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>> all right. fed up. that seemed to be the read from a number of fed governors and the media, ie, maybe myself included making too big a deal friction between jerome powell and donald trump. neil neel kashkari, he says the inflation going down and everybody is happy. when jerome powell didn't volunteer when asked if donald trump could fire him and he said no, and he wouldn't go if he did. and west palm beach, as the administration moves quickly to secure a cabinet. >> greetings from west palm beach behind me, across the intercoastal waterway is mar-a-lago. that vetting continues. as you mentioned off the top, during a press conference when

the chairman of the federal reserve was asked about if he would stay on, this was his answer, which raised some eyebrows. >> some of the president-elect's advisors have suggested that you should resign. if he asked you to leave, would you go? >> no. >> now, neil, powell began his term in chairman in 2018 during donald trump's first term. firing powell is a legal gray area according to forbes and brookings magazine, there's no statutes whether a president can remove a fed chair and other presidents determined they lacked from fire them from the position. write the autopsy on the campaign, columnist wrote i've lost time of the liberal pundits steer to the arcane data, why america should stop freaking out of higher prices of consumer goods or rising

financing costs on homes and cars. the national debt is approach 30 trillion and higher than the defense budget. one of the candidates spoke to you in the last hour. >> i'm a soldier. the president of the united states calls you to serve, then you have to take that very, very seriously. regardless of who he puts in, we need real reform in the pentagon. everything they buy seemingly costs twice as much delivers half of much and takes twice as long as it should. >> now, the day after the election, the stock market shot up its biggest rise the day after the election in history, neil. some people want to abolish the federal reserve altogether, neil. neil: indeed, a widely held view from a lot of people. lucas, that looks like a tough assignment, i'm looking at the

background, not too bad. not too shabby. and with us, a billionaire investigator. ken, we go back ab forth about palace intrigue and whether someone can be fired or whatever. i know you're not a big fan of the federal reserve or, but what do you think of this dust-up over what could be nothing, but, you know, can the issue that was raised here is whether the president can fire a fed chairman. apparently he can't. what do you make of that? >> well, yes and no. let's be real clear. first, as you know, i'm no fan ofowell's. i'm a fed critics of most of the people, a critic of most of the heads of the fed, but the president does have in the law the ability to fire for cause, but only for cause and that's never been done and it's unclear that would end up in the courts and take a long time and for practical purposes, it's probably true that jerome powell is right, that he can't

really be fired because he hasn't done anything that would justify the concept of cause. now, when you think in history, we haven't had a head of the fed fired, which is one of the reasons why the lines are gray, not perfectly bright. if you go back to jimmy carter, he convinced chairman william miller to step down to be treasury secretary replacing him with paul voelker and turned around quickly and fired miller from treasury. but jerome powell is not going to be sweet talked into resigning and it's not supposed to be political. and the president to say i want you out, i don't like what your direction is, don't like the way you wear your pants, that's not supposed to happen. and by the way, donald trump has not said that he wants to get jerome powell out. neil: that's right, he has not

commented on the story at all to your point. ken, you mentioned the paul voelker story, it wasn't good for jimmy carter, but good for the economy and later when ronald reagan came in to deal with inflation. that was then, this is now. what do you make of the market reaction to donald trump coming in, no president this past century has had a response like this to his election and i know a lot of it built up on excitement about tax cuts, cutting regular laces -- regulations and what do you think? >> first, stepping back and putting this into a bigger contextual history the period between the election and end of the year has always been good to great unless we've already had an extant, longstanding recession like the year 2000 or like we had in 2008. otherwise it's been a good period.

the notion of a single day being exceptional compared to an average is not terribly important because averages are made up of markets be extremely volatile anyway and in the history of days that aren't the day after the president's elected, we've had a lot bigger days up and down than wednesday was. so i wouldn't read too much into any of that. i would say that it's very clear at this moment in time, people are enthusiastic on a business level about the notion of president trump versus what would have happened if we'd had kamala harris win and that's perfectly obvious, but i'm also going to make one more point. it is pretty often true in history, more time than not that whatever people get most excited about election day in the stock market, between election day and the end of the year gets reversed in the inaugural year. that flip-flop is pretty common because presidents are not kings, they can't do as much as some people hope and other

people fear, and president-elect trump is going to run into a form of a wall that every president faces which they've got to put up with a congress, which the republicans are going to have a thin margin in the house of representatives, very hard to get big controversial things through and then there's the courts. and presidents aren't kings, they don't get to do whatever they want and it's going to be much more moderate. let me make one more point, if i may. there are similar things said at lower volume about both sec chair begins ginsler, democrat, and neither terms let up until june of 2026 and he's not going to be able to get rid of them. that's not the purview of the president. again, president trump once upon a time said he could come down and shoot somebody on fifth avenue and i can't remember exactly what he said

about it, but more or less be fine. the reality, these chairman would have to kind of do something that bizarre and wrong to be removed somehow. neil: so, let's put a button on this and get your take on the markets next year. presidential election year and the markets very well, and you talk about there's a possibility this could reverse next year. you were bullish on this market when we were in a freefall. are you more so, less so for now next year? >> let me say a and b. first, in doing this for a long, long time i have never made forecasts about the next year until we get toward the middle of december because there are some tools that become available to me then that aren't available to me now and i will make those forecasts in the middle of december, i'm not going to now. that's a. and b, this is similarly important, if you look at the history of inaugural years, second year, third year, fourth year of president's terms, most

downturns overwhelmingly happen in the first or the second or both. the problem with that is when that does not happen, you often get very big up years. in the third and fourth year of president's terms traditionally are much more benign and i've talked about that on your show many times before which included what happened in 2023 and 2024. but the reality of this is, it could be there's more risk to analyze, that doesn't mean 25 will be a bad year and what i'd like you to do is invite me back in the middle of december and i'll tell you what i think then then. neil: well, i only mention it, goldman sachs, i think goldman sachs, might be less than years ago forward, 3% for the s & p. what do you think of that. >> it you put the phrase, might

in, of course there's a possibility of that, and i wouldn't really say that now. i'll also say, which i've said many, many times in my career, it is impossible for people to actually have a basis for making long-term forecasts about the stock market returns. we have to know shifts in future supply of equities and there's no basis for knowing that. i mean, pricing is set by shifts and demand and supply. demand is a more predictable thing and operates in a smaller band width than shifts in supply and over the long-term, what supply will be three, four, five, 10 years from now, there's no way to know that. so making long-term forecasts is always-- >> just to clarify what you're saying is, we haven't seen any shift hit the fan just yet. >> and i understand why people are anxious about that. neil: okay. . >> people want to know in advance and that's what the news is about, and by the way,

sometimes you just have to wait and be patient and things come along in their own due time. neil: got it, ken, great seeing it again. ken fisher. in the meantime, coming up with us is tim sheehy, the montana senator-elect. he took a blue seat and turning it ruby red and did so quite easily. he's next. ha, ha, what a hit! and if you don't have the right auto insurance coverage, the cost to cover that... might tank your season. ♪ so get allstate, and be better protected from mayhem, like me.

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opportunity to bring the country together. neil: all right. joe manchin, who opted not to run for senate facing an uphill battle, probably best he does not, but a message for republicans and democrats to moderate their positions and work together. tim sheehy, i wonder if he's taking that to heart the montana senate elect, got the ball rolling for the senate. congratulations. >> thanks, neil, a long race and we got it done. we won the mandate nationwide and all races, colors, creeds. america spoke, they want to put america first again. neil: what do you make of what joe manchin was saying as senator-elect it's incumbent on boats both sides to both together. and the republicans are in charge of the senate, you picked up four, including your own. there might be little reason for people think they have to acquiesce to democrats, what do

you think? >> i don't think it's so much about acquiescence. i think it's about common sense, what's good for america. the first thing i said in my victory street, i thanked jon tester for his decades of service and to our nation. we don't have to agree on policy, but he sacrificed a lot of his life, but the reality is america spoke, they spoke loud and clear, they want policies good for their children, good for their businesses and grocery and gas prices, a secure border, safe streets, cops are good, criminals are bad, boys are boys, girls are girls. we've been given a mandate and doesn't mean we don't have to acknowledge, and we've got to get to work. neil: you're very fond of the president, he of you. and i'm wondering what you want to see happen in what order. when you talk to the people who

overwhelmingly elected you, what was the number one issue for them? >> again, common sense and common sense means a secure border. that's something a president can do almost unilaterally, but follow it up with legislation. the president can do executive order, the modern president as you know, has been characterized by copious amounts on both sides. and the border is something that joe biden and kamala harris would open up and leave it open for years on end. that's something that president trump can act on day one and follow with up with legislation so it couldn't be opened up again. we want immigration, but we want it to be legal, orderly and safe. after the president secures the border which i'm sure he will promptly, it's up to the senate and house of representatives to then pass legislation that secure that in statute and not be opened up again. and on the heels of that, get our economy going again. we saw within 48 hours of election, the economy responded

robustly as did foreign leaders. without taking office, president trump already has so many foreign policy crises on the path to restlation, there will be an america first agenda in the driver's seat. incumbent on the senate and house not just to be a rubber stamp, but rocket boosters to assure we make the most we can of the first 100 days and the first couple of years. neil: it depends who you talk to, senator-elect in europe on implications of this election, but we know that they're concerned about donald trump's support of ukraine, whether he'll continue that, the talk that the biden white house is looking at speeding up $9 billion in aid to ukraine because it might be in danger under donald trump. what do you think of that? >> i think the reality is, the best thing that happened to n.a.t.o. in 75 years was president trump acting. listen, i don't believe that president trump is against n.a.t.o., the aren't against

n.a.t.o., but the first time n.a.t.o. article 5 was invoked was for united states after 9/11, i was part of that, deploying multiple times to defend our nation. the best thing for n.a.t.o. you need to carry your fair share for your region specifically. en it's not too much for america to tell our allies, we'll support you, but you also have to support yourself and fulfill your commitments to our security partnerships and well-known for decades upon decades that was not happening in n.a.t.o. and him holding them accountable is a resurgence for europe for themselves and those places like astona dealing with russian aggression since 1945 recognize that them having the ability and support of each other to stand against the aggression of russia, in addition, having the economic security to where they are not reliant on russian fossil fuels every single day to heat their homes. so, i think the stances from

president trump are unfairly characterized by the media as being pro putin or pro russia, that's not accurate. it's pro america. the rest of the world benefits when america is strong. when america is strong, and we focus on making sure our nation is a strong and healthy as possible, our allies benefit, too. neil: senator-elect, i'm curious, there are three men jockeying for the position of being leader in the united states senate, rick scott of florida, john thune south dakota and-- and who do you favor? >> and i don't owe anyone anything, my first time in politics because i saw what happened in afghanistan a wife and i both fought, her as a marine, i as a seal. it's a duty and i'm going to spend the next few weeks getting to know the folks. who is going to stand with the

america first agenda. i don't want a sycophant to the president. we want somebody for the american people and act on that. first priority. number two, who is going to help to return us to constitutional government. our executive branch has become far too powerful and run away agencies taken away sections of the economy and nation and we have to return to constitutional function, it's going to be hard. neil: could i rephrase that then? if scott and conyers and thune were in a boat and you could only rescue one, who would it be? [laughter] >> a great way to put it. listen, i know three of them, all three are about the same, so i guess i throw a rope and see who grabs it first. neil: that was very well answered. congratulations, tim sheehy of the beautiful state of montana, pulling off a stunning, stunning change of seats there. in the meantime, just want to pass along this from the

russian foreign ministry on this talk about getting the whole ukraine thing settled right away. they are saying that trump's promises to resolve the crisis in the ukraine fast are nothing more than rhetoric. so their view for the time being seems to be, yeah, likely for now. more.

>> all right. we are following developments right now especially in ukraine and what donald trump will do when he returns to the white house and we've been hearing a lot as well about the russians themselves saying, we don't expect anything to happen too soon. the russian foreign minister saying that they plan to resolve this crisis, and others disagree that donald trump does have a plan and will install it

immediately upon taking office. no way to know for sure, but adam smith, the democratic congressman, his thoughts on that. very good to have you first off on this situation in ukraine and i do want to touch on israel and what's going on there with the latest anti-semitic attacks are pretty much around the world, but on ukraine, and what we can expect to see. what would you want to see? >> well, first of all, not to be blunt about it, but i think that putin is responding to trump and the republican party's weakness on ukraine. he's got a plan to resolve it, but what he and so many others in the republicans wanted was to cut ukraine off. we passed a $60 billion supplemental that took six months longer than it should have and the senate passed it a long time ago, house republicans wouldn't bring it up and trump opposed it. if we hadn't funded ukraine, putin would be in kyiv today.

and he knows he doesn't have to negotiate, and what i hope to hear out of republicans who support ukraine, is president trump has changed his mind and he will fund ukraine's defense to force putin to negotiate. if he continues with the current plan he's not going to give ukraine anymore money, no way is putin going to negotiate an end to this. neil: well, it's not as if putin has turned his view, with all the billions he's gotten from us, so, is it so stupid to call the republicans essentially that for saying there's got to be an end game to this money after money. >> but understand, neil, absolutely, there has to be an end-game, but the republican position is to not support ukraine in the meantime. part of that end-game is to put ukraine in a position to defend itself. yeah, russia's got a big army now using the north koreans and the iranians and china, and it's a tough fight for ukraine, but if they didn't have the 60

billion dollars, the weapons to defend themselves, which is is trump's position, then this would be over. absolutely, it makes sense to talk about an end-game, but peace through strength. neil: but there's no end-game even with all the money. congressman. maybe we have to rethink the strategy here. >> sure, that's fine. do you think it improves the chance to get to an end game to cut off ukraine? is that something that you would support and do you think that would help us get to a better place, which is exactly what donald trump proposed? >> so when you hear joe biden apparently trying to frontload or get passed $9 billion more aid to ukraine, you support that? >> absolutely. well, look, it's a simple choice at this point. putin has made it clear that he's going to keep pushing until he takes all of ukraine unless the united states and our partners and by the way, i do agree with senator-elect sheehy, it's important for

europe to step up and they have on ukraine's defense. and that's what they have to do if ukraine is going to continue to exist. neil: i'm going to switch gears. what happened to democrats? i'm stating the obvious, but you've been critical of the party's approach even as the party was getting ready for the election, but the fact is there's a lot of finger pointing, nancy pelosi going after donald-- after joe biden, i apologize. biden supporters going after her and, it's just a mess and everyone, you know, pointing to the other. and there's a continuing in your party saying that we don't have to change anything, we just had a bad candidate. what do you think? >> well, two big points to that. one, unquestionably joe biden and his team did an incredible disservice to the democratic party by insisting that he run again and i could walk down that road for a half hour and i'm not going to. let's state the argument

clearly at age 80 deciding to run again, that wasn't a smart choice. the fundamental problem with the democratic party we've not sufficiently stood up to unacceptable proposals from the radical left. most of my party will say, forgive me, a fox news fiction and that's not going on, but when it comes to the police, abolish the justice department, abolish ice, amounts to open borders, radical identity politics, these things are deeply unpopular and should be. i consider myself to be a progressive democrat, none of those things to me are part of being a progressive democrat, but they become part of what they see the democratic party as doing and living in the seattle, king county area, it's not a figment of people's imagination. you know, a lot of those policies are being implemented to horrible effect and we as democrats have either, you know, let them-- either supported them in some isolated cases, but the bigger problem is not standing up to

them not saying no, that's wrong. okay, for fear of offending people in certain parts of our party. we have got to get back to what i consider core democratic working class values and get away from the, you know, defund police, identity politics. neil: right. >> all of those things that don't help working class peoples. sorry, i went on there. neil: do you think your party, congressman, needs another bill clinton, someone who would take on the left, moderate positions, do something like that, he emerged after michael dekhakis and the third big presidential defeat in 1988 and he comes along in 1992 and flips the script. >> centrist politics didn't do enough to help the working class, insisted that everyone go to college and get an engineering degree. so, yes, but it needs to be modified to make up for the mistakes that were made by the centrist approach as well. neil: okay. very good.

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oval office, they can discuss some things so that the olive branch back and forth continues. we'll stay on that. of course, this is something that's been so very, very calm transition of power going on right now. we'll see how that all works out. in the meantime, still waiting to see how the legal cases against the president-elect work out. many are being dropped off pushed off if not entirely forgotten. the former assistant attorney general on what's what, and what happens now. tom, good to see you. how many of these cases do you think, tom, totally go away? >> i think all four of them will go away, neil. i think the federal cases are the easiest ones to predict, there as we know, donald trump will fire jack smith on noon january 20th, if jack smith is still in the position by then. i think there's a good chance to smith will resign and the cases as far as the cases going

away, the georgia case has been in suspended animation for some time and don't see that. and the new york judge is poised to sentence donald trump, and i don't think the way we contemplated now that he's been elected. the judge could pose a fine on trump or dismiss it entirely. neil: you're talking about judge marchan, that's the one that could have landed donald trump in jail and seems unlikely had he lost. i'm wondering what comes of that and whether the-- just the pressure, the reality of the moment combined to make the judge say, enough, this is not going to go anywhere? >> i think there's a good chance that's exactly what he says, neil. he's already been presented with the case that he dismiss the case entirely on the grounds of presidential immunity based on the supreme court decision. that road is open to him. another road open to him look,

i'm going to let the conviction stand, but not going to impose sentence. there's no possibility that he's going to impose a jail sentence on trump and i think the most that he could do would be some sort of minimal fine and then bring the case to the end, but look, the election was a game changer in all respects. neil: you know, you're a great lawyer and i don't want to ask you an overtly political question, but you could make a credible argument to think of the cases in going after donald trump, whatever you made of them, did look like a pile on and actually helped him get elected again to the presidency. >> i think you absolutely can make that argument. i think that there are a lot of americans, maybe even people who weren't strongly pro trump supporters to begin with who saw the prosecutions play out and felt he was getting a raw deal and enabled trump to have a platform and remember, he addressed the public typically every day after the new york case had come out and speak and hold press conferences and won a lot of people over that he was being persecuted and treated unfairly and we saw

that play out on tuesday night. neil: you know, we talk about jack smith and whether he can be fired. technically, i don't think he's a justice department employee, he's brought in to handle this case. is it that simple to can the guy? >> well, it's simple for him to resign. in other words, smith could either dismiss the prosecution and step down, but trump could fire him. i think technically trump would have to direct his new attorney general to do the firing, but he can be fired pretty much instantaneously once trump takes office. i don't think we'll get there. i think that smith will be gone before january 20th. neil: there's been a lot of talk from the democrats and critics of the president-elect that he's just going to do to them that he charged what they did to him. that he's going to weaponize. there's no sign of that. what do you think? >> there's no question that that is something that's on the president's mind. he's pretty open about it during the campaign and when he

said those things, i think you have to take it very seriously. on the other hand as we saw during the first trump administration kind of what the president wants, the president doesn't always get when it comes to prosecuting people he used as enemies. one thing we'll keep our eye on, how he fills the top ranks. justice department at least in theory, these are men and women who will bring their own independent judgment to bear, whether there will be prosecutions. trump may want the people to be prosecuted, but at the end of the day he'll have to find people in the justice department who examine the evidence and agree with the president that charges are appropriately brought. we'll cross that bridge when we get there. neil: and to your point, tom, great seeing you. tom dupree, lawyer extraordinare and then some. you've heard about all the states that are saturated with rain and many are not. droughts, new jersey and california closing some wicked wildfires and those are getting

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>> we had the floods and now wildfires are bedevilling california and new jersey and parts of new york. it's wild. rick reichmuth following it for us. what's going on. >> we have a crazy weather pattern, and both coasts have incredibly dry conditions, and the central part snow weather today. and fires new england, parts of new jersey into new york and now actually have air quality alerts that have been issued here across parts of the lower hudson valley and entrance to long island. there are fires here and the wind is bringing in unhealthy air quality across the area, if you're susceptible to respiratory issues, you need to take care. all of this is happening as we've seen the drought spanning

the country, especially the east coast. this is september 3rd for the last two months take a look what's happened here, go towards now and this has exploded especially in the northeast when we're in one of the driest stretches we've had. tomorrow we're going to have rain and not going to bust the drought. 22 years since new jersey has been experiencing extreme drought and we have that going on right now because of all of this dry conditions. let's move out across parts of the west. we have this mountain fire in ventura county, california and it's getting better containment. 17% contained and getting it under control. and wind conditions coming down and is going to help. this one certainly caused so many problems. in the middle of the two areas we have the big storm, you see the snowy side of this, it's brought almost five feet of snow across parts of colorado one of the biggest they've had certainly at this time of the season and in the gulf coast,

rafael, it had been a storm, and moisture is moving up with the snow moving cold front and because of that, we have a significant threat for flooding today right where you see this red and the yellow, yellow is level three out of four, but that red is a level four out of fought threat for flash flooding, we'll see some spots today maybe up to eight to 10 inches of rain and that's potentially going to cause a big flooding emergency across parts of louisiana and you need to be very careful if you're in this area throughout the day today, neil. neil: rick, thanks for your coverage of the crazy weather year. i know we're not done with it, but, man, oh, man. rick reichmuth with that. and you've heard about donald trump doing something that hasn't been done since glover cleveland. we'll explain and explore after this.

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>> all right. the last time we saw anything like this was grover cleveland. i'm talking about the president who served non-back-to-back terms. grover cleveland did it when he got the office in 1892 after losing election in 1888 after first getting elected in 1884. things didn't go quite so well as his first term. inflation was a bugaboo. some people say that could be the case for donald trump. and what do you think douglas, a lot of people are focusing on grover cleveland more than they ever have. i understand that his gravesite has been visited more than it

ever has. and what do you think about the comparisons. >> grover cleveland is having a moment and here we are talking about him and he had non-consecutive terms, it was the only one before donald trump. of course, grover cleveland was a democrat, the first democrat after the civil war who brought in the disgruntled republicans and kind of forged a new party. he would have gone down in history greater, neil, but of course by 1893 we had a great recession or really a depression and his reputation faded, but he was honest, known for good government. we usually rank him in the middle, middling rung of presidents, nothing to be ashamed of and two terms is pretty good. neil: certainly is. and what's interesting with the connect to donald trump, he was effective as a democrat, the first democrat to take over since the civil war so they waited 20-some odd years for

that, but he connected well with average folks. donald trump connected well, still connects well with average folks. but again, you mentioned this inflation and later recession, depression issue that bedeviled him and sometimes those things take on a life of their own, regardless who is in the white house. what do you think? >> i couldn't agree more. i've been teaching presidential history for a long time and i always warned students, don't-- presidents get the credit and the blame. when it comes to the economy, and it's doing well, if it's their economy, it does badly, they're the problem. the truth is, as you know, better than anybody at fox news. the markets have a mind of their own and in the who is president matter. but you know-- >> ironically to that point though, i didn't want to jump on you there, but the markets have been running ahead on the belief that, you know, the tax cuts, regulatory cuts, that's going to keep stock prices

already up a lot, rising a lot more. i just had a fed governor here on this show a little earlier that said that that could be inflationary and there-in lies sort of like the double edged sword, right? >> of course, and donald trump on the campaign trail talking about tariffs and how high they will be is one thing and what type of tariff as a sitting president that he would try to impose would make a gigantic difference on the economy. when you talk about border security and talk about finding undocumented workers and moving them out of the u.s., it does create a void in the job market. i mean, for years in the southwest, including texas where i'm at right now, undocumented workers were essential for building, for agriculture, for, you know, working on road projects and if you start banishing a group of work force, who fills the void. and so there's a lot to be

seen, but grover cleveland's a little different than trump. when he was young he would deal with the blind and the deaf and work at an institute, since people came from that side. and donald trump's came from the top, you know, understanding the world of show biz, understanding casino culture, understanding building, but also, just how to talk the language of everyday people. some people think trump is vulgar, others say, no, he has the vernacular of the average american in his voice. neil: you know, when you think about it, they both rose, the presidents very quickly, a couple of years before he first became president, grover cleveland briefly the mayor of buffalo, then new york and the white house. and donald trump, the first crack at it. and democrats, what they do, soul searching i'm old enough and maybe you're old enough as

well, democrats were throwing up their arms michael dukakis lost in a landslide, to george bush. and then along comes bill clinton in 1992. do they need a moderating figure? >> well, there's going to be a, you know, a neo civil war within the democratic party because there are two distinct wings. one is the progressive aoc wing and there's bill clinton about his life and he's going to be all over the tv shows and moving to the middle and how do you represent a moderate, working class party. so, that battle is going to ensue.

i think the clinton version will win out in the end. so suddenly, bill clinton may be the new, turning 80 in a year, he'll be a spokesperson, yet again, for how you have to create a new democrat because the current brand of what is a democrat isn't working. neil: yeah, you have to take on your party's icons. i don't know what would be expected years later, but we shall see. douglas, great seeing you again and thank you, always appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. have a good weekend. neil: you, too, doug. douglas brinkley. we've got lot more coming up, griff jenkins and anita vogul will take you through as team trump is assembly a team to be a winner -- to be around is what i meant to say. so we invited people to give ehealth a try, and discover how easy it can be to find your medicare match.

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