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the former president which we aired last sunday sparked an explosion of coverage from the new york times and washington post to rolling stone and donald trump was fully engaged and didn't look hired to me, but some anchors along with trump's media detractors are using it as ammunition. >> one of the things that strong man leaders do when they do get control of a country is they shutdown independent media. >> cbs should lose its license. howie: but here are the comments that made the most news. >> within is a pretty ominous afraid is if you're talking about others. >> these are bad people. we have a lot of bad people but when you look at shifty schiff and some of the others they are the enemy. i think nancy pelosi is an enemy from within. >> then howie kurtz said will you not prosecute your political opponents trump replied "excuse me" that's what they're doing to me. >> he said what he meant.

>> laura ingraham did it last week, howie kurtz did it this week. they wanted to clean-up this enemy within and he will not do it. not going to do it. >> don't ever forget what they did to anyone during the pandemic who dared to question their bs policies and their lives so save your outrage and trump calling pelosi the enemy is peanuts compared to calling tens of millions of americans the enemy from within. howie: one question after another donald trump stood his ground an that's his style whether you agree with what he said he knew what he was doing and then told me he had fun. i'm howard kurtz and this is mediabuzz. howie: for nine years now, some of the media have slammed donald trump as a be dictator and authoritarian, comparing him to hitler and much of this has been reported particularly in the atlantic but now john kelly, trump's second chief of staff,

has gone public in a series of recorded interviews with the new york times. retired general says trump meets the definition of a fascist and has referred to fallen soldiers or wounded soldiers as losers and suckers and there was this , saying that trump wanted his generals as loyal as those of the nazi leader. triggering a media uproar. >> hitler did some good things too. howie: trump called john kelly a low life, a liar and a bully. >> and he's a total wack job. when you fire people d for doina bad job they get angry. howie: but kelly's words gave an opening to kamala harris who led recorders a statement, and took no questions. >> it is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that donald trump would invoke adolf hitler, the man whose responsible for the deaths of 6 million

jews. >> do you think donald trump is a fascist? >> yes, i do. yes, i do. >> after trump's survived two assassination attempts democrats are calling him hitler. >> this is about kamala harris and a donald trump who has so alarmed four star generals, so alarmed people whose job is to protect america they are breaking precedent and coming out saying donald trump is a danger. >> the reason democrats are freaking out about it right now is because what they have learned is that it's not republicans who are the hitlers or the nazis. it's actually emanating from within their own party. >> the other thing i think that you have to remember by general kelly is talk to people who have known him, worked with him, and you can take his word to the bank. howie: joining us now to analyze the coverage in nashville, clay travis, the founder of outkick and a syndicated radio host and here with me megan heys, a former forensic in the biden white house and campaign.

clay, why would john kelly who largely avoided the media at least on the record choose now to say that donald trump is a fascist and says the general, that hitler did some good things too. >> because democrats probably got to him and decided that we're going to run the same playbook we've been running for nine years against donald trump. they wanted an october surprise and this is their october surprise and oh, by the way it's the same surprise they have been giving for nine straight years. i think frankly, it reflects the desperation of the kamala harris campaign and i hope you saw the 94-year-old holocaust survivor who put up a video, which i think is actually incredibly important for everybody to acknowledge. nothing in the united states today is remotely similar to nazi germany or to alolf hitler but if you want to have a discussion about authoritarianism and which party is more authoritarian, i would

point out they are trying democrats to bankrupt donald trump, to put him in prison for the rest of his life, and i believe they have created the environment by which people have tried twice to assassinate donald trump, so if you want to argue which party is more likely to embrace authoritarianism, i think that it's kamala harris' party. look, howie, we don't talk about this enough but trump, if he had truly wanted to take dictatorial powers no one has since 9/11 more power to take over everything than in march of 2020 during covid. do you know what trump did? he deferred to mayors and governors all over the country when he could have taken near dictatorial power he passed on it. howie: i be careful about democrats creating an environment in which two crazy people tried to shoot at the former president. megan, general says he spoke out

because of trump attacking the enemy within, and named nancy pelosi and adam schiff and the possibility of using the military against americans that he deems enemies or law breakers. >> this isn't the first file that general kelly said it. he said it in march, this is not the first person to say a lot of his -- howie: and hear his voice. >> that's fair but he did give an interview to a cnn reporter that was in a book, but i also think that it's not just him that's saying this. a lot of it is national security cabinet. where is his vice president? no one is backing him and these people he's known and have worked closely with him. that is a problem so of course the media is covering it and of course it's an incredibly, you know, important moment in time in history and also while the vice president is trying to create a contrast in leadership style it is important for the media to cover it but it's not the first time people have been saying this. howie: right, again, if you read an article with somebody's quoted that's one thing. and a voice that's very different. clay, doesn't this feel a bit like old news, to many people, particularly trump supporters given that almost all of

this has been reported before, in books, articles, in the atlantic, with kelly obviously as a key source before he went fully public. >> yeah, which is why i think that it's a reflection of the desperation of kamala harris' campaign. i mean, they basically have decided trump is hitler and we're going to have a hand mades tail and every pregnant woman will get registered and dragged out by her hair. it's as everyone was arguing just a few months ago and also i would just come back to this. look, to me, what this represents is we have seen trump attacked for being racist and sexist to such an extent that it doesn't register anymore. everybody has already banked this in. i think trump is going to go out and win the popular vote but this is actually, again, a function of the weakness of kamala harris' campaign, that they are trying to argue that he's a fascist.

guys? i'm only 10% of the american public even knows what a fascist is. it's certainly not going to make a difference for a pennsylvania, wisconsin, or michigan blue collar workers whose trying to decide how to feed their family when they walk into a grocery store and have to deal with rising prices all the time. i think again, trump is surging. kamala is collapsing and this is why he's not only going to win the electoral college in what, 10 days? i think he's going to come out and actually win the popular vote which throws msnbc and cnn for a loop. howie: let me put up a couple of magazine covers. the first one is from the new republic, and then we have a cover from the new yorker. both this year, so, megan? the media spent years portraying trump as a fascist authoritarian making hitler comparisons. at some point, doesn't it just become noise if we hear it that much? >> i think it does become noise but i also think it becomes

noise within your own base and with your social media following, but i don't think it comes noise with people who are undecided and still out there, still trying to make a decision not paying attention until recently. i think they are being reminded of what the four years of donald trump is like and deciding whether they will get off the couch and vote or get off the couch and vote for the vice president so yes, it is noise to all of us who are covering it, but it's not noise to people just tuning in and in these battleground states. howie: during our interview when trump was criticizing joe scarborough, he denied anybody made threats toward morning joe, was a video, steve bannon, and kash patel, if trump wins is in line for a major cabinet post. let's take a look at that. >> i want the morning joe producers to watch us and all of the producers to watch us. this is just not rhetoric. we're absolutely dead serious. >> yes, we're going to come after the people of the media who lied about american citizens and helped joe biden rig presidential elections and we'll come after you whether it's

criminally or civilly. howie: clay is donald trump effectively serving notice he is going to go after the media. >> let's point out steve bannon is currently in prison so if you want to talk about somebody being in prison for their political opinions steve is there and are a lot of people targeted, but you think there's no functional equivalent to that for what trump did to someone who was a critic of his, on the other side, in terms of them being in prison. no, i actually think, howie, trump is going to govern the same way he did when he got into office and he said you know what? we're not going to lock hillary clinton up. i'm going for far more generous than i maybe was expected to be. let me give you one that deserves more attention and hasn't gotten a lot of discussion. trump said he may well pardon hunter biden. let me repeat that because it didn't get a lot of attention. trump said when he comes into office he may well pardon hunter biden. i actually think that be a great gesture. i happen to think that joe biden

on his way out is going to pardon his son so i don't think trump would even have that opportunity, but i think trump understands having been targeted himself, having seen eric, having seen don trump jr. , ivanka come into the target as well there is an element of trying to build back a national consensus where everybody makes more money, where prices are all lower, white, black, asian, hispanic, gay, straight, everybody benefits as they did prior to covid hitting in february of 2020 and absolutely derailing the best economy we ever had in the history of the united states. i think that's it. i think that's what's going on here and trump won't imprison his political opponents. howie: so megan does this have a chilling effect on the press and also what i'm reading from some trump supporters is they think he says a lot of this stuff but he's not actually going to carry it out and they obviously could also have a debate but does this have a chilling effect on the press? >> yes, but his supporter is different than him saying it, so him saying he's going to remove

the likeness of cbs. those are concerning to me. his supporters saying things are very different you shouldn't be held accountable for everything a reporter says but i know that a lot of reporters and a lot of people out there covering it are concerned about that. howie: clay i have half a minute. what happened when donald trump sat down with tyrus? if you can briefly explain. >> yeah, both from my enter view and with tyrus facebook refused to allow our interviews to be shared on their platform and they claim they are trying not to have an impact op election interference and everything else and they said oh, it was just a glitch in the system. meanwhile, every kamala harris interview miraculously we tested is able to easily be shared and tyrus enter view with trump, was not. i find it hard to believe it's a coincidence. howie: when we come back, kamala harris finally doing lots of interviews but often making no news.

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news? meanwhile donald trump loves to go off script is making news five times a day. >> well, i think the problem kamala has is she actually makes news and it's for having the exact opposed positions, and that's why she is so cautious in all these interviews. when you've supported the idea of a border wall is racist, and now you say you want to build a border wall it's hard to reconcile those opinions. you've got both sides on fracking and heck both sides whether paper straws should exist or not. i think what comes through is whether or not you agree with trump, there is an authenticity there. kamala harris always feels, to me, like a typical politician where she's trying to get a way to have everybody like her, and the end result is almost no one does. howie: fenagle, it's a word you don't laredo m hear much th. megan where is the line where discipline and endless

repetition which amounts to just repeating the same talking points? >> i think she has to walk the line here of being genuine to who she is and authentic to who she is. she's only been in for some 90 some days. howie: she has been vice president of course for four years. >> correct but then also being authentic and giving answers that people care about but i do think that she does walk a tough line but the media has complained endless law enforcement she wasn't doing interviews and now she is and they aren't covering it but over 7 million people watched the bret baier interview. howie: you know, the interview on cbs this morning, she was asked several times by nora o'donnell, play, about restrictions on abortions and she just kept going back to i want to restore roe v. wade. i know you have this prediction about trump but the polls are tight, often one or two points but the feeling among many democrats and this is coming out

in blind quotes is that trump is on track to win. do you have a sense that kamala harris is running out the clock even though she's not ahead? many would say it's a virtual tie at this point. >> i think it's a panics campaign and again when you're coming back to hitler and abortion, let's talk about abortion for a second. the new york times to their credit had a huge front page story. there's more abortions in america since roe v. wade was overturned? i think the idea that you are going to have like we said pregnancy registers or you'll have shock troops showing up trying to grab women who are pregnant it's not just not a reality for what's going on out in the field of play so to speak in the battleground states. here is the other thing and i think this is really significant. wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania, the so-called blue wall states, all three democrat senate nominees are running ads with donald trump in them talking about how they are going to work with trump and

have worked with him in the past. if kamala harris were winning in those states, there be republican senate candidates saying hey, we'll try to work with kamala harris. we're going to try to bridge divides. kamala is going to lose all three states and i think you can tell she's losing right now by the way that the democrat senate candidates in those midwestern big 10 states are running their campaigns. they are trying to connect themselves with trump. he's not hitler. if he were hitler they wouldn't be running ads with him in them trying to get people in the midwest to split their ticket and vote trump and for them as well. howie: if the vice president loses one of those states particularly pennsylvania, i think the election is over but she's been campaigning as you know, megan, with liz cheney the former former republican congresswoman and let's take a brief look. >> he says he'll terminated the constitution, deploy the military against the enemy within. that is a risk that we just

simply can't take. howie: so, if she's going to campaign with a life long conservative, shouldn't she offer something to those voters more conservative voters that actually might break with some part of the democratic left wing line? >> she's a democrat and she has democratic policies. she's campaigning with liz cheney because liz cheney deeply believes in her heart that donald trump is a threat to democracy. howie: but what does she have to offer republican voters? >> she's not a threat to democracy. i think that is what she's saying. howie: it's basically she's not donald trump. >> and she's not a threat to democracy and wants to uphold our constitution. i don't think she needs to go off the democratic policies and go anywhere, to the right to get those people. just saying she's not donald trump and believes in the constitution is enough for these people. howie: if she did decide to do that in the final nine days she would get media attention, clay travis, megan heys thanks for joining us. billionaire owners kill kamala harris endorsements at the washington post and l.a. times.

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howie: the washington post is making no endorsement for president for the first time since the 80s and jeff bezos killed an endorsement of kamala harris. the paper will be sending this out, and the guy who was reporter from britain a statement of support for our reader's ability to make up their own minds so joining us from new york, molly lion. what have you been able to find out about the intensity of this revolt? reporter: well, it's pretty interesting, and i think one of the reasons that the revolt so to say and the intensity of the story stems from the timing on this. so close to the actual election and election day. now, for a great many decades, actually, big name papers have stopped endorsing candidates but the timing of this has been particularly impactful making the story more interesting, but the other question is also the perception of editorial boards and that they are

independent. that they have their own minds and in this case where both newspapers actually kind of reporting in this bizarre circular fashion on what's going on in their own newsrooms, have acknowledged that the owners played this role in the decision not to make an endorsement and that has raised the question about, you know, whose insights and whose power and influence are affecting the editorial boards, the editorial board decision and that has led to a slew of resignations, people felt like they needed to make a stand saying this is not appropriate but it mostly goes back to the timing issue. howie: right. why do this now? 10 days or so, before the election, and you know, in my view, they tell us what to think, all year long can basically is bashing donald trump and then they are punting on this , oh, we couldn't possibly influence people. you have had, for example, at the washington post board member robert kagan resigning, and i'll just read off some of this.

marty maron, former editor of the post, spine lessness, and saying this is surprising and disappointing two opinion columnist yesterday in the paper said this was terrible, 20,000 subscriptions canceled and by the way, jeff bezos does a lot of business with the federal government. >> i think you're raising a great point there and there was just an article in the hill highlighting former president actually met with leaders from jeff bezos' company, an aerospace company, blue origin, following his speech down in austin, texas. not necessarily with bezos himself but with the company which speaks to questions as to whether or not the owners of these big papers are in any way influenced by their own personal business interests. so, that raises a great point, howie. howie: at the l.a. times, three top editors resigned in protest. the owner, patrick sushong said he wants to be less divisive in this polarized atmosphere. that would have been fine if they said that six months ago or three months from now. his daughter says she was

involved in the process and this is really about the us financing genocide in gaza so they are unhappy with the position there. so, what's your takeaway from both of these cases? >> yeah, in the instance of the daughter particularly fascinating because then you have a paper questioning, you know, how broadly the entire family is having an influence not just on the editorial page but potentially on what's covered in the newspaper itself. the times owner, as you mentioned, he had put out a statement. he said i have no regrets whatsoever. in fact i think it was exactly the right decision. the process was to decide how do we actually best inform our readers and there's nobody better than us to try to sift through the facts from the fiction. howie: it's a nice try, but the fact is these newsrooms are in an uproar and this will be remembered 10 years from now. i know we'll talk to you a little later molly so thank you for that. next on mediabuzz donald trump spends three colorful hours with joe rogan.

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howie: donald trump spent three hours talking to the insanely popular podcaster joe rogan and this was posted yesterday. >> i always got more publicity than other people. >> i could definitely tell you. you said a lot of wild things. >> maybe. >> and then cnn in all their brilliance by highlighting that makes you much more popular and the media to a large extent acts as a opportunistic arm for the democratic party. howie: joining us from new york, caroline downey, a staff writer for national review and who played donald trump in debate prep with kamala harris and was a top state department official under hillary clinton. caroline, what does trump get out of a three-hour sit-down with joe rogan in that particular audience which went off into whether aliens in outer space and lots of other stuff racked up 11 million views in less than a day. >> right, and under 10 hours,

i'll add. it racked up over, you know, 10, 11 million views, and you know, howie. of course trump lacks philosophical about extra terestrial topics, and you know, whale psychiatry and other wonky things but this interview humanized him, and that's the net benefit to his campaign, because with every tv hit that kamala harris does, she comes off more bitter, more angry, and more jaded, whereas trump comes off as a normal guy, and this audience that joe rogan caters to is predominantly gen z. it's young people. his pop culture podcast alone has an audience of 14 million people. so, you know, kamala harris claims she's trying to cater to the younger generation, but she's sticking to legacy media interviews for the most part and she refused to go on rogan. howie: well i don't think that's true. i think she wanted to go on joe rogan and rogan didn't want her so even though rogan has had

refused to have i should say trump on in the past, he seemed largely sympathetic to the former president and you heard him dismiss the media as a bunch of left wing democrats. >> well, i mean, i think donald trump was with you, just a week or two ago. so legacy media apparently does have its value and caroline, nice to meet you, but look, i think caroline and i are watching two different donald trumps. the one that i watch is not normal. the one that i watch takes, you know, a stroll down genetalia lane and starts talking about former golf pros and their 9 irons. that is not talking about what voters want to hear. i went back and i looked at the debate and there's a word he never uses once and it's "future" and i start to think in all of the rallies, you know, there are a lot of things i don't do that your audience does. i'm pretty comfortable in saying i've watched more of donald trump in the last six months than anyone watching right now. howie: it's your job. >> it was my job and he does

not talk about the future. he talks about his own past about rewriting his own past, whether he lost or you want to call it that he fled or for it or forfeited it doesn't matter. he is not talking to voters about going forward. he's saying stuff, the closest to it is i'm going to solve inflation on day one. how do you do that exactly? that is not possible. i don't think anyone with a brain thinks that it is possible. that's not a plan. he's asked about child care and he rambles for three minutes. he's on joe rogan and look, i think joe rogan made sense for him. he said something about whales and whales and the problems -- howie: he has three hours to fill. >> i know, but he knows, he's a self-described expert, but he knows that he's got, that something is going to stand out and be on tv. howie: well, let's look at, you know, in fact when our interview wrapped trump told me he was getting on a plane to go to

arnold palmer's hometown in pennsylvania. he didn't tell me what he did next and let's play some of that. >> but when he took showers with the other pros they came out of there. they said oh, my god. howie: caroline, is it a little strange for former president to be going on about arnold polymer's genetalia? it brought a lot from the media or you could say he's just being entertaining? >> sure. i can admit, howie, it's bizarre but democratic media is kidding themselves if they think voters are suddenly going to have an epiphany about trump's ptrump's perpall it in the nexta half. trump's speaking style shocks no one any more, and it baked into the electoral equation and kamala harris is coming off bitter and resentful. they are going on about fascism and meanwhile the fascist in question was just in an apron at the mcdonald's drive-thru window

and today he's at madison square garden so the media reactions or i should say over-reactions to trump's rif at the rally, or riffing on joe rogan, it's not breaking through. howie: well, since she brought up mcdonald's, it was a really striking sight to see trump working the fry county and this was intended to suggest that kamala harris didn't really work at one when she was in college, but most people are saying well, it was kind of a cool move. >> oh, it was smart. howie: why didn't kamala harris do it first? >> well i think the vice president does all sorts of things to show who she is, including being herself. i mean, i've always thought it was noticeable very notable that former president trump just never laughs which is strange. if you want to talk about bizarre behavior and then accusing the vice president of laughing as some kind of problem but look, mcdonald's was something that stands out because it's really the only time he's done that in nine years. god knows what it took for his

staff. probably they knew if you tell them let's go to mcdonald's that would do it but look, i disagree with caroline in the sense that there are people in both parties who are just not sure. are there a lot? no. but this election is going to be tight as a tick and when donald trump goes on joe rogan, he is by and large speaking, preaching to the choir. when kamala harris comes on fox and talks to bret baier, she is trying to talk to people who don't, who are not convinced or not comfortable with his language and his behavior being baked into the cake. yeah, they might agree with him policy-wise, but those people vote against him in 2020. he lost in 2020 because of republicans that abandoned him. howie: she did come back and say she supports a rise in minimum winkler which donald trump does not and new york times said she did work with kamala years ago at mcdonald's. after the break the vice president goes on cnn and gets

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there's a good chance of your taxes? >> we can't have this conversation without knowing it's very complicated situation, right? howie: cnn's own pundits panned her performance. >> i think that got her tripped up at certain times was when certain voters were asking to drill down actually on policy. >> i think the word salad stuff gets on my nerves and some of these aren't necessary. >> when she doesn't want to answer a question, her habit is to kind of go to word salad city. howie: caroline when you've lost cnn after being on cnn, not a good sign. >> not a great sign, howie. even liberal media is admitting that kamala harris is incapable of conveying anything comprehensible when msnbc asked her last week, how she would raise the corp. ratted tax rate, if the gop takes control of the senate. she simply responded, we have to raise corporate taxes. she couldn't process the concept. some publications have trade to be kind to her like the new york times said she's been

"strategically vague" or she's been light on details, but howie, i think the worst bad omen for kamala harris right now, from legacy media, is the lack of endorsements which you mentioned in an earlier segment. the washington post is not issuing an endorsement of candidate for the first time in 36 years. "the l.a. times" did the same thing last week. and they supported biden in the past, so why is kamala harris different? howie: well, the media loved kamala harris in my view, but increasingly seems like her closing message is i'm not him. >> well, to begin with on the endorsement front, i think if we want to start counting them, she has the endorsement of over 700 people in the washington republican larger environment who worked for him or supported him, including his chief of staff, john kelly, whose a four star and i know megan and you discussed this earlier, but these things are significant, because they know that he's just not fit and

yes, when she talks about him that is an important point to make. i think in the specific clip that you were showing she was having it was a challenge to talk about his plan so when he says inflation, i'm going to get rid of inflation on day one, how do you talk about his plan when that's not a plan? it's just empty rhetoric. i think, you know, in terms of the media, it's funny to watch cnn and see the cnn panel criticize her and then say that cnn is part of the liberal media. to me, it looked like they were calling balls and strikes as they saw it, and look-- howie: that's their job. >> and republicans go on and they never say anything bad about donald trump because they are talking to one person, donald trump, whose watching tv and god forbid they do anything to ruffle his feathers. howie: and the vice president is winning the celebrity sweepstakes and come paining to bruce springsteen and beyonce, and i don't think that moves

votes, michelle obama spoke on her behalf so but axios is reporting caroline that a growing number of top democrats including people from the harris campaign feel or fear that she will lose and the finger pointing has begun. does that undercut her when this leaks into the press? >> well, yeah. i think the internal numbers also are a warning sign for kamala harris' campaign, and there are certainly handlers on the inside that are panicking and that's documented for a while now. i want to talk about what you mentioned about celebrities, howie. celebrity factor does not compensate for real charisma and real talent and real policy which kamala harris lacks. you're showing beyonce on the screen right now. she was supposed to allegedly perform at a rally yesterday for kamala harris and when she didn't sing, she just stumped briefly, there was basically a mutany. that wouldn't happen at a trump rally because he is the celebrity. he has that star power for which

there is no substitute unfortunately. kamala harris cannot be because she doesn't have it. howie: let me jump in and play a sound bite of president biden out campaigning for his vice president. i'll ask a question on the other side. >> we've got to lock him up. >> [applause] >> political lock him up. lock him out. howie: um, when this comes up, caroline, how is that helping? and when this comes up, he says lock him up and kamala harris always says we'll let the courts deal with that. >> right and it's quite a freudian slip, howie, because it's no secret that biden has wanted to lock up trump for a long time. he has this habit of letting slip, his connection to the democrats lawfare against trump, remember the jack smith cases, those could not have proceeded if biden did not give the green

light and ultimately you're right. this is a drag on kamala harris' campaign, but i will say she's not helping herself, because she has so far failed to separate herself from biden's record. howie: i agree with the second part and apparently he wants to campaign more and we'll get back to you. filipe, you've played donald trump for kamala harris' debate prep. what was it like and did you anticipate what he was going to do? >> well it was very simple because he repeats himself. what he's repeating is not necessarily very healthy. i think that it plays to his crowd and if their plan is to just rely on hard core republicans, then that's fine. if he's trying in any way to peel off people, then that's not the way to do it. how howie: but you had to portray what you thought he would say. >> pretty much and i watch every public appearance and he makes it pretty easy to know what he's going to say. people who interview him know what he's going to say but on

caroline's last point there's a couple things. first off to say that joe biden is committing, you know, lawfare, it's two things. one he is the president of the united states. if he wanted to do something, he has the authority to do it. second of all, to cite the jack smith, the special counsel cases, as going forward -- howie: he says he's going to kick him out of the country. >> but also they have all been bumped until after the election so you can't say that joe biden has endless authority, but that the authority is not doing anything. and look, i worked for hillary. i went through six months of lock her up. it is comical of all things for anyone to get all upset that a democrat says lock him up about anybody. howie: we've got to go, thank you, still to come "60 minutes" tries to defend its editing of that kamala harris interview.

howie: donald trump won cbs to lose its broadcasting license, over the fiasco with "60 minutes" which showed a promo clip with kamala harris giving a lengthy answer to a bill whitaker question but aired a different shorter answer to the same question. this came up during our interview. >> i think it's the biggest scandal i've seen for a broadcaster and "60 minutes" i think it should be taken off the air. howie: after a week of silence, this statement same question same answer but a different portion of the response. the position of her answer, the portion of her answer i should say, on "60 minutes" was more succinct which allows time for other subjects in a 21 minute segment we're back with molly line. what do you make of cbs's

statement saying, you know, we did it and everything is fine. >> i don't know if it's the biggest scandal ever in broadcast history, i don't know if i'd agree with that but i'm not surprised that cbs pushed back on trump's assertion in this case, and that there's a continued back and forth. former president has been pretty bold on this , calling for the revoke of a license, the lawyer has gone even farther and reached out to cbs in recent days and has made even insisting that the interview looking for bigger answers, that president trump has alleged that cbs is doctoring of harris' answer and cbs responded that in a letter insisting that the interview was not doctored. what this really comes down to is an issue of trust, and can the viewers, can the voters trust cbs on this issue. they could release the transcript, and answer that question. that's actually what a majority of voters according to a new harvard poll would like to see. 85% of americans want cbs to take that step to release the full script, transcript.

87% of democrats, 88% of republicans, 80% of independence. so in the issue of transparency it seems that well president trump is calling for a revoke of a license. howie: you know what? >> the viewers would like to see just some blatant transparency. howie: i don't agree with revoking a whole license, but if this transcript exonerated cbs, it would have been up in 10 minutes and on this other question, i mean basically said yeah, we did it, and it made her look better by giving more succinct answer. i don't think that that is acceptable. so the transcript really has now become issue number one. >> you know, and there's a precedent for cbs releasing transcripts. they have done it in the past. the former fox reporter as well as cbs reporter katherine herrige who conducted a 2020 interview with president trump pointed out among those urging the network to release it was done about transparency and standing behind the integrity of the final edit is what she posted on x, and there have been other

transcripts as well released by the network. fox digital reports, sorry, that in 2021 interview with harris was released. howie: thank you, molly. see more of molly line on the big show 7:00 eastern. the washington post reports that nicole shanahon, the weds it entrepreneur which bank rolled the campaign as his runningmate offered to pay a washington post reporter half a million dollars to be a "whistleblower" and expose people shanahan claimed and the reporter did not respond. that's it for this edition of mediabuzz. i'm howard kurtz it be nice if you checked out my daily free podcast buzz meter, we have a lot of fun there and i'll also say now, that you are watching and thank you for watching the only national media program. on national television.

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