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>> we do have very high inflation rates across the country. this is certainly most especially true in alaska when you compound that with shipping costs. >> now you will find the most swing district in the country is southern new mexico. a republican is trying to reclaim that seat. she barely lost to the democrat two years ago. >> i don't think anybody could have imagined the border being wide open and 18 million people coming into the country illegally. immigration reform. >> that new mexico seat has flipped between the parties every cycle since 2016. there are also competitive races in colorado and oregon. >> bill: we'll lean on you rick chad. nice to see you on capitol hill. he knows all. >> dana: the last day of the 2024 campaign and both candidates are giving it everything they've got.
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right now former president trump is about to take the stage at an event in north carolina as he gets ready to wrap up his third and as he says final presidential campaign. welcome to a new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm dana perino. >> bill: almost there, kid. all right? almost there. >> dana: one foot in front of the other. >> bill: i'm bill hemmer. been a long campaign leading up to election day when voters will fine le decide who they want in the white house the next four years. former president donald trump holding four rallies today, three critical battlegrounds, north carolina, pennsylvania, and then michigan. the v.p. kamala harris making a final blitz making three stops today only in pennsylvania, the top prize among all the swing states with 19 electoral votes. >> dana: both sides are boiling down their final message. >> kamala harris's agenda is go from the economy from the middle out. make streets safer. work on bipartisan immigration reform. donald trump's agenda is to
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divide us from each other. >> our message to every voter has been consistent. we're in a great position to win but have to win on election day and we need everybody who supports donald trump to go vote, vote, vote. >> dana: fox team coverage bryan llenas is covering the harris campaign in pennsylvania. aishah hosni is at the trump rally in raleigh, north carolina. let's get to her. >> good morning, dana and bill. the trump team feels, knows, acknowledges the battlegrounds states are close but feel that's thaw the former president whats a strong lead and they are very pleased with the early voting turnout if states like north carolina where they've claiming victory on those numbers. you can read it for yourself. 56% of registered voters have already cast ballots. you can see more registered republicans have voted already over registered democrats. i talked to some of those republicans this morning. they are not surprised by the
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numbers. >> no, not surprised at all because it is not the same as 2020 or 2016. >> it is history. donald trump is for us, you know. he doesn't care about the rich washington elite. he is for the everyday american. >> so put early voting off to the side. what does the campaign think about tomorrow? they are telling me it is expecting a massive wave of traditional gop voters. last night trump summed up his final pitch to a huge crowd in macon, georgia. >> i would like to begin by asking you a very simple question. are you better off now than you were four years ago? >> no! >> with your vote on tuesday, i will end inflation, i will stop the invasion of criminals coming into our country. and i will bring back the american dream.
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[cheers and applause] >> dana, i just asked the campaign how the former president is feeling today. got to thumbs-up. back to you. >> dana: that's better than a thumbs down, right? thank you. >> bill: meanwhile in pennsylvania vice president kamala harris will blitz the keystone state today. most of that in the southeastern corner. not all of it. she will head to pittsburgh later tonight. bryan llenas begins our coverage in allentown this hour. >> good morning. vice president kamala harris spending her final hours, all of them here in the pivotal commonwealth of pennsylvania. she will start by door knocking in scranton. president biden's hometown before coming to a rally here in allentown. she will make a campaign stop in redding, pennsylvania, with aoc and pennsylvania's governor josh shapiro before ending today with two major rallies and concerts in pittsburgh and philadelphia featuring stars like lady gaga and oprah. the purpose is to drive up voter turnout.
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last night at a rally in michigan for the first time as the democratic nominee harris did not mention former president trump by name at a rally as she tries to deliver a message of unity. >> we have the momentum because our campaign is tapping into the ambitions, the aspirations and the dreams of the american people because we are optimistic and excited about what we can do together. [cheers and applause] >> two of harris's stops today in allentown and redding are notable. majority latino cam untease, primarily puerto rico playing up the insult calling puerto rico and island of garbage made by the comedian at the trump rally. democrats think it is making a difference on the ground. >> it is aggravated a lot of people. a lot of people who i think
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might have been on the couch, it was kind of a wake-up call. yesterday afternoon driving in there were harris volunteers everywhere. i haven't seen any of the trump folks. >> that was the mayor of allentown. for democrats the concern is the mail-in ballot return advantage in pennsylvania has shrunk. over a million more registered democrats than republicans voted by mail in 2020. this year that advantage is just over 400,000. this means, dana and bill, that 75% of the vote is still out there for election day and why voter turnout is so important here in pennsylvania. a race decided by a point or less the last two elections. >> bill: amazing thing a comic can be on stage at 2:30 in the afternoon and the candidate comes out hours later and still a story today. allentown, there we go. >> dana: both candidates are pushing the get out the vote on the final day before million is of americans head to the polls for in person voting.
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more than 77 million already casting ballots by mail or in early voting in person. and with 19 electoral votes pennsylvania is getting a lot of attention today. chief political analyst brit hume is with us here. "the new york times" has the headline in pennsylvania republicans stress optimism. democrats just stress. is that typical or does that tell you anything? >> i don't think it tells us very much. the mood of the campaigns is interesting at a certain point. in fact actually, dana, when we used to cover things the old-fashioned way before there were so many polls we would care about that. you would go to rallies and talk to the campaign managers and so on and pick up a sense of their optimism. they have internal data they don't publish and they oftentimes -- they used to tell you something. nowadays we're so swamped with polls and the polls over time have been reasonably helpful. what we do is we start with the polls and work back, right?
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and i think, you know, the polling troubles we've had in the last two cycles might no longer be the best way to do it. >> bill: excellent point. you used to gauge it by the attitude, energy, enthusiasm, message. how he or she was feeling or acting on a particular day. >> you would see a candidate whose campaigning one thing and switches to something else at a certain stage. sometimes a candidate can find a message and go with it and you can sense whether it is working. sometimes they are changing because what they are doing isn't working and they think they're in trouble. all signs we used to look for and still do to some extent. most of the time we look at those and say what do the polls say, right? >> bill: it's where we are. vivek ramaswamy on the youth vote, gen z with jesse. >> in particular i think one thing that will swing this election is gen z turnout in places like pennsylvania. if they come out in droves. what i'm seeing is a big turn to
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trump among young voters. if they show up the first time voters it could be the margin here. if they don't show up i think it is a different story. >> 25 and under are in low margins for those who vote. registrations gains that republicans have made in the battleground states, they really think it could be the secret sauce on tuesday. >> if you look for a broad overall trend in this election and hear that republicans growth in registration has been much greater in key places than the democrats you would think it was really a telltale sign. now what we're hearing is also high early vote turnout by republicans, much higher than before. you would normally think of that as a sign. and yet democrats are saying they are just cannibalizing the election day vote. i heard that from republicans four years ago about the early vote when democrats were doing
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better. republicans it's just cannibalizing the election day vote. republicans figured out that getting them out early is a good idea and doing it this time. >> bill: a good spin cycle. >> dana: i'm interested in seeing the political realignment we live through plays out. the union vote, for example, the big gender gap between men and women and population changes. a lot of people moving into north carolina. but also they've lost 270,000 democrats they say in north carolina. it feels like maybe the board has been upended. >> it does. we'll look at this realignment is real. the republican party we knew the reagan republican party is gone and even if trump falters, fails, doesn't win, and ends his political career, the changes that have been wrought while he has been the prominent figure in the party are enduring and we have a new republican party for sure.
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>> bill: i wonder who picks up the mantel if that's the case. if he were to win it would be one of the more dynamic political stories in american history. >> i remember vividly. embarrassed myself. after january 6th i said this guy is done. he is radioactive. the republican party is going to reject him now. this is a horrible mess that was made there and the whole fight to try to overturn the election was a terrible mistake i thought and i thought it would be the end of him and boy, was i wrong. >> bill: if she wins it's history also. >> i should say so. first black, first woman, first black woman, first woman. >> dana: don't forget the switch. 100 days to campaign. >> never seen an election like this? i don't remember a sitting president up for re-election dropping out of the race with weeks to go. that was a big deal. >> bill: a hell of a day, a long night. >> dana: an honor to sit with you tomorrow night on election
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night. >> glad to be able to be there. >> at the end of the day the thing that's never stated you realize he doesn't need to be here and incredible love for this country to do what he is doing. we're feeling it today. >> dana: former president trump making a final push before election day tomorrow. >> both sides are gearing up for a battle. i when think it will be bumpy. i do. november and december will be recounts, bumpy, close. >> bill: look out for the lawyers. you will bump into them. attorneys on both sides duking it out in the courtroom already. it could be remembered as the litigation election. veteran homeowners checked your credit card rates lately? many are over 22%, near 30% if you pay late. why not do what thousands of veteran families have done. call newday and pay off that high rate debt with the lower rate newday 100 va cash out loan.
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>> dana: now to the fight for the senate. democrats are on defense. one race where they are trying to pull an upset is in florida. de debbie powell is fighting to oust incumbent rick scott. ballot measures on abortion and marijuana. this is a re liable republican state. there is a possibility that the democrat pulls ahead? >> you are right. it certainly has changed from a decade ago when it was the king of all swing states. we just spoke to rick scott a few minutes ago. he is crisscrossing the state and he said he was stunned -- that the strong support republicans are getting in early voting in florida especially in key democratic strongholds like miami-dade county in the south. here is the senator.
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>> republicans have way outpaced democrats so far. typically republicans come out an election day and how we win. there is so much energy. i've been traveling the state. i will be in several counties and there will be so much energy. people want change. they know what's on the ballot. >> already 8 million out of florida's 13 million voters have voted early. a couple of items on the ballot could complicate things. one is abortion initiative extend florida's strict abortion ban from six weeks to 24 weeks. the second would be legalizing recreational marijuana. both ballot initiatives would need 60% to win. back to you. >> dana: always good to see you. thank you. >> bill: this election expected to be the most litigated in u.s. history. 100 lawsuits filed across the battleground states in this year's cycle. could be more. kerri urbahn is with us now.
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why the level of litigation this time around? >> it all goes back to covid when we saw the widespread introduction of mail-in voting. the state laws are still ambiguous in certain places. all kinds of questions trois is a signature, a date, an envelope. it sound silly not when it comes to lawsuits. that's why i think we're seeing the amount of lawsuits that we're seeing this time around for 2024. plus we as a nation have moved toward the concept of election season versus election day. if i were to characterize the nature of the lawsuits the dnc is focusing on if the amount of mail-in ballots and making sure people have access to them. the lawsuits from them involve them alleging people haven't received the ones they were supposed to and making sure they get them. rnc's lawsuits are focusing on the validity of mail-in ballots and rules govern them especially around what i just said.
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you can imagine the clash that can occur when those two focuses meet. >> dana: they said late mail ballots are okay or illegal? that 18 states count mail boll ballots straggle in. it's a worthwhile project. what were the governors and state legislators thinking? if you want people in your state to have confidence in the integrity of their vote, they should have fixed this. >> that's what's us from frust traiting about this. i don't think the system is broken but certainly made things a lot more challenging. especially with the ambiguity. any good lawyer is going to look for ambiguity and hone in on that and what you see a lot happening in the lawsuits across the country. >> bill: governor sununu is on his way out and said it to neil. >> nobody can say they would
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accept it and move on and got ugly. if it's close don't think for a second kamala harris will second a close loss and move on. i don't buy that at all. there is a reason she hired 5,000 lawyers. a reason you hire 5,000 lawyers. that is to fight to the death. >> bill: distinction there is neither one has power, right? neither one is president. i would compare it to 2000 if indeed we go into a fight like this between gore and bush. gore the sitting v.p. at the time. what is your thought on that? >> it is important to remember the timing and process. the election is called last night or tomorrow morning and canvassing and certification can take one to two weeks. at that point only if it's very close and certain states have different margins of error can recount laws be triggered. some swing states it is triggered if it's a.5% difference.
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in other states the candidate have to request it or if it's a certain margin and if three people in a county allege fraud. three. don't know, it's one of these wonderful challenges we're looking at. three people can trigger a recount as well. >> dana: any people? >> three votes. pennsylvania it's one of the laws in the books there. my point in saying all this is if it's close, these are -- this could take time especially because the rules are different in every state. >> dana: can i ask you something about the supreme court? let's hope it doesn't have to get to that, right? are they just on stand by there in washington, d.c. ready to receive if they have a big case? >> i think so but look, i think that's also why they acted quickly last week. it becomes a lot harder after votes are in for courts to do much because again it really comes down to whether or not the law was ambiguous. especially with respect to
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mail-in voting where it gets tricky to litigate that kind of alleged fraud is when a mail-in ballot is submitted and separated out of the mailer and goes into the system. even if someone were to allege the ballots were fraudulently mailed in you can't figure out if they were after the fact because they've been straighted out of their envelopes. and so these are just some of the challenges that come along with litigating voter fraud in the era of mail-in voting. >> bill: it is about voter intent and a judge will decide that. >> it will be interesting. >> dana: glad you're hear. control of the senate is hanging in the balance. one of the key races is in texas, allred is fighting to unseat cruz. plus could anger over the war in gaza cost vice president harris the state of michigan? what voters there are saying.
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>> dana: it's a showdown in the lone star state. cruz trying to hold onto his seat and finding himself in an unexpectedly tight raise with democratic challenger colin allred. i call texas fool's gold for democrats. will i be proven wrong this time around? >> the reason for that, dana, is a democrat has not won a statewide election in 30 years. since 1994. but texas republican senator ted cruz says the left has put a bull's-eye in the state of texas and he sees himself as their number one target. right now cruz is in the polls
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leading by a four-point lead over allred according to a recent "new york times" poll. cruz no stranger to a tight race. in 2018 he narrowly defeated beta o'rourke. he has compared his opponent to v.p. kamala harris when it comes to immigration, lgbtq and the economy. allred has made abortion rights the forefront of his campaign. made jabs at cruz for his controversial 2021 escape to mexico during a deadly winter storm. >> i look at those 20,000 elected democrat delegates pushing a radical agenda that is hurting texas and hurting this country and they see me as a critical obstacle to their implementing their radical agenda. >> roe v. wade the law of the land again, that sound good?
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>> both campaigns have poured millions of dollars into what has become one of the most expensive senate races, dana. >> dana: brooke taylor, thank you for us in houston. >> i want to say this year has been difficult given the scale of death and destruction in gaza and given the civilian casualties and displacement in lebanon. it is devastating. and as president i will do everything in my power to end the war in gaza. >> dana: she is pitches uny to arab american voters in michigan. former hillary clinton advisor and republican media strategist are here. thank you for being here. this has been an interesting issue to wash. jewish american voters are paying a lot of attention to this and both of these groups make up small percentages of the electorate in the battleground states but could it be determinative in this case?
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philippe, go to you first. >> as a jewish american i can say i'm making that same math and choice as many are. if some person wants to make it their number one criteria whether they live in michigan or new york or wyoming, great. let's look at what they've each done. joe biden within days went to israel to show support with netanyahu despite the fact that netanyahu has had bad relations with biden in the past. i thought it was brave. we have armed them with everything they have needed to basically defeat hamas, defeat hezbollah and give a pretty good ass kicking to iran. i understand both sides of people who are supportive of israel and people who are critical. i don't know how it washes out in the end. but look, if people want to vote that way they should look beyond someone who says i will end that war in a day. if you could end that war in a day why waiting until
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january 20th? do it tomorrow or a month ago. >> dana: this morning i was reading jewish insider and josh kraushaar was reporting on a poll people in israel or voting here with israeli -- having left israel and become american here and most of them believe that they will vote for trump. it is like -- i don't have the number in front of me, it was like, i believe, 71% the right wing leaning. moderate was still above 50%. do you think this will matter? >> i think it does matter. first of all, in a state like michigan you do have 242,000 muslim voters but you have 100,000 jewish voters. a key in the swing state. i think the mistake that the harris campaign has made and biden administration, too, they have tried to build their house on both sides of the river. you can't do that.
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you make no one happy. and they've imported -- by trying to be pro-israel and anti-israel enough to make the muslim vote in michigan happy they've just made no one happy and they've weakened themselves. they've given the perception they are just people pleasers without the strength, really, to stand up for the country. so i think she has conveyed a perception of weakness and ultimately with all voters. >> dana: let's move to this. joe scarborough today got on the pattern that we've seen of bashing trump supporters, watch. >> i will ask the question that i think is a fair question to ask. who raised these people? because they were not raised by anybody in my neighborhood that i grew up in. who are these people? where are they coming from? and who raised them and how did
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donald trump twist their point of view so much in nine years? >> dana: felipe, let you react to that. >> well look, joe is not on the ballot. with 24 hours ago and people still voting and my probably being my last fox appearance before then it is important to set all this aside for a moment and realize i understand the appeal of donald trump. i do. dana, you know what i've done the last night years. played him twice. more familiar with what he says. i get it here is what i don't get. we like that he is not a politics, he says what he means and means when he says, yet for nearly a decade now every time he says something like liz cheney a couple of days ago. he didn't mean it. the media took it out of context. he was joking. never once is it okay, you know what? i said it and meant it. or his supporters saying he said it, he meant it.
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i'm wearingist not too lazy to wear a jacket and tie, i'm wearing it because it reminds me of the debate. what kamala harris has said and what donald trump has said. i think if people look at those two things, this is pretty clear that there is one candidate in kamala harris who is thinking about the future, who knows that a good chunk of the country doesn't agree with her and probably doesn't like her. she will wake up every day and try to do the best. you have another guy who can't even say the word future. didn't say it once in the debate. this is someone who talks about guns in the face. i don't know how that was ambiguous. he was shot at twice and you would think he would know better. people need to look at what he has said. >> dana: when felipe was talking, alex the white house press office getting out the white-out and putting the apostrophe in the garbage comment when it comes to supporters because felipe has been an honest broker and great
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to have you. alex, the final word on the attack on trump supporters and how it might play out tomorrow. >> maybe i'm a deplorable because i was raised watching joe scarborough when he was a republican. i think that's one of the sad things about where we are in the country today. donald trump is a disruptive figure and democrats wonder how in the world can anyone support a person like him? well, donald trump is what america, a desperate america, a middle class america thinks it needs to grow a hand grenade under washington's door. they're heartbroken and the leaders they elected have left them down and looked at themselves instead of us. what i would ask democrats to do is look in the mirror and say what is it that we did that disappointed the american people so greatly that they have turned to this disruptive figure to
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save them from their own government? until democrats do that they aren't going to get anywhere. >> dana: alex is not talking about sending explosive. i have to run, felipe. >> american people turned away from donald trump so let's respect that and two, a wrecking ball is a disruptive figure, too. but do you want mold in your walls you don't rays the walls. >> dana: he is more popular today than he has ever been and i will take the last word. thank you, both. i still get in the final word no matter how you try, felipe. bill hemmer down at the board. >> bill: we're in studio m as in magic. our viewers are about to see what we have in store come election night 2024. do not move. it is something else. back in a moment live here in new york city.
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>> bill: 16 minutes before the hour. it is almost here. donald trump is raleigh, north carolina. north carolina has an interesting history to look at. the tar heel and speech state and see how they voted recently. let's look at the vote difference for georgia. in the peach state, we have seen a domination on behalf of the republican party. so we've taken the last five or six presidential races going back to the year 2000. look where they were in 2004, george bush and john kerry,
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wasn't even close. it really was 2020 which changed everything in georgia and made this a battleground when joe biden took it by.2%. super close. let's look at the vote difference for north carolina. i have think what you find here is a similar story. a very similar development. this is a republican state. bush by 12 points over john kerry. the outlier is 2008 when barack obama was such a strong national figure he was able to flip that state of north carolina. otherwise it has been all red the entire time. let's see what it was in 2020 for comparison. took a day or two. donald trump won it by almost a point and a half in north carolina. you see the trend in georgia and north carolina. let's show the vote difference in arizona. in my view, it is not just
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similar, but maybe even more pronounced. this was john mccain, right? from arizona, an easy 8 1/2 point win. not on our list in 2008 even though barack obama won so convincingly. romney took mccain's margin and went even higher. this is what changed, 2020. arizona, joe biden won the state. maricopa county where you get 16% of the overall vote by.3 percent. a raw vote of 10,457. go ahead and clear this. you see the realignment in some of these states and some of the battleground states. we'll pursue that again as we go to the board come tuesday night. less than 24 hours away. each campaign right now have got concerns. studying the data checking with their teams in the field and this question came up about democrats and what they are
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concerned about at the last hour. >> what's their biggest concern right now if you are the harris campaign? >> well look, i think it's a couple of things. early vote numbers are a little scary. you and i have been texting back and forth. republicans didn't do what they did last time. trump said don't early vote. they didn't. republicans do have an advantage in early vote numbers, when the early vote comes in it will look different than 2020 and that is scary. >> bill: there is jim messina, he knows campaigns and elections and he knows america. the early vote is one indicator. it is not a final result at all. the vote registration on behalf of parties is very interesting. you had alex on last segment saying something over the past 24 hours that got a lot of attention. voter registration for republicans has gotten much better in the battleground states. it could make a difference tomorrow. something we will watch from the
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board and that little fancy thing that we showed you there. >> dana: i love it. it is super helpful. registration effort was a years' long effort when ronna mcdaniel was the chairwoman of the rnc and right after inauguration of biden. we'll see if it makes a difference. you have a lot of tools to play with. i'm excited for it. >> bill: it's the right gear at the right time. >> dana: you nailed it when you hit the buttons. very good. check this out, too. >> the top issues again the economy and inflation. we know that kamala harris had another bad jobs report where it didn't meet expectations. we know that americans are hurting. we know that voters are struggling to pay for gas, groceries. >> a spike in demand in food banks in the battleground states. the growing hunger crisis in one key state next.
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>> bill: we're in raleigh, north carolina. donald trump on stage for stop one of four on election eve. we'll get back to that in moments. >> dana: we want to show you this. a grim sign of the times. food banks are reporting record levels of demand and longer lines in battleground states. the high cost of groceries leaving many people going hungry and joining us now is the president and ceo of feeding america west michigan. i read a couple stories last week. talking about how many of the battleground states there are increases in demand for food banks. i will put up on the board for everyone to see the food prices that have skyrocketed across the country. all of your staples, egg, butter ground beef, bread and coffee.
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what is your experience in western michigan with this? >> good morning, dana. great to be with you. we're seeing much of the same as what you are showing on the screen there. it is the food prices in general, prices for basic needs have all been increasing to the point where many people that may not have needed to come for food assistance are having to come to charitable food network for food assistance and we're seeing that through our service area in west michigan. >> dana: i read this from the "wall street journal." a guy named childress, 67 years old saying i never thought i would be here. he closed his eyes as they were moistening. ist is difficult to say you need help. he didn't hesitate voting early for harris. that could be just one of the factors going into people's decision making. when it comes to the types of people who are coming.
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are many of them first time? >> yeah, we're seeing a lot more first-time people than we have in the past for sure. but we're also seeing more people coming more often. so it is not only just more households and people coming for help but we're seeing people that are coming more often because they are running out of income or money sooner in the month than they had been before. a lot of the folks that come are working. so it is not just unemployed, but working families that are struggling. >> dana: how can people help if they want to help you out? let us know. >> a couple of things. one doing this, just being aware. a lot of times folks aren't always aware there are people struggling with putting food on the table in their own communities. be aware of that and then being able to look for your helping out at your local food pant tree or food banks that always need
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volunteers and financial support also helps us. >> dana: ken, thank you for being with us today. >> it's my pleasure, thank you. >> bill: as promised, raleigh, north carolina, rally number one on election eve. >> call the border patrol and we got -- just drop that chart, please. my all-time favorite chart. [cheers and applause] my all-time favorite chart, i love that chart. [cheers and applause] i sleep with that chart, i kiss it every night before i go to bed. i wouldn't be here if it weren't for the chart. if you take a look at the arrow on the bottom. it was the day i left office. the lowest illegal immigration we ever had. i kept it pretty good. and then you take a look and we had mexico pay for the soldier, they didn't want to pay for
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their shoaled -- soldier. they laughed at me when i suggested that. i will put a tariff of 100% of all your cars and everything that comes into the united states. they said -- you know what they said? sir, we would be greatly honor evidence to let you have our soldiers free of charge. how many would you need, sir? i said as many as it takes. and they were great. they made a big contribution to our security, let me tell you. now we're talking turkey. one of the first calls i will make is to mexico. you stop letting people come in through our border and come in through your southern border and you stop it. [cheers and applause] because mexico -- i had a great relationship with the president but he retired now.
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he left. he was a good man. a socialist. you can't have everything, but he was a good man. they paid a fortune for the soldiers along the border, 571 miles of wall. i was going to add 200 more. far more than i said. i was talking about 200, 250. we built 571 and -- nobody talks about it. and you know what i did? because we had a congress not behaving i said i don't care, this is an invasion of our country. i'm taking it out of the military. i took them out. i gave them $725 billion. congratulations, fellows, i'm taking out ten. what is it for, sir? it's called a wall because we are being invaded by mexico. [cheers and applause] no
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