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>> all right. the race is on. battle ground states are getting all the attention right now. in atlanta, georgia, waiting to hear from j.d. vance. on the right side of your screen, novi, michigan, i believe i mispronounced it before, i apologize -- where donald trump will be speaking. and offense to novi, michigan. see you, mark. >> president trump will make his second stop in michigan, as we've seen him barn storm. today, michigan is kicking off its early voting statewide. overnight, trump was in traverse city, michigan about four hours north of where we are and while it was set up to be a rally, the headline, trump was three hours late, given it was late, past 10:00, and quite cold out and trump stopped the rally to play music after multiple people needed medical atten

attention. >> take your time, doctor, please. should we listen to a nice song while we wait? okay, ava maria, by pavorati. want to do it? we'll listen to a song. i want the doctors to take their time. >> trump was late to his own event after he sat down with broadcaster joe rogan for several hours. the interview posted overnight covered a lot of topics. it was a long interview, but he also launched multiple new attacks against vice-president harris. >> if she becomes the president of the united states, which i can't believe can happen, i don't think this country's going to make it. i don't think we'll ever be -- i think just really bad things will happen to our country. >> there's a new poll show us from the new yorks times, deadlocked nationwide, 48% among likely voters and trump

told rogin he doesn't believe the polls that he sees, because people are tired of answering and giving their opinion. in michigan, the trump campaign is trying to turn out the vote that they can. a state that flipped back to democrats in 2020. trump won it in 2016 and he's also going to be on the stump in another one of the blue wall states, an event in pennsylvania this afternoon, neil. neil: thank you, my busy friend. mark meredith. speaking of busy, peter doocy also in michigan, kalamazoo, i believe, where vice-president harris will be campaigning today. peter. >> that's right, neil. good morning. 30,000 people showed up to the vice-president's event in texas last night to see beyonce. beyonce did not sing, she just introduced the vp, who focused mostly last night on abortion. >> if you think you are protected from trump abortion bans because you live in michigan or pennsylvania or nevada or new york or

california or any state where voters and legislators have protected reproductive freedom. please know, know one is protected if there's a trump national abortion ban and it will outlaw abortion in every single state. >> and there's too much focus on abortion access for some progressives in places like battle ground pennsylvania, where activists are getting worried that the vice-president is talking too much about abortion and about trump for persuadable voters worried about the economy. the vice-president is claiming she's not worried about turning anyone off with her closing argument as-is. >> one of the things that i love about the american people is we can hold many thoughts at once. my priority includes fighting for our democracy, including fighting for the freedom of people to make decisions about their own body, including what

we must do to speak out against threats to our democracy. >> we've not yet seen a run of show for this afternoon's event where michelle obama is going to join kamala harris on the campaign trail for the first time this cycle, but there is some risk in having an obama go before the vice-president because when we were with barack obama and the vice-president in georgia on friday night, as soon as he was done, and she started, people started leaving, neil. neil: yeah, that's what it's like when i'm with you. you know, you speak and all of a sudden and then i'm next and it's kind of tough, you know? so, i can understand that. peter, thank you very much, my friend. peter doocy, following that in michigan. michigan is a big union state. and tim walz, of course, the vice-presidential candidate to kamala harris had been raising the issue, saying a lot of unions aren't committing themselves to candidates and i had a chance to talk to one of

the union chieftains who explained why. take a listen to this. >> these are folks that are directly responsible, they're members and look, they're members, some of them split off. the bottom line is how can you be with a guy who wants the bust the unions not to make collective bargaining the right, not to make health care there. >> that's the cognitive dissonance i don't understand. you're talking about the unions-- >> some leaders didn't show the courage they needed to. neil: i think he's saying that you didn't show courage. >> yeah, that's kind of a knucklehead statement. i show courage every single day our organization shows courage every day and to make statements, it's kind of disrespectful to our members and the process. s' talking like an educator like he's in a classroom teaching a lesson. the lesson that needs to be taught is that our members don't need to be educated. our members are educated and that's the problem with this party right now is, they are looking down on our members saying they need to be

educated. what i would do is actually start talking to our members and find out what the actual problem is instead of pointing fingers and looking for excuses. find out the problem and look for solutions so you gain that support back. neil: all right. so there is a bit of a, you know, a dissonance with unions in that state particularly for democrats and elsewhere wondering where is that union vote going to show up. where will it show up? chad, the detroit news editor and columbinist. it's one thing for the smaller unions and sects of unions that break off and don't commit, but a big one like the teamsters stands out for not endorsing anyone. and by the way, it's extending apparently to newspapers like the los angeles times and of course, "the washington post." but i digress. what do you make of this? >> well, in michigan, the michigan chapter of the teamsters has broken with the national chapter and they've

endorsed kamala harris, so there's-- there's deep division here within this major labor union. and then you have your traditional sets of major unions that align in democrats, united auto workers, afscme, and sciu, they're all out for harris right now, but i always caution people when they think that michigan's big union state, it's 14% of the population identifies as coming from a union household, so, it's a significant number of people, but it's not in the 30, 40 percentile that decides elections, essentially, so it's a base and they've got to work from that base. but harris has got to go out and tell people and make a case in some union households that she has got a plan to drive down their everyday daily costs. democrats are out campaigning, look at the things we did for unions, took away-- in michigan repealed the

republican authored income tax on pension income, the big pro union issue, but, that's not necessarily going to help kamala harris, you know, make her arguments. neil: and chad, isn't the argument, in spite of 14% of the voting population, to your point, they're more likely to get out and vote so they could inflate those numbers. secondly, i'm wondering about the fact that whatever a union decides, the michigan chapter, teamsters, what have you, not all union members agree. the leaders might go one way, but the majority of them might feel more favorably in this case to donald trump. are you seeing anything like that, a split between the leadership and the. >> there's a split in some pockets where folks, trump's

messages on the auto industry, the transition to electric vehicles, it's hitting home with the folks saying, look, if we keep moving your big three automakers towards electrification, your gas engine plant goes away, transmission plants goes away, and the parts plants, that build parts, we're talking thousands of parts that go to a gas engine, that's where trump is really playing to a message that's very localized. you're not going to hear it in texas, but it's definitely a message that resonates, particular will i in some of these battle grounds, from the battle ground. genesee county, outside of flint. saginaw county, bay county, the whole i-75 corridor north of detroit. this is blue collar area where they have a lot of jobs in small manufacturing and parts auto suppliers. tier one, tier two auto

suppliers and macomb county where trump has historically done really well in the last two campaigns. neil: all right, we shall see, as i say, 10 days away. chad livengood, thank you for taking the time. in the meantime there have been unusual developments and chad alluded to it the difference between national labor organizations and state ones, but another interesting development of late are the candidates who might be zigging while others expect them to be zagging. kamala harris in texas yesterday, beyonce a big draw there. donald trump tomorrow at madison square garden in new york city. again you would think not friendly venues to candidates that might be chasing just the battle grounds, but there is a strategy to this. we'll tell you all about it after this.

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>> you know, obviously, you hear talk about the seven battle ground states and sometimes it looks odd when you see a democrat like kamala harris in the state of texas, usually a reliably red state although ted cruz has a battle on his hand to keep his senate seat there. and you look forward to sunday when donald trump will be at madison square garden, no doubt a friendly venue for him, but in the bluest of blue states doing this with 10 days to go.

and bob cusak says there's a method to this, the hill editor in chief. and i found it interesting about 48 hours apart, the candidates are going into what would traditionally be deemed unfriendly territory. >> yeah, neil, it's a bit unusual. as you mentioned, trump likes to think he's going to win new york. he's not going to win new york, but it does attract headlines and of are course, you have a big senate race in texas. so, but there are operatives on both sides who really want the candidates to not be going to states like texas and new york, but basically calm camping out in the seven battle grounds. that said, the trump visit to msg continues quite a streak i think of good pr. democrats would call them stunts. whatever you want to call them, they've worked. mcdonald's, going to the barbershop, it attracts headlines and then that is really-- harris has been struggling at generating headlines. neil: you know, this three-hour

interview joe rogan had with donald trump, i don't know if i've ever heard or seen anything like that. to donald trump, mcdonald's, seemed politically brilliant to do. he seems to be doing, no pun intended, more of the outside the box stuff than either she or her staff are reluctant to do and don't want to do. i wonder what you make of that? >> yeah, when is the last time harris sat down for a three-hour interview. when you're going to become or trying to become the president, you can't be too careful. harris has been very careful. monday the cnn town hall really did not work for her. she evaded questions and democrats are getting nervous because of that. trump is closing stronger than she is at least from the pr standpoint. i'm wondering, too, the harris campaign seems to be acting like they're sitting on a lead.

you know the polls better than i ever will. and i look at them, they're dead evening. she's not sitting on anything, but a tight race. so you can throw a little caution and probably you should throw to donald trump's caution to the wind. and it could work that it doesn't pan out, but it doesn't send you tumbling in the polls. i'm sure with donald trump and the mcdonald's visit, that helped. i guess i don't see the logic. >> i don't see it either, neil. and i think that harris smartly called herself, unlike biden when he was going to be the nominee, the underdog, but she's not acting like the underdog, successful politicians always act like the underdog, you always pretend, even if you're winning by five, you pretend you're down by five. that works in politics and sports. and listen, i think that trump is certainly not playing it safe. not obviously with joe rogan, a friendly conversation, but still, three hours, that's a long time and trump doesn't mind letting his guard down.

harris does. neil: you know, let me ask you as well. we had a guest on talking about some of the unions and nonendorsement, particularly the teamsters, varies by state so i get all of that, but it is a trend, lately, bob, and i noticed it with the case of the major newspapers like "the washington post," los angeles times, neither committed to endorsing a candidate one way or the other. newspapers don't carry nearly the cache and that they used to, but if they did, hillary clinton would have been president. there are others, but what do you make of it? >> it's an interesting development, obviously "the washington post" and others taking criticism for this, but i agree with you, i think it's a relic of the past and the hill has never endorsed a candidate and i think newspapers should stick to the news. at the same time, as far as the race, you see harris and trump, trump is cutting into her

territory, whether that's african-americans, whether that's latinos, whether that's the teamsters, and i know the teamsters didn't endorse, but their data was basically 2-1 for trump. i know the teamsters aren't the sciu or a more liberal union, but 2-1, that's high opening. >> i'm wondering, too, then, what do you think plays out in the next 10 days. everybody waits for the october surprise. we've had several surprises, i don't think they've moved the needle much but what could in the days ahead? >> you know, obviously, you've got a foreign policy. you've got bad actors out there who want to, one way or the other, they want to basically move the direction to harris or trump. so, that's something to watch. i think either candidate, neil, can win this race, but harris needs a stronger finish because she's had a rough couple of weeks and i think she's got to go for it. you know, we've seen nominees over the years after the election, losing nominees,

whether that's hillary clinton, al gore, mitt romney, you see their personal side after they move. she has to sit down and answer questions directly. she hasn't been doing that. neil: interesting. we'll see how it pans out. thank you, my friend. >> thanks, neil. neil: in the meantime, here, we talk about an october event or one other event and of course, he just touched on the possibility of a foreign event, israel to responds to iran's missile attack earlier this month. it's launched an attack of its own, and iran is looking to respond to that attack and on we go. the latest after this.

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israel has now responded to those iranian missile attacks in the beginning of this past month. now we're getting word that iran plans to respond to their response or something like that. greg palkot has the latest from haifa, israel. greg. >> and we will see, neil. at least for now israel has finished its retaliation against iran. for about four hours early this morning, israeli time, and we were up for it all, some 100 israeli fighters jets took the thousand mile trip over to iran and conducted what israel says were precisely calibrated strikes on iranian military targets. the first wave was aimed at taking out air defenses including in syria and iraq and then hitting 20 long range missile production, preparation and storage sites around tehran and in two other regions in iran. so nuke, oil facilities or crucial infrastructure were hit. it was, in fact, neil, a very

specific retaliation to the barrage of some 180 ballistic missiles iran fired at israel on october 1st. israel today sounding tough. >> if the regime in iran were to make the mistake of beginning a new round of escalation, we will be obligated to respond. >> now, even though two iranian soldiers were killed, tehran seemed to downplay the attack and said that damage was minimal. but neil, we got a bit of an ominous word from iran's foreign ministry earlier today saying in the statement that iran is entitled and obligated to defend itself against external aggressive acts. maybe more to come. back to you. neil: incredible. i'm curious then, how do the israeli people feel about this or respond to this?

they knew this was coming, i'm sure warnings have gun out to the population, but what are you hearing on that front? >> they are prepared. they are prepared for more. this is, in fact, something that was baked into this operation, that this might not be a one and done or a two and done. there's been back and forth twice between israel and iran. you can tell, as i explained, how carefully targeted these strikes were. it definitely was a response to that massive october 1st missile barrage, but even that, especially with the deaths of those iranian soldiers, might not be enough for iran to say, okay, we'll stop. my gut says, and experts here say that iran really doesn't want to get involved in a full scale war with israel right now, but they have their pride and they had their proxies. back to you.

neil: and that does lead to expanding conflicts. greg, great reporting. be safe, my friend, you and your wonderful crew. greg palkot. we're background to talk to colonel lipow, he knows something about who will be a friend and who will be branded a foe. a lot is very quiet. where are my keys? (vo) don't wait while memory and thinking issues pile up. these issues may seem like normal aging but could be due to a buildup of amyloid plaques in the brain. amyloid can build up over time. the sooner you talk to your doctor, the more options you may have. visit amyloid.com for additional information.

>> all right. taking a look at how iran might respond to these latest israeli strikes. remember, this was israel's way of responding to to iranian missile strikes. every strike begets another counterstrike to address that strike and back and forth they go. kirk lipow joins us. he was the u.s.s. cole commander. i guess it's the neighborhood and you know the neighborhood. i'll defer to your pedigree on this. you're not seeing the response what i call the moderate arab countries, nothing from the uae and saudi arabia, ripping israel a new one, condemning attacks and the escalation. what's about it. what do you make of that and what it might signal for iran? >> well, right now, neil, good

morning and thank you for having me on. i think what you're really seeing is benefit of the abraham accords and kind of the overall picture throughout the middle east is one where there's a recognition of israel's right to exist, but the united states has also given assurances to these countries that they recognize that iran is the enemy in that region and that the u.s. is going to back those countries who are willing to either not respond or only mildly respond to israel's right to defend itself, which they did. so, you're really seeing some of the benefit pay out over time and you're not going to get much of a reaction because we've given assurances to countries like saudi arabia, we'll help protect their oil facilities and ability to export oil to the world. >> the president has commented on this, kirk. joe biden saying it looks like

israel didn't hit anything except a military target and does appear to be the case and he said he hopes the israeli strikes against iran is the end. and iran's foreign minister is saying it's not the end, he's promising a response of some sort. what do you think they'll do. >> i think what you've seen at this point, the iranians should still be doing battle damage assessment, to determine how badly they were hit. in a number of cases like i hoped they would do, israel did strike facilities that were dual benefits. they took out some of the capabilities and infrastructure, took out the drone facilities and did major damage to that one. plus, while they did not strike oil or nuclear facilities directly, they took out a lot of the air defense systems that protect them. that means those facilities are vulnerable and clearly would be in the next target set if iran responds, israel then would have an absolute right to go after those even if the biden

administration were to oppose it because at some point, those facilities need to be taken care of in order to ensure that iran pays the price. neil: were you surprised that israel didn't go after those type of facilities, talking nuclear or what have you? i know they're deep underground and not everyone is quite where where they are because they can be moved around, i don't know. it's clear when benjamin netanyahu said they wouldn't be going after oil facilities, maybe the fear that it would lead to sky rocketing oil prices the world over not just for, you know, damaged facilities in iran. so the two things that would do the most harm to iran, israel didn't do. >> well, i think it was very wise of israel not to strike those facilities, number one, because the biden administration and the world would have probably turned against israel if they had done that. what they've done now is create the conditions that should iran choose to respond, up the ante, expand the conflict.

israel is going to be able to justifiably go after those types of facilities to make sure. because one of the things that israel is trying to do right now, and what they did with the strikes last night, is try to reestablish deterrents, and if iran chooses to strike back, clearly what israel did did not send a strong enough signal to the ayatollah and the president, who, given that they tried to attack netanyahu's residence and him directly, that's another target set that was left off. last night. they did not take out any of iran's leadershipen that will be in the next target set if iran chooses to escalate this and expand the conflict, despite the world want to deescalate and not have an expanding conflict. neil: kirk lippold, the former u.s.s. cole commander. and israel is promising to

respond as a back drop for the oil prices and we're up 4%. a little north of $71 a barrel. none of the frightened crazy sort of tariff fear in the markets when it looks like all o -out he is cescalation. and i want to take you to georgia, j.d. vance is there and let's listen in. >> when kamala harris says she can't think of anything she would have done differently from joe biden, maybe that's something she should have done differently. let's support our law enforcement. i know that donald trump would have done it differently and that's a thing to be proud of. [applause] >> we've got the great congressman, mike collins, stand up and say hello. i know everybody just saw mike. [applause] >> mike has the best social media i think of anybody in the u.s. congress, no offense to

anybody else here. but mike has got the best sense of humor and a little bit of fun with politics which i think is a good thing. you know, they say that kamala harris, the media talks about kamala harris being the candidate of joy. when i come to events like this, i feel like the joy is all on our side. we're having fun out here. [cheers and applause] of course, the great congressman rick allen, thank you so much for being here, man. thanks for your leadership. [applause] >> we've got insurance and safety fire commissioner, john king. john, please say hello. thank you, john. [applause] >> and of course, we've got the legendary alveda king. where is she? god bless you, ma'am, thank you. now, when you take a photograph with ms. king, she says right before the click goes, she says jesus. and i love that because that puts a smile on my face and

also reminds me, ms. king, that we're engaged in the most important work and i think it's fundamentally to make this country friendly to people of faith, to respect people's religious liberties, but i think the great christian command for politics is that we pursue the common good and how can you purse the common good with a broken leader like kamala harris. we've got to get donald j. trump back in the white house and that's what we're going to do. [cheers and applause] now, i want to talk before we get into why we need to elect donald trump the next president of the united states. i want to talk about the how. because the how is really important and in georgia, we're off to a great start, my friends. you look at the totals, republicans are doing awfully good in the state of georgia, doing awfully good in the state of north carolina. [applause] >> we're doing awfully good in

state of nevada. [cheers and applause] and across all the battle ground states, i right now, if i was a betting person and sometimes i've been known to gamble from time to time, i would bet on donald j. trump winning all seven battle ground states and going to the white house with a lot of momentum. but here is the thing, i'm going to make three requests of you before we talk about why it's so important to change the leadership in this country. three requests of you and this is the most important thing. number one, i want every single person in this room, all of you out in front of me and all of you behind me, i want you to go out there and vote ten times. now, some of you got a little comfortable, you said, well, we're republicans, we follow the law, we only vote once and we vote the legal way. here is the legal way to vote ten times. take yourself to the polls and take nine of your friends and family with you, we've got to do that. [applause]

>> i want you to pak that commitment because we're talking about states that could be decided by thousands or even hundreds of votes. in other words, if every single person gets out and votes 10 times. that could be the difference between president donald j. trump and president kamala harris. no one wants that nightmare over the next-- >> we're continuing to follow j.d. vance in georgia, one of those battle ground states. donald trump in most of the polls i've seen out of the peach state has anywhere from a two to three point lead, they say within the margin of error, hard to say, and it's a battle ground as is michigan where donald trump will be speaking, and that focus for the harris camp. let's not lose sight of the fact that the senate could be poised to be changing hands given a couple of key races we've been following. right now, it's looking increasingly like republicans for the taking. we're on that after this. ok y'all we got ten orders coming in.. big orders!

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>> all right. we are no c-- we are focused on the presidency and the makeup of the house and senate, the senate could be a surprise, tipping in favor right now of the democrats, but right now given some polls in some states it could flip the other way around. madeleine rivera is following those closely in washington and madeleine is very good with numbers. what are we looking at here? >> the chances of republicans taking back the senate are high. democrats were at a disadvantage to begin with after west virginia senator joe manchin announced his retirement so republicans are almost guaranteed to flip that seat. and other tight races throughout the country. senator jon tester, the democratic encombat is essentially running like an underdog. the sienna poll shows him trailing his opponent. and tammy baldwin and sherrod

brown are fighting hard to defend their seats. they show a one point lead in wisconsin and ohio respectively. but democrats are looking competitive in texas. while a democrat hasn't been elected statewide since 1994, ted cruz is leading by only 5 percentage points. rallying in houston, vice-president kamala harris tried to give congressman allred a boost encouraging her supporter to vote for him. here is allread who joined harris last night. >> ted cruz has been all about himself for too long, too long. 12 years is long enough. everything is bigger in texas, but ted cruz is too small for texas. >> candidates from both parties are counting on split ticket voters to get them through the finish line. take former hogan, trying to

create some distance between himself and donald trump in a blue state. we've got a run a different race. i have to win nearly all the republicans, a big chunk ever independents and about a third of the democrats, that's how tough it is. >> but ticket splitting has been declining which could further dampen democrats' chances of holding the senate. neil. neil: obviously, republicans are looking to keep cruz's seat and you know, he faced a battle six years ago and survived it. this one remains pretty stubborn and hard to call. >> democrats have been hoping to flip texas for long time now, but i think their dreams of turning texas purple seems to be a few more years away if it happens at all, neil. neil: you hear about ticket splitters, it might be the opposite for republicans if donald trump is popular in a state. it does tend to carry to some of the other battle ground and races, right? so, he does well, they do well, right? >> yeah, and you know, we're

seeing some research that again, ticket splitting has been declining and you know, as the country gets a little more partisan, we're seeing the chances of that decreasing. so, yeah, there's a very good chance here that republicans can vote straight down the line, and republican, republican, and the same thing for democrats as well, neil. neil: all right. we'll watch it. meantime the house tight as a tick, separated only by a couple of votes and some democrats are hoping it goes their way, hard to say. still earlier. we do know no matter what happens in the next 10 days, for over 30 million americans, it doesn't matter, they've already voted. and how is it changing the math and equation and maybe ultimately the election, after this.

>> all right to believe, but with still another 10 days to go, a 36-plus million americans have already voted. early voting. this was a concern, you know, that when a lot of republicans feared that it wasn't going to be fair, right, but now we're hearing record number of republicans also voting early and we're seeing this across the country, especially in some of these battle ground states where this has become a huge issue. phil wegmann, of real clear politics, a white house reporter. what to make of that. for these people any drama you see in the next week and a half or so doesn't matter, they've already voted. i'm wondering what the impact will be, if there is to be an october surprise, and oh, well, too late for them. but how does this sort out the early voting. who is more enthusiastic? >> well, the takeaway from the early voting numbers is that republicans have finally learned to love the mail-in ballots and that's a switch from last time around before because donald trump loathed this type of voting.

we just heard from senate j.d. vance a moment ago, he's trying to encourage g.o.p. voters to send in their ballots by mail, and we've seen results. anecdotally i can't tell you the number of times i've heard from voters, they're casting their ballots by mail rather than going to the polls and then the data that we see, in states like nevada and north carolina, shows that the republican share of the mail-in ballots thus far is equal or sometimes greater than democrats. the takeaway there is, one, this is a show of republican enthusiasm and two, mechanically takes some of the burden off the trump campaign. because if someone has already gone to their mailbox they don't need to expend resources to get them to the voting booth. neil: that's interesting. another thing i'd be curious what you make of the race. we talk about these polls that are very, very tight, but i always ask smart people like yourself, am i missing something?

i know the consensus is right now, there's some momentum going with donald trump, but again, i look at the aggregate of the polls, they're tight and it's an even race, is there something i'm missing? is there someone who has an edge now? >> certainly it seems that donald trump has the momentum because just, you know, 17 days ago harris led trump in the rear clear politics average by about two points. we've seen them actually draw even. i think donald trump is up by 1/10 of 1 percentage point and the take away there is not that he will win the election by 1/10 of 1%, it's instead, sort of indicates that he has momentum and vice-president harris, who was going into this thing really banking on vibes on enthusiasm, it seems to indicate that some of the undecided voters they've said enough is enough and they've, you know, moved away from the democrat. neil: is there any--

for kamala harris, you always hear and it could explain why she's constantly going back to michigan, of course, donald trump is in michigan again as well. that's a state she has to win. you always hear that. does she have to win that? >> certainly it seems that michigan is going to be one of the lynch pins to this. if you think about the argument that harris has made since the day she accepted the nomination. she argued that donald trump is a threat when it comes to abortion rights and that also, he is unstable. we've seen her again and again, both target, you know, suburban women and then also try and really go to the foundation of the democratic party which is the african-american community. in the weeks ahead of the election though, we've seen some weakening among that support and so, you know, when we look at these battle ground states. right now we see that trump has an edge in just about each one of them, but so much changed this summer, so much has changed already in this election, that perhaps, you

know, we'll see that the pollsters got it wrong at the margins, that actually harris' support was greater, as of right now, i tell you, the campaign that feels really good is the one that just went on joe rogan, not the harris campaign. neil: yeah, you mentioned joe rogan, that was a three-hour interview and kamala harris opted not to go on his podcast, was that a strategic mistake? >> it might have been. it was certainly an unusual interview from the former president. he was stream of consciousness, it was classic trump, but you know, what you said a moment ago about the 36 million americans who have already turned in their ballots, what that tells me here is, you know, we don't know who they voted for and in some states we don't know their party affiliation. for instance, georgia doesn't keep that data, but what that indicates, there's a large chunk of the american population that's just done. they don't need to listen to a rogin podcast, they don't need to hear from beyonce or these

candidates, they're ready to make a decision and call it a day. neil: when beyonce was there in texas, she showed her support, but didn't sing. if a lot of people went there to hear her sing, would they be angry? or they got to see her? >> that's not insignificant, right? we've seen beyonce be one of the hallmarks of the harris campaign, her music is a staple and then she appears alongside the vice-president, but doesn't make a performance. i've got to tell you, at the democratic national convention, it was-- there were folks who were very disappointed that beyonce was not the special guest and that she did not sing. there was hope that she would actually make a performance in texas last night. neil: you can't believe all the people here have been waiting for you to sing, phil. i said he's not going to do it and that's his style. >> and you're welcome. [laughter]. neil: great to see you, phil wegmann. hey... how you doing? this mucus won't move out. you're gonna love this property.

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