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us shortly. in the wake of donald trump's stunning election victory, the magnitude of the media's failure is absolutely breathtaking and not just because they were counting on and largely rooting for kamala harris. the deeper layer of malpractice if here is the complete and utter failure to the understand the president-elect's appeal and if why the democrats were so badly shellacked. bottom line, the immediate -- media misjudged the country with some exceptions. as the numbers rolled in and trump had six times as many electoral votes as harris and was winning the contested sun belt states, some commentators tried to keep hope alive. >> that number tells us a story about how people voted in a deep red state, it could be a good night for the harris campaign. howard: but by early morning that fantasy evaporated with fox projecting trump would win wisconsin. >> the fox news decision desk can now officially project that donald trump will become the 47th president of the united states.

>> that message, obviously, was not enough to get enough white women to vote for vice president harris. a fellow woman. >> i can't help but wonder if the american people have given up on democracy. howard: nowing some tried to understand the political earthquake while others vowed the keep fighting as part of the resistance. >> fundamentally, this is a rejection of the democratic party, my party, kamala harris and a left-wing ideology. >> there are a lot of people experiencing legitimate if pain and sadness and fear right now. >> the very thing that donald trump was accuse biden of, that that he had weaponized the department of justice, that he was siccing the federal cops on people, is what donald trump actually wants to do. >> he is now the president -- i'm still not going to say his name. [laughter] [applause] that's not going -- howard: not exactly a deep-rooted examination of why the media a were unable to

understand their fundamental role in this election when it comes to, what's his name. oh, and the huffington most's -- post's screaming headline, the nightmare returns. i'm howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ ♪ howard: as the two candidates delivered their speeches, some in the media world criticized the coverage while others urged the press to keep fight as part of the resistance. [applause] >> and now it's going to reach a new level of importance if because we're going to help our country heal. we overcame obstacles that nobody thought possible, ands it is now clear that we've achieved the most incredible political dc look what happened. is this crazy? [cheers and applause] >> a fundamental principle of american democracy is that when we lose an election, we accept the results.

we owe loyalty not to a president or a party, but to the constitution of the united states. [cheers and applause] >> no one believed that trump was hitler or fascist, no one believed the smears, not even democrats who made them. >> the free press needs to give this people assurances that they will not become state tv, that they will stand and fight together. >> liberals woke up this morning confused. how could a dictator win the popular vote and take the senate and probably the house? the answer is simple, they lied to you. >> we know how to do this. we've done it before. we endured those four years once before, and we resisted every day of those disgraceful trump years in the white house. howard: and some are still grappling with their grief. >> the hardest thing is that i look across this country and tens of millions of people fell

for this [bleep]. i'll snap out of it, but i'm in a very, very dark tunnel right now. [laughter] howe joining us thousand to analyze the coverage our ladies in red, mary katharine ham, can host of getting hammered, and megyn hayes, a former official in the biden white house and campaign. i think we ought to send james carville a blueberry pie or something because intervention is needed. what is the magnitude of the media's failure to understand donald trump's appeal to working class voters and the growing disconnect of kamala harris' party? >> yeah, i think -- and i always say this, there's a too-close alliance between the left media and the left campaign operatives, right in and i think the message is harris-walz, obviously. you saw some of those signs. it's hectoring, lecturing, it does not allow for the idea that anyone could reasonably assess another candidate is working better for them. and i think this electorate was a y'all are full of it electorate, i don't believe what you're telling me. and if you continue to lecture

me about things whether it's the border, it's secure when there's millions of people coming across, the economy is really good according to goldman sachs when you can't buy grocery is, whether it's biden himself is totally fit to do the job and it turns out he's not or harris is amazing and it turns out she's not, these things people see with their eyes. and when they're told that they're hateful forking having concerns about what's in front of their eyes, that makes them angry and make them willing the go the other way. howard: by the way, these are the people who called the the campaign flawless, alex wagner, sunny hostin, joy reid. women with. trump campaign resented the assumption that almost all women would vote for kamala harris, and that didn't happen. i mean, she won by 7 percentage points which isn't much when you consider the gender gap among men. >> yeah. i think too many, again, in media and left-wing sort of consultant the class talk only to each other, and i exclude my friend at the table here who is happy to sit down and talk with

others. if you don't just talk the each other and very rich, liberal friends, you would see, as i sie the shy trump vote voter was going to be a suburban, educated woman who maybe hadn't voted for trump in the past. abortion and liz cheney wasn't enough for them. there were other things they were concerned about. howard: megan, what do you see as the media's malpractice, if you do, and kamala harris getting overwhelmingly favorable coverage and in the end it didn't help? >> i think there's a couple things here. i don't think people are necessarily getting their news anymore from mainstream media. i think they're getting it from podcasts, so i think we are talking to ourselves, talking to an echo chamber. people who lean right tune in to fox, so we're not doing a service to people to give dissenting opinions on these stations. so i think that's part of the problem. i also think the media was reporting off what the polls were saying -- howard: and the polls were

flawed, as they usually are. >> 100%. so i think reporting off the polls and they were giving misinformation, and it's not their fault 100, but they could have done were the. howard: of course progressives should still fight for what they believe in, but should the media liberals continue to attack donald trump now, months before he takes office? you see rachel maddow, stand and fight, she tells the free press. >> i think there's a difference of criticizing trump and criticizing and continuing to fight. i think that the democrats need to take a hard look at themselves and look at the electorate is more moderate, and they move the more moderate if they want to win elections in the future. that is different than fighting donald trump's policy which he has not done yet. and i think democrats need to take a look at some of the things he did do in his first term and what he said he was going to do and those things that didn't happen. we need the wait for action before we start criticizing him. howard: let me play a comment from "fox & friends" if cohost ainsley earhart about the networks. >> think about all the channels, abc, nbc, cbs, msnbc, cnn, all

pro-kamala. all of those channels, they had an opportunity -- those were free advertisements for her, and she still lost. howard: so, mary katherine, i mean, the coverage a was gushing, supportive while obviously continuing relentless assault against donald trump. and so looking back, did that contrast with reality? >> yeah, i think it did. i think -- i just saw system of the exit polls, j.d. vance was the only of the four to have a positive rating coming out of some of the exit polls which speaks to the gap between what media sold you about who this person was and who people saw on the debate stage. and that happens a lot with candidates if you have a legacy media that is not paying attention to other people. i think meg began's exactly right, one of the things the press needs to do moving forward is not be so emo all the time whether it's to celebrate harris or whether it's to have an emotional breakdown over trump -- howard: everything was at 11. >> i think it takes away if your

critical faculties, and people do not believe you when you are always at 11. i've been saying this since 2015, and they refuse to back down. howard: you're coming in at about a 7.5 right now. [laughter] so washington post columnist perry bacon, trump will probably be with even more extreme, radical and cruel. we need another resistance to take him on. and he specifically includes journalists. so when we talk about the democratic it lee -- elite not getting understanding truck drivers and nurses and plumbers and so forth, would that include journalists in new york, d.c. and l.a.? >> i hope that these journalists take a hard look at themselves. it's just -- over 200,000 people canceled their subscription to the washington post because they didn't endorse a candidate -- howard: because jeff bezos ordered that killed, yeah. >> people in wisconsin and michigan are not upset hat washington post -- that the washington post didn't endorse. >> there was a win -- reason she

was with the winning campaign. >> thank you. howard: does it trouble you that now trump wins the election and jack smith is now taking steps to drop all these criminal cases? if when in the past, program presidents were expected not to fear investigations involving the white house and particularly the president himself? >> well,, honestly, i think that's one of the things people thought they were full of it about, right? of. [laughter] there was this constant crumb beat about he wants to go after his -- the drum beat that he wants to go after his political enemies. you can't tell people that the while you're literally trying to put him in jail with a novel charge created in the southern district of new york. like, i just don't think those two things align for people. and because they'd been at 11 for so many years, people thought i just don't buy that this guy is the person you're telling me he is. howard: on the other hand, megan, voters knew the details of most of these cases and voted to elect trump by historic margins anyway. so you could even argue that it

helped donald trump because there was -- he tried to turn it into the persecution of a republican nominee and sort of meld that with their own grievances which was commented on a little bit, but i think it actually turned out to be one of the keys to the campaign. >> people can think donald trump wants to be a dictator, that that he's guilty of all these charges, but that's not helping them buy groceries or gas, lowering their health care prices. so they voted on their mix, their kitchen table issues and economic standpoint over anything anyone had said to them about donald trump whether the campaign, the media or even what they personally feel. they were voting on where they were in the world with their kitchen table issues. howard: so a lot of people are saying, and we'll talk about this later in the program, you know, because of the rise of podcasts and other alternative forms of media that this is a bad sign for those of us in the traditional media, networks, newspapers which no younger

people want to read a newspaper. they want to, you know, get it on their phone and so forth. but i wonder if we can overstate that because you still have a demand. remember when kamala harris for a month, sort of hid out from the press. there was a demand she sit down with a television interviewer. >> my call would be make curiosity cool again, right? if the press had had more curiosity, they would have looked at joe biden more critically and told the democratic party much earlier, hey, you guys should run a primary, right? these things end up hurting you and your allies if, in fact, that's what you're trying to do. joe rogan works because he's a curious guy who talks about things without self-censoring, by the way, lee not even a conservative. -- he's not even a conservative. he's curious and free-wheeling, and a lot of people want to hear that. they feel like they've been told what they cannot say by the left and the media for a long, long time.

howard: what do you mean what they cannot say? >> they tell you which victims matter, which pain is worth talking about, and then they tell you you're shameful if you have other concerns about something like gender issues, other than concerns like kitchen table issues. how dare you think about that when democracy is at a stake. people don't like being treated that way. howard: just briefly, would you agree that the dissent among in -- the sense is they're condescended to? by the way, joe biden wasn't a fan of media either. >> yeah. i think that's not where people are getting their news anymore. i would argue the media created the storm when she wasn't doing interviews, they created the narrative why isn't she doing this. i'm a firm believer in local media and local news, and i think more candidates on a national scale should be doing local news. that's how you reach people in the community and show you care. howe by the way, donald trump introduced his new chief of staff, first woman to hold the job, down in palm beach, susie wiles. >> and thank you, susie.

i've never seen her be shy before. [applause] howard: she doesn't have much washington experience, but she. ran a good campaign, is widely expected and the guardian is offering counseling to its journalists who are just so grief-stricken. ahead, we'll talk to lara trump, but when we come back, many of the pundits who hailed the harris effort now say she ran a terrible campaign. what happened? ♪ ♪ rough, or tired? with miebo, eyes can feel ♪ miebo ohh yeah ♪ miebo is the only prescription dry eye drop that forms a protective layer for the number one cause of dry eye: too much tear evaporation. for relief that's ♪ miebo ohh yeah ♪ remove contact lenses before using miebo. wait at least 30 minutes before putting them back in. eye redness and blurred vision may occur. what does treating dry eye differently feel like? ♪ miebo ohh yeah ♪

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howard: look at how much media time was wasted on questions like this -- >> [inaudible] >> i don't have to tell them that. these are great people. these are people that believe in no violence. up like your question. you -- unlike your question. you believe in violence. howard: a little tangling with

the journalist who asked that. most of the media told us that kamala harris was running a fantastic, celebrity-packed, joy-filled campaign. every time she'd appear with oprah or beyonce, it was, you know, it made news. and as soon as she lost, it was the like, oh, she was too cautious and she wasn't authentic, she didn't separate from biden. so it sounds like the the press knew this and was covering if for -- for her. >> yes. i think they were pretending because they were in favor of her, and there were things that they should have been critical about and weren't and, in fact, some of those things might have helped her adjust in realtime and do more interviews local, national, what have you, to get your feet under you and get better at this tonight -- kind of thing. and james carville, who i know is very upset, also had had a correct observation where on "the view" sunny hostin asked her what would you do differently -- howard: that turned out to be. >>s it is the question you exist to answer is what he said, and

he was right, and she couldn't answer. howard: i can't think of a single thing. obviously, it wasn't from one of her media adversaries. >> noment. howard: why do you think, meghan, that the press is now doing a 180 on kamala harris? >> i mean, i think they have to, right? they were wrong on a lot of thoughts, but i also think they're not necessarily doing a 180, i think they're trying the make excuses too just, you know, this is what happens when people lose, everyone tries the blame everyone. but i think they are looking upon themselves too, but the celebrity game is great for media, and it builds momentum in the media, but that's not what's reaching people. the media is different than voters, and i think campaigns get confused sometimes the on who their audience is. howard: also i said from the first day of this campaign that tim walz was not a good pick, he wasn't bringing anything to the campaign, and i think a lot of people agree with that as opposedded to picking the governor of pennsylvania. let's take a look at lindy li, she has been a surrogate for the harris campaign, and here's what she had to say the other day.

>> i actually think president biden, you know, the whole endorsing her 30 minutes after he dropped out, i think that was a big f-you to the matter. been party. if you don't want me, here's somebody you may not like, but deal with it. howard: and this reminds me of when the press said joe biden, oh ors he's sharp, he's competent, all this stuff about he's confused, it's just g s op propaganda. again, covering for a president as perhaps they covered for kamala harris who we all can see is in system mental decline. >> yeah. like, they had a chance to do this earlier, and i think the party and the pressbiden and kamala harris all worked together to put her actually in a very baddings position, but it was a bad position of their own making. and it was because this problem was ignored when, by the way, dean phillips who ran starting in late 2023 in a primary against joe biden deserves a lot of apologies from the party and the press because he was on to something. he was correct. and i think it would have made

their path much, much better if they'd had that democratic process. by july it was too late to create what they needed to create. howard: right. because she ended up with a 107-day campaign, and congressman phillips was the only one to say, look, biden's been a great president, but he's clearly declining. and the press largely ignored him because he was taking on an incumbent president and was going nowhere. meghan, i'm just going to be blunt, the press was, apparently, a common thread here, protecting these two democrats until it didn't matter anymore, and now we're, like, many of our members are beating them up. >> sure. i think that's natural, right? that's what -- howard: because that the's what happens after a losing campaign? if i've never seen it this intense. >> the campaigns going after each other -- howard: either one. >> i think that's natural. i think there are people brought in not necessarily favorable of joe biden to begin with. we can do a lot of would have,

could have, should have, and we can dissect it, but the democratic party missed where the voting electorate was at, and that is in the middle, and they misjudged that, and if that is the fault of all these democrats. that is not just one person's fault. we misjudged and messaged wrong, and we need to own that. howard: yeah. well, the democratic party missed by a mile, and the media, i would say, missed by several light years and now face the challenge of trying to connect and to understand more that there is a whole part of this country that's not part of their bubble that is very happy about donald trump winning the popular slote. not a lot of speculation about that before, and it surprised me as well. meghan hayes, mary katharine ham, thank you very much. up next, what's behind those nasty leaks as the harris and biden campaigns blame each other. ♪ ♪ take what the markets gives me? no. i can do some research. ya know, that's backed by j.p. morgan's leading strategists like us.

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howard: there's suddenly a tsunami of leaks from the harris

and biden camps. i spoke earlier to jacqui heinrich, fox's senior white house correspondent. jacqui heinrich, welcome. >> thanks, howie. howard: are harris and biden sources coming to you with all kinds of complaints and and leaks about the other camp? if because it seems like this anonymous sniping is everywhere. >> yeah, it is harder to quantify -- hard to quantify just how many opinionses i have in my text messages right now. [laughter] everybody is finger-pointing. and i think that it's because in some extent people were surprised by this caught -- outcome. now that it's happened, they're all saying, but of course. and sort of peeling back the hood and looking at the problems that they could have resolved. it runs the gamut. i mean, i would say that biden world sources have different perspectives than harris world sources. there are the obama people, obviously, as well but start of -- sort of a continuing theme here is that there's more of a willingness to look at how the

campaign was run than the messaging that was focused on. and i think that is what democrats are going to have to really wrap their minds around -- howard: let's take them one at a time. so are you hearing and reporting from those in the kamala harris camp that they're upset with joe biden? because, after all, she was the nominee. >> there are some people who believe that joe biden should have dropped out sooner. and given harris a longer lead to establish herself. if some of those same people within her operation, and you have the remember that operation included obama people, biden people and haste people, so it's varied. some of them are saying, well, it wouldn't have mattered because she refused to sort of stake out what her positions were anyway. the rest res of the country is sort of left without a message they felt attracted to. howard: and what about president biden's team? he built the campaign she inherited, blaming things or attempting to on kamala harris. >> yeah.

they feel, some of them feel kind of vindicated especially toward the people from the obama world who didn't help him when he was at the top of the ticket, didn't help him in 2020 and then the forced him off and now have to own this result. he remains the only person who has beat donald trump. at the same time, there are some people even close to him who believe that his decision to run for a second term really shouldn't have happened because we all know that he is getting up there in age and that the party needs to find a new leader moving forward. and now they've got the start that work while trump is in the white house. howard: what else were harris campaign sources complaining about in terms of biden world? >> they were complaining that there were too many cooks in the kitchen, that their operation was sort of a frankenstein team pieced together by vestiges of the obama people who came in and her own people. but one decision in the end that i find pretty interesting is where they focused their

resources because they were getting signals that this might be insurmountable. when i was in philadelphia watching her give thest last each of her campaign and doug emhoff came out op on stage and held her hand as she was walking off, that was not the woman who thought she was going to be the president of the united states. that was the picture of someone who likely knew they were losin- howard: unlike many in the media. jacqui heinrich, thanks very much for joining us. next on "mediabuzz," a look at the incoming trump administration. rnc co-chair lara trump in a moment.ou ♪ ldst. it's gonna get nasty later. like you know, to check the weather first, before sailing. have fun on land. i'll go tell the coast guard. so check all state first for a quote that could save you hundreds. upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature.

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howard: joining us now from palm beach, lara trump, can co-chair of the republican national committee. and, lara, thanks for being here. how did you overcome the relentless attacks, the relentless barrage from the media against the president-elect, fascist, hitler, authoritarian? especially when it contrasted with the hugely favorable coverage of kamala harris? >> yeah. i think it was 8% negative --

85% negative for donald trump versus 7 8% positive for kamala harris. look, howie, this has been sort of the tradition with donald trump. this is what he's always a faced, is and it started the day he came down the escalator in trump tower in 2015 and announced he was running for president as a republican. and so i think it's something that he's gotten used to, our campaign has a had to get used to to over now this is our third presidential election that we've gone through. but i also think it's something that the people of this country, i don't even want to use the words got used to, but really started to question to a large extent. because when you had donald trump in the white house for four years and things like world war iii didn't break out, but yet we're closer than we've everren right now -- been right now, when you saw that the economy moved in the right direction and there wasn't a major recession, whenever the things they pledged about donald trump would happen never happened in that first term in office, i think it made a lot of people question to see how bad it was right now. i think it really took them over

the edge, and people started to do their own research. howard: on a personal note, what has it been like for you and your husband, eric trump, to watch your father-in-law be portrayed as a danger to democracy who was going to put his political opponents in jail? as you know, there was a pretty loud barrage of that. >> the irony of that one seems, to to a large extent, what they were trying to do to donald trump himself. listen, it's the reason that you've seen our entire family continue to fight for this man. we know the truth about him. we now hoe he didn't -- now -- know how he didn't need this job, but he truly loves the united states of america. and that's why we'll continue to fight alongside of him. i think what you're going to see happen over the course of the second trump administration, i think it's going to be incredible. e actually think donald trump is going to come out of the white house with one of the highest approval ratings of any modern president, and i really believe that he's going to do

exceptional things. he's already right now, howie, brokering peace in the middle east. he's not even inaugurated and in the white house officialty as president, he's president-present. these are amazing things, and i believe he'll do more that people don't even expect in a a send term. howard: well, let's talk about that second term because another major tax9 cut at the temperature of the a. >> dane -- agenda. the committee for a responsible federal budget says just ending taxes on social security benefits which the president-elect suggested during the am pain -- campaign would boost the deficit by $1.6 trillion over 10 years. isn't that a huge problem? >> look back to the tax cuts and jobs act that he signed when he was in his first term in office. it was the largest tax cut many american history. look, no one knows the economy better than donald trump. he's a businessman, after all, and he still considers himself to be that. what you saw with that first term and that first tax cut was really my around how can -- miraculous things start to happen. new hires, new investment here

in the united states of america. $1.5 trillion was repatriated back into the united states from overseas. so he's got a plan to make sure that these things work for our economy, work for our people in america and don't get us deeper in debt and into that a deficit. and i think that's one of the reasons, quite frankly, that people went out and voted for donald trump. they can't afford four more years of what we just lived through, and they said i mow he did it the first time he was in the white house, i believe he'll do it again. howard: kamala harris said repeatedly during the campaign, as you know, that in a second term donald trump would cut medicare and social security. could that be on the a table? >> absolutely not, and he said that many times. they also lied about project 2025 the, they lied about abortion. they lied about a lot of things throughout the course of this campaign. thank goodness, the the american people were smart enough to see through them. no, donald trump has said very clearly he will not touch medicare or social security. howard: yeah, he said it to me in our first interview in 20

saw, and he didn't do it in his first four years. now, you spoke with martha a maccallum is -- the other day about attacks on president trump's character and attempts smear him. what does that say about kamala harris? >> well, i think it said all along she didn't really have a plan. she didn't have a single policy point that she could direct the american people to and say this is why you should vote for me. if your running for president of the united states -- if you're running for president of the united states, you better tell them how you're going to make their life better, not just continually attack the opposition. and i think whenever they got to a level of just insulting people and trying to harass people into voting for them, that's kind of, howie, when you lose the american public. when people say, you know what? i don't want to be insulted into voting for someone. i want to actually looked at how this person might make my life better and make the future better for this country, my kids, my grand cuds, etc. and that -- grandkids. and that's what donald trump did. when they got to the point of

constant mud-slinging, i think that's what lost them the election. howard: but couldn't democrats say the same? during the campaign trump called the vice president dumb, cursed her at one point and yesterday her racial identity. >> well, i think whenever you see donald trump say things like this, this is the not out of character for him. this is who he's always been. i think it is pretty dumb, howie, to leave the border wide open and allow 20 million to pour into our country illegally, pretty dumb to shut down the keystone xl pipeline. i think there are a lot of dumb things that happened during the course of this administration, and i think a lot of americans agreed with donald trump's assessment of exactly that. howard: well, it's one thing to say that the policies are dumb versus saying somebody -- >> you've got to question someone's intelligence if they're doing these things, quite frankly. howard: okay. look, donald trump told me in our trump tower interview just three weeks ago there will be no retribution against his political enemies. obviously, he's raised it in the

past, but he frequently, as you know better than anybody, went off script during the campaign whether it was talking about hannibal elector or calling nancy pelosi evil and crazy, a lot of people don't like that. he says he wants to heal the country. would you advise him, at least in this realm, to taupe it to down a bit? >> i think he is going to heal the country. and, or again, i said it a few minutes ago, but i really believe when he leaves the white house, people are going to have a completely different view of donald trump. this man has been put through hell and back. you think about what has happened to him. he's lost zeros off the a back of his net worth. they've tried to throw this man in prison. he has done everything possible to make this country better, and he's fighting for the american people and for this country. and for that, all of the attacks against him, yeah, he's pretty upset, and yes, or he goes off script. but, honestly, it's one of the things that i think people find rather charming to an extent about donald trump. he is who he is and he makes no

apologies for it. he's not one way in front of the camera and another behind the scenes. he's transparent and maybe people don't love everything he says, everything he posts on x, but i think they did love the way their life felt when he was in the white house. that's why they voted for donald trump. that's why not only did he get 312312 electoral -- 312 electoral votes, he won the popular vote this time around. i think it's amazing. and i believe, as he said, that success will -- howard: i've got to jump in -- >> i think that people are going to be unified. howard: okay. does donald trump feel vindicated by the size of this victory? >> i think we all feel vinld candidated. nobody bought the lies. everybody finally understands what's going on. and for our family no more than anyone, i believe, or we have all been smeared and attacked, and it feels really good to know that the american people finally saw through it and and believe in this man as much as we do. howard: lara trump, thanks very much for joining us. >> after the break, some in the media bemoaning the big kamala

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gender bias and race bias than we thought. howard: joining us now, richard fowler, radio host and fox news contributor. did kamala harris lose in part because some voters are racist and sexist? >> i think we have to sort of reverse the question, right? so a couple months ago we were having a conversation whether or not black men were going to vote for kamala harris, and it dominated the news. i can't comment if how many segments i did right here on this air talking about it. the data is that black men are one of the most loyal voting blocs in america. news flash, black men voted for kamala harris more than any other group outside black women -- howard: since you brought that up, and i do want to get back to the question, donald trump doubled his percentage to 16% among black voters, and biden in 2020 was at 91%, harris at 8 if 3%. >> it was a legitimate debate. but this goes back to what i think part of the problem is and if you're referencing to al sharpton -- howard: and others, yeah.

>> but i think there's also some critical flaws in the democratic infrastructure. the democratic infrastructure in the 13-week campaign are, like, how do we win this thing. their thought was, well, let's go after disthe affected republicans -- disaffected republicans, white women. we think that's you are strategy to win. remember how i started the segment, the two most loyal voting blocs in this country are black women and black men, and this wasn't an aggressive approach by democratic consultants who made millions of dollars on a billion dollar campaign to actually say there's a lot love -- of votes here. let's go deep with the base that continues to vote for the democratic party over and over and over again. and what happens to a lot of african-american voters if you look at the overall vote total, if you look at joe biden's share of the popular vote versus kamala harris' share, there's a lot of folks that sat at home for this election. howard: right. and that was talked a -- about a little bit by the press. up like britain, scandinavia, even countries in mexico, the

last two the female nominees have failedded, they've all had female heads of state. to the extent that it came up during the campaign, it's worth noting that kamala harris de-emphasized her gender and race deliberately, unlike, say, hillary clinton. that that was, it was too much media emphasis on that or legitimate thing to argue about? >> i do think there was too much media emphasis on it. when you're doing two-week-long debates about whether or not african-americans are going to in huge numbers, like the numbers you stated are, i guess, remarkable for republican, but they're not remarkable for democrats. democrats are used to getting a large share of the black vote, and once again they did. so my question to the democratic infrastructure, the people who were the chair of kamala harris' campaign, the consultants who were cutting ads who got billions of dollars to make this campaign work, what happened here? why was there a conversation about black men when we should have been, like, this is our

target, this is who we're going after, this is who we're going to build our campaign around? we've never seen somebody run a 13-week campaign and actually win versus somebody who's been running for four year toes -- howard: there's an argument that no matter what she did, she would not be able to stop the trump juggernaut. >> but with that being said, or when joe biden gets elected, he says in his acceptance speech or the night he wins the election, i will never forget the african-american if community. i won't forget about you. he gets to the white house and while there was a lot of good things done in policy to help african-americans, the people who surrounded the president did not necessarily do what needed to be done to ensure that african-americans felt like they were centered in the biden white house. howard: i've got less than a minute, but what's your take on journal its who were still attacking donald trump and still saying the media a have to keep fighting as part of the resistancesome. >> i would urge journalistses in this moment to ask some critical questions. if michigan -- in michigan kamala harris loses the

election, but you now have senator slotkin. in nevada kamala harris loses, but you have senator rosen reelected. in north carolina governor -- these are all democrats who were below kamala harris on the ballot, they seem to win in these battleground states, but vice president kamala harris seems to lose. my question the to journalists is what happened here, what did the consulting class do wrong? how did these folks win and she lose? that's what i'm questioning in this moment. howard: yeah. some of those races got overshadowed. richard fowlingly, always good to see you. are pod californias and tiktok now important the campaigns than tv and newspapers? ♪ ♪ all in one and done... with mucinex kickstart. aaaaaaaaaaaaa. - headache? - better now. mucinex kickstart gives all-in-one and done relief with a morning jolt of instant cooling sensation. it's comeback season.

howard: the media folks are in mourning over donald trump's

victory, and that includes late night comics. >> let's be honest, it was a terrible night last night. it was a terrible night if for women, for children, for the hundreds of thousands of hard working immigrants who make this country go -- [laughter] [applause] for health care, for our climate, for science, for journalism. [applause] howard: griff jenkins, fox news correspondent respondent and anchor is here. candidates often made big news on podcasts. more fun, friendlier reception. is this the a shift away from decisional news organizations? >> a massive shift. and we met, howie, in the mid '90s when talk radio was challenging mainstream media. rush limbaugh was king. howard: huge. >> it was really a different way that people wanted to get their political news. the media a landscape now has been shattered into 25, 30, 40 different pieces from podcasts or tiktok and that sort of thing

or going on x, elon musk. but when people say this is the podcast election, nothing could be truer. and when you look today, i looked just a moment ago at rogan, joe rogan's trump interview, more than 48 million views. the caller -- call her daddy podcast with kamala has over 800,000, and that's because she spent six figures to build the set, but she also sat there for 8 minutes. trump sat for 3 hours. howard: right. >> what does that tell us? it tells us that trump met people where they are. you're going to get votes in the future by going where people are, where they get their news. howard: right. and a lot of people read newspapers and find much in the media boring. but when you combine that with digital media ads and self-posted videos and instagram, snapchat and so forth, aren't they also avoiding the scrutiny, the candidate, of, say, sunday shows? >> absolutely. and, look, if you look at the

numbers as i wuss just talking about -- was just talking about like with joe rogan, the numbers are are undoubted. you know, i think when the creator of axios, really a pretty smart guy when it comes to seeing the shifting ecosystem of news,side joe rogan's bigger than all of us, he's right. it's bigger than the sunday shows because so many people, particularly young people -- joe rogan's audience is 30% republican, 30 democrat, 30% independent and yet the takeaway was trump increased with young voters by 10%. howard: and yet when there was a hounding of kamala harris to do a bigger is view, she chose cnn's dana bash. so tv not completely out of the game yet. >> no, we -- howard: how many more weeks do we have? >> look, you have to do tv, it's just if you want to find these low propensity voters -- howard: tune in and out, yeah. >> -- you've got to go where they are, and you've not to know how to talk the them. many have said trump talked to

the working class because he could relate to them, and we certainly saw that as a takeaway in this one. howard: griff, hanks for your insight. elon musk was on a trump call with zelenskyy. he's posted 4000 times, we've never had that situation before -- 400 times. and and at the same time, he is competing for zillions of dollars in contracts. so watch that space. and as far as our space, that's it for this e disof "mediabuzz." i'm howard kurtz. and speak of podcasts, mine is free, catch it every day, media buzz meter. of we have a lot of money, and we don't necessarily have long commercials. i'm entitled to one plug here, right? weaver covered a lot of ground here. maybe things will calm down. no, not really. thank you for joining and watching the only media a analysis show on national tft y televisionou. ♪ ugh, or tired? with miebo, eyes can feel ♪ miebo ohh yeah ♪

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