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calls at 10:00 and we are looking at basically a scenario where the democrats are putting all their hope in the blue wall. the question is, what happens when we make a call in north carolina and georgia? i believe sean hannity is coming soon. we will see if it does. it's time to see how many more electoral votes will fall as we get ready for our next calls. >> martha: stay tuned. >> announcer: we are seconds away from three states, including montana, utah, plus the critical battleground. >> together we will fight to win nevada. >> nevada, we fight for the future. >> announcer: with 16 electoral votes on the line, we have the results as they come in. the moment is here. america is watching. ♪ ♪ >> martha: it is now
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10:00 p.m. here in new york. three more states in the west have just finished building. fox news decision desk, too early to call the state of nevada, one of the most competitive states in play. hispanic and working-class voters obviously could be key to the victory there, and both these candidates have spent a lot of time in nevada. >> bret: fox news can predict that former president trump will enact the state of utah, adding that a six electoral votes to his column. he will also enact montana. we are looking closely at the senate race out there. >> martha: ad lib. [laughs] >> bret: yes, you will! >> martha: let's look at some of the places that are too early to call and get you an update on the total count. president trump at 205 right now. 117 for harris, and waiting on georgia, waiting on north carolina, waiting in pennsylvania, waiting on michigan. just keep in mind, in all these places there's a lot of city vote and a lot of high population concentrated vote that has not come in yet. the question is whether or not that vote, when it does come in,
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will be enough to out-balance what we have seen in the early part of this vote here. >> bret: montana, as he mentioned, also come to this pivotal senate race, jon tester and the political side of his life. he survived it before but this time tim sheehy putting up a real fight and may win. the fox news decision desk says it's too early to call there. nevada also home, too early to call between jacky rosen and republican army veteran sam brown. >> martha: in utah fox news is protecting the republican congressman john curtis will move to the senate. he succeeds retiring senator mitt romney of utah. let's take a look at the balance of power as we pull at the senate here and show you where we are at 10:0 when turning the evening. republicans now have 48 seats including blitz regina seat, which is a flip. the majority would be obviously 51. 38 seats on the democratic side as we wait for a number of very
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consequential senate races to come and this evening. >> bret: welcome to the panel. laura ingraham. sean hannity is still here. jesse watters. what are you thinking? >> this is a cannonball contest, trump would be leading by a lot because of huge splash in florida. he beat biden by 3 and now he's at almost 14 over harris. that's a big statement right out of the gate. she has not had a big statement so far tonight. the other big splash, virginia. we don't know how virginia is going to shake out, but biden won virginia by ten and now it is tied. obviously it is too close to call, but right now she's playing defense. the trump team is very confident that georgia and north carolina are going to go their way, and harris is going to have to play defense in pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. you are hearing trump doubling his black support in wisconsin i had with young voters in michigan, and in pennsylvania winning independents. they say the math doesn't work in philadelphia county, so who
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knows what's going happen? still too early to call but you definitely think the trump team has meant to be here. >> bret: laurel, virginia you were talking about earlier. we will put up the big board about virginia and show that race. there you see that 50% to 40.3%, 61% in, too seem to call for us. >> this is wild. remember, trump didn't come anywhere near these numbers in 2016 or 2020. the loudoun county numbers we were talking about earlier are really something to watch. trump is outperforming by eight points in loudoun county. it was a blowout in 2020. big issue with education there. the everything to look at, glenn youngkin, i've been in touch with him. he said buckle up, virginia is going to be very tight. then go down to miami-dade where we haven't seen a republican take that county in florida since 1988. donald trump is doing something tonight. "the new york times" is noticing. he is up at 287 electoral votes projected. obviously anything can happen,
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with a 72% chance of winning. watch out for slowing the reporting down in the blue wall states. it happened last time in 2020 and if by midnight it looks like trump has a good chance to win and things start slowing down with the reporting, you can't really blame people for being a little bit concerned about the way we do reporting in elections. >> martha: i have a question for laura, if it's okay, if it's permitted. >> i think the answer is yes. >> martha: is it the economy? >> i think the cultural issues cut through the new immigrant population in loudoun county. there is an enormous influx of indian immigrants, hispanic immigrants, and muslim immigrants in loudoun county, and if you talk to them -- and some reporting has been done on this -- a couple of issues of the gender curriculum, some of the trans- issues, but also in general just this idea that the new immigrants coming to this country want to be able to start small businesses and make a
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decent living. i think both issues are really hitting hard tonight. >> it loudoun county is the kind of place where you think it might be fertile ground for democrats almost in perpetuity because of where it is. it is in the exurbs of washington but is very close to that huge number of people who work in the technology corridor. it looks like young, tech savvy people who would be prone generally to vote democrat. the fact that it seems to be going the way it is tonight is i think quite telling. >> a lot of credit to glenn youngkin and donald trump with the way it was handled. it was my to go there late in the game. >> sometimes these things sort of take hold over a period of time. glenn youngkin won is very close race. all that education, really, against terry mcauliffe and parent rights. but in the midterms, virginia did not get the seats they wanted to get, and yo youngkin s trying to get them over this edge. if it turns into a win for trump tonight it'll be a very big --
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>> even close. >> we have not called north carolina. >> nor georgia. >> i'm sure there are good reasons for that, but others have. >> do we know it's outstanding in virginia? >> we should talk to bill hemmer because he is at the wall. >> bill: i can do that for you. don't mind me! this is roanoke county. i do have that on the screen? that a sale in virginia. that is where trump went for the rally the other day with glenn youngkin. as you guys were talking here, this is part of our fox insights. any time we see an outline here, we go in. loudoun county, we have mentioned this. this is a 16-point advantage for kamala harris. you've almost got all the estimated vote in right now, and trump is doing 3.4 points better now with 98% of the vote reporting than he did in 2020. that's pretty interest, interesting. the other thing i'll point out while i'm here, fairfax county,
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almost two-thirds of the vote in. this is where all the people are. number 1 out of 133. biden was an easy winner at 70% of the vote. right now across from washington, d.c., she is underperforming in the most populated county in the entire state. do you have something else? gotcha, okay. go ahead, guys. >> is that the biggest county? because the campaigns are saying they got big votes still out of virginia and they still believe they -- >> bill: i'll tell you what i'll do here, i will cheat for a second and go back to virginia. it seems as though kamala harris is doing in the southeastern part than was expected. there is still some vote out there, still some vote coming in. we'll see whether or not it holds up. let me sit on down to carolina. brit, i think he said folks had called caroline already. we have about 70% of the vote in and we have got trump.
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185,000 raw votes. i don't know it's going on here. it finally programs of the bigger counties? us firmly down in mecklenburg and charlotte. a firm lead the ad again, 80% of the estimated votes still yet to be tallied. maybe that's the reason we cannot collect. this is a slippery down here. this is new hanover. defined wilmington along the atlantic shore. you've only got 5% of the vote in down there. this is one of those areas of the country that is turning more blue. a lot of transplants from the northeast moving down to wilmington. you also have a lot of folks from the northeast going to places like brunswick county. it is deep in the red. donald trump is going to win here tonight by 66%, upwards of the vote down there. a lot of folks from new jersey and new york and pennsylvania, they are moving down to places like brunswick county because they love the weather, they love the beaches, and it's not as expensive as florida. they have seen an awful lot of
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growth in this part of the state. so here's where we are, too seem to call, but donald trump right now about most five points in carolina. go for it, martha. >> martha: let's take a look at pennsylvania which is tightening up considerably. in the presidential race and the senate race. show us with going on there. >> bill: you are exactly right about that. it's about half of the vote being counted. remember the chart to show you a moment to go? the chart i showed you a moment ago, they can't do mailing vote in pennsylvania. it tends to be more democratic. as we saw in 2020, we are seeing that again in 2024. you have about a 1.4 margin. raw votes just shy of 50,000. let's go for a spin, shall he? philadelphia, let's start there. it is number one -- come on, let's go here. all right, here we go. this is the kind of margin you expect to get in philadelphia. you got eight or ten voters that are democratic.
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so joe biden is well over 80%. it's interesting, right? she is just a tick below that right now. does philadelphia vote the way that milwaukee votes? we saw that difference in the lock in a short time ago. it is philadelphia going to vote differently than wayne county in detroit? we are waiting to get that income as well. these are the collar counties, heavily blue. i would expect them to change somewhat but we will see has to go through the night. just to check the bellwether here, this is northampton. that's about as close as you get, guys. a difference of 300 votes, 303. biden barely won it by 1200 just four years ago. that's where we are at the moment. let's see where we are. a lot of the vote came in from pittsburgh early on. 71 coming, that's right. she is at 61%. you guys watched it. how many rallies did trump have?
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the lisette of pennsylvania. i haven't done it yet, let's find out together. this is butler county. 94% coming in. just shy of 66%. how did trump do in a rural county like butler four years ago, before the assassination attempt this past year? it was almost around the same number, okay? up 36,000 to finish it four years ago. right now he's up 34,000. >> bret: let me bring our folks in. loretta, what are you looking at? >> i think it is interesting to look at these states that we kind of looked past and our analysis. we are always focused on a blue allstate, obviously so important. but signs that trump may be outperforming in ways he hadn't expected, bubbling up in places
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like, mind you, tons of votes, outstanding. but he looks like he's outperforming there. he is up now six points with that small turnout. again, "the new york times" gives him a 79% chance of winning this election at this point. with north carolina leaning republican in georgia. if those trends continue, it is all those three states where it is neck and neck. right now it is neck and neck in wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. so i hope they can model themselves in the future on what florida has done so brilliantly with ron desantis. 96% of the vote in, and it is handled beautifully. with absentee, male and votes, they just seem to do it in florida. why can't we do it in these other states? crazy. >> martha: most of us grew up, he voted in the morning, and then you went home and got the answer that night. we've gone from 96 million voters when fox news started to 160 million tonight, somewhere in the neighborhood. >> and all of them watched bret's interview with kamala.
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nobody missed that. >> martha: absolutely. how much is voting changed i guess is what i'm getting at here, sean. we have this enormous early vote. >> it is so interesting you asked that question, because everything is kind of slipped. republicans went in today with a lead that had never happened before, and it put the democrats in a position mathematically where they had to accomplish something they'd never accomplished before, and that is to get same-day voters at numbers that they've never gotten before. this is where we now find it. if i'm correct in my belief and my sources are right and north carolina -- i almost 100% am certain it will be donald trump's, and georgia -- harold and i have been going back and forth on this -- i believe it'll go to donald trump. arizona has been trending very strong towards donald trump. i don't know how long it'll take them to count the votes out there. that is frustrating, to laura's point. >> bret: maricopa said because of the length of the ballot it may take days.
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>> martha: the referendums. >> there were two pages in florida and they called it within an hour and a half. you and i'm just saying what they said. >> if we want to play out a few scenarios, or harold is going to wear a "sean hannity is wrong" t-shirt. i'm confident based on the information. dave mccormick's numbers guy just wrote me. he's running for senate in pennsylvania. >> bret: against bob casey, the incumbent. >> against bob casey, the incumbent, who has been running ads tying himself to trump and pennsylvania which i think is very telling. he's confident donald trump is going to win pennsylvania tonight. what the trump space 19 has been telling me, we went over these numbers earlier, four years ago they were only up 400,000 going into today's voting, day-of voting. in wisconsin you have a similar
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situation. a 40% difference, a 40% shortfall. so i'm looking at the big board and i'm watching the ever brilliant bill hemmer, and they needed numbers in the lockey that every source i know in wisconsin is telling me they did not get today. we are now in a situation where, for kamala harris to have any opportunity to win, she's going to have to sweep those blue wall state's. do you see it? >> i don't see it, either. if you look at philadelphia, for instance, everyone is bragging this morning about how well turnout was in philly. but south philly is italian. that is pat's, geno's, they live trump down there. big eagles territory, flyers. then maybe sean hannity knows that he people up there. that might have been an explanation for those numbers to pop. but if you look at pennsylvania broadly, they bagged so much of the early vote which they never
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done before. they not think kamala has enough right now in philly and pittsburgh to just overcome trump's red county -- >> bret: let me put the caveat in there in there. brit, lee sat on an election dek in 2016 and they were betting odds that had hillary clinton winning 90% chance. >> that's where the evening began. >> bret: then it started going down, and we started doing the what-if scenario and her pathway started to narrow. it is flipped, to shawn's point, that the early vote gave republicans an early boost, and the question is what the day of the vote is going to show. it is her path narrowing as we get more into the night? >> i think she started out with a narrower path. we can figure out more ways -- he had a narrower path. and betting odds, by the way, are now 83% for trump. it started 58% and it has climbed onto the evening to 69%.
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>> bret: i think you should have green. >> and their other models that are now predicting -- >> martha: stock market futures are also trading higher, as well. >> to go back to this milwaukee point we were talking about during the break, they are rerunning 30,000 absentee votes in milwaukee tonight. they brought to the official's atteattention that some of them weren't tallying and they were worried about it. so just what integrity purposes they are rerunning all those ballots. so we may not hear the full and final accounting from milwaukee until tomorrow. >> trump winning 23% of black men. >> that is staggering. >> nationwide. i didn't hear what you said. >> where is that from?
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>> that is consistent with our staff. >> a complete defeat for the mainstream media that has destroyed donald trump as a racist for all these years. if you double the support with black people and then you go up does double digits with your support with hispanics at the same time, and run up the numbef jewish americans here in the northeast, that is a complete rejection of everything they have been telling us about donald trump and it would explain why he's very competitive in the popular vote. >> and the new cycle for how long went on and on about the seltzer poll in iowa. looks like he's going to win island by 8-10%. he was going to lose iowa. >> bret: let's go back to pennsylvania really quick. i know you are in wisconsin, but can we go to pennsylvania? >> bill: sure can. i'm going to come back to this. it's a fascinating story happening in wisconsin, okay? go ahead, bret, with a question in pennsylvania. you got it. let me go back to current day. 2024, isn't it, guys?
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i do believe. [laughs] i'm kidding. this is lackawanna, scranton. she's got an edge of 51%. >> bret: the 2020 vote for that. >> bill: i'm going to do something here and you'll see a slight come out. you guys have got to remember these numbers, all right? versus 2020, here is biden's number. so she is about -- you do the math. 2.5 points below what biden did that she's winning the county too. can i just show you that something that i think we need to pay attention to? this is wisconsin. you got your fox insights going here. we talked about dane and milwaukee. what about green bay? that's brown county, all right? right now, with 46% of the vote reporting, in brown county, which is green bay, trump is up 3.6 points at this time in the night, okay? take this off, we will move down here to outagamie, up 1.8 points
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higher than he was four years ago. take that off, this is winnebago. trump is up 1.3 points at this point in the, higher than he was four years ago. when you are analyzing the state going into this election, those are three of the counties you are looking at where he's trying to drive the numbers up. he's able to do that, so this is where we sit, half a point. not for nothing, guys, but -- sorry. come on back here. not for nothing, but robert kennedy has racked up 8,000 votes in wisconsin. and 2020 in wisconsin. we will get it here. i got you. 20,682. maybe it matters, guys, or maybe it doesn't. it's just something to point out right now. when we come back i'll take you to michigan. something's happening right there, fascinating, too.
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>> martha: that is something to keep an eye on. >> the votes you talked about, laura, that's in the lockey, right? >> they are reprocessing them. they begin to reprocess them but there is no indication as to when that's going to finish. >> bret: because they had problems with the machine. >> there was problems with the on/off switching device on the machine or something. it's hard to understand. >> you just give me the latest members. i've been looking at the betting odd numbers that bret was talking about. they have moved massively now to donald trump. "the new york times" has it massively to donald trump. >> 71%. >> we are really sitting here and i think we got to take pause. there is a very strong possibility he will be elected the 47th president of the united states if these numbers, if these predictions and it being true. i don't want to get over our skis. we want to be careful and we want to be prudent. we are all looking at our sources. i'm listening very closely to what harold has to say and what he's offering. but if that is true, after all
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that they have thrown at this man, after all that they have done to this man, and with all the media that wouldn't even vent her and her radical positions, the only person in the media that challenge her in any reasonably tough way is sitting right here at this table and that was you, bret. to think she never had to answer why she doesn't think we should say radical islamic terrorism, why she wasn't asked about supporting a bail fund, the riots in the summer of 2024, or cosponsoring the green new deal, or saying no private health insurance, medicare for all, or sex change operations for illegal immigrants. what will this say, bret? brit? about legacy media in america. it is dead. >> the decline of its influence has been evident for years. this is proof of it. and in some respects i think the behavior of the legacy media
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backfired against the candidate they were supporting, because it was so over the top. same with the prosecution, the same thing happened. >> you think it contributed? >> i do. >> i agree with you. >> bret: what do you got, bill? >> bill: just punching up your eyelid. talking about the poll >> martha: the poll that will not be named. >> bill: that's correct. until we get a little bit of the sheets. 40%, 7-point lead for trump. i don't know what they were seeing in the poll. they were obviously seeing something out there in iowa. but this is trump pulling away. >> bret: as you bounce around -- >> bill: all good. this is ohio, guys. okay? eight points in 2016. eight points in 2020. 80% of the estimated vote is in. he sent more than 12 points in the buckeye state. >> bret: we are not there yet.
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we are not calling the states. we are going to wait and see how these raw vote totals go. but you would rather be him. the path is getting clearer for him right now. to shawn's point, even that he is here at this moment, from january 7th, 2021, until now, it's probably the biggest political phoenix from the ashes that we have ever seen in the history of politics. >> in the days after january 6th i remember sitting there with you, bret, and i said this guy, trump come he's radioactive. republicans have turned against him. they want rid of him. he is an obstacle, he's a problem. and i thought, i didn't make a political comeback by him as possible. and yet here we are. he is the toughest son of a gun i've ever seen, ever. all he had thrown at him? i would be in an insane asylum. >> there's an interesting trick you can always play with these things.
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when sean says think of all the things they have done to him, in spite of that he put together it probably the most racially diverse political coalition have seen in generations. but you could also say it is because of what they did to him. it's not just in spite of it. yes, he's a tough guy great he's energetic. >> that's a great point. >> it contributed. overkill. >> i think we shouldn't underestimate the importance of policy and all of this. the trump agenda in 2019 delivered some of the most stunning economic gains to blue-collar workers, people that we came from, that we had seen in 25 years or maybe longer. from the border to the economy to foreign policy and peace, that resonated with young people, with men, with this new demographic coalition. i think it is not just the greatest political comeback of all time. if these trends continue, a big "if," it will be the greatest comeback i believe in history,
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because this man was counted out and called every name in the book. they wanted to put him in jail tonight if they could. >> i had to get ahead of ourselves, but if he does win and the numbers hold up and the popular vote is what it is, he would have a mandate. he would have a diverse winning coalition. he would then be able to govern, he would probably have the senate, maybe he doesn't have the house, but that mandate would have to be respected. so it would be up to democrats and the media to determine how their posture is going to be towards a seemingly very popular president who has had the greatest upset victory followed by the most controversial election, followed by the greatest comeback victory we have ever seen. >> bret: we shall see. >> we may have this conversation several hours from now. >> bret: listen, i call you the primes now. seven, eight, and nine. >> the avengers. [laughter] >> bret: thank you very much.
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♪ ♪ >> martha: we are back and jacqui heinrich is standing by at the harris campaign headquarters where there is a lot of votes still to come in tonight. what is a mood over there at this point, jacqui? >> every once in a while we get this glaring reminder that just over three months ago this was joe biden's campaign. every time we want to get any information from campaign officials, we have to text someone in wilmington. there aren't any campaign staffers walking around, and that means that often we can't get answers to simple things like how many people are in this crowd, who is in this crowd, what is their connection to the vice president, which groups were invited. we have posed these questions to the campaign and not been able to get any answers. i've also spoken to some close
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sources to harris at watch party nearby in the city. friends, family, and donors had receptions at two big hotels in the area. they are making their way over here a newbie hanging out in a basement somewhere inside the building. but even they don't have confirmation that the vice president is going to come here tonight. we don't have any program for the speakers. right now they have just been piping in cnn behind me. we are waiting for anything substantive. the updates to get her over email that are giving us broad strokes as we watch data come in. those long lines at college precincts in north carolina and michigan, saying that should be helping them with young voter turnout, guys. >> bret: jacqui, let me just ask you -- my chain with the democrats kind of went dark, too. when is the last time you got an update? >> well, they are responding to us. what we ask, the answers we get, let me check on that.
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literally i asked how many people are in this crowd. the connection to the vice president. that was an hour and half ago. how do you not have that answer? this was the harris campaign. they are in wilmington. it is just sort of a glaring reminder every once in a while that this apparatus was really thrown together in just over three months, guys. >> bret: jacqui heinrich at the harris campaign headquarters in d.c. thanks. >> martha: let's go to wisconsin and check back in with mike tobin, because we want to get an update on what is going on with these machines. as the voting stopped as they've tried to troubleshoot on this equipment? what does it all mean? >> the county hasn't stopped. what they did is put out and all call for city employees. to cut firefighters, health care workers, i.t. workers here, trying to move this count along. on the top of the ballot before they can run through these machines again. here's the problem, zooming over my shoulder, i want to show you
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how these voting tabulator's are working or how the machines themselves ran into a problem. if you look at the back of that machine, there's a red sticker on the back of that machine. that effectively acts as the seal to prove that it hasn't been broken. but there's also a locking mechanism on the back of those machines. the machines operated until the afternoon, and no one noticed that the stickers were in place with wow but the locking mechanisms had been engaged. they raised a red flag, bright with the city officials. they say they believe the integrity of the vote was never compromised, but out of an abundance of caution, some 31,000 ballots had to go back to the starting point and start all over again. we have 107,000 ballots at last report, some 43,000 ballots had been to the process. we expected to get some final numbers from the city of milwaukee around 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. the city can't speculate when we look at the final numbers now. we just know it's going to be
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later. the city is trying to pass this off as an abundance of caution but you've had some republican leaders out here like senator ron johnson who says this is simply an acceptable. they've had a long time to preserve the integrity of this and make sure the machines were locked, a civil step in the process. they're not happy with it. he heard from the rnc chairs sae example of incompetence. so they are trying to get this thing done and hoping this is really stretch into tomorrow but they are expecting the vote won't to will continue into the early hours of wednesday. back to you. >> bret: just to be clear, they say they're going to keep counting. like pennsylvania has said they are going to keep going, they won't stop and go home and take a break. >> 107 b107,000 ballots here and 31,000 of those have to go back to the process. so it's delaying the process, not tanking the process, and the
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city officials want to insist that the integrity of the process was not compromised. they just want to be extra cautious. >> bret: mike tobin in milwaukee, thanks. >> martha: let's bring our panel back in. we have new people joining us at this hour. brit hume, dana perino, and harold ford jr. are all still here. kellyanne conway has come back to join us, and mark penn and charlie hurt. welcome, great to have you guys here. let me start with you, mark. what is your read on this evening? and we are looking at north carolina and georgia and virginia very closely right now. >> my read is that this is a real tug-of-war election. all we are seeing right now is the trump forces seem to be pulling that rope just a little bit more. what you see is he's doing a little bit better with minority voters. the suburban wave four harris did not materialize, and trump is doing very well in the rural areas. so there's just infinitesimal change. whoever wins, we are going to
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have a very divided country. the polls were right. we will be divided between the elites and the working class and what they think and what they think the direction of america is. right now in that tug-of-war trump's forces seem to be pulling a little stronger. >> and the way it is shaping up tonight, on the blue side, the working class is on the red side. this is not -- this is a development that has happened in the trump years. >> bret: i ask you three nights in a row, who do you want to be? right now at 10:36 p.m., who do you want to be? >> right now i want to be donald trump, because these boats are coming and paid you take a look at philadelphia, he had 12%. then he had 18%. the same as he had last time. now he's got 21%. he's got three points better than he had last time. that's what he needs to pull pennsylvania. >> she still has a path but it relies entirely at the stage on
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winning the big three blue wall states. what he think your chances are? >> i think her chances are diminishing the more this vote is coming in. it is no question that i think this race now is going to be down to those three blue wall states. i think he has got a 55% chance of winning one or more of those states. we have got more information i think on pennsylvania than the others. i think that is pulling more in his direction, the more these notes are being counted. >> martha: early on, you questioned the strategy that had led to inflation in the biden administration. he thought they should have addressed it much sooner. you also question whether or not he should be the candidate and whether or not that switch up should have happened sooner. what do you think tonight about those issues? >> i think harris will have run a very credible race. she is getting the democratic
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constituency probably doing better than biden would have done, because biden was really collapsing. she is -- this is awfully close no matter who wins, and whoever is president is going to have to address all of america. but i think she ran a good race, almost an excellent race, but it may just fall a bit short. >> martha: we are comparing biden to 20 twin numbers when he won but the numbers are disastrous. >> bret: the fox news decision desk can help protect that former president trump will enact the state of iowa. he's performing well in rural areas which helped deliver victories to former president trump in 2016 and 2020. this comes in the wake of a lot of focus on a poll that shall not be named. i think we have talked about it seven times tonight, "the des moines register" poll. anyway, it got a lot of attention. it was an attention-getting poll
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and it was being forecast to be what the midwest may look like maybe because of a gender gap or whatever she was seeing in her poll. we are now calling iowa for the former president. >> martha: it was described as a bit of a jolt when it came across. i think all of us when he saw that, the reason is she has an excellent reputation. he's called a lot of things well. in fact, she called the trump lead in 2016 and her polling and everyone thought she was crazy. she had in leg plus six or something like that. >> she also had him winning the caucus and ted cruz beating him. >> she has a good reputation but this appears to be a blip on her screen, because clearly iowa is in the trump column. >> bret: harold, thought that was developing? >> this blue wall, there are 44 electoral votes in michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. if she loses virginia, nevada i. if she wins virginia, that gives you 57. she has a very narrow path, as
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mark was saying. if you look back, and this is a big "if" here, in the last segment we talked a little bit about the policy here. laura did. if she looks back, i think three things paid you said one of them, kellyanne. should you have chosen shapiro? if where we are going is where it looks like we're going to go. should you have counted on a transgender issue more quickly and more effectively? and the board and the economy, should she have distanced herself from biden? we are still a little early in evening. i agree with mark, but if you are sitting there tonight, you want to be on that campaign tonight. if you want to enact the campaign. she's got to run the tables here over the next hour or two in the next day or so if we are hearing correctly about wisconsin. but it does not look as promising as it did a few hours ago. >> bret: let's head back to build real quick. can we dip into virginia, the commonwealth? >> bill: say it again, bret. sorry about that. >> bret: go ahead, do we are going to do. we'll get to virginia eventually. >> bill: will give you a run up the atlantic coast.
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this is georgia, too soon to call. you ask yourself, why can't you call it? there is still some though it out there. the question is, where is the vote? trump is up to .3 points statewide. you coming here to the greater atlanta area, and this is fulton. our fox insights tell us -- okay, this is different. this change from moment to go. at this point in the night, with 82% of the vote reporting, in fulton county, the largest of 159, trump is up 0.6 points from where he was four years ago. i will clear that. let's come back out statewide. this is cobb county. we talked about that earlier. at this point in the night, our fox insights tell us that harris is up 1.3 points better than where biden was at this point from four years ago. we will clear that, and go to douglas, okay? at this point, this is all greater atlanta.
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a lot of population throughout the area. at this point, 90% reporting here in douglas county, harris is doing 2.9 points better than what ph biden did four years ag. i mentioned chatham county, that is savannah. they counted slow four years ago and they are counting slow yet again. but you get a lot of democratic votes down here on the atlantic coast. a lot of folks live there, too. 5 out of 159. we'll see how that shakes out. let's run up the coast and let you know what we're seeing here in north carolina. then i'll hit virginia and pennsylvania, all right? trump up 2.5 in north carolina. why can't we call it? i was looking at mecklenburg county, charlotte. they have had a lot of votes come in since the last time i checked. there's a lot of outstanding votes. you have to ask yourself, where are the votes? if they are in the most popular places, you can't make a call, but i get more from charlotte. this is wake county, raleigh, still about 21% of the vote out there. comfortable lead for harris. the expected that, but let me
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check 2020 and go ahead and use the slide again. so she is performing half a point better than joe biden finished from four years ago. so we'll keep track of that. you and mack in virginia -- i'm getting there, guys parading on once i here. just got to move the meter and we will see what's happening here in the commonwealth. >> bret: while you're checking that, charlie hurt is from virginia. >> bill: tight squeeze. >> bret: what are you looking at, charlie? >> it's kind of interesting, actually, that this is so close, especially if you looked at the early numbers across the state. it was fairly extraordinary, with the early vote, both early mailing vote and then early in-person vote. all of the big d plus counties in the state were significantly down from four years ago, including the big counties like fairfax, richmond, and then all of the r plus counties were
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significantly higher this time than they were four years ago. so if you had just looked at those early numbers and then look at this, it's actually not that surprising that it is this close, even though virginia is, for all intents and purposes, a blue state now and has been since george w. bush, or since obama, anyway. but it is -- i think that governor youngkin, who said watch out, it's going to be tight here, is probably looking at those same numbers and realizes that this thing might actually be the surprise of the night. >> bret: a lot of people drifted to northern virginia. suburbanites. there's not a great trump vote in that near d.c. counties, kellyanne. that's what we are looking at here, where that vote was outstanding and whether it changes the dynamic. >> no question.
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and glenn youngkin has been a great partner to donald trump this whole time on the campaign trail. he told me personally when i asked him if he thinks it's really competitive a couple months ago, he said i think we're going to force harris to spend some time and money there. and that's happened, but it was ground zero for the parents rights movement, the school stuff in 2021. kamala harris' team was smart and strategic to go for the three states and the blue wall. since they've gone democrat from 1992 to 2020, 20 straight years with the exception of 2016, they've always voted as a block that they ran out of choices. i would have thought she would do better in the racially diverse sun belt states like georgia, arizona, nevada, even north carolina. she is in the very white states trying to become president of the united states. here's the problem i see for harris and the democrats are now. demography is not destiny. that's what i think of this electorate. we think we're only going to hit women by talking about abortion and get hispanics if we talk about immigration.
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that is how trump is getting in. we are going to get african americans if we talk about this. his big idea was it to over prosecute donald trump with all these cases? you think a lot of black men in this country are going to stand up and say i think the system has been against me, i think that's unfair? to say nothing of the fact that they want economic upward mobility like everyone else. school choice voters, they think people coming over the border are taking their jobs. and you've got barack obama telling them, you're not right. stop telling us who we are, what we think, how to eat, how to vote. this is the election where people are turning it on its head. young voters. i think harris is going to underperform joe biden nationwide on young voters. they are, too. let's get rid of the old guy and put in a 60-year-old woman and called donald trump old. that's not how you get young people. you get young people if they think they can afford a house before they are 52 under your policies. you get young people if they think they want to be president
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of their own small business if not president of this country one day, and they can survive and thrive doing that. this will demography thing that we should vote according to our gender and race and age, this is the election where i think that hit a wall. >> if things hold right now, where we are, thus you only have to win the blue wall just for the sake of the audience? if she wins arizona, he come humans nevada, georgia, north carolina, if she wins michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin, did she win? >> yes. >> bret: is that true, bill? >> bill: pretty much. >> bret: because he gets her to 270 with the three. >> bill: plus nebraska, too. it is too early to start filling this in here. t start just yet, but i don't know. you're kind of warming up the fryer. >> bret: just show what happens. >> bill: for her it would be nebraska -- but we've got to go a long way.
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it's going to take me a while to get there. so she would have to win all the usual states here. there's just too many to fill in. >> bret: oh, gotcha. >> bill: boom, boom, boom, boom. oh, my gosh, what am i missing? holy cow. maine, nebraska, hawaii. that's why i didn't want to do it. last night because we've got to go a ways. you maybe another half hour or an hour or so we will fill in a few more. he's got time i'll take it arizona. unless you've got something else to do. >> bret: i'd love to go there. >> bill: let me go ahead and reset this. there is some movement here in the american southwest. this is arizona. first time we are looking at it on the night. and trump is just taking a tent to the point lead. kamala harris had the edge here for really the past hour. this is maricopa, this is phoenix, this is where you get 60% of the vote statewide in maricopa county. she has an edge of 2.2 percentage points.
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we will bring out the slide again and go back to 2020, and this is joe biden in arizona. so she's up about half a point, not quite. but donald trump is performing a little better right now at this point but there is still about half of the vote out and too seem to call their in arizona. let me go back to modern day, 2024, and see if this has changed. it has not. we will watch that. just wanted to take a sneak peek of that. you mentioned iowa, the state that shall not be named or the poll that shall not be named. this is nuts. 14.5 points? >> wow. >> that's not even close. >> bill: there's a ton of those still out there, too. this thing could go higher. >> bret: it's a little outside the margin of error. >> martha: let's get a look because we have been talking about young voters. we have new stuff from our fox news voter analysis, sandra.
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>> al build off of what kellyanne said about hispanic voters in the second and dive into age first for you, martha. it is pretty incredible some of the data we are seeing in our fox news voter analysis. this age group 65 and over, it is a dead heat. split the vote there, but just note donald trump lead this group by three points in 2020. so he is in fact slightly underperforming with that group. but here is a huge story that we are seeing develop. voters 52% going to harris, 44% to trump. that's an 8-point margin she is leading by. biden led with this group by 25 points. he led by 25 points with this age group back in 2020. i want to jump back in and talk about the hispanic vote.
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getting 56% of the support there. donald trump, 40. so she's leading by 16 points. biden led with this group by 21. again, she is underperforming there. i want to break that down by gender when it comes to the hispanic vote, because this also is telling a story. hispanic women, for example. harris is leading by 24 points with this group right now. biden led with this group by 34. hispanic women come underperforming there. comes with hispanic men. look at this story. harris is up by six points with hispanic men. biden led with 19 points. so there is really some interesting stories developing with the younger voters and the hispanic vote out there. brett and bret and martha come we've heard on the ground. a lot of the hispanic voters don't like what they seem with illegal immigration in this country. even speaking about that. we are seeing that show up in our analysis. >> bret: sandra, thank you. interesting stuff.
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>> martha: and that 20 plus gap we are seeing, we have been seeing it for a long time. we've been talking about it for a long time. it has shown up in polls that she was underperforming by more than 20 points with hispanic voters. it's a very seismic change. >> which means, if it comes down as we have now agreed at this desk that it does for those three blue wall states, her chance of victory, a very narrow path. if these numbers are meaningful about how she would perform broadly speaking, i think they are big enough now that we can say they are, the chances of pulling this off would be the biggest thing we've ever seen. it would be an amazing come-from-behind victory and i think the odds on that are very long indeed. >> it is significant, to say the least, the point that kellyanne was making, which is that it all stops. i don't even know if in 2028 we will still be talking about the hispanic vote. with every immigrant group that
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comes through, eventually you are just an american. you care about all the issues that everyone else in america cares about, and it's not so segmented. so i see a lot of those barriers breaking down. again, i think they harris-biden team has no one to blame but themselves for these numbers. it's the policies that drove these people to vote for president trump, and the biden-harris people push them into trump's open arms. now they will have a chance to have a different type of president if he were to win. i know we've got the blue wall to see, but everything is sort of going this way and you have this feeling that the hispanic vote is no longer going to be so segmented. it's just the vote, the american vote. >> and not to overgeneralize about any group, but the traditional faith-based in many ways hispanic family that is not
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responding to what kamala harris is talking about and focusing on. >> gender and race, we talk about at the outset, would emerge as big things because democrats have enjoyed big advantages with certain groups of people. the numbers didn't show up tonight. >> dead end. >> it shows that as a party we are going to have to rethink and reformulate and reconstitute how we think about growing the voters. if these votes hold up. even if they don't, the numbers are narrowing. we have to rethink this and consider some different strategies. as we sit here tonight, democrats have to be surprised. we were told over the last several days, about how her numbers were coming home and how people are coming home. >> bret: hold on one second. he said yesterday that she could win all seven battleground states, and said that she could do it. now, maybe if it turned and she could win 6 of 7, but he said 7 of 7. >> there was a confidence from
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him. even early. >> all the polling said either way. >> bret: he got to hit a break. >> martha: we are covering the votes for you. our special coverage continues. stay with us. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble with your weight? same. discover the power of wegovy®. with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds. and i'm keeping the weight off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only weight-management medicine proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events such as death, heart attack, or stroke in adults with known heart disease and obesity. don't use wegovy® with semaglutide or glp-1 medicines, or in children under 12. don't take if you or your family had mtc, men 2, or if allergic to it. tell your prescriber if you are breastfeeding, pregnant, or plan to be. stop taking and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck,
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will win the statewide vote. trump will win and electoral vote in the rural second district in the state of maine. >> bret: fox news can also project that maine senator angus king will win his race. he is an independent who caucuses with the democrats. so as we look now, the senate is taking up and we are going to look at some interesting races in ohio and montana coming up. >> martha: let's check in with aishah hasnie at the trump campaign headquarters in west palm beach, florida, will wherei would imagine the mood is fairly good. >> it is very good, martha. early this evening a lot of folks are coming up to me and saying they're not sure if they're going to get a decision tonight. he thought it was going to take a few days. and that has completely flipped. people are expecting there to be an answer tonight and for it to be favorable for the former president. i just talked to a campaign officially tells me that over in mar-a-lago or former president trump is right now watching the results come in the mood there is positive. and i'm working to confirm right
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now if the foreign to my former president made some remarks and what exactly he said, but everyone there appears to be feeling very good. just found out as well that speaker mike johnson, the house speaker who is in shreveport, louisiana, right now at his district, appears to be making plans to come here to be with former president trump. back to you. >> martha: aishah, thank you very much. we will keep a close eye on trump headquarters as we continue to give you some more updates on what's going on right now. we don't have a call for any new states at this point. we are waiting for montana, waiting to get a look at the sheehy race and we have new guests on the panel we want to get to. let's welcome them in. >> bret: as we get ready for the top of the hour we will make some new calls at 11:00. >> martha: then we'll get right to you guys. wow, time is going so fast. there we go. >> bret: it is now
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