for her base of support. that is not resonating with black men. they would like to hear more about the economy from kamala harris. one man in particular said the plan that she came out with for black men three weeks before election day very late in his opinion and among those issues was to legalize marijuana. he said why would i want to legalize marijuana? i don't want my kids smoking marijuana. that felt like being disrespectful and disconnected from his reality. it hits different with every voter but black men are a key demographic georgia that we are

watching carefully. >> john: no question about it and we will be talking about legalizing marijuana later on in the program. if you look at the economic gains that blackmun made under trump versus harris-biden, 12.7% during trump and 1% during harris-biden. one other quick point. a quick answer for this. all these complaints about people being disenfranchised in terms of their ability to vote. major league baseball pulled the all-star game out of atlanta. when this whole voting rights issue blew up. listen to a brad raffensperger, the secretary of state said about early voting in georgia. >> every day has almost a record breaker. we are over 1.7 million voters. don't think we will hit 1.8 today but we certainly will by 10:00 tomorrow. i'm expecting we will be at almost 4 million early voting by the time we finish next friday. >> john: that would seem to completely contradict the argument people were making a couple years ago. >> along with the bill that passed democrats and republicans

both have made a huge effort to tell their voters how the new law works and they have had a lot of success. more than 2 million voters already in georgia. >> john: patricia murphy. always great to catch up with you. we will be watching closely the night of the fifth. >> sandra: butler county officials releasing more than a dozen 911 calls from the rally where former president trump nearly lost his life. nearly three months after that happened, cb cotton is covering the story extensively and was on the ground and butler the days after the shooting. so welcome to you. why are these calls just now being released? >> this marks the first time we have heard rally goers frantic calls for help in the immediate aftermath of the failed assassination attempt against former president donald trump. the 911 calls are being released as part of a legal settlement with several news organizations. butler county releasing 15 calls that were made that day. officials told fox that the first one came in at 6:12 p.m. and others continued for more than 30 minutes.

>> gunshots at the trump rally. >> the police are on their way. >> better get over your quick. >> a female passed out? >> they just tried to kill president trump. you might want to make note of that. >> the fbi said would-be assassin tommy mathis brooks fired eight shots toward the rally stage before being killed by a secret service counter sniper. trump's heir was clipped, a retired firefighter was killed and two other rally goers were critically wounded. one of the other calls, a woman searching for her husband provided a description which matches one of the injured men. james copenhaver. >> i have a female on the line. her husband was shot at the rally. >> he is 74. was shot at the trump rally. paramedics serviced him. i called butler hospital. he is not there. they told me to call 911. >> a bipartisan house task force investigating the assassination

attempt released an interim report this week calling the shooting preventable. and noting a lack of planning and coordination between the secret service and local law enforcement. the report stating that the secret service did not give clear guidance to state and local authorities about how to manage security outside of its hard perimeter or hold a central meeting with local law enforcement on the morning of the rally. a full report from the house task force is expected in december. >> sandra: just finally getting some of those details. thank you. >> why should i vote for trump? >> i cannot provide responses that endorse any political party or its leader. >> alexa, why should i vote for kamala harris? >> there are many reasons to vote for kamala harris. >> john: more details on why alexa answered election questions like that but does that explanation add up?

we will dig into it. >> sandra: incredible. plus home sales in a major slump and mortgage rates, they are trending the wrong way if you are looking to buy. dan greenhaus and steve moore on some brand-new mortgage rate numbers and what it means for the housing market.

>> sandra: sales of existing homes are on track for the worst year sense 1995. all this is happening as mortgage rates are climbing and today new numbers out showing they are climbing again. an average 30-year fixed rate surging to the highest level in three months now and not of course is what continues to push demand down. steve moore and dave green house are here. i don't know that demand is

necessarily down. the demand is out there. but they aren't going out to get the mortgage because they see the rates and they don't see the availability of homes. >> that's right. i was just looking at there's a bunch of numbers out today but i was looking at the one "the wall street journal" had the rate at about 6.9%. to put that in perspective sandra, the mortgage rate was about 3.5% when trump left office. so it's about twice as high as they were when trump left office so that means for the average person who wants to buy a home, let's say a medium value home, they will pay about a thousand dollars more a month in mortgage payments largely because of those higher rates. i have two kids that are in their early 30s and they are doing pretty well. they are rich, but they are doing pretty well. they can't afford a house. they can barely afford to pay their rent. it's a real hardship and i would say these policies that biden put in place have been a tax on the american dream of homeownership.

>> sandra: obviously viewers are going to go that's nothing what they went through 20 or 30 years ago. >> i remember that. speech or to put this in perspective, just under 7% you are still in the single digits so let's keep in mind but there's not a lot out there. if you are a buyer, it is an incredibly difficult market and for the most part, correct me if i am wrong, that is because people don't want to sell their homes because they would have to go get a new mortgage with higher rates than they have today. >> the vast majority of people have fixed rate mortgage is called 95% of people and virtually all those people have rates below 5%. if you were to sell your house and move into a different one you would be swapping out your 4% mortgage for 6.5% or 7%. but to echo steve's point the biggest issue is not one but two. not only are mortgage rates high but the price of the home is higher. to steve's point, pre-covid to the average mortgage rate for a regular medium priced existing home was about 900 change

dollars per today it is over 2,000. to steve's .101100 dollar increase in your mortgage payment because of these two issues and that is the two main issues. >> sandra: it's amazing how it has emerged. we look at what kamala harris has laid out. she's promising down payment assessment for 1 million first-time home buyers. she's a promise thing to build new housing units, tax breaks for developers. will all of this help or hurt the current housing market if she is elected? >> the $25,000 down payment issue, i don't think the problem is down payment. i think it is that they can't afford to pay the monthly mortgage on a 30-year mortgage. it's over $2,000 right now. a month.

i worry also remember we had a housing crisis in 2008 because the government kept subsidizing housing and people got homes they could not afford to pay f for. >> sandra: final thought you. >> we need smaller houses. >> sandra: interesting. >> 2400 or 2500 square feet. we need 1600, 1700, 1800. >> sandra: cause prices to come down in general. i appreciate the discussion gentleman. dan, steve, thanks. >> john: a doctor refusing to publish her own study about treating children with puberty blocking drugs to change their gender. the shocking reason she says why she withheld the data. brian kilmeade's reaction coming right up. many were shocked to learn they've been paying 22% on their credit card balances. and if payments were late, as much as 30%. that's over three times the interest rate on a newday 100 va home loan.

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>> john: an alarming report from the department of homeland security. more than 600 migrants spread across the country with possible ties to a violent venezuelan gang. national correspondent with jenkins here with us. >> it's all hands on deck right now because remember, tren de aragua was on nobody is radar four years ago. now they are spreading across the country. dhs says more than the 600 migrants that you mentioned could be relatives or victims

but more than 100 were deemed subjects of interest and refer to the fbi's watch list for for transnational criminal organizations. they are suspected and crimes in these 15 states. easy arizona, texas, illinois, georgia, florida. just on monday the man accused of sex trafficking a 15-year-old girl in palm beach county is being investigated as florida's attorney general blames the biden-harris administration. >> they have let them come and, barely vetted m, and now we are seeing them all over our nation and they cannot, even if they tried to do it now, cannot send them back to venezuela because venezuela says we won't accept them. >> dhs says it's in an infancy stage but the target is a growing threat saying that it is part of our work to counter tda and dhs has an ongoing investigation to crack down on gang members through rescreening individuals previously encountered in the screening and vetting at the border. they been linked to the murders

of laken riley and you will recall the takeover of the apartment complex in aurora, colorado, and daniel geraint c o saw that has been tweeting out d emails between federal authorities and the aurora pd suggesting local authorities were made well aware of the tda threat over a year ago and john, you look at some of these leaked emails that we are digging into and the subject line simply said tren de aragua. >> john: i think this is a lot bigger than anyone think that is right now and that will get revealed in the days and weeks ahead. good to have you on the story as always. it always comes out. it's not the crime, it's a cover up. >> sandra: vice president harris ramping up her attacks on former president trump. will it move the needle with undecided voters with just 12 days to go? let's see what charlie hurt has to say about that just ahead