>> gillian: finally tonight, it's a very special day. >> you need to look good. you need to sound good. you need to be kind. you need to be magical. you need to be jolly. >> who, who, who. >> gillian: the christmas is just around the corner. some places it's actually begun. some santas already hard at work. six father christmases are training at santa school in london right now. learning about things such as how to perfect the iconic ho ho ho and the names of all their reindeer. we are sure all of the real santa claus cheering them on in the north pole. exclusive with senate joshted leader john thune. see you here. i'm gillian turner in washington. >> laura: good evening, everyone. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. donald trump announcing more cabinet picks.

buckle up. it is official. he is tapped senator marco rubio for secretary of state. former congresswoman tulsi gabbard as director of national intelligence. and florida congressman matt gaetz as attorney general. heads are exploding all across official washington. we'll have more on that in my angle in moments. but, first: he's back and after most of washington counted him out, after two would be assassins tried to take him out, trump has made his triumphant return. >> donald, congratulations. >> thank you. >> i'm looking forward to having a, like i said, a smooth transition. do everything we can to make sure you are accommodated what you need. and we will get a chance to talk about some of that today. welcome. welcome back. >> thank you very much. and politics is tough. and it's -- in many cases not a very nice world. but it is a nice world today and i appreciate very much a transition that's so smooth it

will be as smooth as it can get. i very much appreciate that, joe. >> you're welcome. >> thank you all. [shouting questions] >> thank you. >> laura: it's amazing that they would invite is a fascist to the white house. hmmm. and kjp had nothing but good things to say. >> there was a, you know, a very good back and forth. i want to be mindful, it was a private conversation, so i don't want to go into specifics or details. they met for more than two hours. the length of the meeting tells you that they had an in depth conversation on an array of issues. >> laura: hey, donald, thanks for taking out kamala. it really made me feel good. jill sends her thanks, too. so i'm watching this take place and, of course, smiling ear to ear. i'm thinking what the heck happened to the mega maga threat that biden warned us about. >> donald trump and the maga

republicans represent an extremism that threns the very foundations of our republic. maga republicans do not respect the constitution they do not believe in the rule of law. they embrace anger. they thrive on chaos. they live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of lies. maga republicans are destroying american democracy. >> laura: okay. they never believed any of that. it was all a lie. and it failed. america is back. and that was then. this is now. come on. joining me now, florida congressman byron donalds and ned ryun. american majority founder and ceo. this is how republicans in congress greeted trump today. check it out. >> it's nice to win. it's always nice to win. you know we had like historic kind of numbers. the house did very well. i guess you will be five up? are you looking at five or four? doesn't matter. we get used to one for a little

while. when you are used to one you can get used to anything. i just want to thank everybody, you have been incredible. we worked with a lot of to you get you in. and you helped me. you helped me, too. this is the most important election in 129 years. that's pretty good. >> laura: he is in a great mood, congressman, things are looking, very, very up for the republican party but also for the country. when trump is in a good mood, happy trump is best trump. he was happy there what was it like. >> he was happy. a celebration. a lot of hard work went into this election of victory. people weren't sure how it was going to look. the polls were very tight. if you were on the ground in these battleground states, you knew voters wanted donald trump back. so it was a time for celebration, not just with house members, but also the return to the white house, you could tell all the gaslighting from the left simply was not true, he is focused on the american people. it was a great time today. >> laura: ned, the gaetz

nomination, i mean, we are going to get to the hegseth fury, there is some of that building, but the gaetz' nomination takes official washington fury to a new level some conservatives are recognizing it. someone is crawling on my floor right now. this is live tv. what do you take away from this right now. where we are on the attorney general critically important position and, of course, president trump was undermined, he believes, by previous picks in that position. so he wanted a loyalist there. >> oh, i think it's a very clear signal from donald trump that you will never weaponize the doj against the duly elected sitting president of the united states. we're going to have somebody in there who is a loyalist. who will fight for trump inside of the doj to make sure that never happens. i think another part, laura, is the idea of matt gaetz being attorney general. i'm not sure how many of those career doj lawyers will be left

by january 20th if gaetz can get confirmed. it was a very clear signal from donald trump with gaetz' nomination you will never weaponize the doj against me again. >> laura: congressman? >> i totally agree. look, i sent out a message earlier today congratulations to the florida man matt gaetz but if you want to clean out the department of justice, this is how want. somebody who is not afraid to open up all of the -- all the filings. >> laura: where is this going to lead if he gets confirmed, where -- where could we find the real bureaucratic bodies buried here? >> unfortunately i think you will find a lot of in the political brass. the rank and file they just want to do their job for the most part we respect that but the political brass that has been allowed to stay and linger for a long time is where you are going to find most of your rot set. going to get to the bottom of it. i have full trust. >> laura: ned, can he get confirmed. >> i think this will be a test

of the new senate majority leader john thune and how much he wants to play ball with donald trump. i hope all of these republican senators many still in the senate who confirmed merrick garland will find it within themselves to actually confirm donald trump's choice for attorney general matt gaetz. so, if they can confirm merrick garland, laura, they sure as heck better confirm matt gaetz. >> laura: here is what senator thune, speaking on whether they are going to be on board with trump's agenda had to say about it, watch. >> how do you tend to balance maintaining the senate with passing the president-elect's agenda. >> we will do the job that the founders intended us to do in the united states senate and that the american people intend its to do and that right now after this mandate election, coming out of the american people to work with this president on an agenda that unwinds a lot of the damage of the biden-harris, schumer agenda. >> laura: well, congressman, that sounded pretty good. i mean, it sounded like he was on board with the trump agenda. he said it was a mandate.

that john thune mitch mcconnell protege. i like him a lot personally what is that? >> let's get real for a moment. the senate republican majority is donald trump's republican majority. >> laura: they would not be in the majority if it were not for trump, correct? >> he is the reason we have a majority. it is because of donald trump. i fully expect the snearnghts to do their job, look to the law, all the people that get put up. but they are going to make sure that donald trump's agenda passes. because it is the trump agenda that the american people overwhelmingly wants. it is a political mandate. it is not for the senators to decide what will they want to have happen. it's the will of the voters through donald trump. that's what needs to happen. >> laura: this is going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out congressman, thank you both. >> direct taxation or spending, either becomes inflation or direct tagsization. your money something wasted and the department of government efficiency is going to fix that. [cheers and applause]

we are going to get the government off your back and out of your pocketbook. this is going to be great. america is going to reach heights that had has never seen before. [applause] >> laura: well, government bureaucracy meet government efficiency. >> what would you say you do here. >> look, i already told you, i deal with the [bleep] customers so the engineers don't have to. i have people skills. i am good at dealing with people. can't you understand that? what the hell is wrong with you people? >> laura: elon musk and vivek ramaswamy two of the sharpest minds in business are coming to d.c. to clean up and cut. so bloated agencies thanks to the department of government efficiency. details of what government waste is going to be on the chopping

block with our next guest. john hart, ceo of open the books. organization that brings the public as much info as possible about how government spends their money. john, you have been doing this for a long time. >> that's right. >> laura: before we get our hopes up and we are all getting our hopes up. what do they face with the beast that is washington, d.c. that has been gobbling up our money for decades and decades? >> well, they face a very powerful beast. can i tell you there is one example that stands out success that, was my old boss tom coburn who showed that one member can cut spending, he forced through earmark ban. helped bring about the real spending reduction since the end of the korean war. one member can make a huge difference. elon musk and vivek and president trump and a whole congress committed to that, i think there could be real progress made. lawyer you could actually right now cut probably 20% of the government and almost -- you know, not talking social security. but 20% of the government and no one would notice.

>> that's right. 40 years ago president reagan in the greatest commission. one out of every three tax dollars doesn't do anything that's productive. >> laura: one out of three? >> laura: that's right, grace. >> elon musk estimates 2 trillion that can be cut out of a $6 trillion budget. that's not unrealistic at all. now, of course you can would have to go entitlements to get to that amount. congress has to start and win credibility and the respect of the public. and make progress where -- and there is so much most of the spend something medicare and social security. >> half of the budget is entitlement programs. so much fraud and duplication that you could $200 billion or 300. >> laura: got to start somewhere. >> exactly it. could disappear tomorrow and no one would notice. >> laura: speaking of the reagan administration. there was talk all those years ago about eliminating the department of education which should have been done a long time ago. i will worked there. you could walk the halls four floors. i don't know what half the people did. i was only 22 years old.

bennett was secretary. great, great group of people. there is panic over eliminating. this here are the headlines the last few days, axios, what happens if trump eliminates the department of education. how ever trump's impact america's children. can you dispel some of these concerns? they weren't worried about the kids during covid when they shut the schools but now they are worried. >> couple things. when gaos looked the all the duplication in the federal government. if we down size government, service also get better because it will be more efficient. and coburn was a happy warrior. he showed that every dollar saved in washington is a dream realized somewhere in america. so the biden policy was the opposite. you know, it showed that the best way to make something expensive is for government to make it afford being. what we are going to see with president trump and congress is a shift back to letting taxpayers decide what to do with their own money. that's going to tamp down inflation. >> laura: tell me, who likes the bureaucracy in the bureaucracy likes the bureaucracy and there

is traffic that gets worse every year in washington while when people used to go work. the good thing also trump is going to require the federal workers to come back to work. >> you got it. the other group that likes the bureaucracy are businesses that want to keep out competition. elon musk is coming under fire saying there is a conflict you have interest. elon musk wants more competition. he wants to lower barriers and have more businesses come in. so this is a very pro-innovation. this is thought an and government demolition project. this is restoration project. >> laura: should be competition for all of our dollars, there should be accountability. great to see you as always. do you know who else is panicking tonight? the military industrial complex because they think they should never be touched. any time you look at the government, oh, no, don't put them under the microscope. that's the military. well, my angle, we'll look at it, next. ♪

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♪ >> laura: all right, kids time for accountability. that's the focus of tonight's angle. >> laura: all right, washington isn't just melting down over trump's pick of matt gaetz for ag. defenders of the military industrial complex are also opposing pete hegseth. trump's choice for secretary of defense. >> he is the most unqualified candidate for this position in the history of america.

this is very dangerous. >> i'm not surprised that he picked a fox news host rather than someone who is going to understand the seriousness of the moment. our military has always been apolitical, nonpartisan, patriots. not a political military. >> this is exactly what we worried about and we warned about donald trump, which is that he is going to appoint unqualified loyalists to shape this government into his only personal thiefdom and get revenge on generals. >> laura: well, what democrats hopes for, what they have become accustomed to is a sec, def secretary of chiefs a bulwark against the president. that's why they liked mark milley under trump. remember on text message on capitol hill he recounted a phone call he had after january 6th with nancy pelosi during which she expressed concern about trump's ability to launch a nuclear war.

>> she was concerned and. >> madeleine: various. repeatedly assured her there was no chance of illegal, unauthorized or accidental launch. by law, i am not in the chain of commands. and i know that. i am in the chain of communication to fulfill my legal statutory role as the president's primary military adviser. >> laura: milley was the establishment's best hope for trump proving our defense policy. you could hear the condescension in his voice. this is why hegseth worries them. who would be their stop gap now? >> trump is going for the pentagon first. the pentagon stopped him last time. right? this is where milley held the line. that's why he is going to the pentagon and defense industry first. the first formidable what he wants to execute. >> laura: first he said it they want resistance that's why they like people like milley.

supposed defenders of norms and protocol. they have forgotten that the president, not the secretary of defense is the commander-in-chief. the pentagon chief is supposed to carry out of the president's defense priorities, not disrupt them. now, legitimate questions with a nominee's relevant experience, that's par for the course, that's one thing. but the argument that a nominee is not qualified because he is aligned with the president on policy is ludicrous. and that's going to fail. so if democrats learn nothing here, they tried to stop trump's re-election with these types of generic hyperbolic attacks for the past three years. well, really the past nine years. how did that work out for them? and let's face it the pentagon needs major reform. it's lurch from one disaster after another from the iraq war to the afghanistan war to the deadly pull out from afghanistan. it goes out saying we love our troops anywhere selfless service, their patriotism it is a sad fact that our military

leadership, the pentagon bureaucracy, and decades and decades upon decades of failure that has put news a dangerous and compromise situation. you don't think china and russia know we are nowhere near our needed recruitment levels right now? three of the four service branches failed to recruit enough service members through 2023. the army is short 10,000 soldiers, that's a 20% short fall but at least they are on top of your preferred pronouns. >> hey my name is johnny and i use he/himmened i'm coveragey i use she/her pronoun. >> using the right pronouns the simple way to affirm someone's identity. it is a signal of acceptance and respect. >> if it's a signal of acceptance and residence, how do we go about creating a safe space for everybody. >> laura: a safe space. now military leaders should be lazer beam focused on defending america's interest. but, instead, we have seen this over the years.

they waste time on pet issues of the hard left. >> i would also say that diversity, equity and inclusion is important to this military now and it will be important in the future. >> on the issue of critical race theory, et cetera, i do think it's important, actually, for those of us in uniform to be open-minded and be widely read. >> i want to understand white rage and i'm white. i want to understand it. >> laura: he will never ever live that down. meanwhile, they can't even account for the billions that they spent, audit just last month can't be sure at the pentagon of the 1.1 billion in the ukraine supplemental funds that they can't be sure they were used as intended. no biggie. of course, some are stuck in a nostalgic transabout our military capability. >> the united states military is stronger today than any time since world war ii. we are an extraordinarily powerful, battle-hardened

country, fought in iraq and fought in afghanistan. we have seen happened and ukraine over the past two years or so. we have learned a hell of a lot from it. you talk to anybody across the world, they will tell you just how strong we are. >> okay, huh? >> now repeated table top run throughs of potential conflicts show that america is repeatedly losing to china. the former lawmaker's military leaders, policy experts on the commission on the national defense strategy gave us grim news. on classified public war games suggest that in a conflicted with china, the u.s. would largely exhaust its munitions inventories and in as few as three to four weeks with some important munitions, antiship missiles lasting only a few days. once expended, replacing these munitions would take years. that is the truth about our current capability. so, right now, we are not safe. the world isn't safe.

if our military is not seen as a credible deterrent. that has to change. and president trump obviously thinks that an outsider who is not beholden to the old guard has the best shot at accomplishing this. plus, we know president trump obviously wants his picks to be effective communicators especially given how much opposition his agenda is going to face from the same people who got us into the mess we are in. the defense establishment has no one to blame but itself for the mess that we find ourselves in. and fixing this, man, this is not going to be easy. but we do know that those with the perfect d.c. resumes have repeatedly failed to keep us safe and to advance america's military interest. and that is the angle. ♪ joining me now florida congressman cory mills and elbridge colby former assistant secretary of defense under donald trump. congressman, what should hegseth, assuming he gets

confirmed, his first priority be to reform the pentagon. >> look, we got a recruitment deficit of 42,000, 8600 plus unconstitutionally purged in my honest opinion when it comes to denying the religious and medical freedoms. >> laura: covid. >> paid full back benefits and serve our military the way they were supposed to and not serve political agendas. pete understands, funny how all these pundits attack him never actually served. pete has led men in combat a degree from princeton and harvard. a great orator and wants to go after dei and crt are the primary reasons that we have 42,000 recruitment deficit. the bottom line is that he is an outsider. that's exactly what we want. he is also a military officer. in my opinion is he qualified for the job. >> laura: elbridge? >> yeah, i think the number one objective he should pursue restoring the american military will he thattle. primary should be to deter war by being able to fight and win america's wars most

significantly that means focusing on china and stop the frittering away of our military power in failed military conflicts we talked about in ukraine and places like -- >> laura: jake sullivan saying one of the persons purposes they are dealing with the transition is to make sure that ukraine is in the strongest position on the battlefield and, look, this is a horrible situation in ukraine is this really what the priority of our military should be? ukraine security? >> well, the secretary of the air force just said the other day that not only is china preparing for war by 2027, he thinks the secretary of the air force for biden that the chinese military will say it's ready by 2027. that's what they're saying and yet they are sending more of our weapons to ukraine as you rightly point out it takes us years and years to restock them when we are already deep in a hole. >> laura: congressman mills the "wall street journal" is also reporting that the trump transition team is considering a draft eo, executive order, establishing a warrior board of retired senior military personnel with the power to review three and four star

officers and recommend removals of any deemed unfit for leadership again the military industrial complex sees that and they say here comes the purge. >> again, it's not a purge. we do this all the time. every single officer like non-commissioned officers get oer evaluation report that evaluation report determines not only your promotions but what type of commands and staff position that you hold. i want to get back to one thing i was talking about which is our munition shortages. if we truly cared about insuring we have the ability to fight against a large scale force threat against pay come we have to acknowledge that things like cfius should be utilized. >> laura: explain what that. >> cfius will allow the president to stop the sale of a company that is strategically important to us. >> laura: how about u.s. steel. >> 14.4 billion. nippon, japan. these are the type of things that president trump gets and pete hegseth gets. strengthen our military. get away from dei. >> laura: our industrial base.

>> american jobs. >> laura: we knew that before world war ii. >> laura: we didn't have the ability to ramp up our manufacturing base we never would have won world war ii. that is a fact of life. everyone who knows their history should know that we are woefully unprepared on that scale right now are we not. >> we absolutely are it's clear the platform trump ran on puts industrial labor relation number two priority absolutely right. take some time. meantime the threats are eminent. we have to husband the resources we do have with the acute consciousness that i think pete hegseth really has an attention to veterans, the possibility that people are going to be put into combat. i mean, i don't think there is any kind of message that he would bring and that president trump has run on that we should take our service members' lives seriously and not fritter them away on these kind of crusades. >> laura: not to just keep going after milley here, that testimony, when he was talking about the conversations with the chinese before the election in 2020 saying it was all

copaseticment reassuring them trump would launch some nuclear attack, i guess, before the election which wouldn't make any sense. can you kind of sense this kind of holier than now condescension. to me, that's how it came off. he had years of incredible service in the military. i don't want to take that away from him. that has to stop. i mean, doesn't it? i mean, so done descending. >> at the end of the day, we stopped prioritizing military readiness and being properly equipped. china and russia are not worried about him/her, she, them. >> laura: white rage, congressman. that's what they were talking about. >> that's what we have to be focused on is military strength, peace through strength. >> absolutely. >> laura: elbridge, you cannot forget about this, this is what they were actually focused on white rage, dei and the antiracism handbook which apparently everyone had to read. >> it goes dovetails with joe scarborough's absurdly arrogant comments i don't know who he is to pass judgment on this as if

our military is above reproach. >> laura: congressman, bing bing bing. >> during the persian gulf 1980s post stripes military we had a sense of humility. focused on lethality. focus on merit and core missions of the. >> laura: or if we have a different idea or if everyone rejects this which they clearly don't we have to get out of the super power all together. we are not unless we can defend our interest. both of you so much fun to see new person. thank you so much. the current administration is clearly trying to make good and make nice in this transition period. can trump actually break up, though, the medical cartel? what is that? that's next. ♪ dry... tired... itchy, burning... my dry eye symptoms got worse over time. my eye doctor explained the root was inflammation. xiidra was made for that, so relief is lasting. xiidra treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. don't use if allergic to xiidra and seek medical help if needed. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort,

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establishment, all the dinosaurs that made all that money, they were thrilled. i take no pleasure at all snk a situation contradicting the presidency, the idea that you can get up here and talk about what you know, what evidence -- what the science is, and know that's it, let the science speak, it is somewhat of a liberating feeling. >> laura: liberating. now it's time for the american people to be liberated from them. joining me now a man who knows a lot about the healthcare bureaucracy, dr. scott atlas, senior fellow at the hoover institution. remember, he was also the white house coronavirus task force head during the trump administration. dr. atlas, great to see you. now, axios is reporting tonight that a second trump administration presents a dilemma. for scientists and career staff at top federal health agencies, stay and fight any efforts to undermine science for political purposes or leave? dr. atlas, the resistance

continues. >> yeah, thanks, laura. by the way, i wasn't the head of anything, just an adviser. >> laura: sorry, adviser. in my mind you were, in my mind you were leading the whole thing. >> thank you. well, you know, here is an example of what you are talking about. the politicization of science. i mean, this is, you know, these people there is this resistance was opposed to what dr. fauci just claimed. trust has plummeted in the cdc and the public health agencies and in science itself and doctors and hospitals, because of this contamination by political agendas, and we need fix that. and we have a big opportunity here because the president knows that. and he also knows it's the most regulated sector in the economy. so, it's tons of fraud, tons of waste. and really counter productive regulations. and he has got aens that. i know he wants the best, the safest, as well as the most innovative healthcare system, that means a lot of reforms, fda, nih, cdc, medicare,

medicaid. >> laura: now, can you really do that type of deep reform, dr. atlas, if there is no accountability for what was done during covid to americans? and, frankly, the deceit, the deception, the lack of transparency, and the outright lies that ended up really hurting people's lives, especially children, who were not allowed to go to school. >> n no, i totally agree. we need accountability to move forward and heal as a public, as a society. there is no question about that. i'm a little bit concerned about politicians in congress trying to get accountability because most people know a, their political. b it will be perceived as political. it's possible we need an outside commission. i'm not sure, i think the main focus is moving ahead. moving ahead we can prevent a lot of that stuff. we need to force transparency. we need to eliminate conflicts of interest. particularly with pharma. we need to eliminate the conflicts of interest by nih, f,

they are sharing royalties with the industry, the products that they regulate and approve. this is overt conflict of interest. we need to refocus, get rid of things like political agendas and nih funding. there is a big strategic plan that was put out recently on dei by the nih. and it's 63 pages. more than 100 people were involved. that's not the role of the nih. we need to get the objective evidence and trust americans with the data, rather than forcing them and making sure we prove safety and efficacy on everything we are actually recommending here. >> laura: yeah, so the dei virus and the pentagon we just talked about and the dei virus in the healthcare bureaucracy. both times it has to be -- both cases it has to be eliminated. the freakout over rfk, if he is in hhs secretary, very quickly, dr. atlas, what about that?

>> he is asking a lot of good questions. about things like proving safety, about things like the food pyramid. about things like not focusing on obesity and instead creating a drug culture, these are very posh questions. in my basic bottom line is this if you are afraid of the question that means you are afraid of being challenged because you don't have a good answer. this is very important. and that's got to be the way it goes. >> laura: dr. atlas, we have missed you, thank you so much for joining us. we keep saying freaking out. not being overused as a phrase what is happening in this transition. the official washington is worried about trump's day one promise. what is it? we'll take a look, next. ♪

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♪ >> laura: well president-elect trump is proposing the largest deportation in american history and naturally, democrats, are side wghtd criminal migrants and others who are gaming the system. >> we are going defend the people of this city because, look, his attack, let's be very clear, the president-elect, former president trump, his threat with not just towards new arrivals. and undocumented families.

his threats are also against black families. >> laura: what? i think we should ask the good mayor of chicago whether african-americans constituents on the south side agree with what he just said. i would love for him to have a town hall just on that subject, given where public opinion is on the deportation issue. and i don't remember anyone complaining when obama deported millions of illegals and guess who was in charge of that? that's right trump's new border czar tom homan. obama gave homan the presidential rank award the nation's highest civil service award for his work on deportations. joining us now brandon judd, former president of the national border patrol council. brandon, great to see you again, democrats used to be in favor of enforcement and understood what illegal immigration did to the united states.

now it's just all bets are off unless it's the border of ukraine we are talking about. >> yeah, that's the politics, and when you play with the security of the american people, you are going to get pushback. that's why we saw an overwhelming vote for president trump. we saw that in 2016. he secured the border all the sudden people forgot about that. now we're back to this year and we just saw the american people say that they want safety and security in this country and that starts with border security. that starts with keeping the fentanyl out. that stops with keeping the criminal aliens out. that starts with ensuring that we are able to actually remove people back to where they came from. rather than releasing them into the united states and hoping they are one day going to show up to a court appearance. that doesn't work. it's been proven. that's what this president has done and he is going to be able to do it again. >> well the resistance in illinois, and a future, i mean a potential democrat running for president in 2028, jp pritzker

says the national guard, no, he is not going to allow this in his state, watch. >> there has been some talk about using other states' national guard, red state national guards to somehow come in to a blue state and try to enforce these new stephen miller inspired rules and that's just not something we are going to accept. >> laura: they are not going to accept federal supremacy on the issue of immigration? wow. >> yeah, he can't do that. he knows he can't do that those are talking points. laura, behind the scenes is he going to work with this administration because he has to. if he doesn't, there will be federal aid that will be withheld from it. president trump has proven he is able to get people that have pushed back like mexico to actually step up to the plate. he will get what needs to be done done because j.b. pritzker can't stop him from doing it. >> laura: brandon, thank you so much. always great to see you. all right, and coming up, you might have forgotten there is a climate conference going on.

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>> we are missing all the fun because the u.n. annual climate meeting kicked off in azerbaijan and the green scene is showcasing the usual crackpot ideas. put around by blowhards that claim they are committed to saving the planet. >> we envision a world where women and girls and all diversity are finally recognized and supported as agents of change can catalyst of transformative climate action. >> laura: but there real goal? they want to control your life including what's on your menu. >> because the first impact of the meat tax is that people eat less meat and yes, it will make food a little bit more expensive

>> if cereals were used for direct human consumption instead of animal feed tech and asked her 3.5 billion people would be fed. >> the conferences thereafter can only be successful if the closing statement includes transitioning away from animal protein overconsumption. >> laura: all do that right after you get a comb. you can eat as many crickets as you want. >> pound for pound, some species of insects produce far fewer greenhouse gas emissions and require far less water and land to raise than some conventional livestock. insects are also very efficient at converting what they eat into body mass. that is high quality food for us. >> laura: that's another reason just to thank the good lord that trump one because we will not be participating in any of this nonsense any time soon. and the democrats are crying tears of tofu. >> for those of us dedicated to climate action, last week shall come in the united states is obviously bitterly disappointed.

>> the u.s. is more of a problem than helping in any solution. this will get worse under trump. we have seen it in his first presidency. >> laura: joining us now is alec epstein, founder of the center for industrial progress. now none of this insanity that they talk about is going to be cheap. check this out. >> the burning issue here is a fourth climate finance to make a rapid clean energy transition and adjust and adapt to climate change. the biden administration should support unambitious goal on the order of 1 trillion annually low-interest loans. >> laura: alex, $1 trillion annually! sure we have that, more like $35 trillion in debt, with another trillion among friends? >> yes, the basic idea is what they call climate reparations is the idea that the u.s. and others have ruined the world of fossil fuels and so we have to pay $1 trillion a year to make up for it which, by the way, of the u.s. paid that that's ebony

$700 per household per year. but the truth is that fossil fuels have made the world better and the u.s. using fossil fuels has made the world better, that's what we have higher life expectancy than ever, higher prosperity than ever and, at this, lower climate related deaths than ever. the disaster death rate has gone down 98% over the last century because we have such a prosperous and resilient world. if anything they should give us a thank you, not demanding reparations. >> laura: they also talked about wanting the whole country to be like california. >> we're working on policy at speed and scale, aligned with the science and getting to our 100% renewable goals for the global community. what happens in california influences the rest of the united states. >> laura: that's why everyone is leaving california. so what happened at the rest of the country actually -- >> i live in california! >> laura: sorry but a lot of people are leaving because it is too expensive. it's beautiful but it's too expensive and too much regulations.

>> yes. they are ruining it. it's important that the goal of this conference is net zero which means rapidly eliminating fossil fuels. california has not even come close to that and already we are ruining our economy and ruining our grid. it is very common now, after gavin newsom banned internal combustion engines or announce that, six days later he said guess what, we don't have enough electricity to charge or ev so california is a total energy failure just doing a fraction of this agenda. we need to reverse course and unleash american energy. >> laura: trump is just all about that. they are going to come after these california mandates on a federal level and i think virginia, which also has the same similar mandate for getting rid of gas-powered cars, all of that is going to be on the chopping block for trump. and i think that is great news for people who want freedom of choice. there we say they are pro-choice but they are not really pro-choice, they want to eliminate cars, that's what they love the 15 minute cities and

that's why nbc, several places where it used to be two lanes, now there is one lane and a very busy part of the city, all over the city it is like that, a limiting entire lanes for automobiles and it makes life in the city really difficult. but they like that. >> people like to control your lives and like the idea that fossil fuels are this evil that we have to strangle everyone over, but, yes,, president trump has talked about unleashing american energy. that is a great expression, i hope he picks the people who will do the best job at that. if we unleash american energy, we will be far more secure and prosperous. >> laura: and also a lot of people will be happier and more healthy in the end. alex, think you so much. that is it for us tonight, there's always a lot of news in our hour now, i love it. thanks for watching, remember america now and forever, jesse is up next. >> jesse: welcome to "jesse watters primetime". tonight... >> politics is tough. in